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[Koded-Sophism]

Hi all,



I've started the addiction, and was currently having a good run with my
first reef. But now not so good. So I'm hoping someone can help me out,
and in return I'll make a effort not to mooch, and answer some questions
when I have a bit of knowledge =) (or I could argue society owes me for the
thousands of computer questions I've answered ;)



Anyway, here is my issue.



I set up a 40 gallon(b) reef tank:



SG (1.24)

PH 8.3

Ammonia - Undetectable

Nitrite - Undetectable

Nitrate(nO3) <20ppm

Phosphate <.2ppm

Copper - Pretty high, high enough to kill things. From tap water.

Calcium 350ppm



Using tap water.

Sea Lab28 (calcium & traces elements)

Aquarium Systems Sea Clone

36" Coral Life antic & 10k 200watts

Canister w/ active carbon

Filter pads on top of the sump.

35 pounds of live rock, no substrate & some other dead rock (1 box, I'm not
sure how many pounds it was)



Some stuff died (Cleaner shrimp, hermit crabs, arrow crab), I assume from
the copper. But a Giant clam, torch coral, mushrooms (various) and other
little stuff, was doing well. Due to location, I had to move the tank.





Created Tank 2, same conditions as tank 1 with the following changes:



RO/DI water

The SG was 1.28, Hydro meter was inaccurate, I think it got damaged while
moving.

I adjusted @ .01 per day back to 1.24



After 8 days now (first 4 with the wrong SG), The mushrooms & torch won't
expand fully. The button polyps don't look so hot either. The clam though,
is loving it. Fish (tang & clown) are fine too.



If anyone has any ideas on why?



Thanks,



-Koded

[Billy]

"Koded-Sophism" > wrote in message
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| Hi all,
|
|
|
| I've started the addiction, and was currently having a good run
with my


Sounds to me like you're moving WAAAAAYYYYY too fast. 8 days into a
new tank and you're putting in inverts and corals???? I waited 9
months from addition of water to my first coral. And it was just a
silly little mushroom. This is not a hobby for the impatient. You
need to give a tank a lot of time to become established and get
settled in before you can expect sensitive creatures to thrive.


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[Koded-Sophism]

The original reef tank was about a 1 year old. This would be better compare
with a 100% water change.

- Koded

"Billy" > wrote in message
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> "Koded-Sophism" > wrote in message
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> | Hi all,
> |
> |
> |
> | I've started the addiction, and was currently having a good run
> with my
>
>
> Sounds to me like you're moving WAAAAAYYYYY too fast. 8 days into a
> new tank and you're putting in inverts and corals???? I waited 9
> months from addition of water to my first coral. And it was just a
> silly little mushroom. This is not a hobby for the impatient. You
> need to give a tank a lot of time to become established and get
> settled in before you can expect sensitive creatures to thrive.
>
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[Steve \Srfmon\]

"Koded-Sophism" > wrote in message
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> The original reef tank was about a 1 year old. This would be better
> compare
> with a 100% water change.
>
> - Koded
>
> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>>
>> "Koded-Sophism" > wrote in message
>> news:jd19d.1717$4b.1535@trndny09...
>> | Hi all,
>> |
>> |
>> |
>> | I've started the addiction, and was currently having a good run
>> with my
>>
>>Copper - Pretty high, high enough to kill things. From tap water.

Did you say that you have copper in your system? That's a big problem
if you want to keep inverts alive! Any detectable copper is bad. I would run
some poly-filter to remove what you have after doing a water change & start
getting your water from a water store or better yet invest in an RO/DI unit.
Steve



>>
>> Sounds to me like you're moving WAAAAAYYYYY too fast. 8 days into a
>> new tank and you're putting in inverts and corals???? I waited 9
>> months from addition of water to my first coral. And it was just a
>> silly little mushroom. This is not a hobby for the impatient. You
>> need to give a tank a lot of time to become established and get
>> settled in before you can expect sensitive creatures to thrive.
>>
>>
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>

[Cindy]

>
> Did you say that you have copper in your system? That's a big
> problem if you want to keep inverts alive! Any detectable copper is
> bad. I would run some poly-filter to remove what you have after doing
> a water change & start getting your water from a water store or
> better yet invest in an RO/DI unit. Steve

He said he DID have copper when he WAS using tap water, but he already
changed to RO/DI water and is still having some problems, possibly because
his hydrometer was inaccurate.

KS, give it some time. The corals may need awhile to recover from the move,
the water change and the SG change, but it's good that you changed the SG
slowly.

Cindy

[erik]

I too had a copper from tap water problem years ago.
Once I found the problem and got an RO filter, it still took months to
get the copper out. I used CupraSorb which would bring the copper
level down, but if I waited a few days the levels would be back to
where they were. I was told that the copper is in the rock and sand
and will slowly leach back out into the water.

A couple of months of weekly water changes and constant CupraSorb use
finally fixed it.


Good luck,

Erik

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 01:45:51 GMT, "Koded-Sophism"
> wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I've started the addiction, and was currently having a good run with my
>first reef. But now not so good. So I'm hoping someone can help me out,
>and in return I'll make a effort not to mooch, and answer some questions
>when I have a bit of knowledge =) (or I could argue society owes me for the
>thousands of computer questions I've answered ;)
>
>
>
>Anyway, here is my issue.
>
>
>
>I set up a 40 gallon(b) reef tank:
>
>
>
>SG (1.24)
>
>PH 8.3
>
>Ammonia - Undetectable
>
>Nitrite - Undetectable
>
>Nitrate(nO3) <20ppm
>
>Phosphate <.2ppm
>
>Copper - Pretty high, high enough to kill things. From tap water.
>
>Calcium 350ppm
>
>
>
>Using tap water.
>
>Sea Lab28 (calcium & traces elements)
>
>Aquarium Systems Sea Clone
>
>36" Coral Life antic & 10k 200watts
>
>Canister w/ active carbon
>
>Filter pads on top of the sump.
>
>35 pounds of live rock, no substrate & some other dead rock (1 box, I'm not
>sure how many pounds it was)
>
>
>
>Some stuff died (Cleaner shrimp, hermit crabs, arrow crab), I assume from
>the copper. But a Giant clam, torch coral, mushrooms (various) and other
>little stuff, was doing well. Due to location, I had to move the tank.
>
>
>
>
>
>Created Tank 2, same conditions as tank 1 with the following changes:
>
>
>
>RO/DI water
>
>The SG was 1.28, Hydro meter was inaccurate, I think it got damaged while
>moving.
>
>I adjusted @ .01 per day back to 1.24
>
>
>
>After 8 days now (first 4 with the wrong SG), The mushrooms & torch won't
>expand fully. The button polyps don't look so hot either. The clam though,
>is loving it. Fish (tang & clown) are fine too.
>
>
>
>If anyone has any ideas on why?
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>
>-Koded
>
>
>
>
>
>
>