follow up: female betta with female dwarf gourami in community tank

[Danya]

Hi everyone
Well, the LFS never did order the female bettas from me, so i ended up
getting one at Meijer's (a food/clothing/everything store). i added 1
fake plant and let it float at the surface incase they didn't get a
long, so there would be more hiding areas. anyway, as far as i've
observed, the female gourami hasn't even noticed that i added a female
betta in the aquarium. are female bettas always quite small?? mine
is about the size of my guppies.

she has the horizontal striping on her, does this mean she is ready to
breed? if so, if i were to put her in with my male betta just for
breeding purposes would this work, or does the male have some sort of
sign for wanting to breed? the thing is, my male betta is in a 1
gallon tank. i do have a 10 gal, but it's not set up. perhaps my dad
will let me set it up in the basement for breeding, wouldn't that be
nice?? :)

oh yeah, so the purpose of this post was just to say that so far my
female betta and female dwarf gourami seem to do fine in my 32 gal
community tank. thank you and have a nice day.

[RedForeman ©®]

|| Hi everyone
|| Well, the LFS never did order the female bettas from me, so i ended
|| up getting one at Meijer's (a food/clothing/everything store). i
|| added 1 fake plant and let it float at the surface incase they
|| didn't get a long, so there would be more hiding areas. anyway, as
|| far as i've observed, the female gourami hasn't even noticed that i
|| added a female betta in the aquarium. are female bettas always
|| quite small?? mine is about the size of my guppies.

yes, but she can be pretty small for a bit...

|| she has the horizontal striping on her, does this mean she is ready
|| to breed? if so, if i were to put her in with my male betta just for
|| breeding purposes would this work, or does the male have some sort of
|| sign for wanting to breed? the thing is, my male betta is in a 1
|| gallon tank. i do have a 10 gal, but it's not set up. perhaps my
|| dad will let me set it up in the basement for breeding, wouldn't
|| that be nice?? :)

Danya, please do some more reading before attempting this... without some
more knowledge, your bound to make mistakes... the more you read and know,
the less mistakes you'll make and your chances for success increase....

|| oh yeah, so the purpose of this post was just to say that so far my
|| female betta and female dwarf gourami seem to do fine in my 32 gal
|| community tank. thank you and have a nice day.

I've always wanted to breed my 'Bob da'betta' that acts like he wants a
woman... but there's so much to know...

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[Danya]

"RedForeman ©®" > wrote in message >...
> Danya, please do some more reading before attempting this... without some
> more knowledge, your bound to make mistakes... the more you read and know,
> the less mistakes you'll make and your chances for success increase....

oh definitely mr. red! it's a nice idea, but when it comes down to
it, i'd probably be too lazy to attempt it. is that good or bad?
haha, probably good! maybe next year... :)

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: follow up: female betta with female dwarf gourami in community tank
>From: (Danya)
>Date: 9/13/2004 7:35 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Hi everyone
>Well, the LFS never did order the female bettas from me, so i ended up
>getting one at Meijer's (a food/clothing/everything store). i added 1
>fake plant and let it float at the surface incase they didn't get a
>long, so there would be more hiding areas. anyway, as far as i've
>observed, the female gourami hasn't even noticed that i added a female
>betta in the aquarium. are female bettas always quite small?? mine
>is about the size of my guppies.
>
>she has the horizontal striping on her, does this mean she is ready to
>breed? if so, if i were to put her in with my male betta just for
>breeding purposes would this work, or does the male have some sort of
>sign for wanting to breed? the thing is, my male betta is in a 1
>gallon tank. i do have a 10 gal, but it's not set up. perhaps my dad
>will let me set it up in the basement for breeding, wouldn't that be
>nice?? :)
>
>oh yeah, so the purpose of this post was just to say that so far my
>female betta and female dwarf gourami seem to do fine in my 32 gal
>community tank. thank you and have a nice day.
>

Being small, means she's a young girl. That's a good th ing, because you'll
have more time with her. = )

As for the horizontal barring, no that does not mean she's ready to spawn.
It body language for:
Showing submission.
Showing she's not a threat to anyone.
Fear.
Some will blanch out the coloring and show H. barring with ill too.
Don't be alarmed at that last bit...it's just another reason they do it (H.
barring).
When showing a male that they're ready to spawn, the barring becomes vertical
and their coloring darkens, not blanches out (fades).
When she settles into her home and feels confident she'll show her true colors.
Please don't try and spawn her.
Breeding Bettas is hard work and time consuming. It's quite easy to make a tiny
error and end up killing an entire batch of fry, or even killing a parent fish.
There's much to be learned about spawning Bettas and it shouldn't be taken
lightly.
By no means am I saying don't ever try it, because once you've got some
experience under your belt with Bettas and know them very well, you may find it
rewarding.
However, for now just enjoy your Bettas.

