Mystery Creature in Maryland and it's not BV

[Ka30P]

Cut and paste to see picture
http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
&dppid=68757

Mystery Creature Lurks In Baltimore County

GLYNDON, Md. -- A mystery animal is on the loose in Baltimore County and not
even the experts can pin down what it is.
A Glyndon man found a way to secretly record the beast while it grazed in his
yard. For a while it was just lurking in the woods watching the Wroe family
until the Wroes started watching it.
Jay Wroe: "My truck was parked here, started getting in my truck. I kind of
saw it there where the sunlight is and said what in the world is that?"
Jacob Wroe: "It looked so weird to me. I didn't know what it was."
Wanting to get a better look at the beast stalking his family, Jay Wroe put
technology to work for him.
Jay Wroe: "The next day, I hooked up just portable motion detectors, and put
them down back in the woods there."
The trap worked.
Jay Wroe: "Very bizarre. I went and got my father and cousin and they came and
looked at it and their reactions were pretty much the same -- what in the world
are we looking at?"

More than a month after the first sighting, the creature has become a
neighborhood regular and showing up often.
Kim Carlsen: "It comes to our house. It's been up in the woods for a while and
it comes up through the bottom of our yard and eats our cat food."
Despite the fact it's lurking in these woods and no one knows when or where it
will come out, no one here seems afraid of it.
Jacob Wroe: "I don't know, it doesn't look like it's going to harm anybody."
Even the other neighborhood animals like Bullwinkle the dog next door seem okay
with the beast.
Kim Carlsen: "It's not afraid of the cats and the cats seem to get along with
it fine."
The beast is not shy, and visits most often under bright sun. While no one here
knows what it is, they do have a name for it -- the hyote, a combination of a
hyena and a coyote.


kathy :-)
algae primer
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[Granny Grump]

What an oddity!

[Nedra]

It looks like one of those Australian animals... Think it could be a
mutant?

Nedra
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Granny Grump" > wrote in message
...
> What an oddity!

[~ Windsong ~]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Cut and paste to see picture
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> &dppid=68757
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It looks like a dog with a severe case of mange. I remember seeing a large
dog years ago in NYC with most of it's coat gone. All it had left was hair
on it's head and a strip along it's back and tail.

--
Carol....
"I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most
people die of natural causes."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Nedra" > wrote in message
. net...
> It looks like one of those Australian animals... Think it could be a
> mutant?
====================
A dingo? Yes. But this animal looks furless or hairless in those areas
that are very smooth.
--
Carol....
"I used to eat a lot of natural foods until I learned that most
people die of natural causes."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[George]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Cut and paste to see picture
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> &dppid=68757
>
> Mystery Creature Lurks In Baltimore County

Very strange, indeed. It does kind of look like a hyena, but I agree with
others here that it could be a feral dog, possibly with the mange.

[Pond Diver]

Hyenas are not related to dogs. And therefore can not have offspring.
Even if they liked each other ... a lot :-P LOL Hyenas are in the
Hyaenidae family and are more closely related to a mongoose than a dog
(Canidae).

Personally, I think its a feral dog with a really bad case of the mange or
some other skin ailment. Its either that or someone's cruel joke. Either
way that poor animal probably won't survive winter. Hell it could even be a
hyena with a really bad hair day. But it isn't a cross for sure.

