Fellow fishes for my goldfish aquarium

[Luka]

Hi. I've been an owner of goldfishes for a few years now and I have
experiences with them. I'm buying new fishes tomorrow because old ones died.
Now, I'd like to add some other fishes there and I was thinking of a fish I
saw in the petshop. I don't know what's their name, but they are long and
they are called 'cleaners'.

Do you know if I can really put them in my home aquarium and do you have any
tips for a new owner? What's their name and where can I find some more info
about them? If there are many species of this sort of fish, I could identify
it from a pic. Is there a site with pics of that type of fishes? Thank you.
Luka

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dont mix goldfish with other kinds of fish. dont get algae eaters cause they can
attack GF suck the slime coat off cause open sores. and smaller fish if they can fit
into the gf mouth, they will fit into the GF mouth. Ingrid

"Luka" > wrote:

>Hi. I've been an owner of goldfishes for a few years now and I have
>experiences with them. I'm buying new fishes tomorrow because old ones died.
>Now, I'd like to add some other fishes there and I was thinking of a fish I
>saw in the petshop. I don't know what's their name, but they are long and
>they are called 'cleaners'.
>
>Do you know if I can really put them in my home aquarium and do you have any
>tips for a new owner? What's their name and where can I find some more info
>about them? If there are many species of this sort of fish, I could identify
>it from a pic. Is there a site with pics of that type of fishes? Thank you.
>Luka
>



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[so238]

Luka wrote:
> Hi. I've been an owner of goldfishes for a few years now and I have
> experiences with them. I'm buying new fishes tomorrow because old ones died.
> Now, I'd like to add some other fishes there and I was thinking of a fish I
> saw in the petshop. I don't know what's their name, but they are long and
> they are called 'cleaners'.
>
> Do you know if I can really put them in my home aquarium and do you have any
> tips for a new owner? What's their name and where can I find some more info
> about them? If there are many species of this sort of fish, I could identify
> it from a pic. Is there a site with pics of that type of fishes? Thank you.
> Luka

I'd say make sure you know why the other ones died, first. Was the tank
overstocked to start with?

Seb

[Luka]

"so238" > wrote in message
...
> Luka wrote:
> > Hi. I've been an owner of goldfishes for a few years now and I have
> > experiences with them. I'm buying new fishes tomorrow because old ones
died.
> > Now, I'd like to add some other fishes there and I was thinking of a
fish I
> > saw in the petshop. I don't know what's their name, but they are long
and
> > they are called 'cleaners'.
> >
> > Do you know if I can really put them in my home aquarium and do you have
any
> > tips for a new owner? What's their name and where can I find some more
info
> > about them? If there are many species of this sort of fish, I could
identify
> > it from a pic. Is there a site with pics of that type of fishes? Thank
you.
> > Luka
>
> I'd say make sure you know why the other ones died, first. Was the tank
> overstocked to start with?
>
> Seb

No, the tank was alright. We suspect that their food might have expired. I
think the tank is 25 liter and we had only 2 gold fishes inside.

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Luka wrote:
>
> No, the tank was alright. We suspect that their food might have expired. I
> think the tank is 25 liter and we had only 2 gold fishes inside.

Then it was overstocked. Goldfish require a minimum of 35 liters per fish!

[sophie]

In message >, Luka >
writes
>
>"so238" > wrote in message
...
>> Luka wrote:
>> > Hi. I've been an owner of goldfishes for a few years now and I have
>> > experiences with them. I'm buying new fishes tomorrow because old ones
>died.
>> > Now, I'd like to add some other fishes there and I was thinking of a
>fish I
>> > saw in the petshop. I don't know what's their name, but they are long
>and
>> > they are called 'cleaners'.
>> >
>> > Do you know if I can really put them in my home aquarium and do you have
>any
>> > tips for a new owner? What's their name and where can I find some more
>info
>> > about them? If there are many species of this sort of fish, I could
>identify
>> > it from a pic. Is there a site with pics of that type of fishes? Thank
>you.
>> > Luka
>>
>> I'd say make sure you know why the other ones died, first. Was the tank
>> overstocked to start with?
>>
>> Seb
>
>No, the tank was alright. We suspect that their food might have expired. I
>think the tank is 25 liter and we had only 2 gold fishes inside.

