Wal Mart steps over a dollar to pick up a dime

[Roy]

Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
back...........

Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
trashed before selling.
Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
I had no input whatsoever.
Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
> setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
> I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
> large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
> they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
> no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
> management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
> outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
> sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
> reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> back...........

That would have prompted a letter from me to the head office, without a
doubt.

BV.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
> setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
> I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
> large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
> they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
> no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
> management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
> outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
> sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
> reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> back...........

## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very reasonably)
late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long time
employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather than
mark them down. They do that to stop people from WAITING until the mark
downs. Can you believe the GREED of Wal-Marts owners/stockholders?She told
me this when I asked her about a huge pile of shrubs, trees and large potted
plants behind the building.

> Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
> trashed before selling.

## You got that right. :-(
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Whenever you meet a man who would make a good husband,
you will usually find he's already married."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Ka30P]

Roy wrote << .She promptly
reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
back........... >>

bloody ah-mazing!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~




kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Crashj]

"Jabba" > wrote in message
...
Somebody reported:
> > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
reasonably)
> > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long
time
> > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather
than
> > mark them down.
<>
> What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the stock
> holders greed?

Friend ran a chicken place where the employees were not allowed to take home
leftover chicken at closing, it went into the dumpster. Why? Simple, when
they allowed it there was ALWAYS a full fryer at the end of the day. Maybe
Wal-mart is protecting the stockholders from the associates?
--
Crashj

[Jabba]

> ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very reasonably)
> late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long time
> employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather than
> mark them down. They do that to stop people from WAITING until the mark
> downs. Can you believe the GREED of Wal-Marts owners/stockholders?She
told
> me this when I asked her about a huge pile of shrubs, trees and large
potted
> plants behind the building.
>

What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the stock
holders greed?

[Jabba]

"Crashj" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> "Jabba" > wrote in message
> ...
> Somebody reported:
> > > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
> reasonably)
> > > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long
> time
> > > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather
> than
> > > mark them down.
> <>
> > What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the stock
> > holders greed?
>
> Friend ran a chicken place where the employees were not allowed to take
home
> leftover chicken at closing, it went into the dumpster. Why? Simple, when
> they allowed it there was ALWAYS a full fryer at the end of the day. Maybe
> Wal-mart is protecting the stockholders from the associates?

Or all large multi-nationals are evil organisations that would burn there
employees if given half a chance :-)

> --
> Crashj
>
>

[~ Windsong ~]

"Jabba" > wrote in message
...
> > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
reasonably)
> > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long
time
> > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather
than
> > mark them down. They do that to stop people from WAITING until the mark
> > downs. Can you believe the GREED of Wal-Marts owners/stockholders?She
> told
> > me this when I asked her about a huge pile of shrubs, trees and large
> potted
> > plants behind the building.
> >
>
> What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the stock
> holders greed?
===========================
There is no GREED when you get or look for a bargain. A bargain benefits
BOTH sides, not just one side. The items are sold cheaply and the store
doesn't take a loss, or worse yet, dishonestly claim a loss from their
insurance Co. The person gets a good deal on the item and saves money that
they're usually end up spending in the same store on something else.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Whenever you meet a man who would make a good husband,
you will usually find he's already married."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Crashj" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> "Jabba" > wrote in message
> ...
> Somebody reported:
> > > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
> reasonably)
> > > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long
> time
> > > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather
> than
> > > mark them down.
> <>
> > What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the stock
> > holders greed?
>
> Friend ran a chicken place where the employees were not allowed to take
home
> leftover chicken at closing, it went into the dumpster. Why? Simple, when
> they allowed it there was ALWAYS a full fryer at the end of the day. Maybe
> Wal-mart is protecting the stockholders from the associates?
> --
> Crashj
===================================
That sounds like poor management to me as much as dishonest employees. As
for places like Wal-Mart - that wouldn't apply. They are not the ones who
order the pond and garden merchandise for the stores.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Whenever you meet a man who would make a good husband,
you will usually find he's already married."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Roy wrote << .She promptly
> reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> back........... >>
>
> bloody ah-mazing!
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
That to me is just pure corporate greed! I bet they claimed a LOSS to
theft/damage and still made a profit, or broke even on these preformed ponds
rather than let someone enjoy them.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Whenever you meet a man who would make a good husband,
you will usually find he's already married."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Ka30P]

I just think it is an amazing tale. I'm not going to assign any motive to it.
Having DH in a business which is attacked on all sorts of spurious fronts that
are nonsense, but believed, I'm think there is more information we would need
to know. Maybe we can send Roy back to talk to the store manager...?
In his spare time, of course ;-)


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[BryanB]

Wouldn't a (somewhat large) tube of silicone fix said hack job??

Probably wouldn't cost more than $6-10 for enough aquarium sealant....

--Bryan


On 8/17/2004 9:05 AM Roy let loose a lemur across the keyboard and it typed:

> Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
> setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
> I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
> large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
> they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
> no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
> management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
> outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
> sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
> reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> back...........
>
> Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
> trashed before selling.
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.

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[Jabba]

> There is no GREED when you get or look for a bargain. A bargain benefits
> BOTH sides, not just one side. The items are sold cheaply and the store
> doesn't take a loss, or worse yet, dishonestly claim a loss from their
> insurance Co. The person gets a good deal on the item and saves money
that
> they're usually end up spending in the same store on something else.

What would you describe it as then?

'they're usually end up spending in the same store on something else' any
proof of this - LOL

[Stephen M. Henning]

"Jabba" > wrote:

> Or all large multi-nationals are evil organisations that would burn there
> employees if given half a chance :-)

And there are evil employees who steal from their employer and would
steal more from their employers if give half a chance. AT&T and many
other companies will not through used equipment in the trash because
employees would through out things they wanted and pick them out of the
dumpster after work. Instead they have a salvage procedure and have an
agreement with a salvage agent who either pays or is paid to haul the
equipment away. This cuts down considerably on waste. When employees
benefit from waste, there is a lot more of it.

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[Stephen M. Henning]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote:

> That sounds like poor management to me as much as dishonest employees. As
> for places like Wal-Mart - that wouldn't apply. They are not the ones who
> order the pond and garden merchandise for the stores.

But the employees are the ones who can make sure merchandise doesn't
sell by hiding price tags, putting it in poor locations where no one
sees it, bad mouthing things they don't want to sell, leaving it in the
stock room or storage trailer, etc.

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[Jabba]

"Stephen M. Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "Jabba" > wrote:
>
> > Or all large multi-nationals are evil organisations that would burn
there
> > employees if given half a chance :-)
>
> And there are evil employees who steal from their employer and would
> steal more from their employers if give half a chance. AT&T and many
> other companies will not through used equipment in the trash because
> employees would through out things they wanted and pick them out of the
> dumpster after work. Instead they have a salvage procedure and have an
> agreement with a salvage agent who either pays or is paid to haul the
> equipment away. This cuts down considerably on waste. When employees
> benefit from waste, there is a lot more of it.
>

I think you missed the :-) in my post or didn't read my other post.

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[Lydia]

I used to work at Barnes & Noble. During peak retail times publishers would
send us extra copies of books thought to be in higher demand in the "mass
market" format - that's the smaller size paperbacks. After said peak season
ended and we had leftovers, the cover would be torn off and sent back to the
publisher who would give the company credit for what they didn't sell. The
staff were allowed to take 1 or 2 titles w/o their front covers home, but
the rest were torn up into small sections of book and thrown in the
dumpster! Surely those could have been donated to a charity organization or
something. I always hated that.

Although, I'm sure a return of a book w/o a cover would not have been
allowed, I wouldn't have been surprised to see someone go through our
dumpster and try it. We had a guy one time who collected receipts people
had thrown away from the trash can outside the front of the store. He went
down the street to Kinko's who happened to have VERY similar paper as our
receipt paper. He cut the receipts up and pasted them together into one big
receipt and copied it. The Kinko's manager thought that was mighty
suspicious and called us at the store to let us know what to watch for.
Sure enough, this guy comes into our store, picks the books we had in stock
that were on the receipt, off of our shelves and went up to the cashier to
ask for a refund. He ran away when we told him we knew what he had done.

