Hurricane Preparations?

[aktgibbs]

We are in south Mississippi, so if Ivan comes ashore anywhere between New
Orleans and Mobile we will be affected by it

My pond is in an old ski boat. I plan to drain the kiddie pool veggie
filter and put the plants into the pond. The bio filter has a lid that I do
not normally use. Should I put the lid on it? As for the pond itself, I am
thinking about putting a bubbler into it and covering it with plywood.,
maybe leaving a couple of small openings?

How long can the pond and filter go without power safely? (Four large
goldfish, several lilies, loads of fairy moss)

My pump is an outside the pond type. If it loses power all the water in the
biofilter (about 60 gallons) will drain back into the pond. There is a
valve on the pump that I can open and make all the water from the biofilter
drain into the drain underneath the pump. Which is better?

Or should I just go ahead and clean out the biofilter and turn it off until
the storm has gone away?

I'm new to ponds, not hurricanes.

Thanks for comments and advice!

Pam

[Crashj]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:10:26 -0500, "aktgibbs"
> wrote:

>We are in south Mississippi, so if Ivan comes ashore anywhere between New
>Orleans and Mobile we will be affected by it
>
>My pond is in an old ski boat.
What is so funny about this is the way we prepared a trailered boat
for hurricanes was to drop it off the trailer and put in a couple
hundred gallons of water.
The last huge hurricane that came your way had a storm surge of about
20 feet, so if you live near the shore, "Move Away From The Beach!"
Good luck.
--
Crashj

[Derek Broughton]

aktgibbs wrote:

> How long can the pond and filter go without power safely? (Four large
> goldfish, several lilies, loads of fairy moss)
>
> My pump is an outside the pond type. If it loses power all the water in
> the
> biofilter (about 60 gallons) will drain back into the pond. There is a

If your _filter_ is 60 gallons, and you only have four (even humungous)
goldfish, I would have to think you don't _need_ any filtration, or even a
bubbler. I'd fasten the lid on the biofilter, and not worry about power.
The most likely problem, besides the actual wind, is that you'll get enough
rain to overflow the pond. And then you could potentially have fish
swimming over the lawn.
--
derek

[aktgibbs]

We are one hour north of the beach, so storm surge is not a problem. But we
almost always get small tornadoes along with the wind and rain.

You should have seen the look on my husband's face when I asked him a year
ago if that old boat would hold water.

I was about 10 when Camille came through here in 1969. I watched my uncle
put water into his green fishing boat and thought he had lost his mind. I
never really thought about it again until I read your post. Now I know what
he was doing!

Thanks!


"Crashj" > wrote in message
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:15:58 -0500, "aktgibbs" > wrote:

>I was about 10 when Camille came through here in 1969. I watched my uncle
>put water into his green fishing boat and thought he had lost his mind. I
>never really thought about it again until I read your post. Now I know what
>he was doing!

OK, so what was he doing?

Regarding the pond, lid the filter & pond as you mentioned. Power goes out,
let the bio-filter drain away, rather than to the pond if possible. Empty
moist bio-filter better than one full of water going anaerobic. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[aktgibbs]

The water in the boat was insurance that the boat would not be blown away by
the storm..

Yes, that is what I was wondering about--whether it would be a bad thing for
the water in the filter to drain into the pond.

If I drain it and keep the media moist can I just restart it after the
storm or willl I need to clean it out first?

Pam
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:15:58 -0500, "aktgibbs" >
> >wrote:
>
>>I was about 10 when Camille came through here in 1969. I watched my
>>uncle
>>put water into his green fishing boat and thought he had lost his mind. I
>>never really thought about it again until I read your post. Now I know
>>what
>>he was doing!
>
> OK, so what was he doing?
>
> Regarding the pond, lid the filter & pond as you mentioned. Power goes
> out,
> let the bio-filter drain away, rather than to the pond if possible. Empty
> moist bio-filter better than one full of water going anaerobic. ~ jan
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Gareee©]

You may not have to worry about it at all. We have freinds in Florida, and
Floyd completely demolished thier home. Thier sister's home is 1/2
destroyed.

I'd worry less about your pond, and more about your family, and possessions.
Ivan is supposedly worst the Floyd.

