Wish me luck

[gng]

Today I attempt to install a new Sequence 7200 pump on my 2500 gallon pond.
Will keep you posted and post some pics when done. Keep your fingers
crossed that Murphy's Law is broken today.....

Gary

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Wishes, and good vibes, sent your way! ~ jan :o)

>Today I attempt to install a new Sequence 7200 pump on my 2500 gallon pond.
>Will keep you posted and post some pics when done. Keep your fingers
>crossed that Murphy's Law is broken today.....
>
>Gary
>

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[gng]

It works - though I would like a bit more flow. The pond is fitted with
1.5" tubing. Would upgrading to 2" make a difference?
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> Wishes, and good vibes, sent your way! ~ jan :o)
>
> >Today I attempt to install a new Sequence 7200 pump on my 2500 gallon
pond.
> >Will keep you posted and post some pics when done. Keep your fingers
> >crossed that Murphy's Law is broken today.....
> >
> >Gary
> >
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[chagoi]

gng wrote:

> It works - though I would like a bit more flow. The pond is fitted with
> 1.5" tubing. Would upgrading to 2" make a difference?
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Wishes, and good vibes, sent your way! ~ jan :o)
>>
>>
>>>Today I attempt to install a new Sequence 7200 pump on my 2500 gallon
>
> pond.
>
>>>Will keep you posted and post some pics when done. Keep your fingers
>>>crossed that Murphy's Law is broken today.....
>>>
>>>Gary
>>>
>>
>> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
>
>
>
larger pipe = less restriction = more flow

I know this is for PVC, but it shows the relationship between different
sizes



Table1: Saturation Flow Rates for Schedule 40 PVC
Pipe Size Approximate Saturation Flow Rate
1 inch 25 GPM 1500 GPH
1 ½ inch 60 GPM 3600 GPH
2 inch 150 GPM 9000 GPH


Table 2: Maximum Recommended Flow Rates And Pump Sizes
for Various Pipe Sizes
Pipe Size Max Pump Size Approx. Flow Rate with Max Pump Size
1 inch 1/3 hp 15 GPM 900 GPH
1 ¼ inch ½ hp 25 GPM 2100 GPH
1 ½ inch ½ hp 45 GPM 2700 GPH
2 inch 1 hp 75 GPM 4500 GPH
2 ½ inch 1 ½ hp 110 GPM 6600 GPH
3 inch 2 hp 200 GPM 12000 GPH




-- Bigger is better, and less is more
/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com

[chagoi]

chagoi wrote:


> larger pipe = less restriction = more flow
>
> I know this is for PVC, but it shows the relationship between different
> sizes
>
>
>
> Table1: Saturation Flow Rates for Schedule 40 PVC
> Pipe Size Approximate Saturation Flow Rate
> 1 inch 25 GPM 1500 GPH
> 1 ½ inch 60 GPM 3600 GPH
> 2 inch 150 GPM 9000 GPH
>
>
> Table 2: Maximum Recommended Flow Rates And Pump Sizes
> for Various Pipe Sizes
> Pipe Size Max Pump Size Approx. Flow Rate with Max Pump Size
> 1 inch 1/3 hp 15 GPM 900 GPH
> 1 ¼ inch ½ hp 25 GPM 2100 GPH
> 1 ½ inch ½ hp 45 GPM 2700 GPH
> 2 inch 1 hp 75 GPM 4500 GPH
> 2 ½ inch 1 ½ hp 110 GPM 6600 GPH
> 3 inch 2 hp 200 GPM 12000 GPH
>
>
>
>
> -- Bigger is better, and less is more
> /\/\ike
> Chagoi
> http://ourkoipond.com


try this for tables 1 & 2
http://ourkoipond.com/psafr.htm

--
/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com

[gng]

Thanks - it actually looks pretty good right now since the filter was
cleaned. But it looks as if I should change out the 1.5" to 2" if I want a
bigger waterfall. From what I can see, it looks pretty significant. Anyone
out there change out pipe size and notice a big difference? There are some
areas where it must stay 1.5", such as the pipe that is cemented into the
waterfall. Will this negate me changing out the rest of the pipe? Is the
flow only as good as the smallest pipe size?

