Angel fish - rubbish parents?

[Andrew T. Austin]

I have a pair of angel fish that are managing to spawn almost every
fortnight (!), the only thing is, they fail to remove the unfertilised eggs
(which seem to be about 25%) and the lot rot very quickly.

Any suggestions?

They are in a 24" tank, undergravel filter, live plants, sharing with a few
neons and a couple of corys. Water not adjusted for pH or GH..

Thanks in advance,


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[bassett]

At leat they don't eat them, what about the eggs that are fertile, do they
hatch,
Fourteen days seems a very short time, if they have young, or do you remove
them.




"Andrew T. Austin" > wrote in message
...
> I have a pair of angel fish that are managing to spawn almost every
> fortnight (!), the only thing is, they fail to remove the unfertilised
eggs
> (which seem to be about 25%) and the lot rot very quickly.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> They are in a 24" tank, undergravel filter, live plants, sharing with a
few
> neons and a couple of corys. Water not adjusted for pH or GH..
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Andrew T. Austin
> still alive in Southampton, UK
> _____________________
> NLP, Neurology, Schizophrenia: http://www.23NLPeople.com
> Phantom Limb Pain: http://www.PhantomLimb.org.uk
>
>
> "Survival-conducive diverse experience drives neural activation in a
> commensurately-diverse fashion, which, because neuronal microscopic
> trophic modifications occur in a way that 'reflects' the neural
> activation that actually occurs, generates diverse neuronal
> microscopic modifications, which simultaneously preserves
> relatively-more neurons, and allows TD E/I-minimized convergence
> among them to occur in commensurately more ways."
>
> Kenneth Collins on bionet.neuroscience
>
>
>
>
>

[Andrew T. Austin]

"bassett" > wrote in message
...
> At leat they don't eat them, what about the eggs that are fertile, do they
> hatch,
> Fourteen days seems a very short time, if they have young, or do you
remove
> them.

They don't get a chance to hatch, they just all rot. I`m suspecting that
they aren't ever fertilised in the first place. No batches of eggs have
hatched yet. I must admit, a two week turn around time did surprise me too.

[Sandy Birrell]

Andrew T. Austin wrote:
> "bassett" > wrote in message
> ...

> They don't get a chance to hatch, they just all rot. I`m suspecting
> that they aren't ever fertilised in the first place. No batches of
> eggs have hatched yet. I must admit, a two week turn around time did
> surprise me too.

Maybe they are two females.

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[Andrew T. Austin]

"Sandy Birrell" > wrote in message
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>
> Maybe they are two females.
>


Hmmm...now this is something that hadn't occured to me - lesbian angel fish.
Is this common? Never heard of fish paring off like this, but would sure
explain the apparent fast turn around in egg laying.

[Sandy Birrell]

Andrew T. Austin wrote:
> Hmmm...now this is something that hadn't occured to me - lesbian
> angel fish. Is this common? Never heard of fish paring off like
> this, but would sure explain the apparent fast turn around in egg
> laying.

It can happen, how common it is I don't know.

Have a look at these sites.

http://websvirginia.com/angels/sexing/

http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/cichlids_neotropical/angel_fish_breeding.htm


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[Samuel Warren]

I have a female laying eggs, and I noticed my 2ndangel hovers over the eggs
and emulates the female. But I have see no additional eggs or sperm cloud
come form this Angel, So I have no idea what sex the second is. Will the
female angel only lay eggs if the other is male or does it not matter.


This message was written on 100% recycled spam. SAM >>


"Sandy Birrell" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew T. Austin wrote:
> > Hmmm...now this is something that hadn't occured to me - lesbian
> > angel fish. Is this common? Never heard of fish paring off like
> > this, but would sure explain the apparent fast turn around in egg
> > laying.
>
> It can happen, how common it is I don't know.
>
> Have a look at these sites.
>
> http://websvirginia.com/angels/sexing/
>
>
http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/cichlids_neotropical/angel_fish_breeding.htm
>
>
> --
>
>
> Don`t Worry, Be Happy
>
> Sandy
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>
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> Looking for a webhost? Try http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=2966019
>
>

[bassett]

It comes down to the old saying ""Two's a Pair""

I had the very same problem, Then right out of no-where I had fry.
after months of nothing. I have 4 Angles in a 3 foot tank, One definite pair
[with fry ] and two others that just lay eggs, But then so did the
established pair. I divided off the tank, Glass barrier, to prevent the
parents getting hassled, So what happens, some of the Fry find a way to get
past the glass, and now Uncle and Aunty, are reacting the same as the
parents.

Also another consideration is what diet are you feeding, If your only feed a
high protein diet [ brine shrimp, blood worms,etc ] this will promote
breeding attempts, Do you know how old your Angles are, and about how big
are they..
bassett


"Samuel Warren" > wrote in message
...
> I have a female laying eggs, and I noticed my 2ndangel hovers over the
eggs
> and emulates the female. But I have see no additional eggs or sperm cloud
> come form this Angel, So I have no idea what sex the second is. Will the
> female angel only lay eggs if the other is male or does it not matter.
>
>
> This message was written on 100% recycled spam. SAM >>
>
>
> "Sandy Birrell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Andrew T. Austin wrote:
> > > Hmmm...now this is something that hadn't occured to me - lesbian
> > > angel fish. Is this common? Never heard of fish paring off like
> > > this, but would sure explain the apparent fast turn around in egg
> > > laying.
> >
> > It can happen, how common it is I don't know.
> >
> > Have a look at these sites.
> >
> > http://websvirginia.com/angels/sexing/
> >
> >
>
http://www.aquariumfish.net/catalog_pages/cichlids_neotropical/angel_fish_br
eeding.htm
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Don`t Worry, Be Happy
> >
> > Sandy
> > --
> >
> > E-Mail:-
> > Website:- http://www.ftscotland.co.uk
> > Looking for a webhost? Try http://www.1and1.co.uk/?k_id=2966019
> >
> >
>
>

[jaypython]

hi guys.....the ongoing breeding problem huh?...my angels were spawning every few weeks and the first couple times were a sucess then after then the eggs were all turning white,as if no fertilisation was taking place.
water parameters are a big importance and not disturbing the fish during spawning is another big factor.
after spawning takes place....seperate both parents from eggs and keep a mild water flow over the eggs and see what happens.:)

but remember that two females can also carry out the breeding
ritual...lay eggs and of course the enevitable will happen.so watch
out.good luck.;)



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