azponds ?

[Grumpy]

Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.

[Charles]

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:44:04 GMT, Grumpy > wrote:

>Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.


I did. I got what I ordered, when they said they would send it, all
okay. I'd deal with them again.

I have read that they are hard to get a hold of if you need to talk to
them, I didn't, so that's just what I've read.


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- Charles
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-does not play well with others

[Bob H]

They would not stand behind the cal pump uv light I bought when it went bad,
they made me deal directly with Cal Pump for warranty adjustment.....not
cool in my book.

"Grumpy" > wrote in message
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> Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.
>

[Grumpy]

I talked to them today, no problem what so ever. I'm trying to give
local shops my business, but their prices make it hard, even with
shipping. So far I'm saving at least a couple hundred dollars with just
the pump and liner, I haven't priced filters yet. I'm still trying to
understand what the best method is. Problem is, I've talked to 10
different people, and gotten 10 different filtration methods including
no filter at all. So I'm still on the hunt. Here is the "hole" I have so
far:
http://home.comcast.net/~grumpy232/pondpage.htm
I'll take any recommendations. I will have koi. Thanks
p.s. I'm saving over 1,000 dollars compared to one of the shops, pays to
shop around!

Charles wrote:

> On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:44:04 GMT, Grumpy > wrote:
>
>
>>Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.
>
>
>
> I did. I got what I ordered, when they said they would send it, all
> okay. I'd deal with them again.
>
> I have read that they are hard to get a hold of if you need to talk to
> them, I didn't, so that's just what I've read.
>
>

[Charles]

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 06:31:51 GMT, Grumpy > wrote:

>I talked to them today, no problem what so ever. I'm trying to give
>local shops my business, but their prices make it hard, even with
>shipping. So far I'm saving at least a couple hundred dollars with just
>the pump and liner, I haven't priced filters yet. I'm still trying to
>understand what the best method is. Problem is, I've talked to 10
>different people, and gotten 10 different filtration methods including
>no filter at all. So I'm still on the hunt. Here is the "hole" I have so
> far:
>http://home.comcast.net/~grumpy232/pondpage.htm
>I'll take any recommendations. I will have koi. Thanks
>p.s. I'm saving over 1,000 dollars compared to one of the shops, pays to
>shop around!
>

Your setup looks really nice. What I know about Koi filters is "use
lots of filtration."

From the picture it's not clear how sturdy the cement blocks are.
They won't shift over time, will they? the wooden fence shouldn't be
counted on for support, I think.

Someone else mentioned Cal-pumps. the water garden place I frequent
has stopped carrying them, too much bother. He is a strong believer
in Pond master. The PM pumps I've used work well.

I don't mean to be negative about what you are doing, I worked as a
technician most of my life and my tendency is to look for things that
might go wrong and try to see what can be done to prevent problems.
I caused a lot of people a lot of grief along the way.

<:-)


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- Charles
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-does not play well with others

[chagoi]

Grumpy wrote:
Here is the "hole" I have so far:
> http://home.comcast.net/~grumpy232/pondpage.htm
> I'll take any recommendations. I will have koi. Thanks
> p.s. I'm saving over 1,000 dollars compared to one of the shops, pays to
> shop around!


One question on the "after" picture Grumpy.
http://home.comcast.net/~grumpy232/davespond.jpg

How'd you get the moss to stick to the walls?
You've seemed to have mastered it better than I have. :-)
http://ourkoipond.com/Image57.jpg

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Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com

[Grumpy]

snip
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>
>
> Your setup looks really nice. What I know about Koi filters is "use
> lots of filtration."

I plan on a uv, bio, and mechanical (gravel?)
>
> From the picture it's not clear how sturdy the cement blocks are.
> They won't shift over time, will they? the wooden fence shouldn't be
> counted on for support, I think.

