Newbie....NZed

[NZed]

Hi
I am new to the newsgroup and have recently purchased a tank.
I have had very little experience with aquariums apart from keeping a couple
of goldfish in a bowl as a child.

We recently purchased a 29lite tank with a build in water filter...carbon
and wool.

When we bought it the lady in the shop said that it could hold the
anticipated 8 goldfish we wanted to purchase.
8 red comets approx 4 to 5cm long.
They have been managing for a month ok. ...so I added a couple of small
blackmores.
A week later I have noticed that they fish look as if they a gulping all the
time. Not enough oxygen in the water ?
I have three oxy weed plants.

I just noticed today also that the comets have red around the gills....not
enough oxygen in the water ?

I also noticed that two of the fish ....dorsel fins are sometimes flat.

Today I did a water change...since a week ago.
I also purchased an airstone.

My questions

1 How many goldfish should I have max for a 29 litre tank ?
2 Now that I have 10 fish ...I am considering getting a bigger tank. What
size tank do you recomend.
3 I have seen a very nice Juwel vision 180 litre tank, which looks very
nice. inbuild filter.
Would it be big enough for the 10 fish and has anyone had any experiences
with the Juwel tanks ie filter systems

Looking forward to your replies.

Regards
NZed



---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

[Starfish]

Hi NZed,
Your tank is way too small for the ammount of fish you're housing in
it....it would be very wise to get a bigger tank ASAP....remember that
goldfish are very dirty fish and need around 30L of water per fish because
of the ammount of waster they produce! You can even stunt their growth if
they are kept in crowded condidtions!!
...You are right about there not being enough oxygen in the water...fish tend
to gasp for air when the water isnt oxygenated properly....what are your
water parameters like PH, ammonia, nitrates, and nitrites? If you dont have
these test kits, it would be wise to purchase them as they are very
valuable!!

While you are waiting to get the new tank, increase the airation of that
tank....it might be wise to move some fish into another tank with
aristones....

BTW.....Are you using a water conditioner to remove clorine and chloramine?
"NZed" > wrote in message
...
> Hi
> I am new to the newsgroup and have recently purchased a tank.
> I have had very little experience with aquariums apart from keeping a
> couple
> of goldfish in a bowl as a child.
>
> We recently purchased a 29lite tank with a build in water filter...carbon
> and wool.
>
> When we bought it the lady in the shop said that it could hold the
> anticipated 8 goldfish we wanted to purchase.
> 8 red comets approx 4 to 5cm long.
> They have been managing for a month ok. ...so I added a couple of small
> blackmores.
> A week later I have noticed that they fish look as if they a gulping all
> the
> time. Not enough oxygen in the water ?
> I have three oxy weed plants.
>
> I just noticed today also that the comets have red around the gills....not
> enough oxygen in the water ?
>
> I also noticed that two of the fish ....dorsel fins are sometimes flat.
>
> Today I did a water change...since a week ago.
> I also purchased an airstone.
>
> My questions
>
> 1 How many goldfish should I have max for a 29 litre tank ?
> 2 Now that I have 10 fish ...I am considering getting a bigger tank.
> What
> size tank do you recomend.
> 3 I have seen a very nice Juwel vision 180 litre tank, which looks very
> nice. inbuild filter.
> Would it be big enough for the 10 fish and has anyone had any experiences
> with the Juwel tanks ie filter systems
>
> Looking forward to your replies.
>
> Regards
> NZed
>
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004
>
>

[[email protected]]

http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care1.htm#essentials

10 gallons per goldfish
http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care1.htm#cycling



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[NZed]

First mistake...
I didnt read up on goldfish.....I simply asked the woman in the petshop. Who
obviously knows very little about goldfish and the care of them.

10 x 10 galons ....100 galons ...= 378 litres ?
Jeez thats a huge tank
are you sure thats right for each goldfish ? what about the size of
goldfish...mine are only 2 inches long x 8 and 1 inch approx for the two
blackmores.

NZed

> wrote in message
...
> http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care1.htm#essentials
>
> 10 gallons per goldfish
> http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care1.htm#cycling
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.


---
Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004

[Gunther]

In article >,
says...
> First mistake...
> I didnt read up on goldfish.....I simply asked the woman in the petshop. Who
> obviously knows very little about goldfish and the care of them.
>
> 10 x 10 galons ....100 galons ...= 378 litres ?
> Jeez thats a huge tank
> are you sure thats right for each goldfish ? what about the size of
> goldfish...mine are only 2 inches long x 8 and 1 inch approx for the two
> blackmores.

Yeah, they're that size now, but if you do things right, they'll get
bigger, and fast. 10G/fish is about right for adults in the 4-5 inch
range. 29L ~ 8G? You should take 9 of those fish back and get your
money back.
Gunther

[Donald K]

NZed wrote:

> First mistake...
> I didnt read up on goldfish.....I simply asked the woman in the
> petshop. Who obviously knows very little about goldfish and the care
> of them.
>
> 10 x 10 galons ....100 galons ...= 378 litres ?
> Jeez thats a huge tank
> are you sure thats right for each goldfish ? what about the size of
> goldfish...mine are only 2 inches long x 8 and 1 inch approx for the
> two blackmores.

