Help with dimensions

[Robin]

Well my first pond hasn't even been up two months and I am
planning a second. I have a liner that is 10ft X9.5ft so I
figure a solid 9 square feet for construction. I'm planning
a more formal type water feature for the front of my house.
I have big white column so I want to make it look like
ancient greek ruins. My plan is to use one row of cinder
blocks to make a square; and have that much of the pond
above ground, go inside the cinder blocks about a foot to
make a marginal shelf and then dig down about 1ft to 2 ft to
form the deeper part. About what size pond will I end up
with? Would you go for size or depth? I live in the
extreme south and winter extremes are not much of a problem.

I have cool ideas for this one. I'm going to cover the
cinder blocks with ceramic tiles, maybe a greek key design.
For the water fall/veggie filter, I want a large pot or
vase. I'll get a grecian lady fountain to pour into the
water fall. Get a couple of those column plant stands and
lean them over with vines growing up.

[Ka30P]

Robin wrote << Well my first pond hasn't even been up two months and I am
planning a second. >>

We're so proud! ;-)

Your plans sound wonderful and I'm sure the technical
folks on here can answer your questions.

My one concern is that you checked with your town/city
and find out the legal depth allowed for a water feature
in an unfenced frontyard (if yours is unfenced... most frontyards are). Be a
shame to build such a neat pond
and then find out it is illegal. In our town (jj correct me if I'm wrong)
anything over 12 inches deep must be fenced.





kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[RichToyBox]

Theoretically, allowing for about 15 inches of overlap on each wall, that
would take 2 1/2 feet of the 9.5 foot, 3 foot across the bottom adds up to
5.5 leaving 4 foot, divided by 2 sides gives a 2 foot maximum depth.
Anything less than 15 inches of overlap would be risky getting the liner in
the right place to maintain any overlap.

--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
"Robin" > wrote in message
news:cHTSc.294196$Oq2.71706@attbi_s52...
> Well my first pond hasn't even been up two months and I am
> planning a second. I have a liner that is 10ft X9.5ft so I
> figure a solid 9 square feet for construction. I'm planning
> a more formal type water feature for the front of my house.
> I have big white column so I want to make it look like
> ancient greek ruins. My plan is to use one row of cinder
> blocks to make a square; and have that much of the pond
> above ground, go inside the cinder blocks about a foot to
> make a marginal shelf and then dig down about 1ft to 2 ft to
> form the deeper part. About what size pond will I end up
> with? Would you go for size or depth? I live in the
> extreme south and winter extremes are not much of a problem.
>
> I have cool ideas for this one. I'm going to cover the
> cinder blocks with ceramic tiles, maybe a greek key design.
> For the water fall/veggie filter, I want a large pot or
> vase. I'll get a grecian lady fountain to pour into the
> water fall. Get a couple of those column plant stands and
> lean them over with vines growing up.
>
>

[Robin]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Robin wrote << Well my first pond hasn't even been up two
months and I am
> planning a second. >>
>
> We're so proud! ;-)
>
> Your plans sound wonderful and I'm sure the technical
> folks on here can answer your questions.
>
> My one concern is that you checked with your town/city
> and find out the legal depth allowed for a water feature
> in an unfenced frontyard (if yours is unfenced... most
frontyards are). Be a
> shame to build such a neat pond
> and then find out it is illegal. In our town (jj correct
me if I'm wrong)
> anything over 12 inches deep must be fenced.
>
>
>

That's not a problem. One of the reasons I chose this house
was because of the large fenced yard. The whole yard is
fenced with a double gate at the end of the drive, just add
dog; so I was able to get my first ever large dog. I've
been working on the inside of the house for three years and
have just been getting serious about the outside this year.
The columns on the front of the house inspired the idea to
make the water feature look like the ruins of an ancient
greek fountain. While doing the inside of the house I
learned how to do a faux paint technique that looks like
marble, I'm going to eventually paint my columns like that.
I'm stoked, it will be a fabulous looking pond, yet fairly
cheap to construct.

Robin
http://community.webshots.com/user/robinandtami

>
>
> kathy :-)
> algae primer
> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Robin]

"RichToyBox" > wrote in message
news:IXUSc.249629$IQ4.4208@attbi_s02...
> Theoretically, allowing for about 15 inches of overlap on
each wall, that
> would take 2 1/2 feet of the 9.5 foot, 3 foot across the
bottom adds up to
> 5.5 leaving 4 foot, divided by 2 sides gives a 2 foot
maximum depth.
> Anything less than 15 inches of overlap would be risky
getting the liner in
> the right place to maintain any overlap.
>

That's kind of what I was thinking. Make the inner 2 ft
depth level about 3ft sq, and then make an outer ring that
extends a foot over and a foot up that would make a total
pond size of four foot square. THat should leave me about a
foot of overlap all the way around. I will lay it over the
cinder block, and then cover it with 1ft square pavers, I
may epoxy them to the conder block somehow so that you could
sit on the edge?