--
Pond Diver




"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Cut and paste to see picture
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> &dppid=68757
>
> Mystery Creature Lurks In Baltimore County
>
> GLYNDON, Md. -- A mystery animal is on the loose in Baltimore County and
not
> even the experts can pin down what it is.
> A Glyndon man found a way to secretly record the beast while it grazed in
his
> yard. For a while it was just lurking in the woods watching the Wroe
family
> until the Wroes started watching it.
> Jay Wroe: "My truck was parked here, started getting in my truck. I kind
of
> saw it there where the sunlight is and said what in the world is that?"
> Jacob Wroe: "It looked so weird to me. I didn't know what it was."
> Wanting to get a better look at the beast stalking his family, Jay Wroe
put
> technology to work for him.
> Jay Wroe: "The next day, I hooked up just portable motion detectors, and
put
> them down back in the woods there."
> The trap worked.
> Jay Wroe: "Very bizarre. I went and got my father and cousin and they came
and
> looked at it and their reactions were pretty much the same -- what in the
world
> are we looking at?"
>
> More than a month after the first sighting, the creature has become a
> neighborhood regular and showing up often.
> Kim Carlsen: "It comes to our house. It's been up in the woods for a while
and
> it comes up through the bottom of our yard and eats our cat food."
> Despite the fact it's lurking in these woods and no one knows when or
where it
> will come out, no one here seems afraid of it.
> Jacob Wroe: "I don't know, it doesn't look like it's going to harm
anybody."
> Even the other neighborhood animals like Bullwinkle the dog next door seem
okay
> with the beast.
> Kim Carlsen: "It's not afraid of the cats and the cats seem to get along
with
> it fine."
> The beast is not shy, and visits most often under bright sun. While no one
here
> knows what it is, they do have a name for it -- the hyote, a combination
of a
> hyena and a coyote.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> algae primer
> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Cichlidiot]

Ka30P > wrote:
> Cut and paste to see picture
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> &dppid=68757

Very poor pictures from the article, but I wouldn't discount the
possibility of it being an exotic. With the state of exotic animal
smuggling these days, it's entirely possible that it's an escapee from
some illegal situation. Thus the "owners" would not report it missing (as
a zoo would if an animal went missing from an exhibit). I remember seeing
a story in Florida about some large "mystery monster" that turned out to
be a large reptile (and by large I mean several feet in length) and
several of its smaller friends that escaped from an exotic reptile
importer down the road. That importer was legal, but known to authorities
for having escaped reptiles due to shoddy cages.

I'm sure if they actually got an expert out there, they could figure out
what the animal is quite rapidly. Those pictures are really too poor to do
anything but speculate. Even the mange theory is just that, because you
can't really see the skin well enough to see if it has a skin disorder,
just that a mane is sometimes seen in advanced mange cases. An in person
sighting by an expert would likely clear the matter up quickly. I'm
willing to bet the news station nor the neighborhood authorities have
bothered yet because they don't feel threatened by the animal. Proclaiming
"oddity spotted" gets a lot more attention than "authorities find animal
with severe mange" or "authorities find exotic animal running loose" from
the news perspective anyways.

[Cichlidiot]

Ka30P > wrote:
> Cut and paste to see picture
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> &dppid=68757

Just found this followup story:

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3558698/detail.html

Saddest part of that is the quote from the wildlife authorities that make
it clear they aren't even going to attempt to help the animal(s) (assuming
it is mange the animal(s) have). Public safety aside, what about the
welfare of the animal(s)? Letting a mangy animal run around is not kind
for the animal and not a good public health thing either for the domestic
animals in the neighborhood. Letting an exotic animal run around isn't
that good either IMO since it's very likely weather changes will be
detrimental for the animal or it will not have the proper dietary
conditions.

[Robyn Rhudy]

I live in MD and saw the video and photos on TV of two sightings, a year
apart, possibly two different animals. But, the local animal experts
agree it's just a poor dog with mange. It does indeed look weird though
(and most of you didn't see the video). Of course, they've come up with
all sorts of weird things that it could be which are ridiculous! The news
only quickly mentioned the experts opinion and then went on to all sorts
of strange things locals thought. I agree the dog should be caught and
treated.


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[Crashj]

Robyn Rhudy > wrote in message .edu>...
> I live in MD and saw the video and photos on TV of two sightings, a year
> apart, possibly two different animals. But, the local animal experts
> agree it's just a poor dog with mange.

Similar animal was spotted and photographed in North Carolina last
year. The general conclusion is it is some kind of canidae with a bad
skin condition.

"Oh Canidae!"
--
Crashj

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> It looks like a dog with a severe case of mange. I remember seeing a
large
> dog years ago in NYC with most of it's coat gone. All it had left was
hair
> on it's head and a strip along it's back and tail.
<snip>

That was my take on it, although the shorter front legs and the shape of the
head make it look very much like a Hyena. I would not put it past some idiot
to grab a pup while on vacation in Africa and bring it home.

