sick fish?

[Carolyn]

I just went out to check on my fish for the first time in a while. The
goldfish seem to have white spots all over them, the fantails look like they
have been through a paper shredder! I have one koi with a yellowish bump on
it's side, almost looks crusty, with the scales sticking out. What can I do
for them? Do I have to isolate them, or do I treat the whole pond?
TIA
Carolyn

[RichToyBox]

Carolyn,

First thing that I would do is test all water parameters, pH, ammonia and
nitrites being the most important. It the water parameters are out, then
all the treatments in the world will not help. Second thing that I would do
is change 10 to 25% of the water to give them some really good new water.
Then it is time to start worrying over treatments. Go to
http://puregold.aquaria.net/pg/care/care.htm to find treatments.
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"Carolyn" > wrote in message
...
> I just went out to check on my fish for the first time in a while. The
> goldfish seem to have white spots all over them, the fantails look like
they
> have been through a paper shredder! I have one koi with a yellowish bump
on
> it's side, almost looks crusty, with the scales sticking out. What can I
do
> for them? Do I have to isolate them, or do I treat the whole pond?
> TIA
> Carolyn
>
>

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formalin... JAN.. WHAT is that stuff you use?
also add 0.9lb salt per 100 gallons of water.
use the formalin, next day do a partial water change, next day do formalin, repeat
above once more so formalin every other day 3 times, water changes every other day 3
times. Ingrid

"Carolyn" > wrote:

>I just went out to check on my fish for the first time in a while. The
>goldfish seem to have white spots all over them, the fantails look like they
>have been through a paper shredder! I have one koi with a yellowish bump on
>it's side, almost looks crusty, with the scales sticking out. What can I do
>for them? Do I have to isolate them, or do I treat the whole pond?
>TIA
>Carolyn
>



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>On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:27:14 GMT, wrote:

>formalin... JAN.. WHAT is that stuff you use?

Me? Haven't used formalin in years, use to use the stuff by Tetra, but
Paracide Green seems to be more available now days.

I've cross over to knowing before blind treating. Correct water parameters
first, salt second and than the product that hits whatever is truly really
ailing the fish. ~ jan


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[Roy]

On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 09:38:32 -0700, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>===<>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 13:27:14 GMT, wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>formalin... JAN.. WHAT is that stuff you use?
>===<>
>===<>Me? Haven't used formalin in years, use to use the stuff by Tetra, but
>===<>Paracide Green seems to be more available now days.
>===<>
>===<>I've cross over to knowing before blind treating. Correct water parameters
>===<>first, salt second and than the product that hits whatever is truly really
>===<>ailing the fish. ~ jan
>===<>
>===<>
>===<> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~


Being totally ignorant on doctoring sick fish other than aquarium
types for the ick etc, is it necessary to quarrantine or isolate the
fish in a pond? Does salt treatment in a pond affect plants? I guess
I really need to read up on this stuff as its inevitable that someday
I may have a need........

But then again would not a natural pond be less susceptable to a lot
of problems associated with typical backyard ponds?
Not much one can do to change ph and parameters in a 1 acre natural
pond unless money is no object, but it seems to me a natural pond is
pretty well self balanced in its own way for the most part.
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Sun, 05 Sep 2004 17:17:45 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

>Being totally ignorant on doctoring sick fish other than aquarium
>types for the ick etc, is it necessary to quarrantine or isolate the
>fish in a pond? Does salt treatment in a pond affect plants?

IMHO, it is even more important in your case to quarantine. If you get one
of those viruses in your natural pond, you can pretty much give up on
adding koi for a long time, unless you sterilize the pond. One of the
viruses supposedly can live up to 6 months in soil, and if your surviving
koi (or the new koi) is a carrier, you can't add any new ones without a big
risk to their demise.

As far as isolating sick ones, cheaper than treating the whole pond, and
makes the fish assessable for better diagnosis and treatment.

Is a natural pond easier/better than our over filter smaller ponds? All
comes down to water quality. If your water quality is excellent, than a
bigger pond is better. More food variations & choices, less crowding,
better quality of life. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~