Barley straw question

[elaine]

We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing a
bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the
suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab.
Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about killing
the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS has
bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO
says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard
this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
Thanks for the help
Elaine

[Granny Grump]

>bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO
>says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard
>this but this whole pond thing is new to me.

Yup, it does indeed! Dark tea brown too!
been there, did that.....still trying to get the water to clear up :(

[Gareee©]

"Granny Grump" > wrote in message
...
>
> >bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO
> >says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard
> >this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
>
> Yup, it does indeed! Dark tea brown too!
> been there, did that.....still trying to get the water to clear up :(

Same here.. I think I prefer the dark tea brown to the green though.. ;)


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[Karen]

try adding a layer or 2 of quilt batting to the final stage of your filter
before the water returns to the pond. it will catch an awful lot of greenies.
you may need to replace it once as it will get clogged quickly.

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[Granny Grump]

>try adding a layer or 2 of quilt batting to the final stage of your filter
>before the water returns to the pond. it will catch an awful lot of greenies.
>you may need to replace it once as it will get clogged quickly.

Taking out the plants is a pain :(
LOL
Reckon brown water will do for this year...will add batting next
spring and start fresh.

[elaine]

YUP have been doing that...luckily have a "huge" roll (4'x?lots) especially
since it needs to be changed around every 2 days(6 squares 12"x15"). Hmm
think I prefer brown to green to if the clarity improves. May have to work
on the SO's sense of adventure.

Elaine
"Granny Grump" > wrote in message
...
>
> >try adding a layer or 2 of quilt batting to the final stage of your
filter
> >before the water returns to the pond. it will catch an awful lot of
greenies.
> >you may need to replace it once as it will get clogged quickly.
>
> Taking out the plants is a pain :(
> LOL
> Reckon brown water will do for this year...will add batting next
> spring and start fresh.

[Sue Walsh]

Granny Grump > wrote in message >...

> Reckon brown water will do for this year...will add batting next
> spring and start fresh.


This was posted last year.

"Plaster of Paris mixed, pour in an egg carton. 2 pucks (eggs) per
500 gallons of water.....
Magnesium and calcium, ok for fish and it removes tannins from
water....
Doing this for 3 years, works great....."

I just kept it, but never tried it. If you try it let me know if it
works.

You can see my "Rippling Waters" Pond at
http://community.webshots.com/user/aspenjd

Sue W
Brooksville, FL

[Doctor John]

I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess
some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of
it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags!

Dr. John
"elaine" > wrote in message
. ..
> We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing
a
> bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the
> suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab.
> Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about
killing
> the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS
has
> bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO
> says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard
> this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
> Thanks for the help
> Elaine
>
>

[Ka30P]

Dr. John wrote >>I put bags of
it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags!<<

LOL! Well now, that's just adding insult to
injury!

kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[news.pcisys.net]

So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks
at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter
this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does
not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard.
Where are you in Colorado?
W. Dale

Doctor John wrote:
> I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess
> some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags of
> it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the bags!
>
> Dr. John
> "elaine" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>>We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is clearing
>
> a
>
>>bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make the
>>suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to grab.
>>Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about
>
> killing
>
>>the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS
>
> has
>
>>bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO
>>says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard
>>this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
>>Thanks for the help
>>Elaine
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

[Doctor John]

I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins...

I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive
results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My
experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that
under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level
of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect.
Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely
straw :-) ??



"news.pcisys.net" > wrote in message
...
> So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks
> at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter
> this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does
> not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard.
> Where are you in Colorado?
> W. Dale
>
> Doctor John wrote:
> > I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess
> > some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags
of
> > it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the
bags!
> >
> > Dr. John
> > "elaine" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >
> >>We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is
clearing
> >
> > a
> >
> >>bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make
the
> >>suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to
grab.
> >>Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about
> >
> > killing
> >
> >>the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS
> >
> > has
> >
> >>bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO
> >>says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard
> >>this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
> >>Thanks for the help
> >>Elaine
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[RichToyBox]

Doctor John,

About 40 years ago, I lived in Larimer County also, probably a little
farther up in the mountains at Estes Park. Was back last year for class
reunion. Country is still beautiful, but for a flat lander, the elevation
was a little hard to take.

