Aquatic plant clearance at Lowes

[Roy]

They have miniature water lillys that regularly sold for $1195 listed
at $4.50. Regular sized lillies listed at 9.95 now 3.50 and the
horsetail and other assorted marginals are 2.10. These are the ones
that come prepackaged in a plastic container with a plant basket etc
inside the plastic container (basically the bubs) not a bad deal if
your local Lowes has them in stock yet and have them discounted)
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[chagoi]

CHECK THEM OUT CLOSELY. Many of them are *"! DEAD !"*
Look at the crowns sticking out of the pot. Bend slightly If it is brown
and brittle it is most likely DEAD. I go through them and look for stems
that show some signs of green or are brown, but firm, not squishy or
brittle. I went through the ones at my local HD and found that 90% of
them were dead.

I bought some mini cattails that never sprouted.
I yous lowes or HD is like all the ones around me they only waterered
them 6-8 weeks after they were 1st put on display. God forbid they get
the box wet and water spotted. I'd rather buy a growing plant in a
water-spotted, faded, falling apart cardboard box than a dead one in a
pristine box. After all aren't we purchasing them for the purpose of
growing them?

Last I checked my name wasn't Gomez Addams! And *Not* married to the
Queen of the Rose Thorns"


--
/\/\ike
Chagoi
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Roy wrote:

> They have miniature water lillys that regularly sold for $1195 listed
> at $4.50. Regular sized lillies listed at 9.95 now 3.50 and the
> horsetail and other assorted marginals are 2.10. These are the ones
> that come prepackaged in a plastic container with a plant basket etc
> inside the plastic container (basically the bubs) not a bad deal if
> your local Lowes has them in stock yet and have them discounted)
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> They have miniature water lillys that regularly sold for $1195 listed
> at $4.50. Regular sized lillies listed at 9.95 now 3.50 and the
> horsetail and other assorted marginals are 2.10. These are the ones
> that come prepackaged in a plastic container with a plant basket etc
> inside the plastic container (basically the bubs) not a bad deal if
> your local Lowes has them in stock yet and have them discounted)
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.
================================
I bought some marked down pond plants there 2 weeks ago. They were marked
down to $1.37. The water lilies were all dead in their packages so I
bypassed them. They also had great deals on tropical house plants.

Wal-Mart has great WL in the spring for $4.88. Check them out next year.
--
Carol....
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will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Let's do
it again."
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[Go Fig]

When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same for
gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.

$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
cost per flower. I can luckily grow Tropicals where I live, and I will
get maybe 10x+ the flowers that a hardy will produce... if flowers are
your goal... a little more $$ upfront may be well worth the investment.

jay
Sun Aug 08, 2004






In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> wrote:

> "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > They have miniature water lillys that regularly sold for $1195 listed
> > at $4.50. Regular sized lillies listed at 9.95 now 3.50 and the
> > horsetail and other assorted marginals are 2.10. These are the ones
> > that come prepackaged in a plastic container with a plant basket etc
> > inside the plastic container (basically the bubs) not a bad deal if
> > your local Lowes has them in stock yet and have them discounted)
> > Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> > Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> > I had no input whatsoever.
> > Remove "nospam" from email addy.
> ================================
> I bought some marked down pond plants there 2 weeks ago. They were marked
> down to $1.37. The water lilies were all dead in their packages so I
> bypassed them. They also had great deals on tropical house plants.
>
> Wal-Mart has great WL in the spring for $4.88. Check them out next year.

[news.pcisys.net]

I purchased 2 hardy lilies for $1 each from Lowe's last fall. They
survived the wintering and have produced flowers, 8" - 10" diameter
leaves and are thriving! This year, Lowe's here in Springs did not
carry any water plants. Bummer!

Roy wrote:

> They have miniature water lillys that regularly sold for $1195 listed
> at $4.50. Regular sized lillies listed at 9.95 now 3.50 and the
> horsetail and other assorted marginals are 2.10. These are the ones
> that come prepackaged in a plastic container with a plant basket etc
> inside the plastic container (basically the bubs) not a bad deal if
> your local Lowes has them in stock yet and have them discounted)
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
>
> When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same for
> gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.
>
> $4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> cost per flower.

$$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not the lily.
They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized regularly. I
use Rose Spikes problem into thirds and a clay soil under 2" of pea gravel.
The little mini from Wally-World has no less than 2 flowers all the time.
Sometimes it has 3 open blooms at the same time for example. The red lily
has been blooming since mid June. It usually has one or two flowers, skips
a few days and has several more.....

I can luckily grow Tropicals where I live, and I will
> get maybe 10x+ the flowers that a hardy will produce... if flowers are
> your goal... a little more $$ upfront may be well worth the investment.

$$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people, including
myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant replacement. My
hardies last for years if divided every year. I still have the original
yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which blooms
from mid spring to frost. :-)
--
Carol....
"A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend
will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!" Let's do
it again."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Go Fig]

In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> wrote:

> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same for
> > gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.
> >
> > $4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> > cost per flower.
>
> $$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not the lily.
> They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized regularly.

