Eye Fungus on Koi

[Marianne]

Hello,
My koi that I have had for 13 years has some white fuzzy stuff growing
from the folds around the edge of one eye socket. I have read about
Formalin and Malachite Green and treated the entire pond every other
day for 10 days. The eye appears to be the same. All other koi and
goldfish in the pond seem fine. The affected koi has become more
"shy", not wanted to eat food unless it floats away into a more
private place. I think he feels fulnerable to the other fish, and/or
cannot see very well. Any suggestions on what to do please? Thank
you Very Much in advance.

[George]

"Marianne" > wrote in message
om...
> Hello,
> My koi that I have had for 13 years has some white fuzzy stuff growing
> from the folds around the edge of one eye socket. I have read about
> Formalin and Malachite Green and treated the entire pond every other
> day for 10 days. The eye appears to be the same. All other koi and
> goldfish in the pond seem fine. The affected koi has become more
> "shy", not wanted to eat food unless it floats away into a more
> private place. I think he feels fulnerable to the other fish, and/or
> cannot see very well. Any suggestions on what to do please? Thank
> you Very Much in advance.

Try isolating the fish in a separate tank or large tupperware tub, with an
aerator to provide oxygen, then dose the water with Maracyn II for at least five
days. I would personally dose it for a week. If after a week, it is not
better, you can dose for two weeks. If it is still not any better, then you
might want to call a vet and ask for advice. Of course, if at any time the fish
gets worse, call a vet. Here is a link to their web site.

http://www.mardel-labs.com/mardel/f_amedi.html

[Phisherman]

On 22 Aug 2004 16:43:56 -0700, (Marianne)
wrote:

>Hello,
>My koi that I have had for 13 years has some white fuzzy stuff growing
>from the folds around the edge of one eye socket. I have read about
>Formalin and Malachite Green and treated the entire pond every other
>day for 10 days. The eye appears to be the same. All other koi and
>goldfish in the pond seem fine. The affected koi has become more
>"shy", not wanted to eat food unless it floats away into a more
>private place. I think he feels fulnerable to the other fish, and/or
>cannot see very well. Any suggestions on what to do please? Thank
>you Very Much in advance.


The dye medications are fine, but I have used salt baths for goldfish
with fungus with excellent results. A mild bath for 45 minutes or a
strong bath for 10 minutes works for me. Use sea salt or aquarium
salt.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Mon, 23 Aug 2004 01:35:11 GMT, Phisherman > wrote:

>The dye medications are fine, but I have used salt baths for goldfish
>with fungus with excellent results. A mild bath for 45 minutes or a
>strong bath for 10 minutes works for me. Use sea salt or aquarium
>salt.

I'd go this route, salt first, adding some to the pond. Course I'd really
like to know what the OP's water quality numbers are, but since I rarely
get people to fill out the sick fish form, I'd say go here:

http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/home.html Click on Diseases and
Treatments. ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

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"George" > wrote in message
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>
> Try isolating the fish in a separate tank or large tupperware tub, with an
> aerator to provide oxygen, .....
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And watch the AMMONIA soar.
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[George]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
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>
> "George" > wrote in message
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>> Try isolating the fish in a separate tank or large tupperware tub, with an
>> aerator to provide oxygen, .....
> ==================
> And watch the AMMONIA soar.

You can control the ammonia level by either putting a small filter in the tub
with ammocarb, or do partial water changes every couple of days. I've not had a
problem with doing this. If the fish isn't eating, it certainly isn't
defacating.

[~ Windsong ~]

"George" > wrote in message
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> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "George" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >>
> >> Try isolating the fish in a separate tank or large tupperware tub, with
an
> >> aerator to provide oxygen, .....
> > ==================
> > And watch the AMMONIA soar.
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> You can control the ammonia level by either putting a small filter in the
tub
> with ammocarb,

** This only works for a few hours - been there, done that. One medium
sized koi can produce a lot of ammonia in a tub. I was doing water changes
3 to 4 times a day.

or do partial water changes every couple of days.

** Only if you have a filter already up and working with nitrifying
bacteria. I was getting ammonia readings after a few hours.

I've not had a
> problem with doing this. If the fish isn't eating, it certainly isn't
> defacating.

** Ammonia comes from their gills as well as from their feces and urine.
Mine weren't eating at the time either.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Marriage changes passion. Suddenly you're in bed with a relative."
~~<~~<~~{@
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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[George]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
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>
> "George" > wrote in message
> . ..
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>> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > "George" > wrote in message
>> > . ..
>> >>
>> >> Try isolating the fish in a separate tank or large tupperware tub, with
> an
>> >> aerator to provide oxygen, .....
>> > ==================
>> > And watch the AMMONIA soar.
> ======================================
>> You can control the ammonia level by either putting a small filter in the
> tub
>> with ammocarb,
>
> ** This only works for a few hours - been there, done that. One medium
> sized koi can produce a lot of ammonia in a tub. I was doing water changes
> 3 to 4 times a day.
>
> or do partial water changes every couple of days.
>
> ** Only if you have a filter already up and working with nitrifying
> bacteria. I was getting ammonia readings after a few hours.

You can use some of the filter material from the pond filter as starter material
(I didn't do this, though, because I wasn't having a problem with ammonia) and
some of the water from the pond (which has bacteria in it). If the medicine you
use doesn't hurt the beneficial bacteria, it will work fine, and the bad
bacteria will be killed.

> I've not had a
>> problem with doing this. If the fish isn't eating, it certainly isn't
>> defacating.
>
> ** Ammonia comes from their gills as well as from their feces and urine.
> Mine weren't eating at the time either.