25 litres isn't enough for one goldfish, never mind two. It would be
fine for most fish, but goldfish produce a phenomenal amount of waste.
You also need to bear in mind that when you buy them they are very young
and very small - their adult size is up to a foot. The fancy goldfish
are smaller but need proportionally more room. You need to reckon on
about 40 litres per goldfish...

people in aquatics shops rarely tell you this! I started off earlier
this year with three fish in a fifty litre tank - they're now in a 180
litre tank and much, much happier. They are still young and I keep white
cloud minnows with them - I'm working on the principle that by the time
the goldfish are big enough to eat them, the minnows will have died
peacefully of old age. Next weekend I will be getting weather loach and
quarantining them prior to adding them to the tank. I am well aware that
many goldfish keepers don't advise mixing gf with other fish, but for
these particular fish I haven't found any contra-indications...

the "cleaner" is likely to be a sucking loach/ chinese algae eater and
while they are interesting fish they don't mix well with goldfish - I
know, I tried it. He spent all day hiding from the goldfish and
occasionally chasing them. not great. They are notorious for being very
territorial, especially when older.

If you want to stick with the 25 litre as a cold water setup, go with
white cloud minnows, they're lovely fish and very easy to keep.
>
>
>

--
sophie

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Nicely said Sophie!

[2pods]

Snip

Next weekend I will be getting weather loach and
> quarantining them prior to adding them to the tank. I am well aware that
> many goldfish keepers don't advise mixing gf with other fish, but for
> these particular fish I haven't found any contra-indications...
>
That's good about the loaches.
We've got two in our small pond and they get on ok with the goldfish,orfes,
and tench.

Peter

[sophie]

In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> writes
>Nicely said Sophie!

I think you might well have said a lot of it to me not that long ago ;-P

--
sophie

[so238]

sophie wrote:
[snip]
>
> the "cleaner" is likely to be a sucking loach/ chinese algae eater and
> while they are interesting fish they don't mix well with goldfish - I
> know, I tried it. He spent all day hiding from the goldfish and
> occasionally chasing them. not great. They are notorious for being very
> territorial, especially when older.
>
> If you want to stick with the 25 litre as a cold water setup, go with
> white cloud minnows, they're lovely fish and very easy to keep.

You really aren't spoilt for choice looking for coldwater fish. The
above post mentioned weather loaches somewhere--fun to keep, but don't
have much color (they become very active when air pressure is low, so
they can 'predict' weather!). If the temperature never falls below 15*C,
you would have a good choice though. Paradise fish are nice. Some corys
possible, I think. If your place is centrally heated then no problem
with the temp, but it's a real headache if you want to go off on a ski
holiday in winter.

Seb

[Luka]

When I saw that you're talking about gf that reach size of one foot, I
realized I had tell you what type of fish I'm talking about. The fishes I
had and am thinking of buying now are small. I had 2 coldwater goldfishes
that weren't bigger then 2 inches. When I bought them they were about 1
inch. They lived for about 4 years in that 25 liter tank. Of course they
would be happier in a 100 liter tank.


> 25 litres isn't enough for one goldfish, never mind two. It would be
> fine for most fish, but goldfish produce a phenomenal amount of waste.
> You also need to bear in mind that when you buy them they are very young
> and very small - their adult size is up to a foot. The fancy goldfish
> are smaller but need proportionally more room. You need to reckon on
> about 40 litres per goldfish...
>
> people in aquatics shops rarely tell you this! I started off earlier
> this year with three fish in a fifty litre tank - they're now in a 180
> litre tank and much, much happier. They are still young and I keep white
> cloud minnows with them - I'm working on the principle that by the time
> the goldfish are big enough to eat them, the minnows will have died
> peacefully of old age. Next weekend I will be getting weather loach and
> quarantining them prior to adding them to the tank. I am well aware that
> many goldfish keepers don't advise mixing gf with other fish, but for
> these particular fish I haven't found any contra-indications...
>
> the "cleaner" is likely to be a sucking loach/ chinese algae eater and
> while they are interesting fish they don't mix well with goldfish - I
> know, I tried it. He spent all day hiding from the goldfish and
> occasionally chasing them. not great. They are notorious for being very
> territorial, especially when older.
>
> If you want to stick with the 25 litre as a cold water setup, go with
> white cloud minnows, they're lovely fish and very easy to keep.
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> sophie