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"Doctor John" > wrote in message
...
> I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins...
>
> I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive
> results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My
> experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be
that
> under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level
> of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect.
> Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of
barely
> straw :-) ??
>
>
>
> "news.pcisys.net" > wrote in message
> ...
> > So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks
> > at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter
> > this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does
> > not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard.
> > Where are you in Colorado?
> > W. Dale
> >
> > Doctor John wrote:
> > > I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I
guess
> > > some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put
bags
> of
> > > it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the
> bags!
> > >
> > > Dr. John
> > > "elaine" > wrote in message
> > > . ..
> > >
> > >>We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is
> clearing
> > >
> > > a
> > >
> > >>bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make
> the
> > >>suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to
> grab.
> > >>Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about
> > >
> > > killing
> > >
> > >>the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The
LFS
> > >
> > > has
> > >
> > >>bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the
SO
> > >>says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never
heard
> > >>this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
> > >>Thanks for the help
> > >>Elaine
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

[MattR]

I'm in Fort Collins.

I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae
decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the
iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and
the WH too.

Doctor John wrote:
> I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins...
>
> I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive
> results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My
> experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be that
> under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature, level
> of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect.
> Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of barely
> straw :-) ??
>
>
>
> "news.pcisys.net" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks
>>at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter
>>this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does
>>not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard.
>>Where are you in Colorado?
>>W. Dale
>>
>>Doctor John wrote:
>>
>>>I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I guess
>>>some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags
>>
> of
>
>>>it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the
>>
> bags!
>
>>>Dr. John
>>>"elaine" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>>We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is
>>>
> clearing
>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make
>>>
> the
>
>>>>suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to
>>>
> grab.
>
>>>>Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about
>>>
>>>killing
>>>
>>>
>>>>the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The LFS
>>>
>>>has
>>>
>>>
>>>>bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the SO
>>>>says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never heard
>>>>this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
>>>>Thanks for the help
>>>>Elaine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>
>

[G & K Meyer]

I'm in Castle Rock Colorado and I think that the straw may be the answer to
my trouble with algae. I had spent $$ for the straw I got at the garden
center this spring, but I think that is why I did not have the algae problem
this year like I had last year. So I now got a 80 pound bale (for 1/2 what
I paid for the two hands full) and making my own little bags for my pound.
The ones that I got from the garden center where all but gone and started to
see the algae coming back. My pond get sun all day so the algae really can
take off, but this year we have had maybe a few hands full that I pulled
out. Last year I was taking ice-cream pails full out every week.
"MattR" > wrote in message
...
> I'm in Fort Collins.
>
> I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae
> decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the
> iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and
> the WH too.
>
> Doctor John wrote:
> > I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins...
> >
> > I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive
> > results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My
> > experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be
that
> > under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature,
level
> > of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect.
> > Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of
barely
> > straw :-) ??
> >
> >
> >
> > "news.pcisys.net" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >>So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks
> >>at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter
> >>this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does
> >>not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard.
> >>Where are you in Colorado?
> >>W. Dale
> >>
> >>Doctor John wrote:
> >>
> >>>I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I
guess
> >>>some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags
> >>
> > of
> >
> >>>it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the
> >>
> > bags!
> >
> >>>Dr. John
> >>>"elaine" > wrote in message
> . ..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is
> >>>
> > clearing
> >
> >>>a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make
> >>>
> > the
> >
> >>>>suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to
> >>>
> > grab.
> >
> >>>>Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about
> >>>
> >>>killing
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The
LFS
> >>>
> >>>has
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the
SO
> >>>>says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never
heard
> >>>>this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
> >>>>Thanks for the help
> >>>>Elaine
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
>