"chagoi" > wrote in message
...
> chagoi wrote:
>
>
> > larger pipe = less restriction = more flow
> >
> > I know this is for PVC, but it shows the relationship between different
> > sizes
> >
> >
> >
> > Table1: Saturation Flow Rates for Schedule 40 PVC
> > Pipe Size Approximate Saturation Flow Rate
> > 1 inch 25 GPM 1500 GPH
> > 1 ½ inch 60 GPM 3600 GPH
> > 2 inch 150 GPM 9000 GPH
> >
> >
> > Table 2: Maximum Recommended Flow Rates And Pump Sizes
> > for Various Pipe Sizes
> > Pipe Size Max Pump Size Approx. Flow Rate with Max Pump Size
> > 1 inch 1/3 hp 15 GPM 900 GPH
> > 1 ¼ inch ½ hp 25 GPM 2100 GPH
> > 1 ½ inch ½ hp 45 GPM 2700 GPH
> > 2 inch 1 hp 75 GPM 4500 GPH
> > 2 ½ inch 1 ½ hp 110 GPM 6600 GPH
> > 3 inch 2 hp 200 GPM 12000 GPH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -- Bigger is better, and less is more
> > /\/\ike
> > Chagoi
> > http://ourkoipond.com
>
>
> try this for tables 1 & 2
> http://ourkoipond.com/psafr.htm
>
> --
> /\/\ike
> Chagoi
> http://ourkoipond.com

[RichToyBox]

Based on the flow rating of the Sequence 7200, the friction loss for 1.5
inch pipe would be about 50 foot of head per hundred foot of pipe, which
means the pump is not capable of getting that flow. For 2 inch pipe the
head loss is about 11 feet, and that is reasonable. For the 1.5 inch pipe,
the flow is probably about 1/2 what it is capable of.

--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
"gng" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks - it actually looks pretty good right now since the filter was
> cleaned. But it looks as if I should change out the 1.5" to 2" if I want
a
> bigger waterfall. From what I can see, it looks pretty significant.
Anyone
> out there change out pipe size and notice a big difference? There are
some
> areas where it must stay 1.5", such as the pipe that is cemented into the
> waterfall. Will this negate me changing out the rest of the pipe? Is the
> flow only as good as the smallest pipe size?
>
> "chagoi" > wrote in message
> ...
> > chagoi wrote:
> >
> >
> > > larger pipe = less restriction = more flow
> > >
> > > I know this is for PVC, but it shows the relationship between
different
> > > sizes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Table1: Saturation Flow Rates for Schedule 40 PVC
> > > Pipe Size Approximate Saturation Flow Rate
> > > 1 inch 25 GPM 1500 GPH
> > > 1 ½ inch 60 GPM 3600 GPH
> > > 2 inch 150 GPM 9000 GPH
> > >
> > >
> > > Table 2: Maximum Recommended Flow Rates And Pump Sizes
> > > for Various Pipe Sizes
> > > Pipe Size Max Pump Size Approx. Flow Rate with Max Pump
Size
> > > 1 inch 1/3 hp 15 GPM 900 GPH
> > > 1 ¼ inch ½ hp 25 GPM 2100 GPH
> > > 1 ½ inch ½ hp 45 GPM 2700 GPH
> > > 2 inch 1 hp 75 GPM 4500 GPH
> > > 2 ½ inch 1 ½ hp 110 GPM 6600 GPH
> > > 3 inch 2 hp 200 GPM 12000 GPH
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Bigger is better, and less is more
> > > /\/\ike
> > > Chagoi
> > > http://ourkoipond.com
> >
> >
> > try this for tables 1 & 2
> > http://ourkoipond.com/psafr.htm
> >
> > --
> > /\/\ike
> > Chagoi
> > http://ourkoipond.com
>
>

[gng]

Thanks - so the big question is whether it would make any difference at all
if I changed out the input feed tubing with 2" but left the output (to
filter, uv, and waterfall) 1.5". Right now the waterfall is looking great -
should I just forget about it?

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:gsARc.227496$%_6.203565@attbi_s01...
> Based on the flow rating of the Sequence 7200, the friction loss for 1.5
> inch pipe would be about 50 foot of head per hundred foot of pipe, which
> means the pump is not capable of getting that flow. For 2 inch pipe the
> head loss is about 11 feet, and that is reasonable. For the 1.5 inch
pipe,
> the flow is probably about 1/2 what it is capable of.
>
> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
> "gng" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks - it actually looks pretty good right now since the filter was
> > cleaned. But it looks as if I should change out the 1.5" to 2" if I
want
> a
> > bigger waterfall. From what I can see, it looks pretty significant.
> Anyone
> > out there change out pipe size and notice a big difference? There are
> some
> > areas where it must stay 1.5", such as the pipe that is cemented into
the
> > waterfall. Will this negate me changing out the rest of the pipe? Is
the
> > flow only as good as the smallest pipe size?
> >
> > "chagoi" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > chagoi wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > larger pipe = less restriction = more flow
> > > >
> > > > I know this is for PVC, but it shows the relationship between
> different
> > > > sizes
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Table1: Saturation Flow Rates for Schedule 40 PVC
> > > > Pipe Size Approximate Saturation Flow Rate
> > > > 1 inch 25 GPM 1500 GPH
> > > > 1 ½ inch 60 GPM 3600 GPH
> > > > 2 inch 150 GPM 9000 GPH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Table 2: Maximum Recommended Flow Rates And Pump Sizes
> > > > for Various Pipe Sizes
> > > > Pipe Size Max Pump Size Approx. Flow Rate with Max Pump
> Size
> > > > 1 inch 1/3 hp 15 GPM 900 GPH
> > > > 1 ¼ inch ½ hp 25 GPM 2100 GPH
> > > > 1 ½ inch ½ hp 45 GPM 2700 GPH
> > > > 2 inch 1 hp 75 GPM 4500 GPH
> > > > 2 ½ inch 1 ½ hp 110 GPM 6600 GPH
> > > > 3 inch 2 hp 200 GPM 12000 GPH
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -- Bigger is better, and less is more
> > > > /\/\ike
> > > > Chagoi
> > > > http://ourkoipond.com
> > >
> > >
> > > try this for tables 1 & 2
> > > http://ourkoipond.com/psafr.htm
> > >
> > > --
> > > /\/\ike
> > > Chagoi
> > > http://ourkoipond.com
> >
> >
>
>

