Adding water to pond, QUESTION????

[WilsonKKW]

I had to add water to pond. I am concerned about the cholrine in the
water..will it hurt tje Koi??
--Kathy

[Gale Pearce]

Hi Kathy - a lot of people add dechlor to any new water they add to their
pond - if you have chlorine in your water supply and not chloramine a lot of
us get away without using dechlor as long as the amount you add is not too
much (an inch or so) - I also put together a filter which will take out 95%
of the chlorine in my water if I have to add a large amount (5"+) For the
smaller amounts. I "spray" the water into the pond to help aerate and
dissipate as much chlorine as possible
Gale :~)
"WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
...
> I had to add water to pond. I am concerned about the cholrine in the
> water..will it hurt tje Koi??
> --Kathy

[WilsonKKW]

>
>Maybe not. How much are you adding?

adding about 250 gallons

[George]

"WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
...
> >
>>Maybe not. How much are you adding?
>
> adding about 250 gallons

How many gallons does your pond hold?

[Benign Vanilla]

"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Kathy - a lot of people add dechlor to any new water they add to their
> pond - if you have chlorine in your water supply and not chloramine a lot
of
> us get away without using dechlor as long as the amount you add is not too
> much (an inch or so) - I also put together a filter which will take out
95%
> of the chlorine in my water if I have to add a large amount (5"+) For the
> smaller amounts. I "spray" the water into the pond to help aerate and
> dissipate as much chlorine as possible

Activated charcoal filters become useless over time and will stop removing
chlorine and chloramine. Spraying water over a pond will not knock
chloramine out of the water. There are inexpensive dechlor products on the
market, so IMHO, just buy some and when you add water, add dechlor. That is
the BEST way to ensure the safety of your fish.

We have an article on this topic at
http://www.ilovemypond.com/topic.asp?aid=99170.

BV.

P.S. Some of you may notice the url is ilovemypond and not iheartmypond. We
are currently transfering the iheartmypond site to a new server/ISP so we
have set up ilovemypond.com to assist in the transfer and minimize down
time. When the transition is complete, both URL's will work.

[Gale Pearce]

Hi BV - I don't use the Activated Charcoal type - I use the Diaphram type
and the type of filter for the incoming waterline to your home - it says it
is good for 3 - 6 months for home usage , so I am sure @ ~ a couple thousand
gals/yr it will last the whole season if used strictly for the pond before I
need to change it - I have never used dechlor in 10 yrs, just sprayed any
water I added to aerate it and had no problems with chlorine - Actually I
was just reading that dechlor does not remove chloramine from water anyway -
it just "breaks" the bond between chlorine and ammonia (chloramine) so the
chlorine will dissipate and your biofilter takes care of the ammonia - I
don't have the wepage bookmarked anymore, but someone here sent me the link
and it's under "Tip 18"
Gale :~)
"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Kathy - a lot of people add dechlor to any new water they add to
their
> > pond - if you have chlorine in your water supply and not chloramine a
lot
> of
> > us get away without using dechlor as long as the amount you add is not
too
> > much (an inch or so) - I also put together a filter which will take out
> 95%
> > of the chlorine in my water if I have to add a large amount (5"+) For
the
> > smaller amounts. I "spray" the water into the pond to help aerate and
> > dissipate as much chlorine as possible
>
> Activated charcoal filters become useless over time and will stop removing
> chlorine and chloramine. Spraying water over a pond will not knock
> chloramine out of the water. There are inexpensive dechlor products on the
> market, so IMHO, just buy some and when you add water, add dechlor. That
is
> the BEST way to ensure the safety of your fish.
>
> We have an article on this topic at
> http://www.ilovemypond.com/topic.asp?aid=99170.
>
> BV.
>
> P.S. Some of you may notice the url is ilovemypond and not iheartmypond.
We
> are currently transfering the iheartmypond site to a new server/ISP so we
> have set up ilovemypond.com to assist in the transfer and minimize down
> time. When the transition is complete, both URL's will work.
>
>

[Derek Broughton]

Gale Pearce wrote:

> I have never used dechlor in 10 yrs,
> just sprayed any water I added to aerate it and had no problems with

spraying also helps with temperature - your added water may not be pond
temperature, but at least closer to air temperature than your typical water
supply. It's not particularly good to add a solid stream of water that
might be 20F cooler than the pond.

