Pond Salt

[ciel]

Hi Guys

I have a dilemma
I want to use some salt in my pond BUT.......

All my local suppliers ie: Aquatics Centres have a product PDV (pure Dried
Vacuum) Salt
This has Anti Caking agent E535 (Sodium ferrocyanide)
They are ALL totally adamant and swear they have used this product for 20+
years with no problems
Several of these suppliers have Very large stocks of BIG Koi in ponds with
this salt added..
BUT According to several web sites I have looked at ie: www.puregold etc
They say NO to this additive as it turns to Cyanide when used........


What should I do?

Chris

[George]

"ciel" > wrote in message
k...
> Hi Guys
>
> I have a dilemma
> I want to use some salt in my pond BUT.......
>
> All my local suppliers ie: Aquatics Centres have a product PDV (pure Dried
> Vacuum) Salt
> This has Anti Caking agent E535 (Sodium ferrocyanide)
> They are ALL totally adamant and swear they have used this product for 20+
> years with no problems
> Several of these suppliers have Very large stocks of BIG Koi in ponds with
> this salt added..
> BUT According to several web sites I have looked at ie: www.puregold etc
> They say NO to this additive as it turns to Cyanide when used........
>
>
> What should I do?
>
> Chris
>

If in doubt, don't use it. I've nerver heard of using this product for live
garden ponds. If anyone else has any experience with it, please speak up. I
use about a half a cup of sea salt, and about a half a cup of epsom salt. I add
it after every other addition of water (about once a month), after which I check
the water quality.

[Bonnie]

ciel wrote:
> Hi Guys
>
> I have a dilemma
> I want to use some salt in my pond BUT.......
>
> What should I do?
>
> Chris
>
Many of us use Solar Salt Pellets from Home Depot or Lowe's.
It does the job of salt and the price is very inexpensive.


--
Bonnie
NJ

[REBEL JOE]

go to wal-mart and get pickling salt its cheap It comes in a green box.



http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:42:58 GMT, "ciel" > wrote:

>I have a dilemma
>I want to use some salt in my pond BUT.......
>All my local suppliers ie: Aquatics Centres have a product PDV (pure Dried
>Vacuum) Salt
>This has Anti Caking agent E535 (Sodium ferrocyanide)

Our resident chemist who use to post here: Rod Farlee wrote:

YPS (yellow prussiate of soda, sodium ferrocyanide) is a common
anti-caking additive in granulated table salt. Morton's has it, so "when
it rains, it still pours". It is potentially toxic to fish.

Table salt may contain up to 13 ppm YPS, and does not have to be
listed on the label, per FDA regulation (21 CFR 172.490).

When exposed to sunlight, ultraviolet light rapidly photolyzes YPS to
free cyanide. US EPA lists cyanide as toxic to fish at 0.022 ppm
(acute toxicity) to 0.005 ppm (chronic toxicity, "96 hr LC50" means it
kills half the fish in 3 days). Fortunately, cyanide isn't persistent; it
evaporates readily and bacteria can destroy it.

At the oft-recommended 0.1% salinity, salt with 13 ppm YPS would
put 0.013 ppm YPS in the pond, which could photolyze to 0.0044 ppm
HCN, which is near the toxic level.

If higher salinities were needed for disease treatment, cyanide could
exceed toxic levels.

If, on the other hand, lower salinities were used (e.g. 100 ppm for
prevention of nitrite toxicity), the low cyanide level would not be of
concern.

I use solar salt crystals, coarse 1/4 to 1/2 inch in size. It doesn't seem
to contain YPS (humidity causes it to fuse into a lump, which I break up
with a hammer or boot). An 80 pound bag was $6 on sale at Lowe's.
- Rod

Personally, I get Morton's water softener salt in the blue bag without
conditioners, 99.9% pure I think it says on it, no anti-caking chemicals
and only ~$4/40 lbs. ~ jan


(Do you know where your water quality is?)