[news.pcisys.net]

I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem.
Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should
not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in
the bio filter either.
Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water.
Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of
partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should
come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.)
Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-))))
W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs)

G & K Meyer wrote:
> I'm in Castle Rock Colorado and I think that the straw may be the answer to
> my trouble with algae. I had spent $$ for the straw I got at the garden
> center this spring, but I think that is why I did not have the algae problem
> this year like I had last year. So I now got a 80 pound bale (for 1/2 what
> I paid for the two hands full) and making my own little bags for my pound.
> The ones that I got from the garden center where all but gone and started to
> see the algae coming back. My pond get sun all day so the algae really can
> take off, but this year we have had maybe a few hands full that I pulled
> out. Last year I was taking ice-cream pails full out every week.
> "MattR" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>I'm in Fort Collins.
>>
>>I tried barley pellets and the verdict is still out. The string algae
>>decreased but now the iris and WH are getting pale. So I fertilized the
>>iris and we'll see. Ofcourse, that hail storm a week ago did a job and
>>the WH too.
>>
>>Doctor John wrote:
>>
>>>I'm in the mountains outside of Fort Collins...
>>>
>>>I just don't get this barley straw thing. I've read of many positive
>>>results, and even a couple research papers which indicated it works. My
>>>experience with it has been disappointing, to say the least. It may be
>
> that
>
>>>under very specific circumstances - pH, nutrient level, temperature,
>
> level
>
>>>of string algae infestation, etc. - barely straw will have some effect.
>>>Anyway, I'll never use it again. Anyone want to buy my two bales of
>
> barely
>
>>>straw :-) ??
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"news.pcisys.net" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>So did I DJ. Did not do much to clear my water. Even a bunch of folks
>>>>at PPWGS here in Springs, swear by it. I am building a veggie filter
>>>>this weekend. Nothing to lose except murky water. And even if it does
>>>>not clear things up, will be a nice landscaping to the back yard.
>>>>Where are you in Colorado?
>>>>W. Dale
>>>>
>>>>Doctor John wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I've tried barely straw and found it to be totally ineffective. I
>
> guess
>
>>>>>some people report that it works - maybe in a warm climate. I put bags
>>>>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>it in my pond here in Colorado, and the string algae is growing on the
>>>>
>>>bags!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Dr. John
>>>>>"elaine" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>We are still fighting the green pond thing although the water is
>>>>>
>>>clearing
>>>
>>>
>>>>>a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>bit, thanks in part to something from Laguna that is supposed to make
>>>>>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>suspended alagae clump therefore making it easier for your filter to
>>>>>
>>>grab.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>Not a big fan of the chemical thing, but since it said nothing about
>>>>>
>>>>>killing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>the algae I figured I would let the SO have his way and try it. The
>
> LFS
>
>>>>>has
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>bags of Barley straw pellets on sale that I would like to try but the
>
> SO
>
>>>>>>says that the tannins in it will turn the pond brown? I had never
>
> heard
>
>>>>>>this but this whole pond thing is new to me.
>>>>>>Thanks for the help
>>>>>>Elaine
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>
>

[MattR]

What kind of filter do you have now? Size, media, etc.

Thanks

news.pcisys.net wrote:
> I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
> from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem.
> Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should
> not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in
> the bio filter either.
> Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water.
> Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of
> partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should
> come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.)
> Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-))))
> W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs)

[Larry]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 06:16:12 -0600, "news.pcisys.net"
> wrote:

>I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
>from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem.
>Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should
> not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in
>the bio filter either.
>Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water.
>Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of
>partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should
>come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to arrive.)
>Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-))))
>W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs)


Newbie here. I have just a little waterfall pond and won't be getting
string algae. But can you tell me how the straw helps in your larger
ponds and does anything happen to the pond over years Straw is not
degradable is it?

TIA

Larry
Southern Ontario

[Stephen M. Henning]

"news.pcisys.net" > wrote:

> I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
> from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem.
> Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should
> not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in
> the bio filter either.
> Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water.