I know that doesn't apply to the WalMart thing, but just reminded me of my
little stories. I agree that it seems awfully wasteful of WalMart to just
toss them and would seem harmless to let people take them for free if they
were just going in the dumpster.

Lydia


"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
> setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
> I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
> large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
> they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
> no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
> management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
> outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
> sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
> reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> back...........
>
> Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
> trashed before selling.
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[Ka30P]

Lydia wrote
>>After said peak season
ended and we had leftovers, the cover would be torn off and sent back to the
publisher who would give the company credit for what they didn't sell. The
staff were allowed to take 1 or 2 titles w/o their front covers home, but
the rest were torn up into small sections of book and thrown in the
dumpster! Surely those could have been donated to a charity organization or
something. >>

Okay, I actually know something about this.
If all those books were donated, intact or with covers torn off, to charities
or libraries then it is also the author whose work is
donated away and the author would not get paid for it.
Like a company obligating you, with no input, to work 50 hours for a charity
and not paying you for your work.
Speaking as a starving writer ;-)
(just as way of illustration, certainly not in fact!)







kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[Crashj]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
<>
> That to me is just pure corporate greed! I bet they claimed a LOSS to
> theft/damage and still made a profit, or broke even on these preformed
ponds
> rather than let someone enjoy them.

C'mon, nothing like that devious an approach is required. I am sure Wal-Mart
is self insured for employee/customer theft, so there is no insurance
company to be defrauded in this case.
As far as writing off the inventory, of course they do. Profit is what taxes
are assessed on, so profit = sales-expense.
If Wal-mart does not make a profit the who are the ultimate losers? The
customer, that's who. That would be you and me.
--
Crashj

[Crashj]

"Lydia" > wrote in message
...
> I used to work at Barnes & Noble.
<trim tale of evil rip off artist>
> Sure enough, this guy comes into our store, picks the books we had in
stock
> that were on the receipt, off of our shelves and went up to the cashier to
> ask for a refund. He ran away when we told him we knew what he had done.
<>
By now you understand the cost of the book as an object is a minor part of
the expected revenue to the owners of the intellectual property, so I hope
that point is well made.
As for the rip off artists, Wal-mart is the target of the largest organized
group of thieves in the world, and it is not the mafia. The mafia stays in
one place, these are the travelers.
--
Crashj

[HA HA Budys Here]

>From: "Stephen M. Henning"

>
>"~ Windsong ~" > wrote:
>
>> That sounds like poor management to me as much as dishonest employees. As
>> for places like Wal-Mart - that wouldn't apply. They are not the ones who
>> order the pond and garden merchandise for the stores.
>
>But the employees are the ones who can make sure merchandise doesn't
>sell by hiding price tags, putting it in poor locations where no one
>sees it, bad mouthing things they don't want to sell, leaving it in the
>stock room or storage trailer, etc.
>
>--
>Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
> http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman

Walmart doesn't have a stockroom. Managers, if doing their job, make sure the
merchandise is in the proper display in it's proper place. (Entire stores are
plan-o-grammed) They're not on commission and most are eligable for either
welfare, food stamps or both. Store security and cameras are there not so much
to deter customer theft, but employee theft. When such radical measures are
needed by the worlds largest and most profitable corporation against it's own
employees one has to wonder why.

[HA HA Budys Here]

>From: "Crashj"

>
>"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
><>
>> That to me is just pure corporate greed! I bet they claimed a LOSS to
>> theft/damage and still made a profit, or broke even on these preformed
>ponds
>> rather than let someone enjoy them.
>
>C'mon, nothing like that devious an approach is required. I am sure Wal-Mart
>is self insured for employee/customer theft, so there is no insurance
>company to be defrauded in this case.
>As far as writing off the inventory, of course they do. Profit is what taxes
>are assessed on, so profit = sales-expense.
>If Wal-mart does not make a profit the who are the ultimate losers? The
>customer, that's who. That would be you and me.
>--
>Crashj

Most merchandise in stores like WalMart, Kmart and the likes of Home Depot,
Lowes, is on consignment from the manufacturer. That's why the stores don't
care. Whatever doesn't sell, the arrangement with the manufacturer (especially
seasonally sensitive merchandise) is to destroy it. It's cheaper than sending
it back to the manufacturer and warehousing it.

[Go Fig]

In article >, HA HA Budys
Here > wrote:

> >From: "Crashj"
>
> >
> >"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
> ...
> ><>
> >> That to me is just pure corporate greed! I bet they claimed a LOSS to
> >> theft/damage and still made a profit, or broke even on these preformed
> >ponds
> >> rather than let someone enjoy them.
> >
> >C'mon, nothing like that devious an approach is required. I am sure Wal-Mart
> >is self insured for employee/customer theft, so there is no insurance
> >company to be defrauded in this case.
> >As far as writing off the inventory, of course they do. Profit is what taxes
> >are assessed on, so profit = sales-expense.
> >If Wal-mart does not make a profit the who are the ultimate losers? The
> >customer, that's who. That would be you and me.
> >--
> >Crashj
>
> Most merchandise in stores like WalMart, Kmart and the likes of Home Depot,
> Lowes, is on consignment from the manufacturer.

Not only that, if you make a return they often charge the
manufacturer/distributor full retail for that return.


jay
Tue Aug 17, 2004




> That's why the stores don't
> care. Whatever doesn't sell, the arrangement with the manufacturer (especially
> seasonally sensitive merchandise) is to destroy it. It's cheaper than sending
> it back to the manufacturer and warehousing it.

[bluegill phil]

Wal Mart was built on frugal down to earth capitalist ideas. This
brought money which brought capitalist pigs, which threw the ponds in
the trash and Wal Mart too someday. Some hungry retail wolf will eat
them like they ate others, because they are sloppy.



On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:05:08 GMT, (Roy)
wrote:

>Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
>setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
>I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
>large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
>they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
>no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
>management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
>outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
>sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
>reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
>they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
>back...........
>
>Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
>trashed before selling.
>Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
>Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
>I had no input whatsoever.
>Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[SVTKate]

There's an old saying that I try to live by.

"Waste Not, want not."

Chances are it's not the greed of a good deal, but the financial economics
of it.

"Jabba" > wrote in message
...
| > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
reasonably)
| > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long
time
| > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather
than
| > mark them down. They do that to stop people from WAITING until the mark
| > downs. Can you believe the GREED of Wal-Marts owners/stockholders?She
| told
| > me this when I asked her about a huge pile of shrubs, trees and large
| potted
| > plants behind the building.
| >
|
| What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the stock
| holders greed?
|
|

[SVTKate]

I worked at Staples for a cuple of years.
They had a policy of literally trashing (hammering it to smithereens)
anything that was returned (after they got their credit from the
manufacturer) if it was not in a package.
The reason for this was so that people would not fish thngs back out of the
dumpster and then try to return it without a receipt.

It seemed silly, but still made sense.

Kate

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Crashj" > wrote in message
| hlink.net...
| > "Jabba" > wrote in message
| > ...
| > Somebody reported:
| > > > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
| > reasonably)
| > > > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long
| > time
| > > > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them
rather
| > than
| > > > mark them down.
| > <>
| > > What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the
stock
| > > holders greed?
| >
| > Friend ran a chicken place where the employees were not allowed to take
| home
| > leftover chicken at closing, it went into the dumpster. Why? Simple,
when
| > they allowed it there was ALWAYS a full fryer at the end of the day.
Maybe
| > Wal-mart is protecting the stockholders from the associates?
| > --
| > Crashj
| ===================================
| That sounds like poor management to me as much as dishonest employees. As
| for places like Wal-Mart - that wouldn't apply. They are not the ones who
| order the pond and garden merchandise for the stores.
| --
| Carol.... the frugal ponder...
| "Whenever you meet a man who would make a good husband,
| you will usually find he's already married."
| ~~<~~<~~{@
| "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
| http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|
|

[SVTKate]

"Stephen M. Henning" > wrote
|
| But the employees are the ones who can make sure merchandise doesn't
| sell by hiding price tags, putting it in poor locations where no one
| sees it, bad mouthing things they don't want to sell, leaving it in the
| stock room or storage trailer, etc.
|

Have YOU ever worked retail?