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> Very poor pictures from the article, but I wouldn't discount the
> possibility of it being an exotic. With the state of exotic animal
> smuggling these days, it's entirely possible that it's an escapee from
> some illegal situation. Thus the "owners" would not report it missing (as
> a zoo would if an animal went missing from an exhibit). I remember seeing
> a story in Florida about some large "mystery monster" that turned out to
> be a large reptile (and by large I mean several feet in length) and
> several of its smaller friends that escaped from an exotic reptile
> importer down the road. That importer was legal, but known to authorities
> for having escaped reptiles due to shoddy cages.
<snip>

There was a case like this in a place called Island Heights in NJ, when I
was growing up. There was a mystery critter in the river eating things.
Myself and a "friend" were at the local make out spot down by the river one
evening, discussing politics and the world economy, etc., when some ducks
swam bye. As they did, one disapeared under the water in a splash. A few
moments later a large lizard, almost croc sized, surface with the duck
hanging out his mouth.

Turns out someone's pet lizard something had gotten loose, and they were
afraid to report it.

BV.

[WilsonKKW]

I live in Maryland and saw on news that it is a dog with mange, another turned
up in Harford County==Kathy

[Just Me \Koi\]

Phew! What a relief when I saw the picture! Thought it was going to be a
picture of me and my family, having just been in Baltimore for vacation!

Don't touch the subject BV! Let it be!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Cut and paste to see picture
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> &dppid=68757
>
> Mystery Creature Lurks In Baltimore County
>
> GLYNDON, Md. -- A mystery animal is on the loose in Baltimore County and
not
> even the experts can pin down what it is.
> A Glyndon man found a way to secretly record the beast while it grazed in
his
> yard. For a while it was just lurking in the woods watching the Wroe
family
> until the Wroes started watching it.
> Jay Wroe: "My truck was parked here, started getting in my truck. I kind
of
> saw it there where the sunlight is and said what in the world is that?"
> Jacob Wroe: "It looked so weird to me. I didn't know what it was."
> Wanting to get a better look at the beast stalking his family, Jay Wroe
put
> technology to work for him.
> Jay Wroe: "The next day, I hooked up just portable motion detectors, and
put
> them down back in the woods there."
> The trap worked.
> Jay Wroe: "Very bizarre. I went and got my father and cousin and they came
and
> looked at it and their reactions were pretty much the same -- what in the
world
> are we looking at?"
>
> More than a month after the first sighting, the creature has become a
> neighborhood regular and showing up often.
> Kim Carlsen: "It comes to our house. It's been up in the woods for a while
and
> it comes up through the bottom of our yard and eats our cat food."
> Despite the fact it's lurking in these woods and no one knows when or
where it
> will come out, no one here seems afraid of it.
> Jacob Wroe: "I don't know, it doesn't look like it's going to harm
anybody."
> Even the other neighborhood animals like Bullwinkle the dog next door seem
okay
> with the beast.
> Kim Carlsen: "It's not afraid of the cats and the cats seem to get along
with
> it fine."
> The beast is not shy, and visits most often under bright sun. While no one
here
> knows what it is, they do have a name for it -- the hyote, a combination
of a
> hyena and a coyote.
>
>
> kathy :-)
> algae primer
> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[~ Windsong ~]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
> > It looks like a dog with a severe case of mange. I remember seeing a
> large
> > dog years ago in NYC with most of it's coat gone. All it had left was
> hair
> > on it's head and a strip along it's back and tail.
> <snip>
>
> That was my take on it, although the shorter front legs and the shape of
the
> head make it look very much like a Hyena. I would not put it past some
idiot
> to grab a pup while on vacation in Africa and bring it home.
>
> BV.
======================
Yes, that is possible, but I don't think it's a Hyena.
--
Carol....
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[George]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> <snip>
>> > It looks like a dog with a severe case of mange. I remember seeing a
>> large
>> > dog years ago in NYC with most of it's coat gone. All it had left was
>> hair
>> > on it's head and a strip along it's back and tail.
>> <snip>
>>
>> That was my take on it, although the shorter front legs and the shape of
> the
>> head make it look very much like a Hyena. I would not put it past some
> idiot
>> to grab a pup while on vacation in Africa and bring it home.
>>
>> BV.
> ======================
> Yes, that is possible, but I don't think it's a Hyena.
> --
> Carol....
> ~~<~~<~~{@
> "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
> http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>