[Luka]

"2pods" > wrote in message
...
>
> Snip
>
> Next weekend I will be getting weather loach and
> > quarantining them prior to adding them to the tank. I am well aware that
> > many goldfish keepers don't advise mixing gf with other fish, but for
> > these particular fish I haven't found any contra-indications...
> >
> That's good about the loaches.
> We've got two in our small pond and they get on ok with the
goldfish,orfes,
> and tench.
>
> Peter

So, are you saying that I can have a loach and two goldfishes in a same
tank?

[sophie]

In message >, Luka
> writes
>
>When I saw that you're talking about gf that reach size of one foot, I
>realized I had tell you what type of fish I'm talking about. The fishes I
>had and am thinking of buying now are small. I had 2 coldwater goldfishes
>that weren't bigger then 2 inches.

that's because they were immature. Goldfish are all the same animal,
whether you get them for a pond or a tank, and they get big. They also
live for a long time; if they died at 2 inches and four years old, I'm
afraid that they weren't happy or healthy goldfish. I'm not trying to be
unkind (as I said, I made the same mistake), it's just a fact.

You could keep goldfish and weather loach in the same tank (you
shouldn't keep weather loach singly), but not in a 25 litre tank, there
isn't the space.

best of luck,



> When I bought them they were about 1
>inch. They lived for about 4 years in that 25 liter tank. Of course they
>would be happier in a 100 liter tank.
>
>
>> 25 litres isn't enough for one goldfish, never mind two. It would be
>> fine for most fish, but goldfish produce a phenomenal amount of waste.
>> You also need to bear in mind that when you buy them they are very young
>> and very small - their adult size is up to a foot. The fancy goldfish
>> are smaller but need proportionally more room. You need to reckon on
>> about 40 litres per goldfish...
>>
>> people in aquatics shops rarely tell you this! I started off earlier
>> this year with three fish in a fifty litre tank - they're now in a 180
>> litre tank and much, much happier. They are still young and I keep white
>> cloud minnows with them - I'm working on the principle that by the time
>> the goldfish are big enough to eat them, the minnows will have died
>> peacefully of old age. Next weekend I will be getting weather loach and
>> quarantining them prior to adding them to the tank. I am well aware that
>> many goldfish keepers don't advise mixing gf with other fish, but for
>> these particular fish I haven't found any contra-indications...
>>
>> the "cleaner" is likely to be a sucking loach/ chinese algae eater and
>> while they are interesting fish they don't mix well with goldfish - I
>> know, I tried it. He spent all day hiding from the goldfish and
>> occasionally chasing them. not great. They are notorious for being very
>> territorial, especially when older.
>>
>> If you want to stick with the 25 litre as a cold water setup, go with
>> white cloud minnows, they're lovely fish and very easy to keep.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> --
>> sophie
>
>

--
sophie

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Luka wrote:
>
> When I saw that you're talking about gf that reach size of one foot, I
> realized I had tell you what type of fish I'm talking about. The fishes I
> had and am thinking of buying now are small. I had 2 coldwater goldfishes
> that weren't bigger then 2 inches. When I bought them they were about 1
> inch. They lived for about 4 years in that 25 liter tank. Of course they
> would be happier in a 100 liter tank.
>

There is no suck thing as a small goldfish. Yes they are small when they are
young but they get big. If yours didn't, they were probably stunted and
that usually means a shortened life and more chances of getting ill.