Tell you what. Get a corporate DM on your boss's ass telling him that he has
to cut employees hours because of corporate budget cuts and maintain
customer service. This means an entire store with only 5 people on staff,
one of them a manager, one of them an operations officer three of them
minimum wage sales associates.

The three sales associates have to unload 6-11 pallets of stock every other
day, and put it up during the course if an 8 hour, or likely less, shift
because part timers do not get benefits.

Then give those 3 sales associates time to answer the phones, help
customers, tidy the shelves and displays, check to be sure there are no
empty spaces on the shelves and refill them and run the cash registers.

Then, there are the customers who let their children pull the price labels
off of the store shelves as entertainment while the parents are oblivious to
their child's actions. Prices that change daily and a list of several dozen
items that must be relabeled.. by those same three employees.

Try it sometime.
Retail is allot harder than it looks from the customer's side of the
counter. If you want to blame someone, blame the sorporation, not the
employees. The company is to blame 80% of the time.

Kate



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[SVTKate]

AND...
the stuff gets used instead of winding up in the landfill :-)

Kate

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jabba" > wrote in message
| ...
| > > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
| reasonably)
| > > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the long
| time
| > > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them rather
| than
| > > mark them down. They do that to stop people from WAITING until the
mark
| > > downs. Can you believe the GREED of Wal-Marts owners/stockholders?She
| > told
| > > me this when I asked her about a huge pile of shrubs, trees and large
| > potted
| > > plants behind the building.
| > >
| >
| > What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the stock
| > holders greed?
| ===========================
| There is no GREED when you get or look for a bargain. A bargain benefits
| BOTH sides, not just one side. The items are sold cheaply and the store
| doesn't take a loss, or worse yet, dishonestly claim a loss from their
| insurance Co. The person gets a good deal on the item and saves money
that
| they're usually end up spending in the same store on something else.
| --
| Carol.... the frugal ponder...
| "Whenever you meet a man who would make a good husband,
| you will usually find he's already married."
| ~~<~~<~~{@
| "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
| http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|

[news.pcisys.net]

That is just plain stupid! :-(((( Why would they not sell them to you
at cost???? Bummer

Roy wrote:

> Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
> setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
> I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
> large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
> they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
> no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
> management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
> outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
> sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
> reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> back...........
>
> Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
> trashed before selling.
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Stephen M. Henning" > wrote in message
...
> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote:
>
> > That sounds like poor management to me as much as dishonest employees.
As
> > for places like Wal-Mart - that wouldn't apply. They are not the ones
who
> > order the pond and garden merchandise for the stores.
>
> But the employees are the ones who can make sure merchandise doesn't
> sell by hiding price tags, putting it in poor locations where no one
> sees it, bad mouthing things they don't want to sell, leaving it in the
> stock room or storage trailer, etc.
=========================
Again you have a *management* problem then. Where is the store MANAGER and
ass't manager? It's their job to know what's in the store room and
trailers. The Wal-Marts and K-Marts here are set up in such a way that
hiding merchandise is almost impossible. As for discouraging sales....
I've seldom had anyone in any of these stores do that. And the employees
come and go so fast it can't possibly make a difference in the amount sold
or not sold. The Lowe's here marks things down to unreal prices to move
them in late summer. I paid 25¢ for beautiful hanging baskets of
impatience and some other type of flower. The hanging baskets alone are
worth over $1.49. The mini rose bushes were only 50¢ to a $1.00 each. I
bough some large beautiful blooming angelwing begonias in fancy large pots
for 50¢ each. There is nowhere the employees could be involved in all the
stock that didn't sell over the summer. I'm not saying some employees
aren't dishonest as I'm sure some are - but most left over merchandise is
not the fault of the employees.
Giving damaged or broken merchandise to employees is another matter. I can
see them "damaging" something so they can get it for free or dirt cheap -
but leftover ponds, shrubs, trees and plants???
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"HA HA Budys Here" > wrote in message
...
> >From: "Stephen M. Henning"
>
> >
> >"~ Windsong ~" > wrote:
> >
> >> That sounds like poor management to me as much as dishonest employees.
As
> >> for places like Wal-Mart - that wouldn't apply. They are not the ones
who
> >> order the pond and garden merchandise for the stores.
> >
> >But the employees are the ones who can make sure merchandise doesn't
> >sell by hiding price tags, putting it in poor locations where no one
> >sees it, bad mouthing things they don't want to sell, leaving it in the
> >stock room or storage trailer, etc.
> >
> >--
> >Pardon my spam deterrent; send email to
> > http://home.earthlink.net/~rhodyman
>
> Walmart doesn't have a stockroom. Managers, if doing their job, make sure
the
> merchandise is in the proper display in it's proper place. (Entire stores
are
> plan-o-grammed) They're not on commission and most are eligable for either
> welfare, food stamps or both. Store security and cameras are there not so
much
> to deter customer theft, but employee theft. When such radical measures
are
> needed by the worlds largest and most profitable corporation against it's
own
> employees one has to wonder why.
==================================
Allow me to guess. They pay them PEANUTS! They give them no benefits and
they work abominable hours plus most weekends. They're not appreciated and
they know it. I can't think of a worse place to work than one of these
discount stores. Maybe if they paid a living wage there wouldn't be so much
theft.

The turnover at our local Wal-Mart is constant. You seldom see the same
face more than twice.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Jabba" > wrote in message
...
>
> > There is no GREED when you get or look for a bargain. A bargain
benefits
> > BOTH sides, not just one side. The items are sold cheaply and the store
> > doesn't take a loss, or worse yet, dishonestly claim a loss from their
> > insurance Co. The person gets a good deal on the item and saves money
> that
> > they're usually end up spending in the same store on something else.
>
> What would you describe it as then?
==================================
I would describe it as CAREFUL and WISE shopping. Since I retired some
years ago I seldom buy anything unless it's on sale. Why should I not do
this? The store is still making money on my purchases, or at least
breaking even. Isn't this society wasteful enough as it is?

> 'they're usually end up spending in the same store on something else' any

> proof of this - LOL

Proof of what? You must be a stockholder.... LOL!!! :-D
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> There's an old saying that I try to live by.
>
> "Waste Not, want not."
>
> Chances are it's not the greed of a good deal, but the financial economics
> of it.
==========================
EXACTLY!!!! :-)
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Crashj" > wrote in message
k.net...
> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
> ...
> <>
> > That to me is just pure corporate greed! I bet they claimed a LOSS to
> > theft/damage and still made a profit, or broke even on these preformed
> ponds
> > rather than let someone enjoy them.
=========================================
> C'mon, nothing like that devious an approach is required. I am sure
Wal-Mart
> is self insured for employee/customer theft, so there is no insurance
> company to be defrauded in this case.

## You just mentioned the INSURED employees! You can tell me these stores
don't carry general theft insurance. Someone is PAYING for the ponds cut up
and tossed out, along with all the things from the greenhouse that are
dumped in a huge pile behind the building for the trash truck.

> As far as writing off the inventory, of course they do. Profit is what
taxes
> are assessed on, so profit = sales-expense.
> If Wal-mart does not make a profit the who are the ultimate losers?

## I still say the insurance companies. Either them or the company they
bought the merchandise from. Does anyone know for sure that Wally World
EATS these losses? I'm only going by what I heard over the years from
people who worked there (and K-Mart). It's still a selfish self-interested
act on their part. Lowe's and HD mark things down as much 75% or more, and
people love it - I don't see these places going under and it's good PR.

The
> customer, that's who. That would be you and me.

## Yep, us too.......

> Crashj
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

[~ Windsong ~]

"HA HA Budys Here" > wrote in message
...
> Most merchandise in stores like WalMart, Kmart and the likes of Home
Depot,
> Lowes, is on consignment from the manufacturer. That's why the stores
don't
> care. Whatever doesn't sell, the arrangement with the manufacturer
(especially
> seasonally sensitive merchandise) is to destroy it. It's cheaper than
sending
> it back to the manufacturer and warehousing it.
================================
What a waste....
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Lydia" > wrote in message
...
> I used to work at Barnes & Noble. During peak retail times publishers
would
> send us extra copies of books thought to be in higher demand in the "mass
> market" format - that's the smaller size paperbacks. After said peak
season
> ended and we had leftovers, the cover would be torn off and sent back to
the
> publisher who would give the company credit for what they didn't sell.
The
> staff were allowed to take 1 or 2 titles w/o their front covers home, but
> the rest were torn up into small sections of book and thrown in the
> dumpster! Surely those could have been donated to a charity organization
or
> something. I always hated that.

$$ How sickening. Think how much old people in a NH, or disabled shut-ins
would love to have them. It's crossed my mind how much the elderly or
disabled would love some of those plants piled up behind the Wal-Mart store.