This is what a Hyena looks like:

http://www.wildlife-pictures-online.com/image-files/hyenakp05.jpg

What is on that video is definitely not a hyena.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
...
> Ka30P > wrote:
> > Cut and paste to see picture
> >
http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> > &dppid=68757
>
> Just found this followup story:
>
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3558698/detail.html
>
> Saddest part of that is the quote from the wildlife authorities that make
> it clear they aren't even going to attempt to help the animal(s) (assuming
> it is mange the animal(s) have). Public safety aside, what about the
> welfare of the animal(s)? Letting a mangy animal run around is not kind
> for the animal and not a good public health thing either for the domestic
> animals in the neighborhood. Letting an exotic animal run around isn't
> that good either IMO since it's very likely weather changes will be
> detrimental for the animal or it will not have the proper dietary
> conditions.

I am starting to doubt this story a bit. I've read that people say the
animal is friendly and often comes out during the day. One person reported
even her cat seemed Ok around the animal. If this is such a happy, go lucky,
daylight animal why are all the pictures so ET like? I mean if it's in your
garden eat mato's with the cat, take a freakin' clear picture.

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Phew! What a relief when I saw the picture! Thought it was going to be a
> picture of me and my family, having just been in Baltimore for vacation!
>
> Don't touch the subject BV! Let it be!
<snip>

Lettuce not forget the animal slain in Texas that is unidentified. And that
huge Hog in Georgia. I think there was an alien ship that crashed, and some
specicies got loose. We're in trouble. Just wait to see what shows up in
your pond.

BV.

[AngieB]

On 7/29/04 8:54 AM, in article , "Benign
Vanilla" > wrote:

>
> "Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ka30P > wrote:
>>> Cut and paste to see picture
>>>
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
>>> &dppid=68757
>>
>> Just found this followup story:
>>
>> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3558698/detail.html
>>
>> Saddest part of that is the quote from the wildlife authorities that make
>> it clear they aren't even going to attempt to help the animal(s) (assuming
>> it is mange the animal(s) have). Public safety aside, what about the
>> welfare of the animal(s)? Letting a mangy animal run around is not kind
>> for the animal and not a good public health thing either for the domestic
>> animals in the neighborhood. Letting an exotic animal run around isn't
>> that good either IMO since it's very likely weather changes will be
>> detrimental for the animal or it will not have the proper dietary
>> conditions.
>
> I am starting to doubt this story a bit. I've read that people say the
> animal is friendly and often comes out during the day. One person reported
> even her cat seemed Ok around the animal. If this is such a happy, go lucky,
> daylight animal why are all the pictures so ET like? I mean if it's in your
> garden eat mato's with the cat, take a freakin' clear picture.
>
> BV.
>
>

So what is this that a rancher in Texas killed?
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE91F84-A264-4AC3-8EA4
-9097690CDEFC

Weird wild stuff.

[Benign Vanilla]

"AngieB" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> So what is this that a rancher in Texas killed?
>
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE91F84-A264-4AC3-8EA4
> -9097690CDEFC

Above URL tiny'ed...http://tinyurl.com/6ax3t

It's a chupacabra, http://skepdic.com/chupa.html.

On a side note, I just started watching a mini-series called Dead Like Me, I
think on Show time. They have critters in their show that look just like the
chupa thing. Anyone seen that?

BV.

[George]

"AngieB" > wrote in message
...
> On 7/29/04 8:54 AM, in article , "Benign
> Vanilla" > wrote:
>
>>
>> "Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Ka30P > wrote:
>>>> Cut and paste to see picture
>>>>
>> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
>>>> &dppid=68757
>>>
>>> Just found this followup story:
>>>
>>> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3558698/detail.html
>>>
>>> Saddest part of that is the quote from the wildlife authorities that make
>>> it clear they aren't even going to attempt to help the animal(s) (assuming
>>> it is mange the animal(s) have). Public safety aside, what about the
>>> welfare of the animal(s)? Letting a mangy animal run around is not kind
>>> for the animal and not a good public health thing either for the domestic
>>> animals in the neighborhood. Letting an exotic animal run around isn't
>>> that good either IMO since it's very likely weather changes will be
>>> detrimental for the animal or it will not have the proper dietary
>>> conditions.
>>
>> I am starting to doubt this story a bit. I've read that people say the
>> animal is friendly and often comes out during the day. One person reported
>> even her cat seemed Ok around the animal. If this is such a happy, go lucky,
>> daylight animal why are all the pictures so ET like? I mean if it's in your
>> garden eat mato's with the cat, take a freakin' clear picture.
>>
>> BV.
>>
>>
>
> So what is this that a rancher in Texas killed?
> http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE91F84-A264-4AC3-8EA4
> -9097690CDEFC
>
> Weird wild stuff.
>