> chlorine - Actually I was just reading that dechlor does not remove
> chloramine from water anyway - it just "breaks" the bond between chlorine
> and ammonia (chloramine) so the chlorine will dissipate and your biofilter

That was definitely true of the old dechlorination products - I don't know
if it's still true. In any case, people tend not to think that chloramine
contains _two_ things that are bad for your fish - chlorine and ammonia

> takes care of the ammonia - I don't have the wepage bookmarked anymore,
> but someone here sent me the link and it's under "Tip 18"

http://www.pondrushes.net/tips.htm

believe it or not, I just googled: "tip 18" chloramine
--
derek

[WilsonKKW]

>
>How many gallons does your pond hold?

ond holds 5000 gallons

[Alex Woodward]

"WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
...
>I had to add water to pond. I am concerned about the cholrine in the
> water..will it hurt tje Koi??
> --Kathy

Why not put a direct water supply to your pond, but have a 'ball cock' to
ensure a supply on demand characteristic. Since water loss via evaporation
is comparatively slow, any water that is added via a 'ball cock valve should
not negatively effect the pond water.

What do you guy's think?

Alex

[Snooze]

"WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
...
> >
> >How many gallons does your pond hold?
> ond holds 5000 gallons
> >Maybe not. How much are you adding?
> adding about 250 gallons

250 gallons out of 5000 is about 0.5% of the pond's volume. According to
the EPA, drinking water has a residual chlorine level of 0.2 - 6 mg / L. For
the sake of argument, let's assume you live in area that has a higher
chlorine level.
See: http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/chemfact/s_chlori.txt

250 gallons of water gives you 5678 mg of chlorine. Diluted into 5000
gallons of water, that works out to 0.3 mg/L, which is pretty low. If the
water is being circulated by a pump over a waterfall or some other water
feature, the chlorine will dissipate in an hour or less, plenty of bacteria
in the pond water for the chlorine to react with.

If your tap water has 0.2 mg /L chlorine, then your pond will end up with
0.01 mg/L, which is really nothing.

If it helps you sleep at night, toss in a bit of dechlor as well, otherwise
I wouldn't bother. On the otherhand if you filled up half the pond, then I'd
say toss some dechlor in as well.

Snooze

[[email protected]]

until something starts draining the pond really fast and the water starts flowing
into the pond big time and you come home to all your fish dead from
chlorine/chloramine poisoning or cold shock.
I mean, how long does it take to turn on the hose and top up the pond, toss some dry
dechlor in?
If you absolutely wont sit there, use a melnor water timer that adds X gallons that
is dialed in and then shuts off. at 11 bucks or so, cheap insurance.
Ingrid

"Alex Woodward" > wrote:

>
>"WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
...
>>I had to add water to pond. I am concerned about the cholrine in the
>> water..will it hurt tje Koi??
>> --Kathy
>
>Why not put a direct water supply to your pond, but have a 'ball cock' to
>ensure a supply on demand characteristic. Since water loss via evaporation
>is comparatively slow, any water that is added via a 'ball cock valve should
>not negatively effect the pond water.
>
>What do you guy's think?
>
>Alex
>



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[Gale Pearce]

