Re: pink-orange flowerpot

[Steve \Srfmon\]

I've seen the colors vary a lot in gonioporas. So it could be the same
thing.
I've also heard that the key to keeping these guys is a "dirty" tank. Dirty
as in higher nutrients.
I've even seen pictures where this guy had lots of budding from his
flower pots. With little baby flower pots all around the parent.
I guess success is very rare but not unheard of.

Royce" > wrote in message
. ..
> Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's pinkish-orange
in
> color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
> considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular coral
> different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
> captivity?
> Royce
>
>

[Marc Levenson]

Um... that would be me. I've not bought one for a long time, but did a lot of
reading on it. I had a local vendor promise me a red one, which is hardier to
keep.

When it came in yesterday, it was a purple/lemon one. <sigh> Anyway, it didn't
open up in his tank even though all the yellow/green ones did. I got it home
and in my 55g, and have watched it for the past 24 hours. It still hasn't
budded a single polyp, but 30 minutes ago the stalks are extended finally.

I took it anyway, because I knew it would have been dead in a matter of days
otherwise. Still, I hope I didn't get a 'lemon.' LOL

Marc


richard reynolds wrote:

> I know a few people are keeping them longer than some say is possible, there
> are a few tricks and the color seems to matter, pink/red are aparently the
> easier to keep, I have a green one that is doing well and growing. I think
> like many things in this hobby that certain people are locked into there
> opinions regardless of changes in the hobby. though I dont think everyone
> should jump out and buy one.
>
> richard
>
> Royce > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's pinkish-orange
> in
> > color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
> > considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular coral
> > different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
> > captivity?
> > Royce
> >
> >

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[richard reynolds]

dont recall seeing an opinion on the subject from you, sorry musta missed
it, generally i read all posts, and only reply to some.

seems to me there very hardy but harder to feed, meaning months not days
tell death. ive researched it a bit, mine is the flor green colored one, and
is spreading a little though slowly


ooh well good luck with it anyways, there kinda neat the way there polyps
extend i like mine :)

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Marc Levenson > wrote in message
...
> Um... that would be me. I've not bought one for a long time, but did a
lot of
> reading on it. I had a local vendor promise me a red one, which is
hardier to
> keep.
>
> When it came in yesterday, it was a purple/lemon one. <sigh> Anyway, it
didn't
> open up in his tank even though all the yellow/green ones did. I got it
home
> and in my 55g, and have watched it for the past 24 hours. It still hasn't
> budded a single polyp, but 30 minutes ago the stalks are extended finally.
>
> I took it anyway, because I knew it would have been dead in a matter of
days
> otherwise. Still, I hope I didn't get a 'lemon.' LOL
>
> Marc
>
>
> richard reynolds wrote:
>
> > I know a few people are keeping them longer than some say is possible,
there
> > are a few tricks and the color seems to matter, pink/red are aparently
the
> > easier to keep, I have a green one that is doing well and growing. I
think
> > like many things in this hobby that certain people are locked into there
> > opinions regardless of changes in the hobby. though I dont think
everyone
> > should jump out and buy one.
> >
> > richard
> >
> > Royce > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's
pinkish-orange
> > in
> > > color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
> > > considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular
coral
> > > different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
> > > captivity?
> > > Royce
> > >
> > >
>
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>
>

[Todd W]

I went down the goniopora road 'once'. I'm not likely to do it again.
Mine lasted about a year. It was beautiful but from what I have read
they are not likely to survive in a tank for extended periods. Good
luck but I'm afraid the writing is on the wall.

Todd

Royce wrote:

>Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's pinkish-orange in
>color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
>considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular coral
>different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
>captivity?
>Royce
>
>
>
>

[Royce]

Yes, I'm afraid of it too. I really don't agree with people selling them.
That is, not until the "missing link" is found. I'm kind of ashamed to
admit the way I got this one because I didn't realize it was a flowerpot.
It was very small (actually about half the size it is now) and wasn't
extended, and it was stuffed in the back corner of the LFS's display tank.
I had never seen one this color and I actually thought it was a colony of
button polyps!! I asked the LFS to throw it in with my purchase, and they
did. I didn't pay much attention until I got it home. It was aggravating
because I had previously learned the hard way with one right after I started
reefkeeping. This one is approx. 15" from a 175W MH and it's in an area of
strong water movement. It has been growing at a pretty rapid rate for close
to a year now. The water movement is so strong that it sometimes folds the
stalks, but it seems to love it. I don't feed it directly, but I do feed
the reef DT's, Tahitian Blend, and Black Powder. I'm wondering if maybe
it's somehow getting everything it needs. Food... water parameters...
lighting... water movement?? I'm skeptical, but we'll see.


"Todd W" > wrote in message
...
> I went down the goniopora road 'once'. I'm not likely to do it again.
> Mine lasted about a year. It was beautiful but from what I have read
> they are not likely to survive in a tank for extended periods. Good
> luck but I'm afraid the writing is on the wall.
>
> Todd
>
> Royce wrote:
>
> >Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's pinkish-orange
in
> >color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
> >considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular coral
> >different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
> >captivity?
> >Royce
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Royce]

The experts say that they won't grow in captivity, and are almost always
destined to die. The theory is that there's something they can't get in a
captive environment, but the missing link hasn't yet been discovered. I'm
pretty certain that lighting has also been considered. I don't think anyone
has discovered the reason some are successful but most aren't. Without
knowing better and at the advice of a LFS, I tried once before and failed.
This one is growing at a pretty rapid rate, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
By the way...it's under moderately strong lighting with strong water
movement.

"Claudio Cauchi" > wrote in message
om...
> Here in malta (mediterrenean) flower pot coral grows in an orange
> color. they grow in depths of 1-5 metres attached to large rocks. they
> live in areas were direct sunlight does not reach them and the current
> is rather strong. Could the excessive light in the tanks be the reason
> why they are dying in captivity? I was thinking of starting a setup of
> FOWLR with some of these corals attached to the LR. any opinions or
> should I just omit the flower pot?
> I was thinking of a low light setup to simulate the habitat of these
> corals
> TIA Claudio

[Marc Levenson]

Well, mine has yet to open up a single "flower" at this point, and this is Day
Three. Yesterday, all the stalks were extended 1/2" from the base, but never
opened. Just stubbies.

Today, it is virtually smooth. <sigh> 330w VHO lighting, with variable
currents from a Tunze Turbelle. I've got it turned down for now, as that seemed
to work better yesterday.... but I've got no idea if this thing will make a
single appearance.

Btw, I got my skimmer (Aqua C EV-200) going again last night because my new Mag
9.5 finally arrived - it replaced the one that failed a few weeks ago), and even
with both a 9.5 and a 12 running, my tank temperature is at 79F. I believe some
of my heat issues for the past couple of months came from that faulty Mag 9.5.
Oh, and my skimmer cup collected tons of crap in the past 21 hours, compared to
my (modified) enhanced CPR Bakpak that has been running non-stop and emptied
daily for the past 2 weeks. The cup is almost full!!

Marc


Royce wrote:

> The experts say that they won't grow in captivity, and are almost always
> destined to die. The theory is that there's something they can't get in a
> captive environment, but the missing link hasn't yet been discovered. I'm
> pretty certain that lighting has also been considered. I don't think anyone
> has discovered the reason some are successful but most aren't. Without
> knowing better and at the advice of a LFS, I tried once before and failed.
> This one is growing at a pretty rapid rate, so I'll keep my fingers crossed.
> By the way...it's under moderately strong lighting with strong water
> movement.
>
> "Claudio Cauchi" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Here in malta (mediterrenean) flower pot coral grows in an orange
> > color. they grow in depths of 1-5 metres attached to large rocks. they
> > live in areas were direct sunlight does not reach them and the current
> > is rather strong. Could the excessive light in the tanks be the reason
> > why they are dying in captivity? I was thinking of starting a setup of
> > FOWLR with some of these corals attached to the LR. any opinions or
> > should I just omit the flower pot?
> > I was thinking of a low light setup to simulate the habitat of these
> > corals
> > TIA Claudio

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[richard reynolds]

every now and then my green once does just that, takes a few days off ive
just accepted that its normal.

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Marc Levenson > wrote in message
...
> Well, mine has yet to open up a single "flower" at this point, and this is
Day
> Three. Yesterday, all the stalks were extended 1/2" from the base, but
never
> opened. Just stubbies.
>
> Today, it is virtually smooth. <sigh> 330w VHO lighting, with variable
> currents from a Tunze Turbelle. I've got it turned down for now, as that
seemed
> to work better yesterday.... but I've got no idea if this thing will make
a
> single appearance.
>
> Btw, I got my skimmer (Aqua C EV-200) going again last night because my
new Mag
> 9.5 finally arrived - it replaced the one that failed a few weeks ago),
and even
> with both a 9.5 and a 12 running, my tank temperature is at 79F. I
believe some
> of my heat issues for the past couple of months came from that faulty Mag
9.5.
> Oh, and my skimmer cup collected tons of crap in the past 21 hours,
compared to
> my (modified) enhanced CPR Bakpak that has been running non-stop and
emptied
> daily for the past 2 weeks. The cup is almost full!!
>
> Marc
>
>
> Royce wrote:
>
> > The experts say that they won't grow in captivity, and are almost always
> > destined to die. The theory is that there's something they can't get in
a
> > captive environment, but the missing link hasn't yet been discovered.
I'm
> > pretty certain that lighting has also been considered. I don't think
anyone
> > has discovered the reason some are successful but most aren't. Without
> > knowing better and at the advice of a LFS, I tried once before and
failed.
> > This one is growing at a pretty rapid rate, so I'll keep my fingers
crossed.
> > By the way...it's under moderately strong lighting with strong water
> > movement.
> >
> > "Claudio Cauchi" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > Here in malta (mediterrenean) flower pot coral grows in an orange
> > > color. they grow in depths of 1-5 metres attached to large rocks. they
> > > live in areas were direct sunlight does not reach them and the current
> > > is rather strong. Could the excessive light in the tanks be the reason
> > > why they are dying in captivity? I was thinking of starting a setup of
> > > FOWLR with some of these corals attached to the LR. any opinions or
> > > should I just omit the flower pot?
> > > I was thinking of a low light setup to simulate the habitat of these
> > > corals
> > > TIA Claudio
>
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>
>