[Luka]

"Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Luka wrote:
> >
> > When I saw that you're talking about gf that reach size of one foot, I
> > realized I had tell you what type of fish I'm talking about. The fishes
I
> > had and am thinking of buying now are small. I had 2 coldwater
goldfishes
> > that weren't bigger then 2 inches. When I bought them they were about 1
> > inch. They lived for about 4 years in that 25 liter tank. Of course they
> > would be happier in a 100 liter tank.
> >
>
> There is no suck thing as a small goldfish. Yes they are small when they
are
> young but they get big. If yours didn't, they were probably stunted and
> that usually means a shortened life and more chances of getting ill.

What does that mean - stunted?
How big should goldfish get after 4 years? And how long do they usually
live?

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Luka wrote:
>
> What does that mean - stunted?
> How big should goldfish get after 4 years? And how long do they usually
> live?

Stunted means they cannot grow properly.

A common/comet goldfish typically after 4 years should be about a foot or more.
A Fancy goldfish should be between 6-9 inches typically.

Commons and comets can live for 20-25 years, Fancys from 8-15 years. The oldest
goldfish
known was 43!

A 4 year old goldfish that hasd died is a premature death!

I hate to be blunt but thats the way it is. When I first started keeping fish
I never knew they required 10 gallons per fish!

[Tom Puskar]

I was always of the notion that the size of a goldfish was proportional to
the size of its environment, i.e. they would only grow in proportion to the
size of their tank. Is that an old wives tail? If this is true, how does
this relate to the term "stunted" which several folks have used.

I have three tanks (10 gal, 29 gal and 100 gal) and two ponds and the fish
in small tank don't grow to beyond 2-3 inches (they are two years old) but
the ones in the large tank (same age are about 5-6 inches. Some of the guys
and gals in the outside pond are 6-8 inches.

Do goldfish really grow to match their environment or do I have some
"stunted" fish?


"Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Luka wrote:
> >
> > When I saw that you're talking about gf that reach size of one foot, I
> > realized I had tell you what type of fish I'm talking about. The fishes
I
> > had and am thinking of buying now are small. I had 2 coldwater
goldfishes
> > that weren't bigger then 2 inches. When I bought them they were about 1
> > inch. They lived for about 4 years in that 25 liter tank. Of course they
> > would be happier in a 100 liter tank.
> >
>
> There is no suck thing as a small goldfish. Yes they are small when they
are
> young but they get big. If yours didn't, they were probably stunted and
> that usually means a shortened life and more chances of getting ill.

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right. stunted fish and poor immune system and die young. Ingrid

"Tom Puskar" > wrote:

>I was always of the notion that the size of a goldfish was proportional to
>the size of its environment, i.e. they would only grow in proportion to the
>size of their tank. Is that an old wives tail? If this is true, how does
>this relate to the term "stunted" which several folks have used.
>
>I have three tanks (10 gal, 29 gal and 100 gal) and two ponds and the fish
>in small tank don't grow to beyond 2-3 inches (they are two years old) but
>the ones in the large tank (same age are about 5-6 inches. Some of the guys
>and gals in the outside pond are 6-8 inches.
>
>Do goldfish really grow to match their environment or do I have some
>"stunted" fish?
>
>
>"Geezer From The Freezer" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>
>> Luka wrote:
>> >
>> > When I saw that you're talking about gf that reach size of one foot, I
>> > realized I had tell you what type of fish I'm talking about. The fishes
>I
>> > had and am thinking of buying now are small. I had 2 coldwater
>goldfishes
>> > that weren't bigger then 2 inches. When I bought them they were about 1
>> > inch. They lived for about 4 years in that 25 liter tank. Of course they
>> > would be happier in a 100 liter tank.
>> >
>>
>> There is no suck thing as a small goldfish. Yes they are small when they
>are
>> young but they get big. If yours didn't, they were probably stunted and
>> that usually means a shortened life and more chances of getting ill.
>



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[Geezer From The Freezer]

wrote:
>
> right. stunted fish and poor immune system and die young. Ingrid
>

Yep indeed, bigger chance of dying young! If you had a dog, would you keep it
under
the stairs or in a cupboard or give it the best environment you could? enuff
said!