[[email protected]]

forget that stuff. get plain old 100% rock salt CRYSTALS not sea salt... in plastic
bags meant for water softening. it is cheap and great. Ingrid

"ciel" > wrote:

>Hi Guys
>
>I have a dilemma
>I want to use some salt in my pond BUT.......
>
>All my local suppliers ie: Aquatics Centres have a product PDV (pure Dried
>Vacuum) Salt
>This has Anti Caking agent E535 (Sodium ferrocyanide)
>They are ALL totally adamant and swear they have used this product for 20+
>years with no problems
>Several of these suppliers have Very large stocks of BIG Koi in ponds with
>this salt added..
>BUT According to several web sites I have looked at ie: www.puregold etc
>They say NO to this additive as it turns to Cyanide when used........
>
>
>What should I do?
>
>Chris
>



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Tom L. La Bron]

Bonnie,

Let me throw this into the works. Solar salt only
means that it has used the sun energy to concentrate
the salt. I used to live in front of salt evap ponds
that were being used to concentrate the sea salts in to
brine water requiring less expenditure of energy for
making the final product. Just because it is solar
salt, that has nothing to do with anti caking materials
and I should point out that since the salt you are
talking about is not meant for human consumption prese,
the makers/packagers of the salt are not required by
law to list additives at all.

Have you ever thought how or why that these salts do
not seem to cake together when you are pouring it out
of its paper bag?

Just thought you would like to know.

Tom L.L.
---------------------------------
Bonnie wrote:

> ciel wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys
>>
>> I have a dilemma
>> I want to use some salt in my pond BUT.......
>>
>> What should I do?
>>
>> Chris
>>
> Many of us use Solar Salt Pellets from Home Depot or Lowe's.
> It does the job of salt and the price is very inexpensive.
>
>

[Tom L. La Bron]

Chris,

In pickling salts you will find no anti-caking
materials, because they interfere with the pickling
process. In some stores it comes in a grayish bag. In
any event, just look for pickling salt. Some stores
have all the canning items in one area and you will
sometimes find the pickling salt there in that area.

Tom L.L.
-----------------------------------

REBEL JOE wrote:

> go to wal-mart and get pickling salt its cheap It comes in a green box.
>
>
>
> http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND
>

[Tom L. La Bron]

Jan,

Rod really doesn't know what he is talking about when
he refers to Morton, because Morton has not used YPS
since the late 1940's. I asked Morton, so I know.

Tom L.L.
----------------------------------------------------
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

>>On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:42:58 GMT, "ciel" > wrote:
>
>
>>I have a dilemma
>>I want to use some salt in my pond BUT.......
>>All my local suppliers ie: Aquatics Centres have a product PDV (pure Dried
>>Vacuum) Salt
>>This has Anti Caking agent E535 (Sodium ferrocyanide)
>
>
> Our resident chemist who use to post here: Rod Farlee wrote:
>
> YPS (yellow prussiate of soda, sodium ferrocyanide) is a common
> anti-caking additive in granulated table salt. Morton's has it, so "when
> it rains, it still pours". It is potentially toxic to fish.
>
> Table salt may contain up to 13 ppm YPS, and does not have to be
> listed on the label, per FDA regulation (21 CFR 172.490).
>
> When exposed to sunlight, ultraviolet light rapidly photolyzes YPS to
> free cyanide. US EPA lists cyanide as toxic to fish at 0.022 ppm
> (acute toxicity) to 0.005 ppm (chronic toxicity, "96 hr LC50" means it
> kills half the fish in 3 days). Fortunately, cyanide isn't persistent; it
> evaporates readily and bacteria can destroy it.
>
> At the oft-recommended 0.1% salinity, salt with 13 ppm YPS would
> put 0.013 ppm YPS in the pond, which could photolyze to 0.0044 ppm
> HCN, which is near the toxic level.
>
> If higher salinities were needed for disease treatment, cyanide could
> exceed toxic levels.
>
> If, on the other hand, lower salinities were used (e.g. 100 ppm for
> prevention of nitrite toxicity), the low cyanide level would not be of
> concern.
>
> I use solar salt crystals, coarse 1/4 to 1/2 inch in size. It doesn't seem
> to contain YPS (humidity causes it to fuse into a lump, which I break up
> with a hammer or boot). An 80 pound bag was $6 on sale at Lowe's.
> - Rod
>
> Personally, I get Morton's water softener salt in the blue bag without
> conditioners, 99.9% pure I think it says on it, no anti-caking chemicals
> and only ~$4/40 lbs. ~ jan
>
>
> (Do you know where your water quality is?)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>Rod really doesn't know what he is talking about when
>he refers to Morton, because Morton has not used YPS
>since the late 1940's. I asked Morton, so I know.
>Tom L.L.