Cemented and rebarbed with a gap from the fence


>
> I don't mean to be negative about what you are doing, I worked as a
> technician most of my life and my tendency is to look for things that
> might go wrong and try to see what can be done to prevent problems.
> I caused a lot of people a lot of grief along the way.
>

I'm known as a technician in my field. When things break, a lot of
people tend to get annoyed, mainly the passengers inside the airplane.
> <:-)
>
>

[Newbie Bill]

I have several times. They are the cheapest around in my book. If you know
what you want two thumbs up. I would consider them kind of the Charles
Schwab of ponding. If you need extensive support or insight they may fall
short. And, of course they are only going to recommend what they have to
offer, although I guess there are few who dont. So small on price, small of
support.
Bill Brister - Austin, Texas

"Grumpy" > wrote in message
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> Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.
>

[Charles]

On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 15:02:49 GMT, Grumpy > wrote:

>
>
>snip
>>>
>>
>>
>> Your setup looks really nice. What I know about Koi filters is "use
>> lots of filtration."
>
>I plan on a uv, bio, and mechanical (gravel?)

Gravel - never again. I used lava rock, it worked well until time to
clean it out, I wore my fingers down a bit. I'd go with one of the
plastic media things. Are there koi shops around your area? check
with them as to what they use, not what they sell.

I just have goldfish and water lilies, nowhere near as elaborate as
what you have planned.

>> From the picture it's not clear how sturdy the cement blocks are.
>> They won't shift over time, will they? the wooden fence shouldn't be
>> counted on for support, I think.
>
>Cemented and rebarbed with a gap from the fence
>
>
>>
>> I don't mean to be negative about what you are doing, I worked as a
>> technician most of my life and my tendency is to look for things that
>> might go wrong and try to see what can be done to prevent problems.
>> I caused a lot of people a lot of grief along the way.
>>
>
>I'm known as a technician in my field. When things break, a lot of
>people tend to get annoyed, mainly the passengers inside the airplane.
>> <:-)
>>
>>

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- Charles
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-does not play well with others

[Janet]

If you're serious about keeping koi then I suggest you stop where you are
right now and head on over to the pond building forum at
http://www.koiphen.com There are some very knowlegable folks there that
really know their stuff. I hate to say it, but 3 feet deep isn't going to be
deep enough for koi. You're going to need some heavy duty filtration as
well... there is a reason koi are called pond pigs...
Janet in hot, humid Niagara Falls

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"Grumpy" > wrote in message
news:rjGPc.81559$eM2.74028@attbi_s51...
> I talked to them today, no problem what so ever. I'm trying to give
> local shops my business, but their prices make it hard, even with
> shipping. So far I'm saving at least a couple hundred dollars with just
> the pump and liner, I haven't priced filters yet. I'm still trying to
> understand what the best method is. Problem is, I've talked to 10
> different people, and gotten 10 different filtration methods including
> no filter at all. So I'm still on the hunt. Here is the "hole" I have so
> far:
> http://home.comcast.net/~grumpy232/pondpage.htm
> I'll take any recommendations. I will have koi. Thanks
> p.s. I'm saving over 1,000 dollars compared to one of the shops, pays to
> shop around!
>
> Charles wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 03 Aug 2004 05:44:04 GMT, Grumpy > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.
> >
> >
> >
> > I did. I got what I ordered, when they said they would send it, all
> > okay. I'd deal with them again.
> >
> > I have read that they are hard to get a hold of if you need to talk to
> > them, I didn't, so that's just what I've read.
> >
> >
>

[Grumpy]

Thanks Bill, that's pretty much the conclusion I came up with as well.

Newbie Bill wrote:

> I have several times. They are the cheapest around in my book. If you know
> what you want two thumbs up. I would consider them kind of the Charles
> Schwab of ponding. If you need extensive support or insight they may fall
> short. And, of course they are only going to recommend what they have to
> offer, although I guess there are few who dont. So small on price, small of
> support.
> Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
>
> "Grumpy" > wrote in message
> news:ECFPc.220021$JR4.62673@attbi_s54...
>
>>Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.
>>
>
>
>

[Nedra]

I bought my skimmer from azponds and had a lovely email discussion with the
owner re: the openings in the skimmer where small fish and frogs were likely
to
get caught. He was very helpful. I guess it depends?