We also have family in Tampa.. they couldn't get gas for a week or so, and
were without both water and power for a little more then a week. Personal
survival and shelter are the main concerns after a hurricane.

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[Roy]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:10:26 -0500, "aktgibbs"
> wrote:

>===<>We are in south Mississippi, so if Ivan comes ashore anywhere between New
>===<>Orleans and Mobile we will be affected by it
snipi
>===<>Pam
>===<>


Know exactly what you mean Pam.........and I am in the same boat as
you in regards to Ivan..I am located in lower alabama, about 60
miles as the crow flies from the coast, so most anyplace they have
projected for Ivan is gonna get to us . Opal when she came ashore was
a lot weaker than Ivan is, and we had winds in excess of 100 mph so I
have a gut feeling this is gonna be a lot worse. So far I assume we
are as prepared as we can be, as al;l loose items are secured, lots f
spare gas on hand, as well as propane, batteries and lamp oils, Both
gen sets run fine, so if all my big oaks and pine trees make it and
the roof stays on we will be fine. Wish you and any others in the path
lots of luck and just maybe this storm will drop back to a lesser
catagory, or turn south! ;-)

What you have done and suggested all sounds great.

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[Roy]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:34:34 -0700, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>===<>>On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 10:15:58 -0500, "aktgibbs" > wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>I was about 10 when Camille came through here in 1969. I watched my uncle
>===<>>put water into his green fishing boat and thought he had lost his mind. I
>===<>>never really thought about it again until I read your post. Now I know what
>===<>>he was doing!
>===<>
>===<>OK, so what was he doing?
>===<>
>===<>Regarding the pond, lid the filter & pond as you mentioned. Power goes out,
>===<>let the bio-filter drain away, rather than to the pond if possible. Empty
>===<>moist bio-filter better than one full of water going anaerobic. ~ jan
>===<>
>===<>
>===<> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~


Its common practice boat owner in this area that has a trailerable
sized boat if they can't tie it down to ground anchors they fill em up
with water and let em ride it out on the ground. Even those that get
tied down are filled up with water as well, just more added insurance.
If nothing falls on the boat during the storm, its easy to pull the
drainplug and empty it out. I just got done sinking my boat i the
pond. It has no motor, just an aluminum flat bottom John boat, so all
I did was pull the plug tie it to the pier and let it sink. Not a
problem to pull back up and drain after its all over........but I have
a sneaky feeling that boat is gonna be a low priority after this thing
is over.
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[Roy]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:04:34 -0400, "Gareee©"
> wrote:

>===<>You may not have to worry about it at all. We have freinds in Florida, and
>===<>Floyd completely demolished thier home. Thier sister's home is 1/2
>===<>destroyed.
>===<>
>===<>I'd worry less about your pond, and more about your family, and possessions.
>===<>Ivan is supposedly worst the Floyd.
>===<>
>===<>We also have family in Tampa.. they couldn't get gas for a week or so, and
>===<>were without both water and power for a little more then a week. Personal
>===<>survival and shelter are the main concerns after a hurricane.


I would have to assume she has also taken that into consideration. But
in some cases a little bit of something nice like a half intact pond
can sure help with getting over major losses........like a form of
medication or would that be meditation.
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[Ka30P]

Will hope for the best for all of you in
Ivan's path!


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[Gareee©]

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:04:34 -0400, "Gareee©"
> > wrote:

> I would have to assume she has also taken that into consideration. But
> in some cases a little bit of something nice like a half intact pond
> can sure help with getting over major losses........like a form of
> medication or would that be meditation.

It's hard to tell. I lived in Orlando for 15 years, and even when the police
came and told people they had to manditory evacuate thier trailers, some
*still* decided they could "just ride it out".

People just have no clue how hard these hurricanes hit, and how much
devistation they create.

I remember a trailer park of about 50 homes or so.. and after one of the
biggies a few years ago, I think only two remained.

It was like a giant hand came by and swept them off the face of the earth.

With winds in excess or 100 MPH, you're lucky if the water doesn't totally
get blown out of the pond.

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[Derek Broughton]

aktgibbs wrote:

> The water in the boat was insurance that the boat would not be blown away
> by the storm..
>
> Yes, that is what I was wondering about--whether it would be a bad thing
> for the water in the filter to drain into the pond.
>
> If I drain it and keep the media moist can I just restart it after the
> storm or willl I need to clean it out first?