If you think that is odd, take a gander at this one:

http://skepdic.com/chupa.html

Don't forget to laugh while you are scratching your head.

[George]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "AngieB" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>> So what is this that a rancher in Texas killed?
>>
> http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE91F84-A264-4AC3-8EA4
>> -9097690CDEFC
>
> Above URL tiny'ed...http://tinyurl.com/6ax3t
>
> It's a chupacabra, http://skepdic.com/chupa.html.
>
> On a side note, I just started watching a mini-series called Dead Like Me, I
> think on Show time. They have critters in their show that look just like the
> chupa thing. Anyone seen that?
>
> BV.
>

Oops, I just posted the same link. I should have read your reply first.
Honestly though, it is easy to go overboard with a thing like this. In the
Maryland case, it could just be a small dog who's owner didn't know how to use
clippers, and dumped it to save face with his friends! lol. In the San Antonio
case, it was seen eating Mulberries: Hardly what I would call a viscious eating
habit, despite the ranchers claim that it ate his livestock (how would such a
creature of about 20 lbs weight be able to eat 35 chickens on one day?). If it
does eat meat, then the fact that it also likes mulberries indicates that it is
an omnivore, an opportunistic feeder, not unlike dogs, or even even foxes
(although they are classified as carniverous, foxes will eat just about anything
you give them that they find tasty). I have two mulberry trees, and when they
bear fruit, my dog loves to eat them when they fall to the ground. And in the
Maryland film, we see an apparently docile animal that doesn't look threatening
in any way. It appeared to be rooting for grubs or other insects. If it was
aggresive, or a wild animal,surely it would have confronted the amateur
cameraman in some way, or simply ran away in fear. If it is wild, the fact that
it has been eating cat food off of a porch indicates that it is probably
habituated to people.

One thing I feel very strongly about, and that is that whatever this animal is,
it didn't come from Apha Centauri, or a CIA lab. As we have seen in the past
three years or so, the CIA just aren't living up to the reputation that some
have assigned to it. And I doubt that many Centauris would have wasted precious
cargo space to let loose a strange animal just to bewilder us humans. :-) It
is a shame that the Maryland Fish and Wildlife folks didn't have more interest
in it to try to figure out what it is. As a result, it will no doubt become
something of a local legend.

[Gail Futoran]

"Benign Vanilla" >
wrote in message ...
>
> "AngieB" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
> > So what is this that a rancher in Texas killed?
> >
>
http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE91F84-A264-4AC3-8EA4
> > -9097690CDEFC

I saw that on the news last night. Weird. I'm
guessing it's probably a small coyote with
mange (but what do I know about dog
diseases? nada).

> Above URL tiny'ed...http://tinyurl.com/6ax3t
>
> It's a chupacabra, http://skepdic.com/chupa.html.

Yeah, right. :)

> On a side note, I just started watching a mini-series
called Dead Like Me, I
> think on Show time. They have critters in their show that
look just like the
> chupa thing. Anyone seen that?

You betcha! It's one of the few shows both of
us (me and DH) really enjoy. Shows like Dead
Like Me justify the ridiculous monthly payment
to Dish Network to get Showtime. (It's not just
Dish, of course, but all such providers.)

Gail
in good ol' superstitious Texas
[yeah, I know, people are superstitious
everywhere, it just seems so ... overt ...
here. <g>]

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Cut and paste to see picture
> http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> &dppid=68757
>
> Mystery Creature Lurks In Baltimore County
>
> GLYNDON, Md. -- A mystery animal is on the loose in Baltimore County and
not
> even the experts can pin down what it is.
<snip>

OK, this thread just got funnier...