It needs to be at the surface. Place straw in return portion of the
bio-filter and/or anywhere in the pond where good water flow and current
occur. Sunlight and water flow are curcial elements in the decomposition
process. Make sure you use both elements in choosing the location for
your bag(s) to be placed.

When properly applied, naturally occurring microorganisms decompose the
lignins in the barley, releasing humic substances (dissolved organic
carbon) in the water. In the presence of sunlight and oxygen, these
compounds are converted into low levels of hydrogen peroxide. The
hydrogen peroxide is the component that modifies the pond chemistry to
improve pond clarity. Hydrogen peroxide itself is relatively unstable
and does not persist in water, but the slow release effect from the
barley straw provides a constant source of hydrogen peroxide. The
effects from barley straw will begin as early as one to two weeks after
installation, and will remain effective for between four and six months.

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[Granny Grump]

>Newbie here. I have just a little waterfall pond and won't be getting
>string algae. But can you tell me how the straw helps in your larger
>ponds and does anything happen to the pond over years Straw is not
>degradable is it?

Straw is degradeable.

As it rots, it realeases a small, steady amount of hydrogen peroxide,
which kills algae.

Nothing happens to the pond, other than being fairly algae free.

[Crashj]

"Stephen M. Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "news.pcisys.net" > wrote:
<>
> the slow release effect from the
> barley straw provides a constant source of hydrogen peroxide. The
> effects from barley straw will begin as early as one to two weeks after
> installation, and will remain effective for between four and six months.

So can we kick the reaction into gear by adding H2O2 from a bottle?
(seriously . . .)
And will the fish turn blonde?
<;)=<
--
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[Granny Grump]

>So can we kick the reaction into gear by adding H2O2 from a bottle?
>(seriously . . .)

No. Unless you have some way to drip it minutely, constantly.

>And will the fish turn blonde?

Hmmmm

[Roy]

The best way to utilize barley straw is to place it in a mesh or net
bag, and allow it to float on your ponds surface. So not submerge it.
Once its wet and starts to degrade, it forms a peroxide which is not
harmfull to fish etc but devastating to algae. I used two bales of
barley straw one year in my pond and it virtually killed all of the
algae. Pond is approx 1 surface acre and I had a heap of straw pats
floating in mesh bags and you could definately see a difference in the
water around the bags slowly spreading outward till they all
overlapped. Of course water temp and sun has a lot to do on how fast
it works but it does work. Can't say if it will work if its submerged
or not, and I would not think it would have any detrimental effect on
a pond but I would remove it from a container or liner type pond after
it does its job, as any rotting material will eventually buildup stuff
thats not good for a small pond. A natural bottom (dirt) pond it
should not matter all that much if its of sufficient size.
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[news.pcisys.net]

1 100 gallon stock tank (Rubber maid) and 2 70 gallon stock tanks.
These are my bio/mechanical filters. Filter media: black floor scrubber
pads (cut up) and white floor scrubber pads. Two Silent giant 4300
pumps. Last weekend I built a veggie filter; 24' X 1.9' X 18" deep. I
am waiting for the liner to come in. I should have it up and running by
this weekend. Pond is in full sun most of the day.
In the bio filters, I have just stuck some arrow head and mint in just
to see what would happen. I looks like the mint and arrowhead are
living, putting down roots and my live. This morning I noticed I could
see a few inches deeper in the pond. Maybe the clouds and cooler temps
down here have helped. Any suggestions? I have been assured by my
neighbors (both ponders) that I have "plenty of filtration" for my size
pond (19' X 21' X 4.5' Irregular shaped)
We just go a quick huge storm here in the Springs. Any weather up your way?
W. Dale

MattR wrote:
> What kind of filter do you have now? Size, media, etc.
>
> Thanks
>
> news.pcisys.net wrote:
>
>> I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
>> from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem.
>> Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it
>> should not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not
>> place in the bio filter either.
>> Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water.
>> Water has been bright to dark green all summer with about two weeks of
>> partial clarity (could see maybe 2 feet down.) Veggie Filter should
>> come online in about 5 days (that is when the liner is supposed to
>> arrive.)
>> Nice to hear from other Coloradians! :-))))
>> W. Dale (Spring Ranch - Colorado Springs)
>
>

