Goldfish resting on the bottom of the tank (really annoying), PLEASE HELP!!!...

[marcos]

Hi
I have 3 goldfish: a black moor, a red oranda and a bronze pom-pom.
i've got quite a few problems in addition to the Subject.
It starts with the pom-pom fish having reddish scales, sort of like
rashes on your skin. I wasn't really sure what to do and the pom-pom
started to rest on the bottom of the tank. The pom-pom did this quite
often. I could see that the fins were starting to deteriorate a bit so
i got the pom-pom out of the tank. i didn't know what to do so i
placed the fish in one of the buckets i have for changing water. i
didn't want to go into "treating" the fish with all them anti-biotic,
anti-disease, anti-whatever crap as i have done it before and its a
waste of time and MONEY!! I felt ive already solved some of the
problem anyway by taking out the pom-pom therefore not letting the
infection or whatever it is, spread to the moor and oranda.So the
pom-pom was in the bucket for a few days. AFter that, the pom-pom's
scales seem to have gone back to normal and was functioning well so i
put it back again. All was well for a couple of weeks UNTIL...again,
the pom-pom's scales went red again and started to rest on the
bottom(again)! so i took it out again,did the same thing as b4. then
when it was fine again, i put it back. But,...there was another
problem after i put the pom-pom back into the tank the 2ND TIME.
After the 2nd time, the Oranda started to rest on the
bottom!!Arrgggghh!What is going on?!! i don't understand! the oranda
sits on the bottom for nearly most of the time, esp. behind a specific
plant, always the same spot. But it hasn't got the reddening of the
scales though. it's fins are fine,scales fine. But it keeps sitting on
the bottom!!only to come out when its feeding time! PLEASE,SOMEONE
HELP!! I NEED U XPERTS OUT THERE N FIX THIS PROBLEM. THANKS.

[Donald K]

marcos wrote:

> I have 3 goldfish: a black moor, a red oranda and a bronze pom-pom.

How big is your tank?
How frequent and how big are your water changes?
What are your tank's ammonia, nitrIte, and nitrAte levels?

Do a 50% water change with dechlorinated, temperature matched water and
get back to us with the above information...

-Donald
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start doing large water changes. add a bit of salt like 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons.
keep your nitrates at or under 20 ppm. if you got gravel it is probably silted up
pretty bad and it is time to move the fish out to bucket with airstone (good for
couple hours), clean the gravel gently in treated water (dont want to kill any
biobugs) and replace.
see removing gravel here http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care.htm
but put gravel back instead.
http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/treatment/trtmnt.htm#TUB_TO_TUB
your problem is water quality, so when you moved the fish out you were putting the
fish into clean water.
Ingrid

(marcos) wrote:

>Hi
>I have 3 goldfish: a black moor, a red oranda and a bronze pom-pom.
>i've got quite a few problems in addition to the Subject.
>It starts with the pom-pom fish having reddish scales, sort of like
>rashes on your skin. I wasn't really sure what to do and the pom-pom
>started to rest on the bottom of the tank. The pom-pom did this quite
>often. I could see that the fins were starting to deteriorate a bit so
>i got the pom-pom out of the tank. i didn't know what to do so i
>placed the fish in one of the buckets i have for changing water. i
>didn't want to go into "treating" the fish with all them anti-biotic,
>anti-disease, anti-whatever crap as i have done it before and its a
>waste of time and MONEY!! I felt ive already solved some of the
>problem anyway by taking out the pom-pom therefore not letting the
>infection or whatever it is, spread to the moor and oranda.So the
>pom-pom was in the bucket for a few days. AFter that, the pom-pom's
>scales seem to have gone back to normal and was functioning well so i
>put it back again. All was well for a couple of weeks UNTIL...again,
>the pom-pom's scales went red again and started to rest on the
>bottom(again)! so i took it out again,did the same thing as b4. then
>when it was fine again, i put it back. But,...there was another
>problem after i put the pom-pom back into the tank the 2ND TIME.
>After the 2nd time, the Oranda started to rest on the
>bottom!!Arrgggghh!What is going on?!! i don't understand! the oranda
>sits on the bottom for nearly most of the time, esp. behind a specific
>plant, always the same spot. But it hasn't got the reddening of the
>scales though. it's fins are fine,scales fine. But it keeps sitting on
>the bottom!!only to come out when its feeding time! PLEASE,SOMEONE
>HELP!! I NEED U XPERTS OUT THERE N FIX THIS PROBLEM. THANKS.



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[marcos]

Donald K > wrote in message >...

> How big is your tank?
> How frequent and how big are your water changes?
> What are your tank's ammonia, nitrIte, and nitrAte levels?

> Do a 50% water change with dechlorinated, temperature matched water and
> get back to us with the above information...
>

My tank is a REKORD 70 by Juwel Aquariums, so it's a 70 litre tank. I
change the water every week, every fridays. I change 25% of the water
and I've done 50% water changes as well when I felt that the water
quality was poorer than usual. I never thought it was the water
quality as the water is real clear, I assure you. The ammonia,nitrite
+ nitrate levels,well i dunno about that yet.
But i can tell you that the pH is always neutral or a bit alkaline.
And the temperature is at a constant 20 degrees C. Lights are on 8
hours a day and there are 4 plants in the tank. Algae is another
constant battle, i must say. So you're saying that the fish are
resting on the bottom due to water quality?

