Racks for positioning marginals etc

[Roy]

After planting the wife 1/2 barrel it did not take much in the line of
plants , actually the pots or bricks used to hold up marginals to
proper level and have the tank become quite diminished in overall
space for fish. I am surprised some company has not yet come up with
racks to hold pots at different levels and eliminate the need for pots
and bricks to support them. Lots of preformed ponds do not have
planting ledges, especially 1/2 barrel liners.

I had some 1/4" round steel rods and fashioned up some racks that
support the plants pots at the prescribed depths. They are in the form
of 1/2 circles that fit around the sides of the tub at pproper depth
for marginals. If a bit higher height is needed a flat stone placed
on the rack top and under the pot does the trick. There are two
support rods that go around the liners inside spaced approx 3 inches
apart, and they are supported by legs made of the same material. I
know they will eventually rust no matter how much paint is applied to
them, but its the start of a possible future impproved version. I can
fashion these same racks from stainless steel rod, or even use regular
steel and powder coat or dip them in a vynil dip, both of which would
last being submerged in water. They have a coating for stainless
steel that will blacken it so that is also an option so you do not see
it in the water, but I would assume it would get green anyhow with
normal algae growth.

Is this a feasible project to pursue or am I wasting my time. I do
know that it has made a vast improvement in space available to fish
and water is relatively free circulating now.

Regards
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[Crashj]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:46:00 GMT, (Roy)
wrote:

>After planting the wife 1/2 barrel it did not take much in the line of
>plants , actually the pots or bricks used to hold up marginals to
>proper level and have the tank become quite diminished in overall
>space for fish. I am surprised some company has not yet come up with
>racks to hold pots at different levels and eliminate the need for pots
>and bricks to support them. Lots of preformed ponds do not have
>planting ledges, especially 1/2 barrel liners.
>
>I had some 1/4" round steel rods and fashioned up some racks that
>support the plants pots at the prescribed depths.

Well the first option is another pot, upside down. That does not solve
the problem the way your idea does, however. I like the idea very
much. I am concerned about the metal in the water in the long run. It
will eventually rust away. SS would be too expensive.
You have solved the problem for your pond, are you interested in
developing a support grid concept for production? Contact me at my
real email, "crashj" at mindspring.com
--
Crashj
--
Crashj

[Roy]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:16:09 GMT, Crashj
> wrote:

>===<>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:46:00 GMT, (Roy)
>===<>wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>After planting the wife 1/2 barrel it did not take much in the line of
>===<>>plants , actually the pots or bricks used to hold up marginals to
>===<>>proper level and have the tank become quite diminished in overall
>===<>>space for fish. I am surprised some company has not yet come up with
>===<>>racks to hold pots at different levels and eliminate the need for pots
>===<>>and bricks to support them. Lots of preformed ponds do not have
>===<>>planting ledges, especially 1/2 barrel liners.
>===<>>
>===<>>I had some 1/4" round steel rods and fashioned up some racks that
>===<>>support the plants pots at the prescribed depths.
>===<>
>===<>Well the first option is another pot, upside down. That does not solve
>===<>the problem the way your idea does, however. I like the idea very
>===<>much. I am concerned about the metal in the water in the long run. It
>===<>will eventually rust away. SS would be too expensive.
>===<>You have solved the problem for your pond, are you interested in
>===<>developing a support grid concept for production? Contact me at my
>===<>real email, "crashj" at mindspring.com
>===<>--
>===<>Crashj


Crashj
Stainless steel all by itself is not any more expensive than regular
carbon steel, after you consider that you have to coat it etc, it all
comes out to about the same price overall, especially when you
consider the small quanity it would take to make these type support
grids.. As to fabricating with stainless, a project such as this would
not curtail any special welding operations etc and would be no harder
than utilizing carbon steels. Sometimes it seems just because an item
is made of stainless steel it has to cost 3 times as much, but look at
stainless steel utensiles and they are relatively cheap today. Even a
high density plastic like ABS, Polypropelyene or PVC would be doable
with injection molding process. I am not in the market to "produce or
market" such an item, I just like to tinker and build what I need, but
I honestly think there is a potential for this idea, at least in my
own mind I feel that way.