[news.pcisys.net]

I will give that a try. Thanks! Will let you know if things improve.
W. Dale

Stephen M. Henning wrote:

> "news.pcisys.net" > wrote:
>
>
>>I still have a 3/4 a bail of straw ("they" said it was barley straw)
>>from last year. Did not do much for the water, or so it would seem.
>>Maybe I had it placed improperly. From what I am reading now, it should
>> not be submerged all the way to the bottom and probably not place in
>>the bio filter either.
>>Maybe I will give it another try placed near the top of the water.
>
>
> It needs to be at the surface. Place straw in return portion of the
> bio-filter and/or anywhere in the pond where good water flow and current
> occur. Sunlight and water flow are curcial elements in the decomposition
> process. Make sure you use both elements in choosing the location for
> your bag(s) to be placed.
>
> When properly applied, naturally occurring microorganisms decompose the
> lignins in the barley, releasing humic substances (dissolved organic
> carbon) in the water. In the presence of sunlight and oxygen, these
> compounds are converted into low levels of hydrogen peroxide. The
> hydrogen peroxide is the component that modifies the pond chemistry to
> improve pond clarity. Hydrogen peroxide itself is relatively unstable
> and does not persist in water, but the slow release effect from the
> barley straw provides a constant source of hydrogen peroxide. The
> effects from barley straw will begin as early as one to two weeks after
> installation, and will remain effective for between four and six months.
>

[MattR]

I have a big stock tank, too. Something like 3' x 4'. Not sure how many
gallons. But my pond is only 1300 gallons (roughly 13' x 8'). Your pond
sounds huge, should look nice when it's all done. My media is a bunch
of cut up drinking straws. Odd thing is the straws got pushed to the
side so the water basically goes around the media. But it works! I
think I just have a vegie filter without the vegies. Or it's just a
green muck filter. I might just turn it into a vegie filter so let me
know how yours works.

The comment by your neighbors that you have plenty of filtration is
probably true for reducing ammonia but probably not for reducing pea
soup. I'm thinking your vegie filter will work fine. Unfortunately
you're starting late in the season and it might not start working until
it gets cold.

Weather up this way? If I could catch all the rain water I wouldn't
have to top my pond off for a year. It dumped up here. So my pond is
full but the water lillies still look ripped up from the hail. And it's
still dumping. And I'm going camping this weekend.

Matt


news.pcisys.net wrote:
> 1 100 gallon stock tank (Rubber maid) and 2 70 gallon stock tanks. These
> are my bio/mechanical filters. Filter media: black floor scrubber pads
> (cut up) and white floor scrubber pads. Two Silent giant 4300 pumps.
> Last weekend I built a veggie filter; 24' X 1.9' X 18" deep. I am
> waiting for the liner to come in. I should have it up and running by
> this weekend. Pond is in full sun most of the day.
> In the bio filters, I have just stuck some arrow head and mint in just
> to see what would happen. I looks like the mint and arrowhead are
> living, putting down roots and my live. This morning I noticed I could
> see a few inches deeper in the pond. Maybe the clouds and cooler temps
> down here have helped. Any suggestions? I have been assured by my
> neighbors (both ponders) that I have "plenty of filtration" for my size
> pond (19' X 21' X 4.5' Irregular shaped)
> We just go a quick huge storm here in the Springs. Any weather up your
> way?
> W. Dale
>

[[email protected]]

Morning, Matt!
Have a great time camping! I hear the weather should be beautiful! I
also see that we got some snow on the Peak last night.
Yeah, I agree that I am starting late. At least it will be ready to go
next season and I might have some clear water most of the 2005 season.
And my plants are shredded too! They look more like doilies! LOL. I
will be pruning today as some of the lilies have nice new leaves up
already. One looks to be at least 9 inches across. I will measure and
let you know.
I will keep you posted on the filter. If we get some warm weather, it
might kick in sooner than I expect. That would be nice for the last few
weeks of the season. Might even try covering the pond this winter.
Just a thought.
Take care and be safe!
W. Dale