[chagoi]

I does make a difference on the suction side also.
i.e.

If you get your self a coffee stir, and a soda straw, and try to suck
you soda (pop to all you non-Pennsylvanians) through both of them you
will find it harder to suck it through the smaller straw.

So it is with a pump,
the smaller the suction piping the more the pump has to work, thus less
flow.

The smaller the discharge piping the harder the pump has to work. Thus
less flow but more pressure.

--
/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com

gng wrote:

> Thanks - so the big question is whether it would make any difference at all
> if I changed out the input feed tubing with 2" but left the output (to
> filter, uv, and waterfall) 1.5". Right now the waterfall is looking great -
> should I just forget about it?
>

[RichToyBox]

Changing the input side will do more to increase flow than changing out the
output side, making water available to the pump. A restricted input will
cause the pump to cavitate and wear prematurely. If you are happy with the
current flow, then you do not have to increase the discharge pipe size, but
by changing it you would at least double the flow.

--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
"gng" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks - so the big question is whether it would make any difference at
all
> if I changed out the input feed tubing with 2" but left the output (to
> filter, uv, and waterfall) 1.5". Right now the waterfall is looking
great -
> should I just forget about it?
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:gsARc.227496$%_6.203565@attbi_s01...
> > Based on the flow rating of the Sequence 7200, the friction loss for 1.5
> > inch pipe would be about 50 foot of head per hundred foot of pipe, which
> > means the pump is not capable of getting that flow. For 2 inch pipe the
> > head loss is about 11 feet, and that is reasonable. For the 1.5 inch
> pipe,
> > the flow is probably about 1/2 what it is capable of.
> >
> > --
> > RichToyBox
> > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
> > "gng" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks - it actually looks pretty good right now since the filter was
> > > cleaned. But it looks as if I should change out the 1.5" to 2" if I
> want
> > a
> > > bigger waterfall. From what I can see, it looks pretty significant.
> > Anyone
> > > out there change out pipe size and notice a big difference? There are
> > some
> > > areas where it must stay 1.5", such as the pipe that is cemented into
> the
> > > waterfall. Will this negate me changing out the rest of the pipe? Is
> the
> > > flow only as good as the smallest pipe size?
> > >
> > > "chagoi" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > chagoi wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > larger pipe = less restriction = more flow
> > > > >
> > > > > I know this is for PVC, but it shows the relationship between
> > different
> > > > > sizes
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Table1: Saturation Flow Rates for Schedule 40 PVC
> > > > > Pipe Size Approximate Saturation Flow Rate
> > > > > 1 inch 25 GPM 1500 GPH
> > > > > 1 ½ inch 60 GPM 3600 GPH
> > > > > 2 inch 150 GPM 9000 GPH
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Table 2: Maximum Recommended Flow Rates And Pump Sizes
> > > > > for Various Pipe Sizes
> > > > > Pipe Size Max Pump Size Approx. Flow Rate with Max Pump
> > Size
> > > > > 1 inch 1/3 hp 15 GPM 900 GPH
> > > > > 1 ¼ inch ½ hp 25 GPM 2100 GPH
> > > > > 1 ½ inch ½ hp 45 GPM 2700 GPH
> > > > > 2 inch 1 hp 75 GPM 4500 GPH
> > > > > 2 ½ inch 1 ½ hp 110 GPM 6600 GPH
> > > > > 3 inch 2 hp 200 GPM 12000 GPH
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -- Bigger is better, and less is more
> > > > > /\/\ike
> > > > > Chagoi
> > > > > http://ourkoipond.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > try this for tables 1 & 2
> > > > http://ourkoipond.com/psafr.htm
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > /\/\ike
> > > > Chagoi
> > > > http://ourkoipond.com
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>