Thanks, Derek - it is now bookmarked - now I'm twice as glad you're back
:~))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Gale :~)
"Derek Broughton" > wrote in message
...
> Gale Pearce wrote:
>
> > I have never used dechlor in 10 yrs,
> > just sprayed any water I added to aerate it and had no problems with
>
> spraying also helps with temperature - your added water may not be pond
> temperature, but at least closer to air temperature than your typical
water
> supply. It's not particularly good to add a solid stream of water that
> might be 20F cooler than the pond.
>
> > chlorine - Actually I was just reading that dechlor does not remove
> > chloramine from water anyway - it just "breaks" the bond between
chlorine
> > and ammonia (chloramine) so the chlorine will dissipate and your
biofilter
>
> That was definitely true of the old dechlorination products - I don't know
> if it's still true. In any case, people tend not to think that chloramine
> contains _two_ things that are bad for your fish - chlorine and ammonia
>
> > takes care of the ammonia - I don't have the wepage bookmarked anymore,
> > but someone here sent me the link and it's under "Tip 18"
>
> http://www.pondrushes.net/tips.htm
>
> believe it or not, I just googled: "tip 18" chloramine
> --
> derek

[George]

"WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
...
> >
>>How many gallons does your pond hold?
>
> ond holds 5000 gallons

Mine holds 1,500 gallons, and I typically don't add dechlor to the water when
topping it off (I usually don't add more than about 100 gallons). With that
much water in your pond, if you spray the water in, agitating it vigorously when
you add it, you should be ok. But, if in doubt, just add a little dechlor (I
use stress coat).

[BryanB]

Whoops. You mean that 250 gallons is 5% of 5000 gallons. Don't know
how much that pesky little decimal point messes with the other numbers
in the rest of your post, though...

--Bryan


On 9/16/2004 3:37 PM Snooze let loose a lemur across the keyboard and it
typed:<BR>

> 250 gallons out of 5000 is about 0.5% of the pond's volume. According to
> the EPA, drinking water has a residual chlorine level of 0.2 - 6 mg / L. For
> the sake of argument, let's assume you live in area that has a higher
> chlorine level.
> See: http://www.epa.gov/opptintr/chemfact/s_chlori.txt


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[Benign Vanilla]

"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> Hi BV - I don't use the Activated Charcoal type - I use the Diaphram type
> and the type of filter for the incoming waterline to your home - it says
it
> is good for 3 - 6 months for home usage , so I am sure @ ~ a couple
thousand
> gals/yr it will last the whole season if used strictly for the pond before
I
> need to change it - I have never used dechlor in 10 yrs, just sprayed any
> water I added to aerate it and had no problems with chlorine - Actually I
> was just reading that dechlor does not remove chloramine from water
anyway -
> it just "breaks" the bond between chlorine and ammonia (chloramine) so the
> chlorine will dissipate and your biofilter takes care of the ammonia - I
> don't have the wepage bookmarked anymore, but someone here sent me the
link
> and it's under "Tip 18"
<snip>

Yep that is true. Dechlor binds the ammonia, that is true. Here is a link
(that I'll be archiving on iheartmypond.com) that explains it a bit,
http://www.enkoi.com/water_treatments/amquel_info.html.

The point I was trying to make is that my preference is to be actively
involved in the dechlor-ing. I fear an automated system could go unchecked
and cause a disaster. Secondaly, spraying the water can be effective for
chlorine, but not chloramines.

BV.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks, Derek - it is now bookmarked - now I'm twice as glad you're back
<snip>

Archived at ihearmypond.com, as well.

BV.

[Derek Broughton]

wrote:

> until something starts draining the pond really fast and the water starts
> flowing into the pond big time and you come home to all your fish dead
> from chlorine/chloramine poisoning or cold shock.

It's a possibility, but it's still nicer to have the water supply right at
the pond. I never used an automatic fill, but I had a faucet right there.
--
derek

[Benign Vanilla]

> wrote in message
...
> until something starts draining the pond really fast and the water starts
flowing
> into the pond big time and you come home to all your fish dead from
> chlorine/chloramine poisoning or cold shock.
> I mean, how long does it take to turn on the hose and top up the pond,
toss some dry
> dechlor in?
> If you absolutely wont sit there, use a melnor water timer that adds X
gallons that
> is dialed in and then shuts off. at 11 bucks or so, cheap insurance.
<snip>

I agree 100%. The fish are under your care. You are responsible for their
safety.

BV.