> I know that doesn't apply to the WalMart thing, but just reminded me of my
> little stories. I agree that it seems awfully wasteful of WalMart to just
> toss them and would seem harmless to let people take them for free if they
> were just going in the dumpster.

$$ Or mark then down to almost nothing like the Lowe's store does. This way
the store gets something, and people are very happy to remove this
merchandise from the manager's face. :-) It makes for good will.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Roy]

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 23:09:23 -0500, "~ Windsong ~" >
wrote:

snip
>===<>$$ How sickening. Think how much old people in a NH, or disabled shut-ins
>===<>would love to have them. It's crossed my mind how much the elderly or
>===<>disabled would love some of those plants piled up behind the Wal-Mart store.
>===<>
>===<>> I know that doesn't apply to the WalMart thing, but just reminded me of my
>===<>> little stories. I agree that it seems awfully wasteful of WalMart to just
>===<>> toss them and would seem harmless to let people take them for free if they
>===<>> were just going in the dumpster.
>===<>
>===<>$$ Or mark then down to almost nothing like the Lowe's store does. This way
>===<>the store gets something, and people are very happy to remove this
>===<>merchandise from the manager's face. :-) It makes for good will.


This is exactly how I feel. Our local Lowes may mark something down
but their dumpster is off limits and they never ever give anything for
free, even old pallets or broken pavers. Home Depot on the oter hand
has an area set up behind the store, and have pallets there with piles
of broken and busted merchandise like walkay pavers, edgers, plants,
busted bags of gravel and mulch with a big sign above the stuff saying
FREE.......For the most part stuff will remain laying there for a long
time, and even myself I will let a lot of stuff remain even if I could
use it "eventually"......its not like I just have to have it, and why
be selfish. Just yesterday I got 9 broken bags of cypress mulch and 11
bags of various bagged decorative stones etc, as well as a heap of
broken walk pavers.......and 8 bags of shredded tires listed as soft
playground mulch......The majority of plants and pavers and edgers I
have around my property and used in my pond construction were obtained
over time for free this way........They do not mind scratching my back
and I sure don't mind repaying the favor as I then spend more money or
at least try my best to utilize these places for any purchase I need.
I spend some serious money in Home Depot, but very little in places
like Lowes. Wal MArts reply to retreiving stuff from the dumpster is.
We do not allow it, but we are not going to make any effort to guard
our dumpster either........or go out of our way to prevent it. They
simply can't give permission to remove the stuff, but once in the
dumpster they are not going to stop you from retreiving plants etc
either..........its at this point when stuff is in the dumpster that
they met their responsibility in what their policy requires. Other
places will have you arrested for tresspassing if you dive their
dumpsters.........

I have also been known to get flowers from Wal MArts dumpster and also
from Home Depot, and take my time and nurse them back to health, and
take them and plant them at various roadway memorial markers you see
setup where people have been killed in accidents......This little act
gives me a sense of pleasure and presents no hazzard to roadways. I
have also nursed back to health a lot of plants and gave them to a
elderly care center nearby, which really made the residents
day..........I think there is much more to be gained for donating or
giving items away to be used by those less fortunate or by those that
really appreciate it even in a state of dissrepair than filling a
landfill up and increasing the bank account.

I sure did not intend for my original post to get so lengthy
especially when the only content about ponding was the fact they were
going to destroy and trash the liners..........
Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
I had no input whatsoever.
Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[Stephen M. Henning]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote:

> "Stephen M. Henning" > wrote:
> > But the employees are the ones who can make sure merchandise doesn't
> > sell by hiding price tags, putting it in poor locations where no one
> > sees it, bad mouthing things they don't want to sell, leaving it in the
> > stock room or storage trailer, etc.
> =========================
> Again you have a *management* problem then. Where is the store MANAGER and
> ass't manager?

Managers are employees also.

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[Stephen M. Henning]

"SVTKate" > wrote:

> This means an entire store with only 5 people on staff,
> one of them a manager, one of them an operations officer three of them
> minimum wage sales associates.

Our Walmart has that many Seniors at the door greeting people. It has a
similar number in the garden section just loading peoples cars.

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[Mrs. Fricker]

"SVTKate" > wrote:

> If you want to blame someone, blame the sorporation, not the
> employees. The company is to blame 80% of the time.

It sounds like you don't like your job. Have you tried a different line
of work. If you have to go around blaming people perhaps you aren't busy
enough.

[Newbie Bill]

As a bargain hunter to the nth degree I would hate to see this happen. But,
not knowing the numbers I cannot say how foolish this is or not. I would
suspect this policy is just for people like me - to encourage them to buy
them at retail, rollback or even clearance and not wait for 'giveaway'
pricing, lest they be gone. I am a self employed printer. All jobs are
overprinted to allow for loss during the bindery stage. I used to always
include any extras left over (instead of trashing them) untill I realized
people would order less or less frequently counting on getting some 'for
free'. What goodwill or perceived discount this made in the buying decision
is very difficult to say. However the industry pretty much follows this
rule, apparently believing the more you give away the more you are taking
out of your own pocket.
On the other hand:
Enforcement or policies may be different but just the other day I was at
Lowe's and spotted 8 planters the water lilies had been in. Again being a
bargain hunter to the nth degree I thought these would be great for future
planting. They were rectangular but were fairly deep, nice construction,
lip to grab them with and probably would not require a weight training
program to be able to pull them back out of the pond. I asked what was
going to happen with them and was told "People like you carry them out.
Take all you want". Eight seemed like a nice round number:)
Happy Bargain Hunting!
Bill Brister

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
> setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
> I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
> large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
> they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
> no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
> management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
> outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
> sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
> reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> back...........
>
> Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
> trashed before selling.
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[PlainBill]

It seems to be the typical 'dog in the manger' attitude at WalMart /
Sams Club. I attribute it to the large number of MBAs currently
infesting American business.

15 years or so ago (shortly after Sam Walton gave up his hands-on
control of the company) there was a big outcry over a change in policy
at the Sams Club bakeries. Previously the bakery would give the
outdated baked goods to local shelters for distribution to the
residents. Obviously, this was appreciated by The Salvation Army,
Women in Distress, and countless homeless shelters. Then Sams Club
discontinued the practice. According to the newspaper article, they
now ran all outdated bakery goods through a $50,000 'blender' they
had installed in each store. I could only hope that if the shelters
then had to buy their baked goods, they went to Costco.

PlainBill

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:05:08 GMT, (Roy)
wrote:

>Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
>setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
>I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
>large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
>they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
>no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
>management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
>outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
>sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
>reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
>they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
>back...........
>
>Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
>trashed before selling.
>Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
>Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
>I had no input whatsoever.
>Remove "nospam" from email addy.

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
-Thomas Paine

[Mike Patterson]

On Wed, 18 Aug 2004 01:23:16 GMT, "Crashj"
> wrote:

>
>"Lydia" > wrote in message
...
>> I used to work at Barnes & Noble.
><trim tale of evil rip off artist>
>> Sure enough, this guy comes into our store, picks the books we had in
>stock
>> that were on the receipt, off of our shelves and went up to the cashier to
>> ask for a refund. He ran away when we told him we knew what he had done.
><>
>By now you understand the cost of the book as an object is a minor part of
>the expected revenue to the owners of the intellectual property, so I hope
>that point is well made.
>As for the rip off artists, Wal-mart is the target of the largest organized
>group of thieves in the world, and it is not the mafia. The mafia stays in
>one place, these are the travelers.

For s secnd there I thought you were going to say "they are the
IRS"...