By golly you're right Tom, my Morton's iodized table salt doesn't show it
on the ingredients list. But you're kind of missing the point, in that we
were talking about the anti-caking chemical and its possible toxic
relationship. In the future I will delete his 1 sentence reference to
Morton's. :o) ~ jan

>----------------------------------------------------
>>>On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:42:58 GMT, "ciel" > wrote:
>>
>> YPS (yellow prussiate of soda, sodium ferrocyanide) is a common
>> anti-caking additive in granulated table salt. It is potentially toxic to fish.
>>
>> Table salt may contain up to 13 ppm YPS, and does not have to be
>> listed on the label, per FDA regulation (21 CFR 172.490).
>>
>> When exposed to sunlight, ultraviolet light rapidly photolyzes YPS to
>> free cyanide. US EPA lists cyanide as toxic to fish at 0.022 ppm
>> (acute toxicity) to 0.005 ppm (chronic toxicity, "96 hr LC50" means it
>> kills half the fish in 3 days). Fortunately, cyanide isn't persistent; it
>> evaporates readily and bacteria can destroy it.
>>
>> At the oft-recommended 0.1% salinity, salt with 13 ppm YPS would
>> put 0.013 ppm YPS in the pond, which could photolyze to 0.0044 ppm
>> HCN, which is near the toxic level.
>>
>> If higher salinities were needed for disease treatment, cyanide could
>> exceed toxic levels.
>>
>> If, on the other hand, lower salinities were used (e.g. 100 ppm for
>> prevention of nitrite toxicity), the low cyanide level would not be of
>> concern.
>>
>> I use solar salt crystals, coarse 1/4 to 1/2 inch in size. It doesn't seem
>> to contain YPS (humidity causes it to fuse into a lump, which I break up
>> with a hammer or boot). An 80 pound bag was $6 on sale at Lowe's.
>> - Rod
>>
>> Personally, I get Morton's water softener salt in the blue bag without
>> conditioners, 99.9% pure I think it says on it, no anti-caking chemicals
>> and only ~$4/40 lbs. ~ jan
>>
>>
>> (Do you know where your water quality is?)

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Newbie Bill]

I do love Ingrid, and I'm not being facitious. If she knows about it she
responds - no kinda, sorta maybe. Short and sweet 'Thats my story and I'm
sticking to it.' It may not always be the gospel, but it could be one of
the missing books:)
Bill

> wrote in message
...
> forget that stuff. get plain old 100% rock salt CRYSTALS not sea salt...
in plastic
> bags meant for water softening. it is cheap and great. Ingrid

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

So Bill, You kinda don't like some of the sorta long explanations that may
or may not be kinda sorta close to accurate, maybe? ;o) ~ jan

> "Newbie Bill" > wrote:

>I do love Ingrid, and I'm not being facitious. If she knows about it she
>responds - no kinda, sorta maybe. Short and sweet 'Thats my story and I'm
>sticking to it.' It may not always be the gospel, but it could be one of
>the missing books:)
>Bill
>
> wrote in message
...
>> forget that stuff. get plain old 100% rock salt CRYSTALS not sea salt...
>in plastic
>> bags meant for water softening. it is cheap and great. Ingrid
>

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[bluegill phil]

Mortons pickiling salt



On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:20:01 -0400, (REBEL JOE)
wrote:

>go to wal-mart and get pickling salt its cheap It comes in a green box.
>
>
>
>http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

[Tom L. La Bron]

No Jan,

I am not missing the point. I too am talking about the
anti caking ingredients. I do not know where Rod got
his information about YPS, because everything that I
have found says that it is safe because the iron -
cyanide bond is very strong and requires a lot to break
it. The WHO has a lot written up about it and its
non-affect on a variety of digestive systems including
humans. Everywhere I read it says nothing about YPS
being broken down by UV which would mean the bonds in
this molecule would be weak.