Which lily ?

> I
> use Rose Spikes problem into thirds and a clay soil under 2" of pea gravel.
> The little mini from Wally-World has no less than 2 flowers all the time.
> Sometimes it has 3 open blooms at the same time for example. The red lily
> has been blooming since mid June. It usually has one or two flowers, skips
> a few days and has several more.....
>
> I can luckily grow Tropicals where I live, and I will
> > get maybe 10x+ the flowers that a hardy will produce... if flowers are
> > your goal... a little more $$ upfront may be well worth the investment.
>
> $$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people, including
> myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant replacement.

Why would Tropicals need to be replaced constantly ?

I can grow hardy lilies with no problem.


> My
> hardies last for years if divided every year.

And if you don't spend this time, you will get little to no flowers.
Many even grow out of their pots during the growing season, and once
that happens... bloom production falls off fast.



> I still have the original
> yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which blooms
> from mid spring to frost. :-)

I doubt there is a profession reference that would conclude hardy
lilies are better bloomers than tropicals, in fact, they all say just
the opposite.

jay
Mon Aug 09, 2004

[Karen]

In article >, Go Fig > writes:

>$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
>cost per flower.

I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after flower
from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
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My Art Studio at
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[Go Fig]

In article >, Karen
> wrote:

> In article >, Go Fig > writes:
>
> >$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> >cost per flower.
>
> I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after
> flower
> from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.

Don't you think that is kinda rare for a hardy lily in its first year ?

jay
Mon Aug 09, 2004



>
> Karen
> Zone 5
> Ashland, OH
> http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
> My Art Studio at
> http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K.M.Studios/K.M.Studios.html
> for email remove the extra extention
>
>
>
>
>

[~ Windsong ~]

"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > wrote:
>
> > "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same for
> > > gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.
> > >
> > > $4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> > > cost per flower.
> >
> > $$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not the
lily.
> > They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized regularly.
>
> Which lily ?

## What do you mean which lily? They all bloom all summer, as long as
they're in a very sunny place.

> > $$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people,
including
> > myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant replacement.

> Why would Tropicals need to be replaced constantly ?

## Because in zone 6 they DIE! Not everyone lives in a tropical or
semi-tropical area.

> I can grow hardy lilies with no problem.

## But you claim they don't bloom for you.

> > My
> > hardies last for years if divided every year.

> And if you don't spend this time, you will get little to no flowers.

## That depends on the lily. Some need repotting every 2 years.

> Many even grow out of their pots during the growing season, and once
> that happens... bloom production falls off fast.

## I only had this happen with the large yellow lilies. Most need
repotting once a year - in spring.

> > I still have the original
> > yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which
blooms
> > from mid spring to frost. :-)

> I doubt there is a profession reference that would conclude hardy
> lilies are better bloomers than tropicals, in fact, they all say just
> the opposite.

## I didn't say hardies are BETTER bloomers than tropical. I said many
people don't want the expense of replacing tropicals every spring. I know I
don't, and they don't survive here in TN over the winter.
--
Carol....
"Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long."
~~<~~<~~{@
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[~ Windsong ~]

"Karen" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Go Fig >
writes:
>
> >$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> >cost per flower.
======
> I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after
flower
> from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.
>
> Karen
=============================
I can't see how anyone can claim a healthy hardy lily, in the sun, potted in
good clay soil and well fertilized would only produce 8 blooms per season.
That's absurd. My Wally-World cheapos have been blooming since shortly
after I potted them up. The best bloomer is that orangy, yellowish, pinkish
mini. What a little beauty. Had I know these were mini's I would have
bought several more for my water barrels. I know I saved the packages they
came in but cannot find them. :-(
--
Carol....
"Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Karen
> > wrote:
>
> > In article >, Go Fig >
writes:
> >
> > >$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> > >cost per flower.
> >
> > I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after
> > flower
> > from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.
>
> Don't you think that is kinda rare for a hardy lily in its first year ?
>
> jay
===========================
That depends on the SIZE of the cutting in the package. These were a nice
size! :-) *Small* cutting/separations I make myself usually do not bloom
well, or only have a few blooms in late summer their first year. Some have
surprised us and bloomed well after a few weeks of independent life in the
pond. Even small cutting of this Yellow variety bloom well their first
year.
--
Carol....
"Two can live as cheaply as one, for half as long."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Go Fig]

In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> wrote:

> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, Karen
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > In article >, Go Fig >
> writes:
> > >
> > > >$4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> > > >cost per flower.
> > >
> > > I bot one of those $4.50 lillies and it has been putting up flower after
> > > flower
> > > from about the 3rd week I put it in the pond.
> >
> > Don't you think that is kinda rare for a hardy lily in its first year ?
> >
> > jay
> ===========================
> That depends on the SIZE of the cutting in the package. These were a nice
> size! :-) *Small* cutting/separations I make myself usually do not bloom
> well, or only have a few blooms in late summer their first year. Some have
> surprised us


Yes, like I said... it is rare to get good production of blooms from
Hardy lilies in the first year.


