Advice Needed

[Mostyn]

I just require a little advice.
I was just wondering which type of pump would be best.

1/ A pump that sits on the bottom of the pond and pipes going upto a filer
and returns back.

2/ Or a pump that sits in a pump house out side the pond and pipes run from
the pond through the pump then into a filter & uv light & back to the pond.

does anyone have any comments as to which one would be the best.
Thanks
Mostyn

[Benign Vanilla]

"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> I just require a little advice.
> I was just wondering which type of pump would be best.
>
> 1/ A pump that sits on the bottom of the pond and pipes going upto a filer
> and returns back.
>
> 2/ Or a pump that sits in a pump house out side the pond and pipes run
from
> the pond through the pump then into a filter & uv light & back to the
pond.
>
> does anyone have any comments as to which one would be the best.

There are pro's and con's to both setups. I use a pump sitting in my filter
pond that is gravity fed via a bottom drain. This pond is only a foot or so
deep, so cleaning and maitenance is easy. This also prevents me from ever
accidently draining my pond, because once the water drops to a certain
level, the pump will just dry up. In the situation where the pump is on the
bottom of the pond, you have a potential for draining the pond if the output
ever got redirected.

BV.

[Crashj]

"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> I just require a little advice.
> I was just wondering which type of pump would be best.

That is not a 'little advice' ;-)
Before the rest of the group wakes up and starts posting, you might want to
post more info on your [planned?] pond.
How big, plants only or plants and fish, where are you geographically, where
is the pond relative to buildings and trees.
You see where I am going with this?
This is because size matters. A small pump can be installed in the water but
a big unit is more like a swimming pool and would be external.
--
Crashj "just what I think I have learned here" Johnson

[Just Me \Koi\]

We are up now!

Regardless of the use type, I strongly recommend the external pump. More
efficient and easier to service.

Your next question is going to be which brand of pump!

--
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like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."

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"Crashj" > wrote in message
link.net...
> "Mostyn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I just require a little advice.
> > I was just wondering which type of pump would be best.
>
> That is not a 'little advice' ;-)
> Before the rest of the group wakes up and starts posting, you might want
to
> post more info on your [planned?] pond.
> How big, plants only or plants and fish, where are you geographically,
where
> is the pond relative to buildings and trees.
> You see where I am going with this?
> This is because size matters. A small pump can be installed in the water
but
> a big unit is more like a swimming pool and would be external.
> --
> Crashj "just what I think I have learned here" Johnson
>
>

[George]

"Just Me "Koi"" > wrote in message
...
> We are up now!
>
> Regardless of the use type, I strongly recommend the external pump. More
> efficient and easier to service.
>
> Your next question is going to be which brand of pump!
>
> --
> _______________________________________
> "The difference between 'involvement' and 'commitment' is
> like an eggs-and-ham breakfast:
> The chicken was 'involved' - the pig was 'committed'."
>
> http://community.webshots.com/user/godwino

How is an external pump more efficient? There is no question about the ease of
service, provided it doesn't lose suction all the time, which can happen.

> "Crashj" > wrote in message
> link.net...
>> "Mostyn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I just require a little advice.
>> > I was just wondering which type of pump would be best.
>>
>> That is not a 'little advice' ;-)
>> Before the rest of the group wakes up and starts posting, you might want
> to
>> post more info on your [planned?] pond.
>> How big, plants only or plants and fish, where are you geographically,
> where
>> is the pond relative to buildings and trees.
>> You see where I am going with this?
>> This is because size matters. A small pump can be installed in the water
> but
>> a big unit is more like a swimming pool and would be external.
>> --
>> Crashj "just what I think I have learned here" Johnson
>>
>>
>
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>1/ A pump that sits on the bottom of the pond and pipes going upto a filer
>and returns back.

>2/ Or a pump that sits in a pump house out side the pond and pipes run from
>the pond through the pump then into a filter & uv light & back to the pond.
>Mostyn

#1 works for a small, light stocked water garden, BV mentioned the
potential problem of draining the pond. There are automatic shut offs
available. (Mercury Flow Switches)

#2 is better for bigger system, but still not ideal, imo. Better is to have
the pump after the filter, less wear and tear on the pump and muck isn't
ground up into tiny bits that can by-pass the filter.

As far as pumps, external pumps are more efficient as they give more gph
using less energy, but a submersible can still be used in an out-of-pond
filtration unit. I have this type of system diagrammed on my website, with
plumbing added after the pond was been in and plumbing correctly when put
in at the same time as the pond. See *My Filter* *Demon Pond Filter* &
*Lily Pond* with the last set showing what the plumbing looks like under
the pond. There are of course all sorts of variations.