In fact the WHO says the following:

Quote:

"BIOCHEMICAL ASPECTS

Because of the strong chemical bond between
iron and the cyanide groups these salts have a low
toxicity.

Unquote.

In any event, this anti-caking material is not used
very much any more.

I question the part of his write up on the UV, because
everything else says that it couldn't happen.

Tom L.L.
----------------------------------
~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>>Rod really doesn't know what he is talking about when
>>he refers to Morton, because Morton has not used YPS
>>since the late 1940's. I asked Morton, so I know.
>>Tom L.L.
>
>
> By golly you're right Tom, my Morton's iodized table salt doesn't show it
> on the ingredients list. But you're kind of missing the point, in that we
> were talking about the anti-caking chemical and its possible toxic
> relationship. In the future I will delete his 1 sentence reference to
> Morton's. :o) ~ jan
>
>
>>----------------------------------------------------
>>
>>>>On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:42:58 GMT, "ciel" > wrote:
>>>
>>>YPS (yellow prussiate of soda, sodium ferrocyanide) is a common
>>>anti-caking additive in granulated table salt. It is potentially toxic to fish.
>>>
>>>Table salt may contain up to 13 ppm YPS, and does not have to be
>>>listed on the label, per FDA regulation (21 CFR 172.490).
>>>
>>>When exposed to sunlight, ultraviolet light rapidly photolyzes YPS to
>>>free cyanide. US EPA lists cyanide as toxic to fish at 0.022 ppm
>>>(acute toxicity) to 0.005 ppm (chronic toxicity, "96 hr LC50" means it
>>>kills half the fish in 3 days). Fortunately, cyanide isn't persistent; it
>>>evaporates readily and bacteria can destroy it.
>>>
>>>At the oft-recommended 0.1% salinity, salt with 13 ppm YPS would
>>>put 0.013 ppm YPS in the pond, which could photolyze to 0.0044 ppm
>>>HCN, which is near the toxic level.
>>>
>>>If higher salinities were needed for disease treatment, cyanide could
>>>exceed toxic levels.
>>>
>>>If, on the other hand, lower salinities were used (e.g. 100 ppm for
>>>prevention of nitrite toxicity), the low cyanide level would not be of
>>>concern.
>>>
>>>I use solar salt crystals, coarse 1/4 to 1/2 inch in size. It doesn't seem
>>>to contain YPS (humidity causes it to fuse into a lump, which I break up
>>>with a hammer or boot). An 80 pound bag was $6 on sale at Lowe's.
>>>- Rod
>>>
>>>Personally, I get Morton's water softener salt in the blue bag without
>>>conditioners, 99.9% pure I think it says on it, no anti-caking chemicals
>>>and only ~$4/40 lbs. ~ jan
>>>
>>>
>>> (Do you know where your water quality is?)
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Ah, I see. It appeared, to me anyway, just referring to that one sentence
like you did, that it was just that one sentence. K. Point taken. ~ jan


>On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:14:27 -0500, "Tom L. La Bron" > wrote:

>No Jan,
>
>I am not missing the point. I too am talking about the
>anti caking ingredients. I do not know where Rod got
>his information about YPS, because everything that I
>have found says that it is safe because the iron -
>cyanide bond is very strong and requires a lot to break
>it. The WHO has a lot written up about it and its
>non-affect on a variety of digestive systems including
>humans. Everywhere I read it says nothing about YPS
>being broken down by UV which would mean the bonds in
>this molecule would be weak.
>
>In fact the WHO says the following:
>
>Quote:
>
>"BIOCHEMICAL ASPECTS
>
> Because of the strong chemical bond between
>iron and the cyanide groups these salts have a low
>toxicity.
>
>Unquote.
>
>In any event, this anti-caking material is not used
>very much any more.
>
>I question the part of his write up on the UV, because
>everything else says that it couldn't happen.
>
>Tom L.L.
>----------------------------------
>~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>>>Rod really doesn't know what he is talking about when
>>>he refers to Morton, because Morton has not used YPS
>>>since the late 1940's. I asked Morton, so I know.
>>>Tom L.L.
>>
>>
>> By golly you're right Tom, my Morton's iodized table salt doesn't show it
>> on the ingredients list. But you're kind of missing the point, in that we
>> were talking about the anti-caking chemical and its possible toxic
>> relationship. In the future I will delete his 1 sentence reference to
>> Morton's. :o) ~ jan
>>
>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 10:42:58 GMT, "ciel" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>YPS (yellow prussiate of soda, sodium ferrocyanide) is a common
>>>>anti-caking additive in granulated table salt. It is potentially toxic to fish.
>>>>
>>>>Table salt may contain up to 13 ppm YPS, and does not have to be
>>>>listed on the label, per FDA regulation (21 CFR 172.490).
>>>>
>>>>When exposed to sunlight, ultraviolet light rapidly photolyzes YPS to
>>>>free cyanide. US EPA lists cyanide as toxic to fish at 0.022 ppm
>>>>(acute toxicity) to 0.005 ppm (chronic toxicity, "96 hr LC50" means it
>>>>kills half the fish in 3 days). Fortunately, cyanide isn't persistent; it
>>>>evaporates readily and bacteria can destroy it.
>>>>
>>>>At the oft-recommended 0.1% salinity, salt with 13 ppm YPS would
>>>>put 0.013 ppm YPS in the pond, which could photolyze to 0.0044 ppm
>>>>HCN, which is near the toxic level.
>>>>
>>>>If higher salinities were needed for disease treatment, cyanide could
>>>>exceed toxic levels.
>>>>
>>>>If, on the other hand, lower salinities were used (e.g. 100 ppm for
>>>>prevention of nitrite toxicity), the low cyanide level would not be of
>>>>concern.
>>>>
>>>>I use solar salt crystals, coarse 1/4 to 1/2 inch in size. It doesn't seem
>>>>to contain YPS (humidity causes it to fuse into a lump, which I break up
>>>>with a hammer or boot). An 80 pound bag was $6 on sale at Lowe's.
>>>>- Rod
>>>>
>>>>Personally, I get Morton's water softener salt in the blue bag without
>>>>conditioners, 99.9% pure I think it says on it, no anti-caking chemicals
>>>>and only ~$4/40 lbs. ~ jan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> (Do you know where your water quality is?)
>>
>>
>> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[[email protected]]

it doesnt mean salts wont in other areas. for example, our salt is mostly iodized
for the great lakes because of the lack of iodine. there are different additives for
different parts of the country. Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
my Morton's iodized table salt doesn't show it
>on the ingredients list.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

your reference to Farlee was correct, as of course he was. it requires UV light to
break the bond, which is what can happen when the salt is used outdoors. Farlee
outta know, he is a chemist.
Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
>Ah, I see. It appeared, to me anyway, just referring to that one sentence
>like you did, that it was just that one sentence. K. Point taken. ~ jan


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

I guess I am even shorter and to the point these days. My mother just died 5 days
ago after being in the hospital for barely 2 weeks. It was terribly sudden and
unexpected. She had a knee replacement end of Feb and was back to working in her
beloved gardens. I am going to miss her so much.
Ingrid

~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:

>So Bill, You kinda don't like some of the sorta long explanations that may
>or may not be kinda sorta close to accurate, maybe? ;o) ~ jan
>
>> "Newbie Bill" > wrote:
>
>>I do love Ingrid, and I'm not being facitious. If she knows about it she
>>responds - no kinda, sorta maybe. Short and sweet 'Thats my story and I'm
>>sticking to it.' It may not always be the gospel, but it could be one of
>>the missing books:)
>>Bill
>>


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Happy'Cam'per]

> wrote in message
...
> I guess I am even shorter and to the point these days. My mother just
died 5 days
> ago after being in the hospital for barely 2 weeks. It was terribly
sudden and
> unexpected.

My sympathies Jan :(
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

[Happy'Cam'per]

Sorry, I meant Ingrid!!!!!!
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > I guess I am even shorter and to the point these days. My mother just
> died 5 days
> > ago after being in the hospital for barely 2 weeks. It was terribly
> sudden and
> > unexpected.
>
> My sympathies Jan :(
> --
> **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**
>
>

[Benign Vanilla]

> wrote in message
...
> I guess I am even shorter and to the point these days. My mother just
died 5 days
> ago after being in the hospital for barely 2 weeks. It was terribly
sudden and
> unexpected. She had a knee replacement end of Feb and was back to working
in her
> beloved gardens. I am going to miss her so much.
> Ingrid
<snip>

My deepest sympathies for your loss.