> and bloomed well after a few weeks of independent life in the
> pond. Even small cutting of this Yellow variety bloom well their first
> year.

There must be only like 15+ yellow hardy lilies.

Do you buy your trees and shrubs the same way... a 'yellow one'. It
makes it hard to discuss the subject with any specificity... you don't
talk about pumps in the same generic terms do you ?

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004

[Karen]

Jay
Some lillies are very prolific others and not quite so busy. Charlene Strawn
blooms continously, but it's a simple flower, while my Gonnere Snowball is a
more complex bloom and doesn't bloom as regularly as Charlene, but it gives me
2 or 3 flowers a week.

And as Carol said, cutting size makes a difference in how long it takes to
bloom. This spring I took 11 cuttings off a lily I bot last fall that needed
repotting then. The larger cuttings have already bloomed, while the smaller
ones have put up many pads, but no blooms yet this year, next year they'll be
ready.

Karen
Zone 5
Ashland, OH
http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
My Art Studio at
http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K.M.Studios/K.M.Studios.html
for email remove the extra extention

[Go Fig]

In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> wrote:

> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same for
> > > > gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.
> > > >
> > > > $4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a high
> > > > cost per flower.
> > >
> > > $$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not the
> lily.
> > > They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized regularly.
> >
> > Which lily ?
>
> ## What do you mean which lily? They all bloom all summer, as long as
> they're in a very sunny place.

The species ?

>
> > > $$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people,
> including
> > > myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant replacement.
>
> > Why would Tropicals need to be replaced constantly ?
>
> ## Because in zone 6 they DIE! Not everyone lives in a tropical or
> semi-tropical area.

I know people that keep them in their basement in NH.

>
> > I can grow hardy lilies with no problem.
>
> ## But you claim they don't bloom for you.

No I didn't!! I said they don't compare to tropicals. I have shown
pictures to the group of Hardy lilies... with the exact name too. I
further have suggested specific species of hardy lilies to grow to the
group.

Setting aside the mottled leaf that tropicals can have, the ease of
care and often viviparous reproduction... you get many more flowers
from tropicals and at the end of the season.

>
> > > My
> > > hardies last for years if divided every year.
>
> > And if you don't spend this time, you will get little to no flowers.
>
> ## That depends on the lily. Some need repotting every 2 years.

I guess a hardy could be repotted every two years... if you plant it
originally in a foot locker.

>
> > Many even grow out of their pots during the growing season, and once
> > that happens... bloom production falls off fast.
>
> ## I only had this happen with the large yellow lilies. Most need
> repotting once a year - in spring.

But it happens a lot for the average ponder.

>
> > > I still have the original
> > > yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which
> blooms
> > > from mid spring to frost. :-)

Could be Joey Tomocik

>
> > I doubt there is a profession reference that would conclude hardy
> > lilies are better bloomers than tropicals, in fact, they all say just
> > the opposite.
>
> ## I didn't say hardies are BETTER bloomers than tropical. I said many
> people don't want the expense of replacing tropicals every spring. I know I
> don't, and they don't survive here in TN over the winter.

That works for you, but not for all. I buy from a HUGE Aquatic
Nursery... it is just as easy and even cheaper for me to pick up a
Hardy vs. a Tropical... but that would not generally be good financial
reasoning.

In April I bought 4 of Carla's Sunshine and Innocence, the most
expensive lilies on the market. They are viviparous, I have more than
20 plants now flowering profusely... not a bad return on investment...
impossible with a hardy, I doubt I will ever but these again.

I'll post a pic of what I mean later.

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004

[Ka30P]

Jay wrote >>They are viviparous<<

I have my first tropical this year (jan knows which one - it's purple!).
It grew a baby lily on a pad and then it popped off and there it is, floating
around, an itty bitty lily! Many of the other pads are developing the same
babies. A new fun twist for a ponder who thought she'd been *all* the way
around the block




kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Go Fig]

In article >, Karen
> wrote:

> Jay
> Some lillies are very prolific others and not quite so busy. Charlene Strawn
> blooms continously, but it's a simple flower, while my Gonnere Snowball is a
> more complex bloom and doesn't bloom as regularly as Charlene, but it gives me
> 2 or 3 flowers a week.

I have recommend this specific lily here... it is a good bloomer for a
hardy. But if you put this next to Crystal or Innocence it will be
like the Gonnere wasn't even there. Additionally, both of these
Tropicals will stay open longer during each day and have longer
flowering season.

>
> And as Carol said, cutting size makes a difference in how long it takes to
> bloom. This spring I took 11 cuttings off a lily I bot last fall that needed
> repotting then. The larger cuttings have already bloomed,

And this is the 8 blooms I referred to, an entire year and maybe 8
blooms... that's if you get a good cutting... not likely at Walmart or
most net suppliers.