[Danya]

(TYNK 7) wrote in message >...
> Being small, means she's a young girl. That's a good th ing, because you'll
> have more time with her. = )
>
> As for the horizontal barring, no that does not mean she's ready to spawn.
> It body language for:
> Showing submission.
> Showing she's not a threat to anyone.
> Fear.
> Some will blanch out the coloring and show H. barring with ill too.
> Don't be alarmed at that last bit...it's just another reason they do it (H.
> barring).
> When showing a male that they're ready to spawn, the barring becomes vertical
> and their coloring darkens, not blanches out (fades).
> When she settles into her home and feels confident she'll show her true colors.
> Please don't try and spawn her.
> Breeding Bettas is hard work and time consuming. It's quite easy to make a tiny
> error and end up killing an entire batch of fry, or even killing a parent fish.
> There's much to be learned about spawning Bettas and it shouldn't be taken
> lightly.
> By no means am I saying don't ever try it, because once you've got some
> experience under your belt with Bettas and know them very well, you may find it
> rewarding.
> However, for now just enjoy your Bettas.

thanks for the helpful info! and you're right, there's no way i'm
ready to breed bettas right now (or any type of fish for that matter)
:)

[Danya]

ok, 1 more question...(for now anyway)

it's okay to have a group of female bettas in a community tank, right?
now if i were to get a few more female bettas, would they all gang up
on the female dwarf gourami? like i said, so far the female betta and
female dwarf gourami seem to do fine together.

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: follow up: female betta with female dwarf gourami in community
>tank
>From: (Danya)
>Date: 9/16/2004 8:57 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>ok, 1 more question...(for now anyway)
>
>it's okay to have a group of female bettas in a community tank, right?
> now if i were to get a few more female bettas, would they all gang up
>on the female dwarf gourami? like i said, so far the female betta and
>female dwarf gourami seem to do fine together.

What you'll need to be more concerend about are the female Bettas getting along
and figuring out their hierarchy without any real problems.
Each Betta...male or female, has an individual personality.
Given that, you really can't predict how they will act with each other.
You're going to have your more dominant ones, all the way down to the most
submissive ones.
There are also the extremes too.
Problems can arise from having more than one extremely dominant female. This is
when neither will submit, and they just battle viciously. That's when one of
them will need to be removed and housed elswhere.
This doesn't mean that you *will* run into this situation, I'm just warning you
of the possibility of it happening.
However, you will see posturing, flaring, a nip and chase, maybe even a few
split fins here and there until the hierarchy is established. As long as chunks
of flesh aren't being taken or the most sumbissive isn't being bullied to near
death, everything will work out in a short while.
As for them ganging up on the Gourami...That would depend on the dominant lady.
They, as a group wouldn't, but like I said before, all bettas are different and
I can't tell you how each will behave.
You do need to keep in mind that Gouramis and Bettas are closely related and
usually it's the males that have the probs...being to territorial and all.

[Danya]

(TYNK 7) wrote in message >...
> What you'll need to be more concerend about are the female Bettas getting along
> and figuring out their hierarchy without any real problems.
> Each Betta...male or female, has an individual personality.
> Given that, you really can't predict how they will act with each other.
> You're going to have your more dominant ones, all the way down to the most
> submissive ones.
> There are also the extremes too.
> Problems can arise from having more than one extremely dominant female. This is
> when neither will submit, and they just battle viciously. That's when one of
> them will need to be removed and housed elswhere.
> This doesn't mean that you *will* run into this situation, I'm just warning you
> of the possibility of it happening.
> However, you will see posturing, flaring, a nip and chase, maybe even a few
> split fins here and there until the hierarchy is established. As long as chunks
> of flesh aren't being taken or the most sumbissive isn't being bullied to near
> death, everything will work out in a short while.
> As for them ganging up on the Gourami...That would depend on the dominant lady.
> They, as a group wouldn't, but like I said before, all bettas are different and
> I can't tell you how each will behave.
> You do need to keep in mind that Gouramis and Bettas are closely related and
> usually it's the males that have the probs...being to territorial and all.

thanks for sharing your knowlege! in this case, i think i'll just
stick with 1 female betta. i hate seeing fish fight each other. lol
thanks again.

[TYNK 7]

>Subject: Re: follow up: female betta with female dwarf gourami in community
>tank
>From: (Danya)
>Date: 9/17/2004 3:04 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
(TYNK 7) wrote in message
>...
>> What you'll need to be more concerend about are the female Bettas getting
>along
>> and figuring out their hierarchy without any real problems.
>> Each Betta...male or female, has an individual personality.
>> Given that, you really can't predict how they will act with each other.
>> You're going to have your more dominant ones, all the way down to the most
>> submissive ones.
>> There are also the extremes too.
>> Problems can arise from having more than one extremely dominant female.
>This is
>> when neither will submit, and they just battle viciously. That's when one
>of
>> them will need to be removed and housed elswhere.
>> This doesn't mean that you *will* run into this situation, I'm just warning
>you
>> of the possibility of it happening.
>> However, you will see posturing, flaring, a nip and chase, maybe even a few
>> split fins here and there until the hierarchy is established. As long as
>chunks
>> of flesh aren't being taken or the most sumbissive isn't being bullied to
>near
>> death, everything will work out in a short while.
>> As for them ganging up on the Gourami...That would depend on the dominant
>lady.
>> They, as a group wouldn't, but like I said before, all bettas are different
>and
>> I can't tell you how each will behave.
>> You do need to keep in mind that Gouramis and Bettas are closely related
>and
>> usually it's the males that have the probs...being to territorial and all.
>
>thanks for sharing your knowlege! in this case, i think i'll just
>stick with 1 female betta. i hate seeing fish fight each other. lol
>thanks again.
>

It's not "fighting" per say, it's finding out their place.
There must be a leader in their lives. It's kind of like a dog pack...there
must be a leader, and everyone must know their place.
It's not mean of you, because it's what Bettas need in their life.