[Crashj]

On 16 Sep 2004 19:13:40 GMT, (WilsonKKW) wrote:

>>
>> How many gallons does your pond hold?
>
> ond holds 5000 gallons

Mainitaining good urinary hygiene, I see.
--
Crashj

[Benign Vanilla]

"George" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >
> >>How many gallons does your pond hold?
> >
> > ond holds 5000 gallons
>
> Mine holds 1,500 gallons, and I typically don't add dechlor to the water
when
> topping it off (I usually don't add more than about 100 gallons). With
that
> much water in your pond, if you spray the water in, agitating it
vigorously when
> you add it, you should be ok. But, if in doubt, just add a little dechlor
(I
> use stress coat).

I do not believe (and I recognize this is subjective) that chloramines knock
out of water as readily as chlorine does.

BV.

[Everwyrd]

Might be a moot point. Some water companies (such as mine) do not add
chloimine to the water. Of course they still add chlorine. Been five years
of adding water right from the hose for me...so far so good.

Alan


"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > >
>> >>How many gallons does your pond hold?
>> >
>> > ond holds 5000 gallons
>>
>> Mine holds 1,500 gallons, and I typically don't add dechlor to the water
> when
>> topping it off (I usually don't add more than about 100 gallons). With
> that
>> much water in your pond, if you spray the water in, agitating it
> vigorously when
>> you add it, you should be ok. But, if in doubt, just add a little
>> dechlor
> (I
>> use stress coat).
>
> I do not believe (and I recognize this is subjective) that chloramines
> knock
> out of water as readily as chlorine does.
>
> BV.
>
>

[George]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "George" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> "WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > >
>> >>How many gallons does your pond hold?
>> >
>> > ond holds 5000 gallons
>>
>> Mine holds 1,500 gallons, and I typically don't add dechlor to the water
> when
>> topping it off (I usually don't add more than about 100 gallons). With
> that
>> much water in your pond, if you spray the water in, agitating it
> vigorously when
>> you add it, you should be ok. But, if in doubt, just add a little dechlor
> (I
>> use stress coat).
>
> I do not believe (and I recognize this is subjective) that chloramines knock
> out of water as readily as chlorine does.
>
> BV.
>

You are correct. However, chloramine levels are typically low in public water
supplies, at least enough so that if you are only adding a small percentage of
make up water to the total amount of water in the pond, it should have no
adverse effect of the pond life. But like I said, if in doubt, add dechlor.
And I usually add a little more stress coat than is needed to neutralize the
chlorine and chloramine, so there should be some leeway there. As you know,
stress coat is not only good for neutralizing these compounds, but also aids in
the healing process, such as helping to repair split fins, which pond some fish
frequently get. Using this product, and carefully adding measured amounts of
water, I've never had a problem with chlorine or chloramine.

[Mike Patterson]

Problem is that water systems change, new management comes in, legal
requirements change, industry standards change, chemical prices
change, etc etc etc.

My point is that your water company could start using chloramines at
any time. Mine recently did when they started buying water from a
nearby city.

Your only warning might be a layer of belly-up fish on the surface one
morning.

Mike


On Fri, 17 Sep 2004 22:49:58 GMT, "Everwyrd"
PAM> wrote:

>Might be a moot point. Some water companies (such as mine) do not add
>chloimine to the water. Of course they still add chlorine. Been five years
>of adding water right from the hose for me...so far so good.
>
>Alan
>
>
>"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>>
>>> "WilsonKKW" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>> > >
>>> >>How many gallons does your pond hold?
>>> >
>>> > ond holds 5000 gallons
>>>
>>> Mine holds 1,500 gallons, and I typically don't add dechlor to the water
>> when
>>> topping it off (I usually don't add more than about 100 gallons). With
>> that
>>> much water in your pond, if you spray the water in, agitating it
>> vigorously when
>>> you add it, you should be ok. But, if in doubt, just add a little
>>> dechlor
>> (I
>>> use stress coat).
>>
>> I do not believe (and I recognize this is subjective) that chloramines
>> knock
>> out of water as readily as chlorine does.
>>
>> BV.
>>
>>
>

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