So for $5 you get a 'lily' with good chance that it is rotten and if
not, you'll get few if any flowers the 1st year and by next year you'll
be trying to keep it in its container....

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004




> while the smaller
> ones have put up many pads, but no blooms yet this year, next year they'll be
> ready.
>
> Karen
> Zone 5
> Ashland, OH
> http://hometown.aol.com/kmam1/MyPond/MyPond.html
> My Art Studio at
> http://members.aol.com/kmmstudios/K.M.Studios/K.M.Studios.html
> for email remove the extra extention
>
>
>
>
>

[Go Fig]

In article >, Ka30P
> wrote:

> Jay wrote >>They are viviparous<<
>
> I have my first tropical this year (jan knows which one - it's purple!).
> It grew a baby lily on a pad and then it popped off and there it is, floating
> around, an itty bitty lily! Many of the other pads are developing the same
> babies. A new fun twist for a ponder who thought she'd been *all* the way
> around the block

I still have trouble throwing these autonomous living creatures on the
compost pile... but there is only so much space.

I have a friend who is positioning his retirement to grow lilies for
sale, I would like to do that too... I'm with Monet and lilies.

jay
Tue Aug 10, 2004


>
>
>
>
> kathy :-)
> algae primer
> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

> Ka30P wrote:
>
>> Jay wrote >>They are viviparous<<
>>
>> I have my first tropical this year (jan knows which one - it's purple!).

K30 got Panama Pacific, I got Pamela (blue) and Trudy Slocum (white). Ever
since Pamela started blooming, it has been a rare day that there isn't a
bloom (or 2) open. One thing not mentioned is the fragrance they give off,
wonderful, granted you have to get your nose pretty close (at least in a
hot dry climate) but still wonderful. I'm Zone 7 and put in my Lilypond
specifically for tropical lilies, almost mid-August and I've patiently
waited for Red Flare and this new one Trudy to finally get buds up to the
surface, but I know in the end the wait will be worth it.

I keep my T.Lilies inside in a small heated pond over winter, but I'm going
to experiment with a baby T.lily I took off the red flare and is growing
well in the pond. Supposedly one person in our club took theirs out last
winter and put them in garbage bags (still potted) and stored them in the
garage. Come spring he put them out and they prospered. I need to get the
full story from him, but I plan to try his way with that extra red flare.
The only downside with tropicals is they need to be fed almost as much as a
lotus. As far as price, this is the place we ordered from:
http://gardenponds.com/tropicallilies01.htm all T.lilies $14. Going
together (3 friends) kept the shipping down and our lilies cost us less
than $20/each. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > wrote:
>
> > "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same
for
> > > > > gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > $4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a
high
> > > > > cost per flower.
> > > >
> > > > $$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not
the
> > lily.
> > > > They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized
regularly.
> > >
> > > Which lily ?
> >
> > ## What do you mean which lily? They all bloom all summer, as long as
> > they're in a very sunny place.
>
> The species ?

$$ What species? All the box gives is the name of water lily. Why would
anyone care about species unless they were going to start hybridizing or
breeding them.

> > > > $$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people,
> > including
> > > > myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant
replacement.
> >
> > > Why would Tropicals need to be replaced constantly ?
> >
> > ## Because in zone 6 they DIE! Not everyone lives in a tropical or
> > semi-tropical area.

> I know people that keep them in their basement in NH.

$$ I'm sure the lily loved the cold dark basement. :-) I leave my
hardies right were they are year round. I don't have a basement. I have a
crawl space under my house. Many houses don't even have that. They're on
slabs.

> > > I can grow hardy lilies with no problem.
> >
> > ## But you claim they don't bloom for you.

> No I didn't!! I said they don't compare to tropicals. I have shown
> pictures to the group of Hardy lilies... with the exact name too. I
> further have suggested specific species of hardy lilies to grow to the
> group.

$$ Then what are you trying to say? If you're just pushing tropicals ok, if
not, then what?

> Setting aside the mottled leaf that tropicals can have, the ease of
> care and often viviparous reproduction... you get many more flowers
> from tropicals and at the end of the season.

$$ And then what? You have to have a heated, well lit basement full of tubs
or tanks to winter them over.....

> > > > My
> > > > hardies last for years if divided every year.
> >
> > > And if you don't spend this time, you will get little to no flowers.
> >
> > ## That depends on the lily. Some need repotting every 2 years.
>
> I guess a hardy could be repotted every two years... if you plant it
> originally in a foot locker.

$$ Or use roomy pots to start with. Sure seems like less work then going
the "basement" routine with tropicals. And not everyone has a basement.

> > > Many even grow out of their pots during the growing season, and once
> > > that happens... bloom production falls off fast.

> > ## I only had this happen with the large yellow lilies. Most need
> > repotting once a year - in spring.