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

[Benign Vanilla]

"PlainBill" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> 15 years or so ago (shortly after Sam Walton gave up his hands-on
> control of the company) there was a big outcry over a change in policy
> at the Sams Club bakeries. Previously the bakery would give the
> outdated baked goods to local shelters for distribution to the
> residents. Obviously, this was appreciated by The Salvation Army,
> Women in Distress, and countless homeless shelters. Then Sams Club
> discontinued the practice. According to the newspaper article, they
> now ran all outdated bakery goods through a $50,000 'blender' they
> had installed in each store. I could only hope that if the shelters
> then had to buy their baked goods, they went to Costco.
<snip>

The issue of food is more complicated. I speak from experience working for a
supermarket. We were donating food to homeless shelters and were told to
stop due to lawsuits experienced by other markets, when people ate the food
and got sick.

BV.

[Peter Crowl]

Without reading every post in this thread - so at the risk of duplication -
has anybody considered that the vendor might have credited Wal-Mart for
these liners...it would probably cost too much to send back a dozen
liners...more than they're worth..and if so Wal-Mart would have been
required to destroy them

There is a similar example in book stores. Paperbacks that don't sell
....management is instructed to tear off the covers and dispose of them.

Peter

"PlainBill" > wrote in message
...
> It seems to be the typical 'dog in the manger' attitude at WalMart /
> Sams Club. I attribute it to the large number of MBAs currently
> infesting American business.
>
> 15 years or so ago (shortly after Sam Walton gave up his hands-on
> control of the company) there was a big outcry over a change in policy
> at the Sams Club bakeries. Previously the bakery would give the
> outdated baked goods to local shelters for distribution to the
> residents. Obviously, this was appreciated by The Salvation Army,
> Women in Distress, and countless homeless shelters. Then Sams Club
> discontinued the practice. According to the newspaper article, they
> now ran all outdated bakery goods through a $50,000 'blender' they
> had installed in each store. I could only hope that if the shelters
> then had to buy their baked goods, they went to Costco.
>
> PlainBill
>
> On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:05:08 GMT, (Roy)
> wrote:
>
> >Was at Wal MArt today and happened to see a heap of preformed ponds
> >setting on a pallet outside the garden section. (15 total preformed)
> >I looked at them and there were two sizes / shapes, both relatively
> >large in size, but no price on them..I inquired inside on how much
> >they were, (actually hoping they may be discounted for clearance) and
> >no one inside could tell me what the story was, so they called
> >management. Management came and I asked about the preformed ponds
> >outside and how much they were. I was promptly told they were not for
> >sale and were to be trashed.....and then.........She promptly
> >reminded the assocate there to make sure they were cut in two before
> >they got thrown in the large construction dumpster out
> >back...........
> >
> >Only in America.......where excess bountiful materials and goods are
> >trashed before selling.
> >Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> >Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> >I had no input whatsoever.
> >Remove "nospam" from email addy.
>
> He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression, for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that
will reach to himself.
> -Thomas Paine

[Roy]

Well I have been keeping an eye on the Wal Mart dumpster for when they
dump those liners. They are not currently anywhere outside like they
used to be but have yet to be dumped. While I was waiting for the
manager to talk to about those liners the other day I had spotted a
Water Gardening book, but forgot to pick it up before I left. Anyway
today I was at the other Wal Mart on the other side of
town..........which I have to say is like being in a whole different
world compared to the one I was at first. There foks were busy cleanin
g up lawn and garden items, taking care of plants etc, unlike the
other store who is usually busy dumping cartons of dead wilted plants
etc. I spotted a preformed pond with a three tier cascade water fall
and pump and fountain and started to look at it. It was marked at $79.
They had 9 in stock full complete pond kits contaiing a 600gph pump,
filter, foutain and the two preforms with thre larger pond itself
being a 90 gal cap. Made by Marcote (SP?) Smae liner along sells for
over $120 at most home builder stores like HD and Lowes. I inquired
if they had the water gardeing book I was looking for, (they did not)
and I mentioned, that I was now forced to go back to the "other"
walmart and get it. I then asked the person who happened to be the
ast. mgr in the garden center how was it that they had complete pond
kits on the shelf there but the other store had a heap of just liners
fixing to get trashed.........or do you soon plan on trashing those
kits too. He laughed and said "Oh the pond liner fiasco"

What happened was the manager they had at this other store screwed up
and ordered more than he needed. He did not have place to display them
all so he got the bright idea to break all the kits down and stack
liners in side liners and all parts in the top liner........Well one
thing lead to another and soon most parts were scattered all over.
Since none of the items were intended to be sold individually those
that cropped up laying here and there were tossed as they were not on
inventory per se as a single type item (pump, filter etc etc) This
clown also did the same with his overstock of wheel
barrows..........put all the tubs in one pile and piled in the wheels
and attaching hardware etc to conserve shelf space. Anyhow he
"managed" (he was a manager wasn't he?) to cost the company a few
bucks of lost merchandise and is no longer employed at the store, due
to this and his inept ability to manage folks yet alone merchandise.
Also found out that store had the highest rate of returns on dead or
inferior plants. The plant supplier puts out a good product, and
warrants it, however they only warrant it one time to Wal MArt, plant
for plant, after that its Wal MArts loss on additional plants.
Needless to say plants and in general anything in the lawn and garden
department was not taken care of properly, right down to the lawn
tractors etc. They also trashed a heap of well used and abused lawn
furniture as well that was literally setup and set outside and foks
just used as casual gathering places, and suceeded in trashing most of
it......So anyhow since the pond liners were never intended to be sold
individually they had to be cut up and thrown out........As far as
this other manager that was telling me this knew Wal MArt took the hit
on that and a lot of other screwups this manager made, who in th end
sufficiently screwed up enough to cost him his job. This particular
store is in a not too good side of town and clientel are not the
worlds greatest, and evidently they hire managers and clerks that go
hand in hand with the clientel they serve.

So I can;t really find fault with Wally World on this issue to a
certain point, wrong as it may seem by destroying the liners. They
have a given policy and they try and hold to the policy and to
introduce items not normally stocked on on a location list would foul
up things overall.

Sorry for the rant!
Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
I had no input whatsoever.
Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[Ka30P]

Thanks for the update, that was interesting and instructive ;-)


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[~ Windsong ~]

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
......I think there is much more to be gained for donating or
> giving items away to be used by those less fortunate or by those that
> really appreciate it even in a state of dissrepair than filling a
> landfill up and increasing the bank account.

## Amen. :o)

> I sure did not intend for my original post to get so lengthy
> especially when the only content about ponding was the fact they were
> going to destroy and trash the liners..........

## It's been an interesting thread.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Do stars clean themselves with meteor showers?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[D.S.]

>>>
Have YOU ever worked retail?

Tell you what. Get a corporate DM on your boss's ass telling him that he has
to cut employees hours because of corporate budget cuts and maintain
customer service. This means an entire store with only 5 people on staff,
one of them a manager, one of them an operations officer three of them
minimum wage sales associates.

The three sales associates have to unload 6-11 pallets of stock every other
day, and put it up during the course if an 8 hour, or likely less, shift
because part timers do not get benefits.

Then give those 3 sales associates time to answer the phones, help
customers, tidy the shelves and displays, check to be sure there are no
empty spaces on the shelves and refill them and run the cash registers.

Then, there are the customers who let their children pull the price labels
off of the store shelves as entertainment while the parents are oblivious to
their child's actions. Prices that change daily and a list of several dozen
items that must be relabeled.. by those same three employees.

Try it sometime.
Retail is allot harder than it looks from the customer's side of the
counter. If you want to blame someone, blame the sorporation, not the
employees. The company is to blame 80% of the time.

Kate<<<
__________________________________________________ __________

AMEN!!!!!

I am a manager of a convenience store. I am only allowed to have 1 or 2
employees on the clock per shift. The things that "customers" do is
outrageous!! I could tell you horror stories. Retail is a LOT harder than
it looks. My company starts all clerks out at min. wage, no matter how much
experience they have. And the only give me 2 days to train these employees.
That's not nearly long enough. They have installed cameras recently to help
cut down on employee theft. Employee theft counts for 80% of store losses.
That includes unintentional employee mistakes as well.

D.S.