MattR wrote:
> I have a big stock tank, too. Something like 3' x 4'. Not sure how many
> gallons. But my pond is only 1300 gallons (roughly 13' x 8'). Your pond
> sounds huge, should look nice when it's all done. My media is a bunch
> of cut up drinking straws. Odd thing is the straws got pushed to the
> side so the water basically goes around the media. But it works! I
> think I just have a vegie filter without the vegies. Or it's just a
> green muck filter. I might just turn it into a vegie filter so let me
> know how yours works.
>
> The comment by your neighbors that you have plenty of filtration is
> probably true for reducing ammonia but probably not for reducing pea
> soup. I'm thinking your vegie filter will work fine. Unfortunately
> you're starting late in the season and it might not start working until
> it gets cold.
>
> Weather up this way? If I could catch all the rain water I wouldn't
> have to top my pond off for a year. It dumped up here. So my pond is
> full but the water lillies still look ripped up from the hail. And it's
> still dumping. And I'm going camping this weekend.
>
> Matt
>
>
> news.pcisys.net wrote:
>
>> 1 100 gallon stock tank (Rubber maid) and 2 70 gallon stock tanks.
>> These are my bio/mechanical filters. Filter media: black floor
>> scrubber pads (cut up) and white floor scrubber pads. Two Silent
>> giant 4300 pumps. Last weekend I built a veggie filter; 24' X 1.9' X
>> 18" deep. I am waiting for the liner to come in. I should have it up
>> and running by this weekend. Pond is in full sun most of the day.
>> In the bio filters, I have just stuck some arrow head and mint in just
>> to see what would happen. I looks like the mint and arrowhead are
>> living, putting down roots and my live. This morning I noticed I
>> could see a few inches deeper in the pond. Maybe the clouds and
>> cooler temps down here have helped. Any suggestions? I have been
>> assured by my neighbors (both ponders) that I have "plenty of
>> filtration" for my size pond (19' X 21' X 4.5' Irregular shaped)
>> We just go a quick huge storm here in the Springs. Any weather up
>> your way?
>> W. Dale
>>
>

[Crashj]

On Sat, 21 Aug 2004 07:16:07 -0600, wrote:

>Have a great time camping! I hear the weather should be beautiful! I
>also see that we got some snow on the Peak last night.
<>
>MattR wrote:
>> I have a big stock tank, too. Something like 3' x 4'. Not sure how many
>> gallons. But my pond is only 1300 gallons (roughly 13' x 8').
<>
>> Weather up this way? If I could catch all the rain water I wouldn't
>> have to top my pond off for a year.
<>
>> news.pcisys.net wrote:
>>
>>> 1 100 gallon stock tank (Rubber maid) and 2 70 gallon stock tanks.
>>> These are my bio/mechanical filters.
<>
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?
--
Crashj
--
Crashj

[MattR]

I'm very sorry I offended your style preferences. I promise I'll never
do it again ;)

Anyway, I prefer "top-posting". It might be because my browser shows all
the messages in a thread, so it's already top down, and all the quoted
stuff at the end is just a reference. Besides, I don't like wading down
through 500 lines of old thread to find the new stuff. So I guess we're
even.

But, to each his own. Let's just agree to disagree and I'll buy you a
beer some day.

Crashj wrote:

> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
> A: Top-posting.
> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

[Crashj]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:12:59 GMT, MattR >
wrote:

>I'm very sorry I offended your style preferences. I promise I'll never
>do it again ;)
>
>Anyway, I prefer "top-posting".
<>
>But, to each his own. Let's just agree to disagree and I'll buy you a
>beer some day.
>Crashj wrote:
>
>> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
>> A: Top-posting.
>> Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?