> But it happens a lot for the average ponder.

$$ So? Is it any more work repotting a hardy every spring then going the
"basement" routine with tropicals? Even if I had a basement I can't imagine
it full of water tanks and full spectrum lights. Seems like a lot more work
and expense than repotting the hardies once a year. I'm sure the tropicals
like a yearly repotting and some fertilizer Tabs as well.

> > > > I still have the original
> > > > yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which
> > blooms
> > > > from mid spring to frost. :-)

> Could be Joey Tomocik

$$ No, that's not the name.

> > > I doubt there is a profession reference that would conclude hardy
> > > lilies are better bloomers than tropicals, in fact, they all say just
> > > the opposite.

> > ## I didn't say hardies are BETTER bloomers than tropical. I said many
> > people don't want the expense of replacing tropicals every spring. I
know I
> > don't, and they don't survive here in TN over the winter.

> That works for you, but not for all. I buy from a HUGE Aquatic
> Nursery... it is just as easy and even cheaper for me to pick up a
> Hardy vs. a Tropical... but that would not generally be good financial
> reasoning.

$$ If they live over for you then they're worth buying once.

> In April I bought 4 of Carla's Sunshine and Innocence, the most
> expensive lilies on the market. They are viviparous, I have more than
> 20 plants now flowering profusely... not a bad return on investment...
> impossible with a hardy, I doubt I will ever but these again.

$$ As I said, if they live over for you, then they're worth the investment.
They don't live over in the northern part of the country and so aren't a
good investment for us in the lower zones.

> I'll post a pic of what I mean later.
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"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > That depends on the SIZE of the cutting in the package. These were a
nice
> > size! :-) *Small* cutting/separations I make myself usually do not
bloom
> > well, or only have a few blooms in late summer their first year. Some
have
> > surprised us
>
>
> Yes, like I said... it is rare to get good production of blooms from
> Hardy lilies in the first year.
>
>
> > and bloomed well after a few weeks of independent life in the
> > pond. Even small cutting of this Yellow variety bloom well their first
> > year.

> There must be only like 15+ yellow hardy lilies.

## At least. ;-) The names mean nothing to me since I don't breed or sell
them. I give them away or compost them.

> Do you buy your trees and shrubs the same way... a 'yellow one'.

## Since I'm not out to impress anyone - yes. If it's a nice shrub and it
fits the spot I have for it, and it's hardy where I live - I will buy it.
Who cares what it's name is? I live on over an acre of mostly landscaped
property. There are more plants than I can remember the names of. And
since almost no one around here would know the names of water lilies,
shrubs, trees, perennials etc. why keep written lists of what I have?

It
> makes it hard to discuss the subject with any specificity... you don't
> talk about pumps in the same generic terms do you ?

## That depends on the "talk."
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"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Karen
>
> So for $5 you get a 'lily' with good chance that it is rotten and if
> not, you'll get few if any flowers the 1st year and by next year you'll
> be trying to keep it in its container....
==========================
Since you obviously don't like the hardy lilies then I'm sure you wont
"bother" with them. Most of us don't mind repotting our hardies once a
year. It's a lot less work then pulling them up in the fall and trying to
keep alive them over the winter. Then replacing them, after a repotting,
back in the ponds in the spring. I pull mine up in the spring and seperate
them then. Extras are given away and a large cutting repotted to keep.
That's it! I stick a broken Rose Spike in the soil a few times over the
summer.

As for the $4.88 water lilies from Wal-Mart. The bags are such that you can
open the box which the store allows and EXAMINE the lily as I did. Inside
the box was the lily cutting in some kind of damp fiber. All had small
healthy looking leaves and all lived and thrived. Four are blooming,
including the red one I dropped and broke half it's leaves and buds off 2
weeks ago (we cleaned the pond). WW will take them back if they're dead or
they die. I found the old boxes they came in. The names are:

Sioux (Nymphea) this is a mini of some kind. The color changes day by day.
Fabiola Pink - pink
Red Attraction - red
Alba White - a nice medium sized white snowball like flower.
James Brydon - red
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[Go Fig]

In article >, ~ jan
JJsPond.us > wrote:

> > Ka30P wrote:
> >
> >> Jay wrote >>They are viviparous<<
> >>
> >> I have my first tropical this year (jan knows which one - it's purple!).
>
> K30 got Panama Pacific, I got Pamela (blue) and Trudy Slocum (white). Ever
> since Pamela started blooming, it has been a rare day that there isn't a
> bloom (or 2) open. One thing not mentioned is the fragrance they give off,
> wonderful, granted you have to get your nose pretty close (at least in a
> hot dry climate) but still wonderful. I'm Zone 7 and put in my Lilypond
> specifically for tropical lilies, almost mid-August and I've patiently
> waited for Red Flare and this new one Trudy to finally get buds up to the
> surface, but I know in the end the wait will be worth it.

They are worth it, but they are night bloomers and they need warmer
water to be really productive.