I have some small diameter stainless rod, that I intend to fashion a
grid (i like the term grid that you used) once I think about this a
bit more and see what changes may or may not have to be made after a
bit of use on the one I have made now. I am not sure on spacing of the
two horizontal support rails in relationship to pot size, and a happy
medium as to depth needs to be worked out further.

Regards

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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

I sure be interested in whatever y'all come up with. I have a couple stock
tanks I'd love to hang a grid, rather than having something covering the
bottom. ~ jan


>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 11:23:48 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:16:09 GMT, Crashj
> wrote:
>
>>===<>On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 01:46:00 GMT, (Roy)
>>===<>wrote:
>>===<>
>>===<>>After planting the wife 1/2 barrel it did not take much in the line of
>>===<>>plants , actually the pots or bricks used to hold up marginals to
>>===<>>proper level and have the tank become quite diminished in overall
>>===<>>space for fish. I am surprised some company has not yet come up with
>>===<>>racks to hold pots at different levels and eliminate the need for pots
>>===<>>and bricks to support them. Lots of preformed ponds do not have
>>===<>>planting ledges, especially 1/2 barrel liners.
>>===<>>
>>===<>>I had some 1/4" round steel rods and fashioned up some racks that
>>===<>>support the plants pots at the prescribed depths.
>>===<>
>>===<>Well the first option is another pot, upside down. That does not solve
>>===<>the problem the way your idea does, however. I like the idea very
>>===<>much. I am concerned about the metal in the water in the long run. It
>>===<>will eventually rust away. SS would be too expensive.
>>===<>You have solved the problem for your pond, are you interested in
>>===<>developing a support grid concept for production? Contact me at my
>>===<>real email, "crashj" at mindspring.com
>>===<>--
>>===<>Crashj
>
>
>Crashj
>Stainless steel all by itself is not any more expensive than regular
>carbon steel, after you consider that you have to coat it etc, it all
>comes out to about the same price overall, especially when you
>consider the small quanity it would take to make these type support
>grids.. As to fabricating with stainless, a project such as this would
>not curtail any special welding operations etc and would be no harder
>than utilizing carbon steels. Sometimes it seems just because an item
>is made of stainless steel it has to cost 3 times as much, but look at
>stainless steel utensiles and they are relatively cheap today. Even a
>high density plastic like ABS, Polypropelyene or PVC would be doable
>with injection molding process. I am not in the market to "produce or
>market" such an item, I just like to tinker and build what I need, but
>I honestly think there is a potential for this idea, at least in my
>own mind I feel that way.
>
>I have some small diameter stainless rod, that I intend to fashion a
>grid (i like the term grid that you used) once I think about this a
>bit more and see what changes may or may not have to be made after a
>bit of use on the one I have made now. I am not sure on spacing of the
>two horizontal support rails in relationship to pot size, and a happy
>medium as to depth needs to be worked out further.
>
>Regards
>
>Visit my website: http://www.frugalmachinist.com
>Opinions expressed are those of my wife,
>I had no input whatsoever.
>Remove "nospam" from email addy.

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Roy]

On Wed, 25 Aug 2004 02:16:09 GMT, Crashj
> wrote:

snip
>===<>You have solved the problem for your pond, are you interested in
>===<>developing a support grid concept for production? Contact me at my
>===<>real email, "crashj" at mindspring.com
>===<>--
>===<>Crashj

Yet another kill file added.....man is this ever a heap of fun. I just
love kill files...............

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Crashj]

On or about Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:22:17 GMT, (Roy)
wrote something like:
<>
>Yet another kill file added.....man is this ever a heap of fun. I just
>love kill files...............

Mee too. Goodbye and thanks for all the phish.
--
Crashj

[Roy]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:47:13 GMT, Crashj
> wrote:

>===<>On or about Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:22:17 GMT, (Roy)
>===<>wrote something like:
>===<><>
>===<>>Yet another kill file added.....man is this ever a heap of fun. I just
>===<>>love kill files...............
>===<>
>===<>Mee too. Goodbye and thanks for all the phish.

Your welcome I'm sure!

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS