A little follow up

[Fuzzy Orange]

Well as some of you read a week or so ago I was concerned about my fish
sitting on the bottom

I can unhappily report all of them are now dead with the exception of
one large goldfish which looks to be beyond recover too

3 days ago they were still the same sat on the bottom of the tank and
the last 2 little fan tails I bought had both died
Red blood patches around there boddy and tatty looking tails
Then yesterday my 5 year old large fantail was floating on its side on
the bottom - dead

Now today one of the large gold fish (4 years old) was the same - laid
on its side on the bottom very much dead and so were my final 2 little fish

That leaves me one large goldfish which seems to have white fluffy stuff
on its head and still will not feed

*sigh*

And the pet place said my water only had small amounts of nitrate and
nitrite and no ammonia

So I have no idea what killed them

What is the best way to clean the tanks out and stones,plants etc in
case there was an infection - so I can start again..?

[Raccoon]

Hi there,

I'm so sorry to hear about your fish, it really is a tragedy :(

I'm just a novice myself, but I believe you can clean a tank with hot water
and bleach, as long as you leave in the sun to dry and de-chlor? The more
expert among us will confirm or correct me I hope.

Good idea to change all the gravel, rocks and plants too in case of any
infection. I hope you have good luck next time around.

Tess xx


"Fuzzy Orange" > wrote in message
...
> Well as some of you read a week or so ago I was concerned about my fish
> sitting on the bottom
>
> I can unhappily report all of them are now dead with the exception of
> one large goldfish which looks to be beyond recover too
>
> 3 days ago they were still the same sat on the bottom of the tank and
> the last 2 little fan tails I bought had both died
> Red blood patches around there boddy and tatty looking tails
> Then yesterday my 5 year old large fantail was floating on its side on
> the bottom - dead
>
> Now today one of the large gold fish (4 years old) was the same - laid
> on its side on the bottom very much dead and so were my final 2 little
fish
>
> That leaves me one large goldfish which seems to have white fluffy stuff
> on its head and still will not feed
>
> *sigh*
>
> And the pet place said my water only had small amounts of nitrate and
> nitrite and no ammonia
>
> So I have no idea what killed them
>
> What is the best way to clean the tanks out and stones,plants etc in
> case there was an infection - so I can start again..?

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Raccoon wrote:
>
> Hi there,
>
> I'm so sorry to hear about your fish, it really is a tragedy :(
>
> I'm just a novice myself, but I believe you can clean a tank with hot water
> and bleach, as long as you leave in the sun to dry and de-chlor? The more
> expert among us will confirm or correct me I hope.
>
> Good idea to change all the gravel, rocks and plants too in case of any
> infection. I hope you have good luck next time around.

Racoon,

Thats exactly what I would do (and have done). 1-10 Bleach-water solution
wipe surfaces and rinse like mad. Let it dry (in the sun if you can) and then
rinse again, then double dechlor. Make sure you can no longer smell any bleach

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yup.

"Raccoon" > wrote:
I believe you can clean a tank with hot water
>and bleach, as long as you leave in the sun to dry and de-chlor?


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http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care2.htm#quarantine%20new%20fish
it is essential to quarantine new fish for at least a month before adding to existing
fish. I advocate the "closed tank" where new fish are never added to an existing
tank. Ingrid

Fuzzy Orange > wrote:
>3 days ago they were still the same sat on the bottom of the tank and
>the last 2 little fan tails I bought had both died
>Red blood patches around there boddy and tatty looking tails
>Then yesterday my 5 year old large fantail was floating on its side on
>the bottom - dead
>
>Now today one of the large gold fish (4 years old) was the same - laid
>on its side on the bottom very much dead and so were my final 2 little fish
>
>That leaves me one large goldfish which seems to have white fluffy stuff
>on its head and still will not feed
>
>*sigh*
>
>And the pet place said my water only had small amounts of nitrate and
>nitrite and no ammonia
>
>So I have no idea what killed them
>
>What is the best way to clean the tanks out and stones,plants etc in
>case there was an infection - so I can start again..?



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[sophie]

In message >,
writes
>http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care2.htm#quarantine%20new%20fish
>it is essential to quarantine new fish for at least a month before
>adding to existing
>fish. I advocate the "closed tank" where new fish are never added to an
>existing
>tank.

wouldn't that involve adding lots of them at the beginning?
does the filter cope well?

>Ingrid
>
>Fuzzy Orange > wrote:
>>3 days ago they were still the same sat on the bottom of the tank and
>>the last 2 little fan tails I bought had both died
>>Red blood patches around there boddy and tatty looking tails
>>Then yesterday my 5 year old large fantail was floating on its side on
>>the bottom - dead
>>
>>Now today one of the large gold fish (4 years old) was the same - laid
>>on its side on the bottom very much dead and so were my final 2 little fish
>>
>>That leaves me one large goldfish which seems to have white fluffy stuff
>>on its head and still will not feed
>>
>>*sigh*
>>
>>And the pet place said my water only had small amounts of nitrate and
>>nitrite and no ammonia
>>
>>So I have no idea what killed them
>>
>>What is the best way to clean the tanks out and stones,plants etc in
>>case there was an infection - so I can start again..?
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>www.drsolo.com
>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>endorsements or recommendations I make.

--
sophie

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no .. tanks can be pre cycled, or biospira used. or fish added within about 6 months
after they are individually quarantined. and no problem moving a tank full of fish
from larger to smaller tank in case some are lost. but after about 6 months fish
start to lose their immunity to various cooties and then seem to go down fast.
after quarantine, this does not seem true of ponds. and maybe that is the best place
to introduce new fish after quarantine. mine used to go outside every summer seemed
more resistant.
so ... use a much larger tank/ tub for the fish at first to keep water quality
excellent during quarantine. I use a 100 gallon rubbermaid water trough. then move
fish and cycled filter to smaller tank suited to number of fish. If a fish does die,
can always move fish that are left to smaller tank and use bigger one.
Ingrid

sophie > wrote:

>In message >,
writes
>>http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/care/care2.htm#quarantine%20new%20fish
>>it is essential to quarantine new fish for at least a month before
>>adding to existing
>>fish. I advocate the "closed tank" where new fish are never added to an
>>existing
>>tank.
>
>wouldn't that involve adding lots of them at the beginning?
>does the filter cope well?
>



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[Fuzzy Orange]

wrote:
> no .. tanks can be pre cycled, or biospira used. or fish added within about 6 months
> after they are individually quarantined. and no problem moving a tank full of fish
> from larger to smaller tank in case some are lost. but after about 6 months fish
> start to lose their immunity to various cooties and then seem to go down fast.
> after quarantine, this does not seem true of ponds. and maybe that is the best place
> to introduce new fish after quarantine. mine used to go outside every summer seemed
> more resistant.
> so ... use a much larger tank/ tub for the fish at first to keep water quality
> excellent during quarantine. I use a 100 gallon rubbermaid water trough. then move
> fish and cycled filter to smaller tank suited to number of fish. If a fish does die,
> can always move fish that are left to smaller tank and use bigger one.
> Ingrid

This is a little impractical for general fish keeping people though like
myself

I only have a small house, cant afford multiple tanks, filters, lights
etc... just to keep new ones in for a month

The cost is too high

[Raccoon]

I live on benefits so cant afford lots of stuff either. When Percy first
got sick , I had to quarrantine him in the clean bucket I keep for my fish,
I put in an airstone and did a 30 - 50% water change every day, didnt put
gravel in therefore helped it to stay clean.

I managed to pick up my large tank off my boyfriend for nothing when he
upgraded, he only paid £10 for it in the first place. I keep the small 18
inch tank for quarrantining and poorly pets, you can pick them up very cheap
2nd hand and they are easy to clean out.

You can find cheaper filters and air pumps, smaller ones fairly cheaply. I
got some if my bits and bobs from EBay, often you can get these very cheap
indeed.

Tess

"Fuzzy Orange" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
> > no .. tanks can be pre cycled, or biospira used. or fish added within
about 6 months
> > after they are individually quarantined. and no problem moving a tank
full of fish
> > from larger to smaller tank in case some are lost. but after about 6
months fish
> > start to lose their immunity to various cooties and then seem to go down
fast.
> > after quarantine, this does not seem true of ponds. and maybe that is
the best place
> > to introduce new fish after quarantine. mine used to go outside every
summer seemed
> > more resistant.
> > so ... use a much larger tank/ tub for the fish at first to keep water
quality
> > excellent during quarantine. I use a 100 gallon rubbermaid water
trough. then move
> > fish and cycled filter to smaller tank suited to number of fish. If a
fish does die,
> > can always move fish that are left to smaller tank and use bigger one.
> > Ingrid
>
> This is a little impractical for general fish keeping people though like
> myself
>
> I only have a small house, cant afford multiple tanks, filters, lights
> etc... just to keep new ones in for a month
>
> The cost is too high

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actually, 40 gallon rubbermaid tubs from Kmart are great. they can stack into each
other. they are cheap. 3-5 bucks each
hydro sponges, foam filters sit in the tub are around 5-10 bucks a piece online, like
at thatpetplace.com
air pumps are 5-10 bucks.
They are used as quarantine and hospital tanks for new or sick fish. It really is
necessary to have some kind of quarantine/hospital tanks and equipment if new fish
are going to be purchased. Otherwise it isnt fair to the existing fish.
Ingrid

>I only have a small house, cant afford multiple tanks, filters, lights
>etc... just to keep new ones in for a month
>The cost is too high



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