Panama has always been a favorite of mine... very long flowering season.

jay
Wed Aug 11, 2004



>
> I keep my T.Lilies inside in a small heated pond over winter, but I'm going
> to experiment with a baby T.lily I took off the red flare and is growing
> well in the pond. Supposedly one person in our club took theirs out last
> winter and put them in garbage bags (still potted) and stored them in the
> garage. Come spring he put them out and they prospered. I need to get the
> full story from him, but I plan to try his way with that extra red flare.
> The only downside with tropicals is they need to be fed almost as much as a
> lotus. As far as price, this is the place we ordered from:
> http://gardenponds.com/tropicallilies01.htm all T.lilies $14. Going
> together (3 friends) kept the shipping down and our lilies cost us less
> than $20/each. ~ jan
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Go Fig]

In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> wrote:

> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > When I buy a citrus tree, I shop for the exact species, the same
> for
> > > > > > gardenias, azaleas and the same goes for lilies for me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > $4.50 is real cheap, but if you get 8 flowers all season, thats a
> high
> > > > > > cost per flower.
> > > > >
> > > > > $$ If I got only 8 flowers per season I would blame myself - not
> the
> > > lily.
> > > > > They bloom like crazy if they're in the sun and fertilized
> regularly.
> > > >
> > > > Which lily ?
> > >
> > > ## What do you mean which lily? They all bloom all summer, as long as
> > > they're in a very sunny place.
> >
> > The species ?
>
> $$ What species? All the box gives is the name of water lily. Why would
> anyone care about species unless they were going to start hybridizing or
> breeding them.

So you could replace it if it dies?

>
> > > > > $$ Your climate may be too HOT for hardy lilies. Some people,
> > > including
> > > > > myself, have no interest in tropicals that need constant
> replacement.
> > >
> > > > Why would Tropicals need to be replaced constantly ?
> > >
> > > ## Because in zone 6 they DIE! Not everyone lives in a tropical or
> > > semi-tropical area.
>
> > I know people that keep them in their basement in NH.
>
> $$ I'm sure the lily loved the cold dark basement. :-) I leave my
> hardies right were they are year round. I don't have a basement. I have a
> crawl space under my house. Many houses don't even have that. They're on
> slabs.
>
> > > > I can grow hardy lilies with no problem.
> > >
> > > ## But you claim they don't bloom for you.
>
> > No I didn't!! I said they don't compare to tropicals. I have shown
> > pictures to the group of Hardy lilies... with the exact name too. I
> > further have suggested specific species of hardy lilies to grow to the
> > group.
>
> $$ Then what are you trying to say? If you're just pushing tropicals ok, if
> not, then what?

You don't get my point ? Tropicals can be a far better investment.

Clear enough ?


>
> > Setting aside the mottled leaf that tropicals can have, the ease of
> > care and often viviparous reproduction... you get many more flowers
> > from tropicals and at the end of the season.
>
> $$ And then what? You have to have a heated, well lit basement full of tubs
> or tanks to winter them over.....

They are stored there, you're not trying to grow them.
>
> > > > > My
> > > > > hardies last for years if divided every year.
> > >
> > > > And if you don't spend this time, you will get little to no flowers.
> > >
> > > ## That depends on the lily. Some need repotting every 2 years.
> >
> > I guess a hardy could be repotted every two years... if you plant it
> > originally in a foot locker.
>
> $$ Or use roomy pots to start with. Sure seems like less work then going
> the "basement" routine with tropicals. And not everyone has a basement.
>
> > > > Many even grow out of their pots during the growing season, and once
> > > > that happens... bloom production falls off fast.
>
> > > ## I only had this happen with the large yellow lilies. Most need
> > > repotting once a year - in spring.
>
> > But it happens a lot for the average ponder.
>
> $$ So? Is it any more work repotting a hardy every spring then going the
> "basement" routine with tropicals? Even if I had a basement I can't imagine
> it full of water tanks and full spectrum lights.

Again, they are being stored.

> Seems like a lot more work
> and expense than repotting the hardies once a year. I'm sure the tropicals
> like a yearly repotting and some fertilizer Tabs as well.
>
> > > > > I still have the original
> > > > > yellows (they all had names which I have long since forgotten) which
> > > blooms
> > > > > from mid spring to frost. :-)
>
> > Could be Joey Tomocik
>
> $$ No, that's not the name.
>
> > > > I doubt there is a profession reference that would conclude hardy
> > > > lilies are better bloomers than tropicals, in fact, they all say just
> > > > the opposite.
>
> > > ## I didn't say hardies are BETTER bloomers than tropical. I said many
> > > people don't want the expense of replacing tropicals every spring. I
> know I
> > > don't, and they don't survive here in TN over the winter.
>
> > That works for you, but not for all. I buy from a HUGE Aquatic
> > Nursery... it is just as easy and even cheaper for me to pick up a
> > Hardy vs. a Tropical... but that would not generally be good financial
> > reasoning.
>
> $$ If they live over for you then they're worth buying once.
>
> > In April I bought 4 of Carla's Sunshine and Innocence, the most
> > expensive lilies on the market. They are viviparous, I have more than
> > 20 plants now flowering profusely... not a bad return on investment...
> > impossible with a hardy, I doubt I will ever but these again.
>
> $$ As I said, if they live over for you, then they're worth the investment.
> They don't live over in the northern part of the country and so aren't a
> good investment for us in the lower zones.

