Insects?

[Sam]

I have a tank that I try to make more like a natural stream. It has some
minnows, some shrimp, some plants, but is missing insects, worms and etc.

Anyone ever try having waterbugs or rotifers or such things in a tank?
Can they be kept under control? My ponds have plenty but there are insect
carnivors in the ponds... I wouldn't want dragnofly larvae to hatch out into
the living room.


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[RedForeman ©®]

|| I have a tank that I try to make more like a natural stream. It
|| has some minnows, some shrimp, some plants, but is missing insects,
|| worms and etc.

Can't you just use your imagination?? I suppose you could, but if you want
worms, you'll have to have a dirt/mud bottom, etc... sounds like more
trouble than it's worth....

|| Anyone ever try having waterbugs or rotifers or such things in a
|| tank? Can they be kept under control? My ponds have plenty but there
|| are insect carnivors in the ponds... I wouldn't want dragnofly
|| larvae to hatch out into the living room.

Or misquitos, or water fleas, or... if you're going to have a stream
tank, you might as well have a duck too....

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"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
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> Or misquitos, or water fleas, or... if you're going to have a stream
> tank, you might as well have a duck too....
>
No, that wouldnt work. The duck would hit its head on the hood.

[Happy'Cam'per]

"blank" > wrote in message
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>
> "RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > Or misquitos, or water fleas, or... if you're going to have a stream
> > tank, you might as well have a duck too....
> >
> No, that wouldnt work. The duck would hit its head on the hood.
>
>

*****ing myself* LOL
And of course all the little pieces of bread you have to throw in for the
duck will mess up your quality.
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[Anandan Tanabalan]

Seriously, though...

I used to have a small tank with a mix. the setup lasted from 6 years-old
until girls and beer.

I had posted before but got little response.

I had several asellus (Water louse) cleaning-up after my snails, shrimp and
goldfish

A small colony of daphnia (water flea) managed to survive amongst the
plants, despite the best efforts of the fish.
(watch out for hydra though)

I am attempting the same again.

I have started with the easier organisms; Plants, Shrimp, fleas and snails.

I appear to also have got some triops (carnivorous shrimp that eat the
veggie shrimp and fleas) I am now trying not to. Once I have sorted them out
I will stock-up with the fish.
Apparently, Triops do not form a continuous population, so I just need to
wait it out and hope not activate any more dormant eggs.

There appear to be a couple of surface bugs on my floating plants but I
don't think that the system will provide enough food for them long-term.

Tana.



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"Sam" > wrote in message
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>
> I have a tank that I try to make more like a natural stream. It has
some
> minnows, some shrimp, some plants, but is missing insects, worms and etc.
>
> Anyone ever try having waterbugs or rotifers or such things in a tank?
> Can they be kept under control? My ponds have plenty but there are insect
> carnivors in the ponds... I wouldn't want dragnofly larvae to hatch out
into
> the living room.
>
>
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[Sam]

Anandan Tanabalan mumbled into his oatmeal :
>
> I had several asellus (Water louse) cleaning-up after my snails,
> shrimp and goldfish
>
> A small colony of daphnia (water flea) managed to survive amongst the
> plants, despite the best efforts of the fish.
> (watch out for hydra though)
>
> I am attempting the same again.

Thanks for replying.

I'm thinking about adding, from my smaller back porch ponds, Saucer bugs
(Ilyocoris cimicoides) and Whirlygig beetles (Gyrindae) but I need a food
source for them. The saucer bug can eat water fleas (I seem to remember from
somewhere) but the whirlygig beetle is claimed to eat insects from the
surface and I can't find anything in my pond that they might be eating that
I would let in my house. There are some very small gnats that they are
probably eating, but no way I am bringing flying insects into the house.

What was your problem with hydra? I haven't found any in the ponds, but
do they over-populate or something?





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[Happy'Cam'per]

Hydra can kill baby fish fry.
I think your idea is cool but you run a massive risk of introducing disease
and other nasties into the tank. The fish outside in your pond will be
immune to all of that but your inside aquarium is a closed system and leaves
the fish particularly vulnerable to anything new introduced to the tank.
Personally I would not do it but everyones different. You'll have to make up
your own mind! I wish u luck...
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"Sam" > wrote in message
om...
> Anandan Tanabalan mumbled into his oatmeal :
> >
> > I had several asellus (Water louse) cleaning-up after my snails,
> > shrimp and goldfish
> >
> > A small colony of daphnia (water flea) managed to survive amongst the
> > plants, despite the best efforts of the fish.
> > (watch out for hydra though)
> >
> > I am attempting the same again.
>
> Thanks for replying.
>
> I'm thinking about adding, from my smaller back porch ponds, Saucer
bugs
> (Ilyocoris cimicoides) and Whirlygig beetles (Gyrindae) but I need a food
> source for them. The saucer bug can eat water fleas (I seem to remember
from
> somewhere) but the whirlygig beetle is claimed to eat insects from the
> surface and I can't find anything in my pond that they might be eating
that
> I would let in my house. There are some very small gnats that they are
> probably eating, but no way I am bringing flying insects into the house.
>
> What was your problem with hydra? I haven't found any in the ponds,
but
> do they over-populate or something?
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Sam-I-Am
> It is never a mistake to say good-bye.
>
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|| Hydra can kill baby fish fry.
|| I think your idea is cool but you run a massive risk of introducing
|| disease and other nasties into the tank. The fish outside in your
|| pond will be immune to all of that but your inside aquarium is a
|| closed system and leaves the fish particularly vulnerable to
|| anything new introduced to the tank. Personally I would not do it
|| but everyones different. You'll have to make up your own mind! I
|| wish u luck... --
|| **So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

Yeah, the idea is great... in a tightly closed top, maybe even some out of
the water growth, and a few insects wouldn't be so bad... add an archer fish
and it'll keep the climbers under control, add a few gourami to keep the
waterfleas down and sure it 'could' work... but not in MY house... how
'bout yours, never mind the kids, we'll don them with scrubbers and throw
them in....

....did I mention, my idea is around 2000g? oh... that'd be an indoor pond...
I know...

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[Robert Flory]

"Sam" > wrote in message
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>way I am bringing flying insects into the house.
>
> What was your problem with hydra? I haven't found any in the ponds, but
> do they over-populate or something?
>
>
They eat the fry and raise hell with smaller fish. Can be nasty to get rid
of if you don't like chemicals.
Bob

[Robert Flory]

"Sam" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> I have a tank that I try to make more like a natural stream. It has
> some
> minnows, some shrimp, some plants, but is missing insects, worms and etc.
>
> Anyone ever try having waterbugs or rotifers or such things in a tank?
> Can they be kept under control? My ponds have plenty but there are insect
> carnivors in the ponds... I wouldn't want dragnofly larvae to hatch out
> into
> the living room.
>
>
> --
> Sam-I-Am
> Ideas on Earth are badges of friendship or enmity.
Once when I was student teaching 7th graders life science, I put a half a
bucket of mud from a pot hole on the edge of the Snake River. It took a
week for the water to clear .... a whole slew of critters emerged, including
a dragon fly larvae that ate most everything else.... Kids loved it.

Bob