If it gets completely dry, you should clean it out. Otherwise, it'll be
fine. Still, you have to clean a filter every now and then - this could be
a good time. It probably depends how busy you are with other stuff.

Good luck, to you and everyone in its path.
--
derek

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>If I drain it and keep the media moist can I just restart it after the
>storm or willl I need to clean it out first?
>Pam

You should be able to just restart it.... even if it ends up drying out,
but in humid conditions, I highly doubt it will. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Sam]

I am just outside of orlando.....I did nothing to prepare the pond....it is
only a tad less than 2 ft deep.....our power was out for 2 mins short of a
week with charlie......we feed em daily.... I have 13 goldfish and several
plants..............the water got mirky but all lived thu it...none the less
for the wear........and survived frances like it was a cake
walk..........the fish stayed at the bottom for a couple days.......I picked
shingles and branches out....they all musta ducked but all was well thru 2
hurrycanes............................


"aktgibbs" > wrote in message
. ..
> We are in south Mississippi, so if Ivan comes ashore anywhere between New
> Orleans and Mobile we will be affected by it
>
> My pond is in an old ski boat. I plan to drain the kiddie pool veggie
> filter and put the plants into the pond. The bio filter has a lid that I
> do not normally use. Should I put the lid on it? As for the pond itself,
> I am thinking about putting a bubbler into it and covering it with
> plywood., maybe leaving a couple of small openings?
>
> How long can the pond and filter go without power safely? (Four large
> goldfish, several lilies, loads of fairy moss)
>
> My pump is an outside the pond type. If it loses power all the water in
> the biofilter (about 60 gallons) will drain back into the pond. There is
> a valve on the pump that I can open and make all the water from the
> biofilter drain into the drain underneath the pump. Which is better?
>
> Or should I just go ahead and clean out the biofilter and turn it off
> until the storm has gone away?
>
> I'm new to ponds, not hurricanes.
>
> Thanks for comments and advice!
>
> Pam
>

[Derek Broughton]

Gareee© wrote:

> "Roy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 13:04:34 -0400, "Gareee©"
>> > wrote:
>
>> I would have to assume she has also taken that into consideration.
>
> It's hard to tell. I lived in Orlando for 15 years, and even when the
> police came and told people they had to manditory evacuate thier trailers,
> some *still* decided they could "just ride it out".

otoh, the police forced me to evacuate almost at the height of the storm
during Juan, last year. Turns out I was safely outside the area covered by
the mandatory evacuation order, and would have been better off staying
where I was. That, and they said they were evacuating everybody in the
neighborhood, so we went to a friend much further away than necessary. Our
close neighbors (and friends) didn't get evacuated.
--
derek

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drain the pond down, then net AND cover the pond.
lower water levels means better oxygen exchange, also if water gets in less likely to
overflow. the netting will keep the fish in if it does overflow. be sure to tie the
plywood down really really well. it will keep stuff out of the pond and will keep
most of the salt water picked up by the storm out of the pond. yes, plants in the
pond. cover the biofilter. dont want salt in there either.
you need a one way valve on the pump, too late for now, but yes, I would stop the
pump now cause the veggie filter is more likely to fill and drain salty water back
into the pond.
Ingrid

"aktgibbs" > wrote:
>My pond is in an old ski boat. I plan to drain the kiddie pool veggie
>filter and put the plants into the pond. The bio filter has a lid that I do
>not normally use. Should I put the lid on it? As for the pond itself, I am
>thinking about putting a bubbler into it and covering it with plywood.,
>maybe leaving a couple of small openings?
>
>How long can the pond and filter go without power safely? (Four large
>goldfish, several lilies, loads of fairy moss)
>
>My pump is an outside the pond type. If it loses power all the water in the
>biofilter (about 60 gallons) will drain back into the pond. There is a
>valve on the pump that I can open and make all the water from the biofilter
>drain into the drain underneath the pump. Which is better?
>
>Or should I just go ahead and clean out the biofilter and turn it off until
>the storm has gone away?
>
>I'm new to ponds, not hurricanes.
>
>Thanks for comments and advice!
>
>Pam
>



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