Guess that depends on the desired effect, surely people in your area
buy annuals for their yards... are petunias a bad investment ?

Have you ever grown any tropical lily to be able to speak from
experience ?

jay
Wed Aug 11, 2004



>
> > I'll post a pic of what I mean later.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Mine should love the next 2 weeks, predicted high 90's low 100s.
~ jan

>They are worth it, but they are night bloomers and they need warmer
>water to be really productive.
>
>Panama has always been a favorite of mine... very long flowering season.
>
>jay
>Wed Aug 11, 2004

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> I keep my T.Lilies inside in a small heated pond over winter, but I'm
going
> to experiment with a baby T.lily I took off the red flare and is growing
> well in the pond. Supposedly one person in our club took theirs out last
> winter and put them in garbage bags (still potted) and stored them in the
> garage. Come spring he put them out and they prospered. I need to get the
> full story from him, but I plan to try his way with that extra red flare.
> The only downside with tropicals is they need to be fed almost as much as
a
> lotus. As far as price, this is the place we ordered from:
> http://gardenponds.com/tropicallilies01.htm all T.lilies $14. Going
> together (3 friends) kept the shipping down and our lilies cost us less
> than $20/each. ~ jan
==============================
Keeping them alive over the winter is what discouraged me from trying the T
lilies. I have no basement and the garage and outbuilding are not heated
although both have electricity/lights. Anything out there will freeze. The
H lilies spend the winter right in the ponds and kiddy pools. My sunroom is
packed in winter - there's simply no more room in there for more plants. I
don't know where I'll keep my Taros over the winter. :-(
--
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[~ Windsong ~]

"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> >
> > $$ What species? All the box gives is the name of water lily. Why
would
> > anyone care about species unless they were going to start hybridizing or
> > breeding them.
>
> So you could replace it if it dies?

## I can live without any that die. :-)

> > > I know people that keep them in their basement in NH.

> > $$ I'm sure the lily loved the cold dark basement. :-) I leave my
> > hardies right were they are year round. I don't have a basement. I
have a
> > crawl space under my house. Many houses don't even have that. They're
on
> > slabs.

> > > No I didn't!! I said they don't compare to tropicals. I have shown
> > > pictures to the group of Hardy lilies... with the exact name too. I
> > > further have suggested specific species of hardy lilies to grow to the
> > > group.

> > $$ Then what are you trying to say? If you're just pushing tropicals
ok, if
> > not, then what?

> You don't get my point ? Tropicals can be a far better investment.

## INVESTMENT for what? Do you plan to breed and sell them?

> Clear enough ?

## No, explain how they're a an investment. An investment in something that
will probably die in less than a year seems like a poor investment to me.

> > $$ And then what? You have to have a heated, well lit basement full of
tubs
> > or tanks to winter them over.....

> They are stored there, you're not trying to grow them.

## How are they stored? In bags of damp peat? In pots siting in water?
Are the roots dried off like a Caladium? What if a person doesn't have a
basement?

> > > But it happens a lot for the average ponder.
> >
> > $$ So? Is it any more work repotting a hardy every spring then going
the
> > "basement" routine with tropicals? Even if I had a basement I can't
imagine
> > it full of water tanks and full spectrum lights.

> Again, they are being stored.

## See above. How are they stored?

> > $$ As I said, if they live over for you, then they're worth the
investment.
> > They don't live over in the northern part of the country and so aren't a
> > good investment for us in the lower zones.

> Guess that depends on the desired effect, surely people in your area
> buy annuals for their yards... are petunias a bad investment ?

## Petunias and marigolds don't cost $20 to $30 each plus shipping.

> Have you ever grown any tropical lily to be able to speak from
> experience ?

## Have you ever kept any over the winter with no basement - from
experience? Tell us in the colder climes how to keep them over.
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[Go Fig]

In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> wrote:

> "Go Fig" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > >
> > > $$ What species? All the box gives is the name of water lily. Why
> would
> > > anyone care about species unless they were going to start hybridizing or
> > > breeding them.
> >
> > So you could replace it if it dies?
>
> ## I can live without any that die. :-)

But you might just buy it again w/out knowing the name.

>
> > > > I know people that keep them in their basement in NH.
>
> > > $$ I'm sure the lily loved the cold dark basement. :-) I leave my
> > > hardies right were they are year round. I don't have a basement. I
> have a
> > > crawl space under my house. Many houses don't even have that. They're
> on
> > > slabs.
>
> > > > No I didn't!! I said they don't compare to tropicals. I have shown
> > > > pictures to the group of Hardy lilies... with the exact name too. I
> > > > further have suggested specific species of hardy lilies to grow to the
> > > > group.
>
> > > $$ Then what are you trying to say? If you're just pushing tropicals
> ok, if
> > > not, then what?
>
> > You don't get my point ? Tropicals can be a far better investment.
>
> ## INVESTMENT for what? Do you plan to breed and sell them?
>
> > Clear enough ?
>
> ## No, explain how they're a an investment. An investment in something that
> will probably die in less than a year seems like a poor investment to me.