[Crashj]

"D.S." > wrote in message
...
> Have YOU ever worked retail?
<>
Kate said:
> > Retail is allot harder than it looks from the customer's side of the
counter.
<>
> I am a manager of a convenience store.
<>
> Employee theft counts for 80% of store losses.

Boy, Howdy. I used to run a cell phone store selling prepaid service. Let me
tell you, employee theft was a big issue. One of the girls got stolen three
times in one week. Cute girl, too. Never did find her the last time.
--
Crashj

[Ka30P]

Crashj wrote >>One of the girls got stolen three
times in one week. Cute girl, too.<<

you are too evil ;-)


kathy :-)
algae primer
http://hometown.aol.com/ka30p/myhomepage/garden.html

[SVTKate]

I gave up retail management several years ago.
Corporate was the reason, that and my feet were killing me.

Perhaps if you walk a mile in a retail employee's shoes you won't be so
quick to spout off.
Yep, there are employees that goof off. You get it in every line of work.
The percentage of people that look down on customer service personnel in is
much too high.

I do not know if you have ever worked customer service, but again, I suggest
that those of you that condemn them walk a mile in the other guy's shoes.
The treatment received from all sides is difficult to deal with. Eventually
you have to fight to prevent becoming calloused. The working people are not
fond of the goof offs either but corporate makes it very difficult to get
rid of them.

Kate


"Mrs. Fricker" > wrote in message
...
| "SVTKate" > wrote:
|
| > If you want to blame someone, blame the sorporation, not the
| > employees. The company is to blame 80% of the time.
|
| It sounds like you don't like your job. Have you tried a different line
| of work. If you have to go around blaming people perhaps you aren't busy
| enough.

[SVTKate]

"D.S." > wrote

A kindred spirit .. thanks DS!
Kate

|
| AMEN!!!!!
|
| I am a manager of a convenience store. I am only allowed to have 1 or 2
| employees on the clock per shift. The things that "customers" do is
| outrageous!! I could tell you horror stories. Retail is a LOT harder
than
| it looks. My company starts all clerks out at min. wage, no matter how
much
| experience they have. And the only give me 2 days to train these
employees.
| That's not nearly long enough. They have installed cameras recently to
help
| cut down on employee theft. Employee theft counts for 80% of store
losses.
| That includes unintentional employee mistakes as well.
|
| D.S.
|
|

[Crashj]

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
<>
> Perhaps if you walk a mile in a retail employee's shoes you won't be so
> quick to spout off.

My Pappy always used to say, "Before you complain about someone, walk a mile
in their shoes. Then you'll be a mile away and you'll have their shoes."
--
Crashj "who has been on both sides of the counter and in the back room"
Johnson

[SVTKate]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message


| =========================
| Again you have a *management* problem then. Where is the store MANAGER
and
| ass't manager?

They are
Putting out fires.. Corporate, customer, employee
Doing the 20" stack of paperwork
Doing payroll
Going to the bank
Attending required confrence calls
Helping to unload trucks
Tracking down lost orders
Making sure that credits are issued for shrink
Training empolyees
Helping customers
Helping Employees
Employee reviews...
Shall I continue?

It's their job to know what's in the store room and
| trailers. The Wal-Marts and K-Marts here are set up in such a way that
| hiding merchandise is almost impossible.

Stealing from a big store would be easy if someone wanted to.
I'm not a thief, I like to sleep at night.
At Staples there were employees actually getting away with stealing
computers and digital cameras right off the shelf. Everyone was watching and
they finally caught the guys doing it.

As for discouraging sales....
| I've seldom had anyone in any of these stores do that. And the employees
| come and go so fast it can't possibly make a difference in the amount sold
| or not sold. The Lowe's here marks things down to unreal prices to move
| them in late summer. I paid 25¢ for beautiful hanging baskets of
| impatience and some other type of flower. The hanging baskets alone are
| worth over $1.49. The mini rose bushes were only 50¢ to a $1.00 each. I
| bough some large beautiful blooming angelwing begonias in fancy large pots
| for 50¢ each. There is nowhere the employees could be involved in all the
| stock that didn't sell over the summer. I'm not saying some employees
| aren't dishonest as I'm sure some are - but most left over merchandise is
| not the fault of the employees.
| Giving damaged or broken merchandise to employees is another matter. I
can
| see them "damaging" something so they can get it for free or dirt cheap -
| but leftover ponds, shrubs, trees and plants???

The plants just befuddle me. Why would they choose to let something die and
return it for credit rather than mark it down and let it find a home. I hate
to see dying plants.

Kate


| --
| Carol.... the frugal ponder...
| "If athletes get athletes foot, do astronauts get mistletoe?"
| ~~<~~<~~{@
| "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
| http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
| ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
|
|

[SVTKate]

*rolling her eyes*
sorry for the typos guys.. my fingers have gotten pretty clumsy.
that should have been "couple"
Kate

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
nk.net...
| I worked at Staples for a cuple of years.
| They had a policy of literally trashing (hammering it to smithereens)
| anything that was returned (after they got their credit from the
| manufacturer) if it was not in a package.
| The reason for this was so that people would not fish thngs back out of
the
| dumpster and then try to return it without a receipt.
|
| It seemed silly, but still made sense.
|
| Kate
|
| "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
| ...
| |
| | "Crashj" > wrote in message
| | hlink.net...
| | > "Jabba" > wrote in message
| | > ...
| | > Somebody reported:
| | > > > ## Wal-Mart used to sell off all their plants and trees (very
| | > reasonably)
| | > > > late in the season. You could get great deals. Then one of the
long
| | > time
| | > > > employee there told me they stopped that! They now trash them
| rather
| | > than
| | > > > mark them down.
| | > <>
| | > > What's the difference between your greed to get a bargain and the
| stock
| | > > holders greed?
| | >
| | > Friend ran a chicken place where the employees were not allowed to
take
| | home
| | > leftover chicken at closing, it went into the dumpster. Why? Simple,
| when
| | > they allowed it there was ALWAYS a full fryer at the end of the day.
| Maybe
| | > Wal-mart is protecting the stockholders from the associates?
| | > --
| | > Crashj
| | ===================================
| | That sounds like poor management to me as much as dishonest employees.
As
| | for places like Wal-Mart - that wouldn't apply. They are not the ones
who
| | order the pond and garden merchandise for the stores.
| | --
| | Carol.... the frugal ponder...
| | "Whenever you meet a man who would make a good husband,
| | you will usually find he's already married."
| | ~~<~~<~~{@
| | "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the
same."
| | http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
| | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| |
| |
| |
|
|

[Newbie Bill]

Comic relief- how refreshing and how very funny!
Thanxx

"Crashj" > wrote in message
nk.net...

>
> Boy, Howdy. I used to run a cell phone store selling prepaid service. Let
me
> tell you, employee theft was a big issue. One of the girls got stolen
three
> times in one week. Cute girl, too. Never did find her the last time.
> --
> Crashj
>
>

[SVTKate]

