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Coop
May 27th 04, 04:30 PM
Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14") Koi,
about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long variety, as
opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the ventral
(underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not covered
with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance of about
2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and underneath the
scales of the fish.
Thank you for your help,
Ian
I can't help, but try:
http://www.koivet.com
You might also post your question on rec.ponds
Good luck
Joe
On 5/27/04 8:30 AM, "Coop" > wrote:
> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14") Koi,
> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long variety, as
> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the ventral
> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not covered
> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance of about
> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and underneath the
> scales of the fish.
>
> Thank you for your help,
> Ian
>
>
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dkat
May 28th 04, 12:52 AM
"Coop" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14") Koi,
> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long variety, as
> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the
ventral
> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not
covered
> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance of
about
> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and underneath
the
> scales of the fish.
>
> Thank you for your help,
> Ian
>
>
dkat
May 28th 04, 12:57 AM
"Coop" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14") Koi,
> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long variety, as
> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the
ventral
> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not
covered
> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance of
about
> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and underneath
the
> scales of the fish.
>
> Thank you for your help,
> Ian
I answered this on rec.goldfish already. Ingrid
"dkat" > wrote:
>"Coop" > wrote in message
...
>> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14") Koi,
>> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long variety, as
>> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the
>ventral
>> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not
>covered
>> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance of
>about
>> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and underneath
>the
>> scales of the fish.
>>
>> Thank you for your help,
>> Ian
>
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dkat
May 28th 04, 02:56 PM
Now this is exactly why I think cross posting is acceptable sometimes and
sometimes necessary. I had assumed this person had only gone to one room
and knew his answer was waiting for him/her in another. Because they had
only the one group in their posting I had no idea they had posted elsewhere.
I can certainly understand why people get ticked with inappropriate cross
posting (and I have been the culprit of clicking on the wrong group to send
to - I'm still doing mea culpa for a political post in the pottery room...)
but this is exactly the situation where you want it in as many rooms with
the possible answer as possible and for it to be clear where the message has
gone to.... just my little sidebar for the month
> wrote in message
...
> I answered this on rec.goldfish already. Ingrid
>
> "dkat" > wrote:
>
> >"Coop" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14")
Koi,
> >> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long variety,
as
> >> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the
> >ventral
> >> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not
> >covered
> >> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance of
> >about
> >> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and underneath
> >the
> >> scales of the fish.
> >>
> >> Thank you for your help,
> >> Ian
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.
coop
May 29th 04, 04:39 AM
Thank you everyone for your concern. I have taken your answers into
consideration. I also spoke with "The Koi Nursery" in Port Perry Ontario
and basically the same response. This fish is all but gone. Somehow, it
lost it's slime coat and a parasite has moved in and allowed algae to grow.
Although some of you have mentioned a salt dip and injections, I think by
looking at it and in talking to a a fish breeder, the damage has been done
and the humane thing to do is to end its suffering.
Unless someone wants to convince me otherwise, I will likely do that this
weekend. Again thank you for your help.
Sincerely,
Ian
"dkat" > wrote in message
. net...
> Now this is exactly why I think cross posting is acceptable sometimes and
> sometimes necessary. I had assumed this person had only gone to one room
> and knew his answer was waiting for him/her in another. Because they had
> only the one group in their posting I had no idea they had posted
elsewhere.
> I can certainly understand why people get ticked with inappropriate cross
> posting (and I have been the culprit of clicking on the wrong group to
send
> to - I'm still doing mea culpa for a political post in the pottery
room...)
> but this is exactly the situation where you want it in as many rooms with
> the possible answer as possible and for it to be clear where the message
has
> gone to.... just my little sidebar for the month
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> > I answered this on rec.goldfish already. Ingrid
> >
> > "dkat" > wrote:
> >
> > >"Coop" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14")
> Koi,
> > >> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long
variety,
> as
> > >> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the
> > >ventral
> > >> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not
> > >covered
> > >> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance
of
> > >about
> > >> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and
underneath
> > >the
> > >> scales of the fish.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you for your help,
> > >> Ian
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>
>
well. koi do bounce back from some pretty hellatious conditions, including sores
that eat all the way to teh bone. I guess the only condition I consider for putting
them down is when they are curling and not swimming or eating. Ingrid
"coop" > wrote:
>Thank you everyone for your concern. I have taken your answers into
>consideration. I also spoke with "The Koi Nursery" in Port Perry Ontario
>and basically the same response. This fish is all but gone. Somehow, it
>lost it's slime coat and a parasite has moved in and allowed algae to grow.
>Although some of you have mentioned a salt dip and injections, I think by
>looking at it and in talking to a a fish breeder, the damage has been done
>and the humane thing to do is to end its suffering.
>
>Unless someone wants to convince me otherwise, I will likely do that this
>weekend. Again thank you for your help.
>
>Sincerely,
>Ian
>"dkat" > wrote in message
. net...
>> Now this is exactly why I think cross posting is acceptable sometimes and
>> sometimes necessary. I had assumed this person had only gone to one room
>> and knew his answer was waiting for him/her in another. Because they had
>> only the one group in their posting I had no idea they had posted
>elsewhere.
>> I can certainly understand why people get ticked with inappropriate cross
>> posting (and I have been the culprit of clicking on the wrong group to
>send
>> to - I'm still doing mea culpa for a political post in the pottery
>room...)
>> but this is exactly the situation where you want it in as many rooms with
>> the possible answer as possible and for it to be clear where the message
>has
>> gone to.... just my little sidebar for the month
>>
>> > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I answered this on rec.goldfish already. Ingrid
>> >
>> > "dkat" > wrote:
>> >
>> > >"Coop" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> > >> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large (12-14")
>> Koi,
>> > >> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long
>variety,
>> as
>> > >> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards the
>> > >ventral
>> > >> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although not
>> > >covered
>> > >> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a distance
>of
>> > >about
>> > >> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and
>underneath
>> > >the
>> > >> scales of the fish.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you for your help,
>> > >> Ian
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>> > www.drsolo.com
>> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>>
>>
>>
>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.
coop
May 31st 04, 04:40 AM
Hi Ingrid, et al: Are you really a doctor, or if not what experience do you
have with fish? I am not being nasty, simply asking, because I am new to
the group. I obviously would love to keep this fish and if you think it is
worth trying, I will. If I can catch him and treat him, would a 35 gallon
aquarium be big enough for a salt bath? How would I do the bath or dip? -
sorry, just went to rec...goldfish and found your advice.
I am not sure I understand fully, so to clarify: I will place the fish in a
bucket of water mixed 1/2 of NON-iodized salt/gallon anywhere from 30
seconds to 5 minutes. I will then remove the fish from the bucket and place
it in a 35 gallon tank of fresh water. Should I add any salt to this tank?
How long do I need to keep him in here? What will I see after the dip? Will
the "algae" fall off? What do I do with the parasite if it is still there?
Thanks for all your help,
Ian
> wrote in message
...
> well. koi do bounce back from some pretty hellatious conditions,
including sores
> that eat all the way to teh bone. I guess the only condition I consider
for putting
> them down is when they are curling and not swimming or eating. Ingrid
>
> "coop" > wrote:
>
> >Thank you everyone for your concern. I have taken your answers into
> >consideration. I also spoke with "The Koi Nursery" in Port Perry Ontario
> >and basically the same response. This fish is all but gone. Somehow, it
> >lost it's slime coat and a parasite has moved in and allowed algae to
grow.
> >Although some of you have mentioned a salt dip and injections, I think by
> >looking at it and in talking to a a fish breeder, the damage has been
done
> >and the humane thing to do is to end its suffering.
> >
> >Unless someone wants to convince me otherwise, I will likely do that this
> >weekend. Again thank you for your help.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >Ian
> >"dkat" > wrote in message
> . net...
> >> Now this is exactly why I think cross posting is acceptable sometimes
and
> >> sometimes necessary. I had assumed this person had only gone to one
room
> >> and knew his answer was waiting for him/her in another. Because they
had
> >> only the one group in their posting I had no idea they had posted
> >elsewhere.
> >> I can certainly understand why people get ticked with inappropriate
cross
> >> posting (and I have been the culprit of clicking on the wrong group to
> >send
> >> to - I'm still doing mea culpa for a political post in the pottery
> >room...)
> >> but this is exactly the situation where you want it in as many rooms
with
> >> the possible answer as possible and for it to be clear where the
message
> >has
> >> gone to.... just my little sidebar for the month
> >>
> >> > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > I answered this on rec.goldfish already. Ingrid
> >> >
> >> > "dkat" > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >"Coop" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> > >> Anyone who can help, please contact me asap. I have a large
(12-14")
> >> Koi,
> >> > >> about 3 years old, that has what appears to be Algae (the long
> >variety,
> >> as
> >> > >> opposed to slimy film type) down both sides of the fish, towards
the
> >> > >ventral
> >> > >> (underbelly). The left eye also appears to be clouded, although
not
> >> > >covered
> >> > >> with the same green coating. Through the water and from a
distance
> >of
> >> > >about
> >> > >> 2 feet, it appears as though the "algae" is growing into and
> >underneath
> >> > >the
> >> > >> scales of the fish.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Thank you for your help,
> >> > >> Ian
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> >> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> >> > www.drsolo.com
> >> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> >> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> >> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> >> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
http://home.wi.rr.com/drsolo/author/author1.htm
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/pgcharacters.html
I have my PhD in microbiology. I am a doc, not a physician or veterinarian.
most of this site is purely Jo Ann Burke, who is the expert. I just "channel" for
her when the case is difficult.
you only need a 1 gallon container for a salt bath. the salt bath needs only be 30
seconds long. we are talking 3% salt bath,not the 0.1% salt in the tank all the time.
look here http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/disease.htm
scroll down to treatment, salt dips, read the other one uses of salt.
yes. do salt dip first using your hands from front to back of fish to help strip
slime coat off the fish, but move fish at first sign it quits struggling, then put
fish into fresh water with 0.1% salt. most of the parasites will get stripped off,
altho it wont remove the bacteria that are in any wounds. it wont remove all the
parasites either, but if the fish looks and acts pretty healthy then you can do the
treatment like PP or formalin. at the top of the page is the physical, especially
the gills should be bright cherry red if not, then dont put any treatment in the
water. Ingrid
"coop" > wrote:
>Hi Ingrid, et al: Are you really a doctor, or if not what experience do you
>have with fish? I am not being nasty, simply asking, because I am new to
>the group. I obviously would love to keep this fish and if you think it is
>worth trying, I will. If I can catch him and treat him, would a 35 gallon
>aquarium be big enough for a salt bath? How would I do the bath or dip? -
>sorry, just went to rec...goldfish and found your advice.
>
>I am not sure I understand fully, so to clarify: I will place the fish in a
>bucket of water mixed 1/2 of NON-iodized salt/gallon anywhere from 30
>seconds to 5 minutes. I will then remove the fish from the bucket and place
>it in a 35 gallon tank of fresh water. Should I add any salt to this tank?
>How long do I need to keep him in here? What will I see after the dip? Will
>the "algae" fall off? What do I do with the parasite if it is still there?
>
>Thanks for all your help,
>Ian
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.
Coop
June 17th 04, 12:23 AM
I just thought that I would share with you the amazing recovery of my
foot-long butterfly Koi. Although I was told by one expert to put him out
of his misery, you, specifically Ingrid suggested that Koi have a way of
recovering from serious disease that would boggle the mind. I decided to do
a salt dip and quarantine the fish until he could recover. I couldn't,
however,find a net with a long enough handle to catch him. While I was
looking for one, the "algae" dissapeared off of his flanks. I just figured
he was getting weak and the other fish were picking at it. Yesterday and
today I was able to get a closer look at him, as he swam within 2 feet of
me, and his scales are intact and there is barely a mark on him. I sure am
glad I couldn't find the net when I had decided to "euthanize" him.
Thanks to everyone who wrote with advice.
Ian
"Tom L. La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Ian,
>
> Also, Ingrid has only been keeping Goldfish for about 8
> years now, by her own admission.
>
> And as far as Jo Ann Burke is concerned she was a LFS
> owner in Alabama who sold very expensive Goldfish for
> about 25 years or maybe a little longer, who has taken
> two courses at a university.
>
> If you want real Vet advice go to Dr. Erik Johnson's
> site < http://www.koivet.com/ >, he has written a
> book published by a real publisher on fish care and
> diseases oriented to KOI and ponds (but can be used for
> Goldfish also), and it is not photocopied and it has
> color pictures. Interestingly enough, it is about the
> same price or less than the photocopied production and
> can be bought from real book sellers or on his site.
> It also has an ISBN. He also has some videos that are
> very good about fish care and was co-author with Rick
> Hess, one of the best Goldfish books written to date
> called "Fancy Goldfish".
>
> HTH
>
> Tom L.L.
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> wrote:
> > http://home.wi.rr.com/drsolo/author/author1.htm
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/pgcharacters.html
> > I have my PhD in microbiology. I am a doc, not a physician or
veterinarian.
> > most of this site is purely Jo Ann Burke, who is the expert. I just
"channel" for
> > her when the case is difficult.
> > you only need a 1 gallon container for a salt bath. the salt bath needs
only be 30
> > seconds long. we are talking 3% salt bath,not the 0.1% salt in the tank
all the time.
> >
> > look here http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/disease/disease.htm
> > scroll down to treatment, salt dips, read the other one uses of salt.
> > yes. do salt dip first using your hands from front to back of fish to
help strip
> > slime coat off the fish, but move fish at first sign it quits
struggling, then put
> > fish into fresh water with 0.1% salt. most of the parasites will get
stripped off,
> > altho it wont remove the bacteria that are in any wounds. it wont
remove all the
> > parasites either, but if the fish looks and acts pretty healthy then you
can do the
> > treatment like PP or formalin. at the top of the page is the physical,
especially
> > the gills should be bright cherry red if not, then dont put any
treatment in the
> > water. Ingrid
> >
> >
> > "coop" > wrote:
> >
> >>Hi Ingrid, et al: Are you really a doctor, or if not what experience do
you
> >>have with fish? I am not being nasty, simply asking, because I am new
to
> >>the group. I obviously would love to keep this fish and if you think it
is
> >>worth trying, I will. If I can catch him and treat him, would a 35
gallon
> >>aquarium be big enough for a salt bath? How would I do the bath or
dip? -
> >>sorry, just went to rec...goldfish and found your advice.
> >>
> >>I am not sure I understand fully, so to clarify: I will place the fish
in a
> >>bucket of water mixed 1/2 of NON-iodized salt/gallon anywhere from 30
> >>seconds to 5 minutes. I will then remove the fish from the bucket and
place
> >>it in a 35 gallon tank of fresh water. Should I add any salt to this
tank?
> >>How long do I need to keep him in here? What will I see after the dip?
Will
> >>the "algae" fall off? What do I do with the parasite if it is still
there?
> >>
> >>Thanks for all your help,
> >>Ian
> >
> >
> >
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> > http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> > www.drsolo.com
> > Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> > compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> > endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
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