That is true. Having said that, I just got done treating my big catfish today,
who's been sick for over two weeks now (he had ESC). I only did partial water
changes every two days (because I like to keep the anti-biotic and other
medicine concentration from being diluted too much), aerated the water
vigorously, added maracyn, maracyn II, and a 1/4 dose of melafix every morning,
and he's back in the pond now. I used all three because I've found that the
Maracyn II will treat the illness rather nicely, while the maracyn will prevent
a secondary infection which catfish sometimes get with ESC, and the melafix
helps the fins and soothes the skin. It hasn't started eating yet, but he's a
little skiddish from the move. I'm happy to report that all the red patches on
its skin, gills (which were bad), fins, mouth (which was the worse part), and
nostrils have cleared up completely. It's swimming normally (only hiding when I
move around the pond. But what fish wouldn't after what it's been through?).
I'm going to try to feed it in the morning, if I can coax it to the surface with
some cut up pieces of shrimp (it usually hangs out near the surface in the
morning and the evening). I think it'll be ok. The ammonia never got above
normal levels.

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call Jo Ann 251-649-4790
I havent heard of fungus around the eye before. Ingrid

(Marianne) wrote:

>Hello,
>My koi that I have had for 13 years has some white fuzzy stuff growing
>from the folds around the edge of one eye socket. I have read about
>Formalin and Malachite Green and treated the entire pond every other
>day for 10 days. The eye appears to be the same. All other koi and
>goldfish in the pond seem fine. The affected koi has become more
>"shy", not wanted to eat food unless it floats away into a more
>private place. I think he feels fulnerable to the other fish, and/or
>cannot see very well. Any suggestions on what to do please? Thank
>you Very Much in advance.



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[George]

> wrote in message
...
> call Jo Ann 251-649-4790
> I havent heard of fungus around the eye before. Ingrid

Saproglenia Fungus causes a cottony growth over the eye, and is treated by
malachite green, copper safe, or forma green. Since she has treated the pond
with malachite green for 10 days with no good results, that may not be the
problem. Here is a chart of fish eye disorders:

http://www.fishyfarmacy.com/fish_diseases/eyes.html

The page contains links to various diagnostic charts. Enjoy.

> (Marianne) wrote:
>
>>Hello,
>>My koi that I have had for 13 years has some white fuzzy stuff growing
>>from the folds around the edge of one eye socket. I have read about
>>Formalin and Malachite Green and treated the entire pond every other
>>day for 10 days. The eye appears to be the same. All other koi and
>>goldfish in the pond seem fine. The affected koi has become more
>>"shy", not wanted to eat food unless it floats away into a more
>>private place. I think he feels fulnerable to the other fish, and/or
>>cannot see very well. Any suggestions on what to do please? Thank
>>you Very Much in advance.
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

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I would think it would also be affecting the gills of the fish and the eye problem
would be least of its worries. Ingrid

"George" > wrote:

>
> wrote in message
...
>> call Jo Ann 251-649-4790
>> I havent heard of fungus around the eye before. Ingrid
>
>Saproglenia Fungus causes a cottony growth over the eye, and is treated by
>malachite green, copper safe, or forma green. Since she has treated the pond
>with malachite green for 10 days with no good results, that may not be the
>problem. Here is a chart of fish eye disorders:


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[George]

> wrote in message
...
>I would think it would also be affecting the gills of the fish and the eye
>problem
> would be least of its worries. Ingrid

I don't know that this fungus affects the gills.

> "George" > wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
...
>>> call Jo Ann 251-649-4790
>>> I havent heard of fungus around the eye before. Ingrid
>>
>>Saproglenia Fungus causes a cottony growth over the eye, and is treated by
>>malachite green, copper safe, or forma green. Since she has treated the pond
>>with malachite green for 10 days with no good results, that may not be the
>>problem. Here is a chart of fish eye disorders:
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

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http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/gill_disorders.html
F. Cotton-like threads grow on the operculum (gill plate) or gill filaments

Ingrid

"George" > wrote:
>I don't know that this fungus affects the gills.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
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[George]

> wrote in message
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> http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/gill_disorders.html
> F. Cotton-like threads grow on the operculum (gill plate) or gill filaments
>
> Ingrid
>
> "George" > wrote:
>>I don't know that this fungus affects the gills.
>

Now I do know. Thanks for the information. Have you ever tried acroflavine for
this illness on fish before?

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never had the problem on a fish. Ingrid

"George" > wrote:

>
> wrote in message
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>> http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/gill_disorders.html
>> F. Cotton-like threads grow on the operculum (gill plate) or gill filaments
>>
>> Ingrid
>>
>> "George" > wrote:
>>>I don't know that this fungus affects the gills.
>>
>
>Now I do know. Thanks for the information. Have you ever tried acroflavine for
>this illness on fish before?
>



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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
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[George]

> wrote in message
...
> never had the problem on a fish. Ingrid

Neither have I. That is why I was quite surprised to find that it could affect
the gills.

> "George" > wrote:
>
>>
> wrote in message
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>>> http://www.nationalfishpharm.com/fish_diseases/gill_disorders.html
>>> F. Cotton-like threads grow on the operculum (gill plate) or gill
>>> filaments
>>>
>>> Ingrid
>>>
>>> "George" > wrote:
>>>>I don't know that this fungus affects the gills.
>>>
>>
>>Now I do know. Thanks for the information. Have you ever tried acroflavine
>>for
>>this illness on fish before?
>>
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.