Thanks for the update.
:)
Kate

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
| Well I have been keeping an eye on the Wal Mart dumpster for when they
| dump those liners. They are not currently anywhere outside like they
| used to be but have yet to be dumped. While I was waiting for the
| manager to talk to about those liners the other day I had spotted a
| Water Gardening book, but forgot to pick it up before I left. Anyway
| today I was at the other Wal Mart on the other side of
| town..........which I have to say is like being in a whole different
| world compared to the one I was at first. There foks were busy cleanin
| g up lawn and garden items, taking care of plants etc, unlike the
| other store who is usually busy dumping cartons of dead wilted plants
| etc. I spotted a preformed pond with a three tier cascade water fall
| and pump and fountain and started to look at it. It was marked at $79.
| They had 9 in stock full complete pond kits contaiing a 600gph pump,
| filter, foutain and the two preforms with thre larger pond itself
| being a 90 gal cap. Made by Marcote (SP?) Smae liner along sells for
| over $120 at most home builder stores like HD and Lowes. I inquired
| if they had the water gardeing book I was looking for, (they did not)
| and I mentioned, that I was now forced to go back to the "other"
| walmart and get it. I then asked the person who happened to be the
| ast. mgr in the garden center how was it that they had complete pond
| kits on the shelf there but the other store had a heap of just liners
| fixing to get trashed.........or do you soon plan on trashing those
| kits too. He laughed and said "Oh the pond liner fiasco"
|
| What happened was the manager they had at this other store screwed up
| and ordered more than he needed. He did not have place to display them
| all so he got the bright idea to break all the kits down and stack
| liners in side liners and all parts in the top liner........Well one
| thing lead to another and soon most parts were scattered all over.
| Since none of the items were intended to be sold individually those
| that cropped up laying here and there were tossed as they were not on
| inventory per se as a single type item (pump, filter etc etc) This
| clown also did the same with his overstock of wheel
| barrows..........put all the tubs in one pile and piled in the wheels
| and attaching hardware etc to conserve shelf space. Anyhow he
| "managed" (he was a manager wasn't he?) to cost the company a few
| bucks of lost merchandise and is no longer employed at the store, due
| to this and his inept ability to manage folks yet alone merchandise.
| Also found out that store had the highest rate of returns on dead or
| inferior plants. The plant supplier puts out a good product, and
| warrants it, however they only warrant it one time to Wal MArt, plant
| for plant, after that its Wal MArts loss on additional plants.
| Needless to say plants and in general anything in the lawn and garden
| department was not taken care of properly, right down to the lawn
| tractors etc. They also trashed a heap of well used and abused lawn
| furniture as well that was literally setup and set outside and foks
| just used as casual gathering places, and suceeded in trashing most of
| it......So anyhow since the pond liners were never intended to be sold
| individually they had to be cut up and thrown out........As far as
| this other manager that was telling me this knew Wal MArt took the hit
| on that and a lot of other screwups this manager made, who in th end
| sufficiently screwed up enough to cost him his job. This particular
| store is in a not too good side of town and clientel are not the
| worlds greatest, and evidently they hire managers and clerks that go
| hand in hand with the clientel they serve.
|
| So I can;t really find fault with Wally World on this issue to a
| certain point, wrong as it may seem by destroying the liners. They
| have a given policy and they try and hold to the policy and to
| introduce items not normally stocked on on a location list would foul
| up things overall.
|
| Sorry for the rant!
| Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
| Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
| I had no input whatsoever.
| Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[Newbie Bill]

So what you're telling us is that this was a Rosanne Rosandana story.
Nevermind:)
Bill

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Well I have been keeping an eye on the Wal Mart dumpster for when they
> dump those liners. They are not currently anywhere outside like they
> used to be but have yet to be dumped. While I was waiting for the
> manager to talk to about those liners the other day I had spotted a
> Water Gardening book, but forgot to pick it up before I left. Anyway
> today I was at the other Wal Mart on the other side of
> town..........which I have to say is like being in a whole different
> world compared to the one I was at first. There foks were busy cleanin
> g up lawn and garden items, taking care of plants etc, unlike the
> other store who is usually busy dumping cartons of dead wilted plants
> etc. I spotted a preformed pond with a three tier cascade water fall
> and pump and fountain and started to look at it. It was marked at $79.
> They had 9 in stock full complete pond kits contaiing a 600gph pump,
> filter, foutain and the two preforms with thre larger pond itself
> being a 90 gal cap. Made by Marcote (SP?) Smae liner along sells for
> over $120 at most home builder stores like HD and Lowes. I inquired
> if they had the water gardeing book I was looking for, (they did not)
> and I mentioned, that I was now forced to go back to the "other"
> walmart and get it. I then asked the person who happened to be the
> ast. mgr in the garden center how was it that they had complete pond
> kits on the shelf there but the other store had a heap of just liners
> fixing to get trashed.........or do you soon plan on trashing those
> kits too. He laughed and said "Oh the pond liner fiasco"
>
> What happened was the manager they had at this other store screwed up
> and ordered more than he needed. He did not have place to display them
> all so he got the bright idea to break all the kits down and stack
> liners in side liners and all parts in the top liner........Well one
> thing lead to another and soon most parts were scattered all over.
> Since none of the items were intended to be sold individually those
> that cropped up laying here and there were tossed as they were not on
> inventory per se as a single type item (pump, filter etc etc) This
> clown also did the same with his overstock of wheel
> barrows..........put all the tubs in one pile and piled in the wheels
> and attaching hardware etc to conserve shelf space. Anyhow he
> "managed" (he was a manager wasn't he?) to cost the company a few
> bucks of lost merchandise and is no longer employed at the store, due
> to this and his inept ability to manage folks yet alone merchandise.
> Also found out that store had the highest rate of returns on dead or
> inferior plants. The plant supplier puts out a good product, and
> warrants it, however they only warrant it one time to Wal MArt, plant
> for plant, after that its Wal MArts loss on additional plants.
> Needless to say plants and in general anything in the lawn and garden
> department was not taken care of properly, right down to the lawn
> tractors etc. They also trashed a heap of well used and abused lawn
> furniture as well that was literally setup and set outside and foks
> just used as casual gathering places, and suceeded in trashing most of
> it......So anyhow since the pond liners were never intended to be sold
> individually they had to be cut up and thrown out........As far as
> this other manager that was telling me this knew Wal MArt took the hit
> on that and a lot of other screwups this manager made, who in th end
> sufficiently screwed up enough to cost him his job. This particular
> store is in a not too good side of town and clientel are not the
> worlds greatest, and evidently they hire managers and clerks that go
> hand in hand with the clientel they serve.
>
> So I can;t really find fault with Wally World on this issue to a
> certain point, wrong as it may seem by destroying the liners. They
> have a given policy and they try and hold to the policy and to
> introduce items not normally stocked on on a location list would foul
> up things overall.
>
> Sorry for the rant!
> Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
> Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
> I had no input whatsoever.
> Remove "nospam" from email addy.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Peter Crowl" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Without reading every post in this thread - so at the risk of
duplication -
> has anybody considered that the vendor might have credited Wal-Mart for
> these liners...it would probably cost too much to send back a dozen
> liners...more than they're worth..and if so Wal-Mart would have been
> required to destroy them
>
> There is a similar example in book stores. Paperbacks that don't sell
> ...management is instructed to tear off the covers and dispose of them.
>
> Peter
=================
All this waste and some people in the USA are going to bed hungry every
night. Old folks can afford their meds and the homeless population
grows....
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Do stars clean themselves with meteor showers?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
>
> The plants just befuddle me. Why would they choose to let something die
and
> return it for credit rather than mark it down and let it find a home. I
hate
> to see dying plants.
>
> Kate
========================
They die because nobody CARES! You have overworked employees making the
minimum wage and working lousy shifts. Most don't know a geranium from a
palm tree. Do you think they want to stand out there in the hot sun with a
hose? Even if they had the TIME to do it? They're just putting in time for
their measly pay check and the store managers don't care either. Look at
the horrible conditions in their old pet depts. No one cared that there
were tanks of DEAD stinking fish, starving hamsters and birds going belly up
for lack of water. Myself and a few friends used to call a main/district
office in Nashville and complain constantly, weekly - sometimes almost
daily. They finally got rid of the live pets and fish to our great joy.
These stores are all to CHEAP to hire a person to do nothing but CARE for
and water the plants and living things they carry. I doubt they'd go
bankrupt if they hired some oldster part time to come in daily and at least
make sure everything was watered.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Do stars clean themselves with meteor showers?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[HA HA Budys Here]

(Roy)

>He laughed and said "Oh the pond liner fiasco"

>What happened was the manager they had at this other store screwed up
>and ordered more than he needed.

Whatever you were told must have been done for the sake of either
entertainment, or keeping the story short. WalMart managers do not "order"
anything. Everything from how much of, and what type of stock, and where it is
displayed is decided by others, elsewhere.

As far as the summation about the rest of the retail shannanigans...
(Overworked employees, hours cut, pesky customers) U.S.A. is headed for hell in
a handbasket until we turn around this corporate infused idea that cheaper is
always better.

You can't complain about WalMart - you get exactly what you pay for in terms of
product and employee character.