BV.

[Pinkpggy]

>Ingrid

Sorry to hear about your mom. I know how hard it is to loose someone.
Jan
"Our Pond" Page
http://hometown.aol.com/pinkpggy/index.html

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

That has always been my understanding, even before Rod wrote it, and
truthfully I didn't change my mind, just acknowledged Tom's, unclear at the
time, point. ;o)
~ jan (trying not to start anything here.)

>On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:23:37 GMT, wrote:

>your reference to Farlee was correct, as of course he was. it requires UV light to
>break the bond, which is what can happen when the salt is used outdoors. Farlee
>outta know, he is a chemist.
>Ingrid
>
>~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
>>Ah, I see. It appeared, to me anyway, just referring to that one sentence
>>like you did, that it was just that one sentence. K. Point taken. ~ jan
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>www.drsolo.com
>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>endorsements or recommendations I make.

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Oh Ingrid, I am so sorry for your loss, and ours as you've often told
stories about your mom & her ponds/garden. :o( ~ jan

>On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:28:42 GMT, wrote:

>I guess I am even shorter and to the point these days. My mother just died 5 days
>ago after being in the hospital for barely 2 weeks. It was terribly sudden and
>unexpected. She had a knee replacement end of Feb and was back to working in her
>beloved gardens. I am going to miss her so much.
>Ingrid
>
>~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
>
>>So Bill, You kinda don't like some of the sorta long explanations that may
>>or may not be kinda sorta close to accurate, maybe? ;o) ~ jan
>>
>>> "Newbie Bill" > wrote:
>>
>>>I do love Ingrid, and I'm not being facitious. If she knows about it she
>>>responds - no kinda, sorta maybe. Short and sweet 'Thats my story and I'm
>>>sticking to it.' It may not always be the gospel, but it could be one of
>>>the missing books:)
>>>Bill
>>>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>www.drsolo.com
>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>endorsements or recommendations I make.

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Tom L. La Bron]

My Condolences to you and your family over the passing
of your mother. I remember you telling of your
mother's garden when you were on the Goldfish list.

Respectfully,

Tom L.L.
------------------------------------------
wrote:
> I guess I am even shorter and to the point these days. My mother just died 5 days
> ago after being in the hospital for barely 2 weeks. It was terribly sudden and
> unexpected. She had a knee replacement end of Feb and was back to working in her
> beloved gardens. I am going to miss her so much.
> Ingrid
>
> ~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
>
>
>>So Bill, You kinda don't like some of the sorta long explanations that may
>>or may not be kinda sorta close to accurate, maybe? ;o) ~ jan
>>
>>
>>>"Newbie Bill" > wrote:
>>
>>>I do love Ingrid, and I'm not being facitious. If she knows about it she
>>>responds - no kinda, sorta maybe. Short and sweet 'Thats my story and I'm
>>>sticking to it.' It may not always be the gospel, but it could be one of
>>>the missing books:)
>>>Bill
>>>
>
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[Kodiak]

My sympathies to you and your family Ingrid....
....Kodiak

> wrote in message
...
> I guess I am even shorter and to the point these days. My mother just
died 5 days
> ago after being in the hospital for barely 2 weeks. It was terribly
sudden and
> unexpected. She had a knee replacement end of Feb and was back to working
in her
> beloved gardens. I am going to miss her so much.
> Ingrid
>
> ~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote:
>
> >So Bill, You kinda don't like some of the sorta long explanations that
may
> >or may not be kinda sorta close to accurate, maybe? ;o) ~ jan
> >
> >> "Newbie Bill" > wrote:
> >
> >>I do love Ingrid, and I'm not being facitious. If she knows about it
she
> >>responds - no kinda, sorta maybe. Short and sweet 'Thats my story and
I'm
> >>sticking to it.' It may not always be the gospel, but it could be one
of
> >>the missing books:)
> >>Bill
> >>
>
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> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.