Nedra
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118

"Newbie Bill" > wrote in message
m...
> I have several times. They are the cheapest around in my book. If you
know
> what you want two thumbs up. I would consider them kind of the Charles
> Schwab of ponding. If you need extensive support or insight they may fall
> short. And, of course they are only going to recommend what they have to
> offer, although I guess there are few who dont. So small on price, small
of
> support.
> Bill Brister - Austin, Texas
>
> "Grumpy" > wrote in message
> news:ECFPc.220021$JR4.62673@attbi_s54...
> > Has anyone delt with these guys? Prices seem reasonable.
> >
>
>

[Grumpy]

Thanks Janet, actual depth is about 3.5 feet. How deep would I have to go?

Janet wrote:

> If you're serious about keeping koi then I suggest you stop where you are
> right now and head on over to the pond building forum at
> http://www.koiphen.com There are some very knowlegable folks there that
> really know their stuff. I hate to say it, but 3 feet deep isn't going to be
> deep enough for koi. You're going to need some heavy duty filtration as
> well... there is a reason koi are called pond pigs...
> Janet in hot, humid Niagara Falls
>

[Newbie Bill]

That may be true. I had no problem getting support. I just felt they were a
bit patronizing about my expressed concerns about the mechanical filtering
abilities of the little laguna box filter I bought. The corporate add did
say ' and the water comes out sparkling clean on the other end'. Perhaps he
was just a little reluctant to address my naivete and inexperience and say
"Well Bill there is just so much bio AND mechanical filtering you can expect
from a retail $75 filter." I just wrote it off as part of the learning
experience. After all thats one of the things that led me to finding you
guys. A small price to pay for such rich rewards:)
Bill

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>That may be true. I had no problem getting support. I just felt they were a
>bit patronizing about my expressed concerns about the mechanical filtering
>abilities of the little laguna box filter I bought. The corporate add did
>say ' and the water comes out sparkling clean on the other end'. Perhaps he
>was just a little reluctant to address my naivete and inexperience and say
>"Well Bill there is just so much bio AND mechanical filtering you can expect
>from a retail $75 filter." I just wrote it off as part of the learning
>experience. After all thats one of the things that led me to finding you
>guys. A small price to pay for such rich rewards:)
>Bill
>
Well ya see, Bill, you missed the fine (invisible) print behind the *water
comes out sparkling clean on the other end,* which said, "when used on the
smaller range and low to no fish stock water garden." ;o)

Just how many gallons of pond did the filter claim it would filter? How big
is your pond? ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Newbie Bill]

My pond is a 800 gallons of delight. I am sure it claimed to do that or I
wouldnt have gotten it. On my last pair of glasses I did not pay for the
invisible print filter, so maybe that was the problem. My first big clue
that it was not heavy of mechanical was when I put a small piece of cotton
batting on top of the coarse filets and it stopped considerably more.
Bill

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Wed, 04 Aug 2004 21:05:51 GMT, "Newbie Bill" > wrote:

>My pond is a 800 gallons of delight. I am sure it claimed to do that or I
>wouldnt have gotten it. On my last pair of glasses I did not pay for the
>invisible print filter, so maybe that was the problem. My first big clue
>that it was not heavy of mechanical was when I put a small piece of cotton
>batting on top of the coarse filets and it stopped considerably more.
>Bill
>
Oh, you fell for the old mileage in town & highway ploy. Just like car
mileage is never what the manufacturer claimed it would be, same with
commercial filters. In fact, we have a formula for commercial filters, take
the claimed gallons filtered and divide by 2. Now you have a more realistic
amount the filter will keep clean. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~