[Robin]

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> I gave up retail management several years ago.
> Corporate was the reason, that and my feet were killing
me.
>
> Perhaps if you walk a mile in a retail employee's shoes
you won't be so
> quick to spout off.
> Yep, there are employees that goof off. You get it in
every line of work.
> The percentage of people that look down on customer
service personnel in is
> much too high.
>

I agree with you, I worked retail for a lot of years. You
have people come in that you can tell never worked a day in
retail in all of their lives; and they will be very rude and
condescending to hard working people. I developed a theory
back then that I still hardily believe. People should have
to get a shopping license, and in order to earn their
shopping license they should have to work in retail for just
a few days. It would be a learning experience for them.
Now I have a professional job, but I am still kind to
workers I see doing their best and can clearly identify one
that is not behaving professionally and complain in an
appropriate manner.


> I do not know if you have ever worked customer service,
but again, I suggest
> that those of you that condemn them walk a mile in the
other guy's shoes.
> The treatment received from all sides is difficult to deal
with. Eventually
> you have to fight to prevent becoming calloused. The
working people are not
> fond of the goof offs either but corporate makes it very
difficult to get
> rid of them.
>
> Kate
>
>
> "Mrs. Fricker" > wrote in message
> ...
> | "SVTKate" > wrote:
> |
> | > If you want to blame someone, blame the sorporation,
not the
> | > employees. The company is to blame 80% of the time.
> |
> | It sounds like you don't like your job. Have you tried
a different line
> | of work. If you have to go around blaming people perhaps
you aren't busy
> | enough.
>
>

[Crashj]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
...
<>
> All this waste and some people in the USA are going to bed hungry every
> night. Old folks can afford their meds and the homeless population
grows....
^^^^^^^
> --
> Carol.... the frugal ponder...

ITYM, "Can't" which may mean you have skipped yours for the day? ;-)

One of the things that I notice is the number of people taking massive
amounts of toxic prescription drugs who refuse to do the obvious things to
lead a healthier life and then want us to pay for all the drugs. Sheesh.
--
Crashj

[Benign Vanilla]

"SVTKate" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> I gave up retail management several years ago.
> Corporate was the reason, that and my feet were killing me.
<snip>

My parents think they forced me to go to college...what they don't know is
that I just didn't like working hard enough to stay in retail. I don't know
how you retailers do it.

BV.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Crashj" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
> ...
> <>
> > All this waste and some people in the USA are going to bed hungry every
> > night. Old folks can afford their meds and the homeless population
> grows....
> ^^^^^^^
> > --
> > Carol.... the frugal ponder...
========================================
> ITYM, "Can't" which may mean you have skipped yours for the day? ;-)

## I take thyroid medication. It's not expensive and it's covered by my
Insurance. :-) No need to skip taking it.

> One of the things that I notice is the number of people taking massive
> amounts of toxic prescription drugs who refuse to do the obvious things to
> lead a healthier life and then want us to pay for all the drugs. Sheesh.

## Agreed. I recently saw on TV that *OBESITY* and inactivity are the main
causes of so much ill health in the USA. Are you obese or inactive?

> Crashj
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Do stars clean themselves with meteor showers?"
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Crashj]

On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 14:09:58 -0500, "~ Windsong ~" > wrote:

>
>"Crashj" > wrote in message
ink.net...
<>
>> One of the things that I notice is the number of people taking massive
>> amounts of toxic prescription drugs who refuse to do the obvious things to
>> lead a healthier life and then want us to pay for all the drugs. Sheesh.
>
>## Agreed. I recently saw on TV that *OBESITY* and inactivity are the main
>causes of so much ill health in the USA. Are you obese or inactive?

Overweight but not obese according to Federal BMI standards.(27.1) As
for activity, I walk a mile with my wife at least three times a week.
I do all my own lawn chores (no big deal) and dug my own pond. In the
Winter I ski at least three times a week. Next week we start the new
diet with the newest diet plan based on selecting the good carbs we
need and not eating excessive meat and fat. It has been put together
by a doctor who is still very much alive, unlike Dr. Atkins who died
of a coronary, possibly related to his plan?
Mrs. Crashj also needs the thyroid pills. That was not the sort of
toxicity I was thinking about. Most of the heart, cholesterol,
allergy, and joint pain drugs so many are on a regular basis have side
effects that would scare the heck out of anyone that actually reads
the little papers from the pharmacist. I rely on more natural products
to keep the problems from happening in the first place.
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Crashj

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"Crashj" > wrote in message
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> Overweight but not obese according to Federal BMI standards.(27.1) As
> for activity, I walk a mile with my wife at least three times a week.
> I do all my own lawn chores (no big deal) and dug my own pond. In the
> Winter I ski at least three times a week. Next week we start the new
> diet with the newest diet plan based on selecting the good carbs we
> need and not eating excessive meat and fat. It has been put together
> by a doctor who is still very much alive, unlike Dr. Atkins who died
> of a coronary, possibly related to his plan?

** As far as I know even THIN people can have a coronary, although it's
usually those who are overweight that suffer such things. My mother had a
coronary when she was in her 40s. She was 105 lbs, 5' 5" tall - and very
active! Her cholesterol was always below 200. Then she developed high
blood pressure and had several strokes.... go figure!
The Atkins diet (and other low-carb diets) does work and heart attacks are
not a known side effect of these diets - if they're followed correctly.
The NYTimes had some good articles a few years back. There are reams of
info on the net regarding low-carb diets. I lost 46 lbs in 5 months
following one of them. :-) My cholesterol dropped from 230 down to 180
where it's staying. Low-carbing doesn't necessarily mean a grease laden,
fatty diet.

> Mrs. Crashj also needs the thyroid pills. That was not the sort of
> toxicity I was thinking about. Most of the heart, cholesterol,
> allergy, and joint pain drugs so many are on a regular basis have side
> effects that would scare the heck out of anyone that actually reads
> the little papers from the pharmacist.

** I agree.

I rely on more natural products
> to keep the problems from happening in the first place.
> --
> Crashj
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well.... researchers are now injecting genes into mice and turning them from fat
couch mice into slim, sleek and double their exercise endurance mice. this was in
the context of the olympics of course, cause there is no reason it cannot be done for
humans too.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/FutureTech/athletes_genetics_040824_csm.html

I recently saw on TV that *OBESITY* and inactivity are the main
>>causes of so much ill health in the USA.

......................... that is spelled c-o-m-a, coma as in fall down, hit head,
brain damage and death. Atkins did not die of heart disease as much as the"powers
that be" would like it to be so. everyone I know on the Atkins diet, including my
husband has lowered their total cholesterol and upped their good cholesterol. not
that cholesterol is predictive of heart attacks since 50% of people with heart
attacks have normal cholesterol. All that the hate fat/love your carbs diet has done
is create an entire generation of horribly fat children and adults and sent type 2
diabetes soaring.
Ingrid

unlike Dr. Atkins who died
>of a coronary, possibly related to his plan?



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[Crashj]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:49:51 GMT, wrote:

>well.... researchers are now injecting genes into mice and turning them from fat
>couch mice into slim, sleek and double their exercise endurance mice.
this was in
>the context of the olympics of course, cause there is no reason it cannot be done for
>humans too.
>http://abcnews.go.com/sections/scitech/FutureTech/athletes_genetics_040824_csm.html
>
> I recently saw on TV that *OBESITY* and inactivity are the main
>>>causes of so much ill health in the USA.
>
>........................ that is spelled c-o-m-a, coma as in fall down, hit head,
>brain damage and death. Atkins did not die of heart disease as much as the"powers
>that be" would like it to be so. everyone I know on the Atkins diet, including my
>husband has lowered their total cholesterol and upped their good cholesterol. not
>that cholesterol is predictive of heart attacks since 50% of people with heart
>attacks have normal cholesterol. All that the hate fat/love your carbs diet has done
>is create an entire generation of horribly fat children and adults and sent type 2
>diabetes soaring.
>Ingrid
>
>> unlike Dr. Atkins who died
>> of a coronary, possibly related to his plan?
>
>
>
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>Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>endorsements or recommendations I make.

I was going to say something responsive, but the threading on this top
bottom middle posted thing is hopeklessly screwed up.
Aaaanyway, the next step in diet will be to realize several things:
Not all meat is good for you.
Not all carbs are bad for you.
Regulating just your food intake is not enough to control your excess
body fat and inability to manage sugar levels.
Stay tuned.
--
Crashj
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