My wife just IM'ed me asking for pictures of the mystery creature. We live
in MD, but not near the original siting. Our neighbor across the street,
just saw what she believes to be the mystery creature run into our yard. So
it appears BV, may be involved in this scandal.

I am telling you, it's the aliens.

BV.

[Ka30P]

BV wrote >>Our neighbor across the street,
just saw what she believes to be the mystery creature run into our yard.<<

AK! Either that or one of those rats ate ALL the birdseed!


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Cichlidiot]

Benign Vanilla > wrote:

> "AngieB" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>> So what is this that a rancher in Texas killed?
>>
> http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE91F84-A264-4AC3-8EA4
>> -9097690CDEFC

> Above URL tiny'ed...http://tinyurl.com/6ax3t

> It's a chupacabra, http://skepdic.com/chupa.html.

> On a side note, I just started watching a mini-series called Dead Like Me, I
> think on Show time. They have critters in their show that look just like the
> chupa thing. Anyone seen that?

The chupacabra is not really a good identifier even in mythological sense
because the term seems to be a catch-all phrase for any strange looking
thing that happened to kill some livestock or menance some people. Kinda
like calling it the "boogieman". That being said, let us not discount the
fact that something unknown may be out there. There seems to be a common
belief among modern people that if science hasn't discovered it, it
doesn't exist. This seems to be tied in with the notion that if the native
people describe an animal unknown to science, it must be mythological.
Both are fallacies. Take the coalecanth as an example. Science thought it
extinct until the early 1900s when a western happened to see it amongst
the fishing catch in Africa. The fish had been well known to the natives
for a long while, but "extinct" to science. There was also another case
where the scientist did not believe the native hunters until they brought
him a corpse or hide, but I cannot remember the animal in that case.

In this case, I think the farmer has the right idea. Give the carcass to
scientists to perform DNA and morphological testing. Could just be a
mutant dog (hairlessness pops up randomly here and there in dogs and
cats). Dogs certainly do have a variety of appearances. There's that one
minature dog that resembles a teddy bear that makes all those calendars
and such. That's certainly a wierd looking dog and it's mostly a fur
mutatation.

As for the Maryland animal, I still say for the health of domestic
animals, they should trap it if they think it's mange. Better that than
have it spread the mange mites to lord knows how many cats and dogs since
it is reported to be so friendly to them. I bet vets will see an increased
number of mange cases in the area if the animal is left to roam loose and
it does have mange.

[George]

"Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
...
> Benign Vanilla > wrote:
>
>> "AngieB" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> <snip>
>>> So what is this that a rancher in Texas killed?
>>>
>> http://www.woai.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=FAE91F84-A264-4AC3-8EA4
>>> -9097690CDEFC
>
>> Above URL tiny'ed...http://tinyurl.com/6ax3t
>
>> It's a chupacabra, http://skepdic.com/chupa.html.
>
>> On a side note, I just started watching a mini-series called Dead Like Me, I
>> think on Show time. They have critters in their show that look just like the
>> chupa thing. Anyone seen that?
>
> The chupacabra is not really a good identifier even in mythological sense
> because the term seems to be a catch-all phrase for any strange looking
> thing that happened to kill some livestock or menance some people. Kinda
> like calling it the "boogieman". That being said, let us not discount the
> fact that something unknown may be out there. There seems to be a common
> belief among modern people that if science hasn't discovered it, it
> doesn't exist. This seems to be tied in with the notion that if the native
> people describe an animal unknown to science, it must be mythological.
> Both are fallacies. Take the coalecanth as an example. Science thought it
> extinct until the early 1900s when a western happened to see it amongst
> the fishing catch in Africa. The fish had been well known to the natives
> for a long while, but "extinct" to science. There was also another case
> where the scientist did not believe the native hunters until they brought
> him a corpse or hide, but I cannot remember the animal in that case.