Robin
http://community.webshots.com/user/robinandtami


> --
> RichToyBox
> http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
> "Robin" > wrote in message
> news:cHTSc.294196$Oq2.71706@attbi_s52...
> > Well my first pond hasn't even been up two months and I
am
> > planning a second. I have a liner that is 10ft X9.5ft
so I
> > figure a solid 9 square feet for construction. I'm
planning
> > a more formal type water feature for the front of my
house.
> > I have big white column so I want to make it look like
> > ancient greek ruins. My plan is to use one row of
cinder
> > blocks to make a square; and have that much of the pond
> > above ground, go inside the cinder blocks about a foot
to
> > make a marginal shelf and then dig down about 1ft to 2
ft to
> > form the deeper part. About what size pond will I end
up
> > with? Would you go for size or depth? I live in the
> > extreme south and winter extremes are not much of a
problem.
> >
> > I have cool ideas for this one. I'm going to cover the
> > cinder blocks with ceramic tiles, maybe a greek key
design.
> > For the water fall/veggie filter, I want a large pot or
> > vase. I'll get a grecian lady fountain to pour into the
> > water fall. Get a couple of those column plant stands
and
> > lean them over with vines growing up.
> >
> >
>
>

[Ka30P]

Robin, this sounds great!
You could start a whole new trend, themed ponds to tie in with the house
architecture ;-)


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Crashj]

"Robin" > wrote in message
news:jmVSc.296473$XM6.207234@attbi_s53...
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:IXUSc.249629$IQ4.4208@attbi_s02...
> > Theoretically, allowing for about 15 inches of overlap on each wall,
that
> > would take 2 1/2 feet of the 9.5 foot, 3 foot across the bottom adds up
to
> > 5.5 leaving 4 foot, divided by 2 sides gives a 2 foot maximum depth.
> > Anything less than 15 inches of overlap would be risky getting the liner
in
> > the right place to maintain any overlap.
> >
>
> That's kind of what I was thinking. Make the inner 2 ft
> depth level about 3ft sq, and then make an outer ring that
> extends a foot over and a foot up that would make a total
> pond size of four foot square. THat should leave me about a
> foot of overlap all the way around. I will lay it over the
> cinder block, and then cover it with 1ft square pavers, I
> may epoxy them to the conder block somehow so that you could
> sit on the edge?
<>
Umm, isn't that going to be five feet - a one foot border all the way
around?

I have the same puzzlement about securing the edges. It seems that Great
Stuff can be used as an adhesive as well as a foaming crack sealer, but I am
still not sure how to trap the liner and keep the edging stones in place.
And just in passing, they are concrete blocks nowadays; cinder hasn't been
in general use for decades.
--
Crashj

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>(jj correct me if I'm wrong)
>anything over 12 inches deep must be fenced.
>kathy :-)

Well last I looked into it, it was 2 feet. Unbelievable huh?
~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Don't forget to take construction pictures. :o) ~ jan

>have just been getting serious about the outside this year.
>The columns on the front of the house inspired the idea to
>make the water feature look like the ruins of an ancient
>greek fountain. While doing the inside of the house I
>learned how to do a faux paint technique that looks like
>marble, I'm going to eventually paint my columns like that.
>I'm stoked, it will be a fabulous looking pond, yet fairly
>cheap to construct.
>
>Robin
>http://community.webshots.com/user/robinandtami
>
>>
>>
>> kathy :-)
>> algae primer
>> http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html
>

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[RichToyBox]

Robin,

The calculations that I did were based on the outer ring being 3 foot
square. The liner won't quite make a 5 foot square, unless it is only 1
foot deep with a 15 inch overhang. At 2 foot deep, you will have only about
3 inches of overhang, which could be touchy getting it centered correctly
and keeping some liner on top of the wall.

--
RichToyBox
http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
"Robin" > wrote in message
news:jmVSc.296473$XM6.207234@attbi_s53...
>
> "RichToyBox" > wrote in message
> news:IXUSc.249629$IQ4.4208@attbi_s02...
> > Theoretically, allowing for about 15 inches of overlap on
> each wall, that
> > would take 2 1/2 feet of the 9.5 foot, 3 foot across the
> bottom adds up to
> > 5.5 leaving 4 foot, divided by 2 sides gives a 2 foot
> maximum depth.
> > Anything less than 15 inches of overlap would be risky
> getting the liner in
> > the right place to maintain any overlap.
> >
>
> That's kind of what I was thinking. Make the inner 2 ft
> depth level about 3ft sq, and then make an outer ring that
> extends a foot over and a foot up that would make a total
> pond size of four foot square. THat should leave me about a
> foot of overlap all the way around. I will lay it over the
> cinder block, and then cover it with 1ft square pavers, I
> may epoxy them to the conder block somehow so that you could
> sit on the edge?
>
> Robin
> http://community.webshots.com/user/robinandtami
>
>
> > --
> > RichToyBox
> > http://www.geocities.com/richtoybox/index.html
> > "Robin" > wrote in message
> > news:cHTSc.294196$Oq2.71706@attbi_s52...
> > > Well my first pond hasn't even been up two months and I
> am
> > > planning a second. I have a liner that is 10ft X9.5ft
> so I
> > > figure a solid 9 square feet for construction. I'm
> planning
> > > a more formal type water feature for the front of my
> house.
> > > I have big white column so I want to make it look like
> > > ancient greek ruins. My plan is to use one row of
> cinder
> > > blocks to make a square; and have that much of the pond
> > > above ground, go inside the cinder blocks about a foot
> to
> > > make a marginal shelf and then dig down about 1ft to 2
> ft to
> > > form the deeper part. About what size pond will I end
> up
> > > with? Would you go for size or depth? I live in the
> > > extreme south and winter extremes are not much of a
> problem.
> > >
> > > I have cool ideas for this one. I'm going to cover the
> > > cinder blocks with ceramic tiles, maybe a greek key
> design.
> > > For the water fall/veggie filter, I want a large pot or
> > > vase. I'll get a grecian lady fountain to pour into the
> > > water fall. Get a couple of those column plant stands
> and
> > > lean them over with vines growing up.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>