[rich]

I dont think there will ever be "a" missing link. If you look at the
history of this guy in captivity, we've actually come a long way. at least
for the more serious hobbyist.
The first issue was poor lighting, the next was thinking that all corals
need pristine quality water, then the introduction of phytoplankton and
rotifers.(which in my opinion is the largest success to date)
Its simply a fact that stores will sell them because of their appeal to
non-educated hobbyists. ive pretty much dedicated the last few years to try
and understand these corals better. and with great success recently. A baby
gonio! While i dont have it up online yet, i will have a database dedicated
to these guys and ask that everyone who owns one, comes and enters their
information, and return later to update it. Maybe collectivly we can add 1
more piece to the daunting puzzle. So for those willing, www.dets.com .
Ill have the database up and running by this weekend at the latest. (now im
stoked and will probably have it online tonight. :) )

-Rich


"Royce" > wrote in message
. ..
> Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's pinkish-orange
in
> color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
> considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular coral
> different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
> captivity?
> Royce
>
>

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I'd be interested in hearing how you kept yours. I think gonis are one
of the most beautiful corals. I know folks like SPS tanks but I'd take a
goni tank over that anyday.

I have tried growing a green goni under strong light (enough for clams)
but it receeded after a few months. I then put it in a tank with less
light and fed it 5x per week but it eventually died. I'd like to know
how yours reproduced!

I won't give up yet. At one time, SPS and anemones were thought to be
difficult.

JJ


rich wrote:
>
> I dont think there will ever be "a" missing link. If you look at the
> history of this guy in captivity, we've actually come a long way. at least
> for the more serious hobbyist.
> The first issue was poor lighting, the next was thinking that all corals
> need pristine quality water, then the introduction of phytoplankton and
> rotifers.(which in my opinion is the largest success to date)
> Its simply a fact that stores will sell them because of their appeal to
> non-educated hobbyists. ive pretty much dedicated the last few years to try
> and understand these corals better. and with great success recently. A baby
> gonio! While i dont have it up online yet, i will have a database dedicated
> to these guys and ask that everyone who owns one, comes and enters their
> information, and return later to update it. Maybe collectivly we can add 1
> more piece to the daunting puzzle. So for those willing, www.dets.com .
> Ill have the database up and running by this weekend at the latest. (now im
> stoked and will probably have it online tonight. :) )
>
> -Rich
>
> "Royce" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's pinkish-orange
> in
> > color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
> > considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular coral
> > different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
> > captivity?
> > Royce
> >
> >

[Royce]

It's about 15-17" from a 14KK,175W MH, in fairly strong water movement. The
MHs are supplemented with PC lighting. I feed my reef DT's, Combo-Vital,
Tahitian Blend, and Golden Pearls. Usually I alternate each, and feed every
few days. More DT's than the others. There's a lot of rock, and the reef
has been up for almost two years and everything is pretty stable. I drip
Kalkwasser and dose calcium chloride, 1/2 dose Lugol's, 1/2 dose trace
elements, and dose strontium and magnesium. I also dose iron for my
refugium. The refugium is a in-line with skimmer set-up.

> wrote in message
...
>
> I'd be interested in hearing how you kept yours. I think gonis are one
> of the most beautiful corals. I know folks like SPS tanks but I'd take a
> goni tank over that anyday.
>
> I have tried growing a green goni under strong light (enough for clams)
> but it receeded after a few months. I then put it in a tank with less
> light and fed it 5x per week but it eventually died. I'd like to know
> how yours reproduced!
>
> I won't give up yet. At one time, SPS and anemones were thought to be
> difficult.
>
> JJ
>
>
> rich wrote:
> >
> > I dont think there will ever be "a" missing link. If you look at the
> > history of this guy in captivity, we've actually come a long way. at
least
> > for the more serious hobbyist.
> > The first issue was poor lighting, the next was thinking that all corals
> > need pristine quality water, then the introduction of phytoplankton and
> > rotifers.(which in my opinion is the largest success to date)
> > Its simply a fact that stores will sell them because of their appeal to
> > non-educated hobbyists. ive pretty much dedicated the last few years to
try
> > and understand these corals better. and with great success recently. A
baby
> > gonio! While i dont have it up online yet, i will have a database
dedicated
> > to these guys and ask that everyone who owns one, comes and enters their
> > information, and return later to update it. Maybe collectivly we can add
1
> > more piece to the daunting puzzle. So for those willing, www.dets.com .
> > Ill have the database up and running by this weekend at the latest. (now
im
> > stoked and will probably have it online tonight. :) )
> >
> > -Rich
> >
> > "Royce" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> > > Does anyone have any knowledge of a flowerpot coral that's
pinkish-orange
> > in
> > > color? It was given to me a little over a year ago, and it has grown
> > > considerably. Am I "one of the lucky ones", or is this particular
coral
> > > different from the other flowerpots that are usually sure to die in
> > > captivity?
> > > Royce
> > >
> > >