You could also go 3 gallons per inch of fish, but keep in mind that if
you care for them correctly those puppies is gonna grow...

-Donald
--
"One ought, every day at least, to hear a little song, read a good poem,
see a fine picture, and, if it were possible, to speak a few reasonable
words." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

[sophie]

In message >, NZed
> writes
>First mistake...
>I didnt read up on goldfish.....I simply asked the woman in the petshop. Who
>obviously knows very little about goldfish and the care of them.
>
>10 x 10 galons ....100 galons ...= 378 litres ?
>Jeez thats a huge tank

it is!

>are you sure thats right for each goldfish ? what about the size of
>goldfish...mine are only 2 inches long x 8 and 1 inch approx for the two
>blackmores.

The fancies are smaller, but are more sensitive than the ordinary ones.
You should either take some back and get a medium size tank (I've got
three gf in a 46 gallon tank (that's 4ft by 15 by 16)); keep them and
get a GIGANTIC tank; keep them and get a pond(!); keep them and get
several smaller tanks; take them all back and get different fish... They
like the company of other goldfish, so if there's any way you can get a
30 gallon tank and keep three I'd go for that.

I started like you did, (pretty recently, too) knew nothing about
keeping goldfish, believed the lady in the shop (who is actually very
nice and knowledgeable about everything except goldfish, sigh) and had
three of them, some minnows and an algae eater in a 13 gallon tank to
start with. (aka Goldfish Hell.) The bigger tank is so much better all
round; the fish like it and I love it. I felt awful when I first moved
them, they would swim 18 inches then slow down, they were so used to the
glass being there.

Your fish _will_ die if you keep them all in that little tank. you could
get away with a couple if you were absolutely scrupulous about water
changes etc, but they wouldn't be happy and it wouldn't be good for
them.

>
>NZed
>
> wrote in message
...
>> http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care1.htm#essentials
>>
>> 10 gallons per goldfish
>> http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care1.htm#cycling
>>
>>
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>> www.drsolo.com
>> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>> endorsements or recommendations I make.
>
>
>---
>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
>Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004
>
>

--
sophie

[Nzed]

Feedback
I am certainly going to get the 180 litre tank. Its the biggest I can get to
fit in my room.
Just hope its big enough for the 10 fish in the medium term.

The good news the fish are a lot healthier ...vast improvement overnight.
After adding the airstone they are a lot more perky....the red around the
gills has gone and the dorsal fins are back to normal.

Thanks for the feedback.
NZed


"NZed" > wrote in message
...
> Hi
> I am new to the newsgroup and have recently purchased a tank.
> I have had very little experience with aquariums apart from keeping a
couple
> of goldfish in a bowl as a child.
>
> We recently purchased a 29lite tank with a build in water filter...carbon
> and wool.
>
> When we bought it the lady in the shop said that it could hold the
> anticipated 8 goldfish we wanted to purchase.
> 8 red comets approx 4 to 5cm long.
> They have been managing for a month ok. ...so I added a couple of small
> blackmores.
> A week later I have noticed that they fish look as if they a gulping all
the
> time. Not enough oxygen in the water ?
> I have three oxy weed plants.
>
> I just noticed today also that the comets have red around the gills....not
> enough oxygen in the water ?
>
> I also noticed that two of the fish ....dorsel fins are sometimes flat.
>
> Today I did a water change...since a week ago.
> I also purchased an airstone.
>
> My questions
>
> 1 How many goldfish should I have max for a 29 litre tank ?
> 2 Now that I have 10 fish ...I am considering getting a bigger tank.
What
> size tank do you recomend.
> 3 I have seen a very nice Juwel vision 180 litre tank, which looks very
> nice. inbuild filter.
> Would it be big enough for the 10 fish and has anyone had any experiences
> with the Juwel tanks ie filter systems
>
> Looking forward to your replies.
>
> Regards
> NZed
>
>
>
> ---
> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.
> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).
> Version: 6.0.760 / Virus Database: 509 - Release Date: 10/09/2004
>
>

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Nzed wrote:
>
> Feedback
> I am certainly going to get the 180 litre tank. Its the biggest I can get to
> fit in my room.
> Just hope its big enough for the 10 fish in the medium term.
>
> The good news the fish are a lot healthier ...vast improvement overnight.
> After adding the airstone they are a lot more perky....the red around the
> gills has gone and the dorsal fins are back to normal.
>
> Thanks for the feedback.
> NZed

180litre would be ok for approximately 4-5 fancy goldfish. Your major problem is
you have comets which ideally need 20 gallons per fish! I would definitely
suggest
giving all the comets back, they are typically fast swimming fish and need the
space.