My lily pond at this time has set up #1 until we put in (read: have money)
the out of pond filter & pump. ~ jan
~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Lane]

> I have this type of system diagrammed on my website, with
> plumbing added after the pond was been in and plumbing correctly when put
> in at the same time as the pond. See *My Filter* *Demon Pond Filter* &
> *Lily Pond* with the last set showing what the plumbing looks like under
> the pond. There are of course all sorts of variations.
>

And where is this website?

Lane

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>> I have this type of system diagrammed on my website, with
>> plumbing added after the pond was been in and plumbing correctly when put
>> in at the same time as the pond. See *My Filter* *Demon Pond Filter* &
>> *Lily Pond* with the last set showing what the plumbing looks like under
>> the pond. There are of course all sorts of variations.

>And where is this website?
>Lane

Oops, sorry, http://users.owt.com/jjspond/ ~jan

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
To e-mail see website

[mostyn30]

Hi All
Thanks for the responses, right here go's
the size of the pond is 12ftx12ftx3ft I have already constructed it and is
too late to put in a sump drain.
I was thinking of an external pump with suction pipe in one end and a return
pipe into the other to make a contraflow/vortex then a small 500 hoselock
pump to run my waterfall both systems running through a separate UV lights
but the main pump running through a filter as well.
let me know what you think to this idea.
to see the location of my pond to buildings and soforth check out my site
but it's not upto date it was last updated last September and a lot has been
done since then, I will update my site after the whole garden is finished.
take a look and let me know your views please.
yours Mostyn
www.mostynpondlife.com

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >1/ A pump that sits on the bottom of the pond and pipes going upto a
filer
> >and returns back.
>
> >2/ Or a pump that sits in a pump house out side the pond and pipes run
from
> >the pond through the pump then into a filter & uv light & back to the
pond.
> >Mostyn
>
> #1 works for a small, light stocked water garden, BV mentioned the
> potential problem of draining the pond. There are automatic shut offs
> available. (Mercury Flow Switches)
>
> #2 is better for bigger system, but still not ideal, imo. Better is to
have
> the pump after the filter, less wear and tear on the pump and muck isn't
> ground up into tiny bits that can by-pass the filter.
>
> As far as pumps, external pumps are more efficient as they give more gph
> using less energy, but a submersible can still be used in an out-of-pond
> filtration unit. I have this type of system diagrammed on my website, with
> plumbing added after the pond was been in and plumbing correctly when put
> in at the same time as the pond. See *My Filter* *Demon Pond Filter* &
> *Lily Pond* with the last set showing what the plumbing looks like under
> the pond. There are of course all sorts of variations.
>
> My lily pond at this time has set up #1 until we put in (read: have money)
> the out of pond filter & pump. ~ jan
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Sounds like a plan to me. :o) ~ jan

>On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 14:19:08 GMT, "mostyn30" > wrote:

>Hi All
>Thanks for the responses, right here go's
>the size of the pond is 12ftx12ftx3ft I have already constructed it and is
>too late to put in a sump drain.
>I was thinking of an external pump with suction pipe in one end and a return
>pipe into the other to make a contraflow/vortex then a small 500 hoselock
>pump to run my waterfall both systems running through a separate UV lights
>but the main pump running through a filter as well.
>let me know what you think to this idea.
>to see the location of my pond to buildings and soforth check out my site
>but it's not upto date it was last updated last September and a lot has been
>done since then, I will update my site after the whole garden is finished.
>take a look and let me know your views please.
>yours Mostyn
>www.mostynpondlife.com
>
>"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
>> >1/ A pump that sits on the bottom of the pond and pipes going upto a
>filer
>> >and returns back.
>>
>> >2/ Or a pump that sits in a pump house out side the pond and pipes run
>from
>> >the pond through the pump then into a filter & uv light & back to the
>pond.
>> >Mostyn
>>
>> #1 works for a small, light stocked water garden, BV mentioned the
>> potential problem of draining the pond. There are automatic shut offs
>> available. (Mercury Flow Switches)
>>
>> #2 is better for bigger system, but still not ideal, imo. Better is to
>have
>> the pump after the filter, less wear and tear on the pump and muck isn't
>> ground up into tiny bits that can by-pass the filter.
>>
>> As far as pumps, external pumps are more efficient as they give more gph
>> using less energy, but a submersible can still be used in an out-of-pond
>> filtration unit. I have this type of system diagrammed on my website, with
>> plumbing added after the pond was been in and plumbing correctly when put
>> in at the same time as the pond. See *My Filter* *Demon Pond Filter* &
>> *Lily Pond* with the last set showing what the plumbing looks like under
>> the pond. There are of course all sorts of variations.
>>
>> My lily pond at this time has set up #1 until we put in (read: have money)
>> the out of pond filter & pump. ~ jan
>> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
>

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~