My only comment to your defense is that having the messages in
sequence only happens when you view all threads.
Otherwise, it's a deal. Yuengling Lager Light, if you please? And
yours?--
Crashj

[MattR]

I've never heard of Yuengling. I'll try one of those.

Crashj wrote:

> My only comment to your defense is that having the messages in
> sequence only happens when you view all threads.
> Otherwise, it's a deal. Yuengling Lager Light, if you please? And
> yours?--
> Crashj

[chagoi]

It's kinda like Coors beer was many years ago, Coors was a local beer
(west of the Ole' Mississippi.) not available in the East.

Yuengling is a small family owned brewery in Pottsville, Pa. it is not
well known west of the Monongohelia River. (Pittsburgh, Pa)


--
/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com



MattR wrote:
> I've never heard of Yuengling. I'll try one of those.
>
> Crashj wrote:
>
>> My only comment to your defense is that having the messages in
>> sequence only happens when you view all threads.
>> Otherwise, it's a deal. Yuengling Lager Light, if you please? And
>> yours?-- Crashj
>
>


--
/\/\ike
Chagoi
http://ourkoipond.com

[MattR]

But Coors never was very good ;)

Oh well, I'm too far west of the Monongohelia. But I have a friend that
used to live in Pottsville.

chagoi wrote:
> It's kinda like Coors beer was many years ago, Coors was a local beer
> (west of the Ole' Mississippi.) not available in the East.
>
> Yuengling is a small family owned brewery in Pottsville, Pa. it is not
> well known west of the Monongohelia River. (Pittsburgh, Pa)
>
>

[S. M. Henning]

MattR > wrote:

> I've never heard of Yuengling. I'll try one of those.

Yuengling (pronounced yingling) is the oldest brewery (1829) in the US.
It is located Pottsville, PA in the coal regions. Dick Yuengling, the
current owner, does his own ads and has made it into somewhat of a
national brand. He added two new breweries in Port Clinton and Tampa,
FL to supplement his historic facility. He features lager, but also has
black & tan, ale (Chesterfield Ale), port, stout, light and light lager.
Many outlets feature Yuengling as a micro brew or premium beer. I don't
know what Dick does with the barley staw and never asked him. If you
ever pass through Pottsville, stop for a brewery tour at the old brewery
which was actually built in 1831 after a fire destroyed the fist one.
And if Dick is there, ask him what he does with the barley straw.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 23:12:59 GMT, MattR wrote:
>
>>I'm very sorry I offended your style preferences. I promise I'll never
>>do it again ;)
>>
>>Anyway, I prefer "top-posting".

>My only comment to your defense is that having the messages in
>sequence only happens when you view all threads.
>Crashj

Hey Crashj, you ever watched the show Monk? ;o)

Since I read all posts, normally top-posting is not big deal. Other than
when people top post something general..... i.e., "Thanks, I can really
appreciate that info." and they've deleted the info, so you have no idea
who or what they're referring to and thanking who for. Sometimes I top
post, sometimes I bottom post. But I always leave a little something so you
know to what I refer. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Crashj]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 18:54:02 GMT, MattR >
wrote:

>But Coors never was very good ;)
>
>Oh well, I'm too far west of the Monongohelia. But I have a friend that
>used to live in Pottsville.

"You've got a friend in Pennsylvania"
Crashj "not just an old slogan" Johnson
--
Crashj

[Crashj]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 14:34:25 -0700, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

<>
>Hey Crashj, you ever watched the show Monk? ;o)

Watch it? I have all the episodes on hermetically sealed tapes,
arranged by original play date, alphabetically in the order of the
most recent showing, indexed bythe serial number of the casettes
--
Crashj
--
Crashj

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>>Hey Crashj, you ever watched the show Monk? ;o) ~ jan
>
>Watch it? I have all the episodes on hermetically sealed tapes,
>arranged by original play date, alphabetically in the order of the
>most recent showing, indexed bythe serial number of the casettes
>--
>Crashj

<BEG> I rest my case. ;o) ~ jan
~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~