Actually, I believe that it was first re-discovered off the coast of Madagascar
in the 1938-39 when it was found in the net of a fisherman, It was already dead
by the time a scientist had the opportunity to examine it. It has now been
filmed alive in it's natural environment. A fossil coelecanth was found in
South Indiana a few years ago by a friend of mine. It was over 300 million
years old. Here is an interesting link:

http://www.enn.com/features/1999/12/121099/fossil_7406.asp

> In this case, I think the farmer has the right idea. Give the carcass to
> scientists to perform DNA and morphological testing. Could just be a
> mutant dog (hairlessness pops up randomly here and there in dogs and
> cats). Dogs certainly do have a variety of appearances. There's that one
> minature dog that resembles a teddy bear that makes all those calendars
> and such. That's certainly a wierd looking dog and it's mostly a fur
> mutatation.
>
> As for the Maryland animal, I still say for the health of domestic
> animals, they should trap it if they think it's mange. Better that than
> have it spread the mange mites to lord knows how many cats and dogs since
> it is reported to be so friendly to them. I bet vets will see an increased
> number of mange cases in the area if the animal is left to roam loose and
> it does have mange.

[Just Me \Koi\]

BV,
6 bottles of beer a night maximum!

--
_______________________________________
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like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ka30P" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Cut and paste to see picture
> >
http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/3545312/detail.html?z=dp&dpswid=1946268
> > &dppid=68757
> >
> > Mystery Creature Lurks In Baltimore County
> >
> > GLYNDON, Md. -- A mystery animal is on the loose in Baltimore County and
> not
> > even the experts can pin down what it is.
> <snip>
>
> OK, this thread just got funnier...
>
> My wife just IM'ed me asking for pictures of the mystery creature. We live
> in MD, but not near the original siting. Our neighbor across the street,
> just saw what she believes to be the mystery creature run into our yard.
So
> it appears BV, may be involved in this scandal.
>
> I am telling you, it's the aliens.
>
> BV.
>
>

[Cichlidiot]

George > wrote:

> "Cichlidiot" > wrote in message
<snip>
>> Both are fallacies. Take the coalecanth as an example. Science thought it
>> extinct until the early 1900s when a western happened to see it amongst
>> the fishing catch in Africa. The fish had been well known to the natives
>> for a long while, but "extinct" to science. There was also another case
>> where the scientist did not believe the native hunters until they brought
>> him a corpse or hide, but I cannot remember the animal in that case.

> Actually, I believe that it was first re-discovered off the coast of Madagascar
> in the 1938-39 when it was found in the net of a fisherman, It was already dead
> by the time a scientist had the opportunity to examine it. It has now been
> filmed alive in it's natural environment. A fossil coelecanth was found in
> South Indiana a few years ago by a friend of mine. It was over 300 million
> years old. Here is an interesting link:

> http://www.enn.com/features/1999/12/121099/fossil_7406.asp

That was the event to which I was referring. By "early 1900s" I meant the
first half of that century, not the years 1900-1909. I did not have the
time when I was writing that post to search for the exact dates. The
fishing catch was hauled into a dock in South Africa, although the living
colonies are actually off the coast of the Comoros islands, which lay
between Africa and Madagascar. The following website has a lot of
information about the coelacanths, including dive photos of their natural
habitat:

http://www.dinofish.com

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> BV wrote >>Our neighbor across the street,
> just saw what she believes to be the mystery creature run into our yard.<<
>
> AK! Either that or one of those rats ate ALL the birdseed!

That's my fear, although our...I mean...my friends neighbors rats seem to
have disapeared from the our...I mean...his neighborhood. Anyway, our
neighbor called to say she say a small dog sized animal that was partially
hairless run between my yard and the next door neighbors yard. I am
beginning to wonder if there is a bit of hysteria, or there is some disease
attacking the fox population in MD. We have a family of foxes in our
neighborhood and this year they have not been very noisy or active. I would
not be surprised to find out that they were sick. That would suck.

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> BV,
> 6 bottles of beer a night maximum!
<snip>

Thanks for not specifying the size of the bottle :)

BV.

[Just Me \Koi\]

Darn, you are an attorney at heart!

--
_______________________________________
"The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
> ...
> > BV,
> > 6 bottles of beer a night maximum!
> <snip>
>
> Thanks for not specifying the size of the bottle :)
>
> BV.
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> Darn, you are an attorney at heart!
<snip>

I object the badger is counseling the witness!!!

BV.