[marcos]

wrote in message >...
> start doing large water changes. add a bit of salt like 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons.
> keep your nitrates at or under 20 ppm. if you got gravel it is probably silted up
> pretty bad and it is time to move the fish out to bucket with airstone (good for
> couple hours), clean the gravel gently in treated water (dont want to kill any
> biobugs) and replace.
> see removing gravel here http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care.htm
> but put gravel back instead.
> http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/treatment/trtmnt.htm#TUB_TO_TUB
> your problem is water quality, so when you moved the fish out you were putting the
> fish into clean water.
> Ingrid

Do I add the salt in the buckets for water change or into the tank or
what? Won't the salt affect the plants in any way? So for 70 litres,
how much salt do I add? Yes, I've got gravel. By saying treated
water,u mean dechlorinated water rite? OK.
john..




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[Geezer From The Freezer]

dissolve in a cup of tank water and add. 1 teaspoon per 5 gallons is hardly
likely
to upset your plants.

marcos wrote:
> Do I add the salt in the buckets for water change or into the tank or
> what? Won't the salt affect the plants in any way? So for 70 litres,
> how much salt do I add? Yes, I've got gravel. By saying treated
> water,u mean dechlorinated water rite? OK.
> john..

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(marcos) wrote:
>My tank is a REKORD 70 by Juwel Aquariums, so it's a 70 litre tank. I
>change the water every week, every fridays. I change 25% of the water
>and I've done 50% water changes as well when I felt that the water
>quality was poorer than usual. I never thought it was the water
>quality as the water is real clear, I assure you. The ammonia,nitrite
>+ nitrate levels,well i dunno about that yet.
...clear water doesnt mean anything. nitrATE levels should be kept 20 ppm or less.
this is the reading used to determine how often and how much water needs to be
changed.
leave the algae alone on the back and sides of the tank. if it is growing on the
front so it needs to be scraped off more than every other water change your wastes
are too high.
yes..... inactivity in otherwise active fish is a behavior pattern that indicates
something is wrong, the first thing goes wrong is water quality 98% of the time.
this leads to stress in the fish and the immune system goes down and the fish gets
overrun with parasites and then bacterial infection.
Ingrid

>But i can tell you that the pH is always neutral or a bit alkaline.
>And the temperature is at a constant 20 degrees C. Lights are on 8
>hours a day and there are 4 plants in the tank. Algae is another
>constant battle, i must say. So you're saying that the fish are
>resting on the bottom due to water quality?



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either in the water going into the tank or in the tank if it is rock salt or
predissolved in water if it is table salt (no additives like iodine).
4 teaspoons for your 70 liter.
yes... dechlorinated water so you dont kill the biobugs. Ingrid

(marcos) wrote:
>Do I add the salt in the buckets for water change or into the tank or
>what? Won't the salt affect the plants in any way? So for 70 litres,
>how much salt do I add? Yes, I've got gravel. By saying treated
>water,u mean dechlorinated water rite? OK.


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[marcos]

wrote in message >...
> ..clear water doesnt mean anything. nitrATE levels should be kept 20 ppm or less.
> this is the reading used to determine how often and how much water needs to be
> changed.
> leave the algae alone on the back and sides of the tank. if it is growing on the
> front so it needs to be scraped off more than every other water change your wastes
> are too high.

What do I do with the algae on the plants itself because I have one of
the plants half overrun with algae? Should I scrape the algae off or
leave it alone or should I throw the plant away?
Another problem is the positioning of my tank. The tank is in a corner
that faces a south facing window + the window is about 20 feet away. I
live in the northern hemisphere so the sunlight will be slightly
towards the south. I have nowhere else in my house to put it. Is this
alrite or what should I do? Due to this, do I get more plants to
compete with algae or what should I do? I currently have 3 plants in
my 70 litre tank. lights r on 8 hrs a day. Thanks Ingrid..



> yes..... inactivity in otherwise active fish is a behavior pattern that indicates
> something is wrong, the first thing goes wrong is water quality 98% of the time.
> this leads to stress in the fish and the immune system goes down and the fish gets
> overrun with parasites and then bacterial infection.
> Ingrid
>
>
>
>
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> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

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yeah, clean the algae off the plants, but you will need to change water more often to
keep nitrates low enough that they dont coat the plants so fast.
sunlight is good as long as the temp of teh water doesnt swing up and down.
LOL.. I cut strips of clear plastic bag, tied them in the middle and tied em to a cup
handle and let the algae colonize... looked like seaweed after a while. Ingrid

(marcos) wrote:

wrote in message >...
>> ..clear water doesnt mean anything. nitrATE levels should be kept 20 ppm or less.
>> this is the reading used to determine how often and how much water needs to be
>> changed.
>> leave the algae alone on the back and sides of the tank. if it is growing on the
>> front so it needs to be scraped off more than every other water change your wastes
>> are too high.
>
>What do I do with the algae on the plants itself because I have one of
>the plants half overrun with algae? Should I scrape the algae off or
>leave it alone or should I throw the plant away?
>Another problem is the positioning of my tank. The tank is in a corner
>that faces a south facing window + the window is about 20 feet away. I
>live in the northern hemisphere so the sunlight will be slightly
>towards the south. I have nowhere else in my house to put it. Is this
>alrite or what should I do? Due to this, do I get more plants to
>compete with algae or what should I do? I currently have 3 plants in
>my 70 litre tank. lights r on 8 hrs a day. Thanks Ingrid..
>
>
>
>> yes..... inactivity in otherwise active fish is a behavior pattern that indicates
>> something is wrong, the first thing goes wrong is water quality 98% of the time.
>> this leads to stress in the fish and the immune system goes down and the fish gets
>> overrun with parasites and then bacterial infection.
>> Ingrid
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>> endorsements or recommendations I make.



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