Again, it is not about you. Perhaps as much as 60 million Americans
could grow Tropical lilies w/out any threat of winter... to say nothing
for the rest of the world.

The investment could be flowers/cost... to say nothing about their
often mottled leaf and that many tropical lily flowers rise 10" out of
the water.

>
> > > $$ And then what? You have to have a heated, well lit basement full of
> tubs
> > > or tanks to winter them over.....
>
> > They are stored there, you're not trying to grow them.
>
> ## How are they stored? In bags of damp peat? In pots siting in water?
> Are the roots dried off like a Caladium? What if a person doesn't have a
> basement?


My friends in NH keep them in their pots in a water bath IIRC.

What if you live in zone 10 or 11 ?

>
> > > > But it happens a lot for the average ponder.
> > >
> > > $$ So? Is it any more work repotting a hardy every spring then going
> the
> > > "basement" routine with tropicals? Even if I had a basement I can't
> imagine
> > > it full of water tanks and full spectrum lights.
>
> > Again, they are being stored.
>
> ## See above. How are they stored?
>
> > > $$ As I said, if they live over for you, then they're worth the
> investment.
> > > They don't live over in the northern part of the country and so aren't a
> > > good investment for us in the lower zones.
>
> > Guess that depends on the desired effect, surely people in your area
> > buy annuals for their yards... are petunias a bad investment ?
>
> ## Petunias and marigolds don't cost $20 to $30 each plus shipping.

But they do grow them ? How much does a flat cost at your Home Depot ?

>
> > Have you ever grown any tropical lily to be able to speak from
> > experience ?
>
> ## Have you ever kept any over the winter with no basement - from
> experience?

No. Have you ever grown Tropical lilies ?

> Tell us in the colder climes how to keep them over.

Store them in a protected environment.

jay
Wed Aug 11, 2004

[~ Windsong ~]

"Go Fig" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, ~ Windsong ~
> > wrote:
> >
> > ## I can live without any that die. :-)
>
> But you might just buy it again w/out knowing the name.

$ That's possible. I usually end up trading with friends.

> > ## No, explain how they're a an investment. An investment in something
that
> > will probably die in less than a year seems like a poor investment to
me.

> Again, it is not about you. Perhaps as much as 60 million Americans
> could grow Tropical lilies w/out any threat of winter... to say nothing
> for the rest of the world.

$ But I never even suggested people in those tropical and semi-tropical
areas are wasting their money on these T lilies. :-) If I lived in a
tropical area I would probably have these lilies as well. I'm talking about
those of us who do NOT live in tropical climes.

> The investment could be flowers/cost... to say nothing about their
> often mottled leaf and that many tropical lily flowers rise 10" out of
> the water.

$ I'm sure they are beautiful as I've seen pics of them. But for those of
us in the colder areas of the country they are a waste of money if they need
yearly replacement at $20 to $30 a plant - plus S&H charges. Of course
some people have a lot of extra cash laying around.....

> > ## How are they stored? In bags of damp peat? In pots siting in water?
> > Are the roots dried off like a Caladium? What if a person doesn't have
a
> > basement?

> My friends in NH keep them in their pots in a water bath IIRC.
<---IIRC???

$ Your friends in NH you calimed have a BASEMENT. Many people don't have a
basement although they live in a house. What is IIRC? What does that mean?

> What if you live in zone 10 or 11 ?

$ What if? I already told you I live in zone 6. Anyone living in 10 and
11 wouldn't have a problem keeping them over. The rest of us, millions and
millions of us live in zone 3 to 9. So if we don't have a well lit heated
basement we don't need to bother with these T lilies.


> > ## Petunias and marigolds don't cost $20 to $30 each plus shipping.

> But they do grow them ? How much does a flat cost at your Home Depot ?

$ I don't know. A flat would be enough to plant a nice size flower bed and
seeds can be kept for the following year. Some reseed themselves as they do
in my gardens. One T lily would be lost in a typical 2000 gallon pond.
That's up to the person and how much they care to spend for one plant. If
they see the T lily as a temporary plant and don't mind spending $25+ each
year to replace it who cares? :-) I see it as a waste of money. To each
his/her own.

> > ## Have you ever kept any over the winter with no basement - from
> > experience?

> No. Have you ever grown Tropical lilies ?

$ No, I can't justify spending $125 to $150 a year just to replace water
lilies. I'd rather use the money for water pumps, decorative stone and
bark etc.

> > Tell us in the colder climes how to keep them over.

> Store them in a protected environment.

$ How? In large tubs of water in our livingrooms? Or diningrooms?
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"If you must choose between two evils, pick the one you've never tried
before."
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