air pump

[bill]

hi,
im new here and have read quite a bit about ice on the pond and wondered if
an air pump located in our basement could force enough air thru a tube to
keep our pond free of ice with a hole large enough to allow gasses to
escape? it gets pretty cold up here 0 to 20 below
bill

[Gale Pearce]

Hi Bill - There are 2 possible problems with locating the pump inside your
basement - condensation and distance - the air in your basement will be
warmer than the outside air and will probably cause condensation in the
airline to collect and freeze up (I put my airpump in a small rubbermaid
container and locate it on top of my 45 gal bio filter and run the line ( ~
15') at a constant down slope to the airstone 3" below the water surface so
no condensation can accumulate - others here have had freeze ups from loops
or low spots in the airline ) - The longer the distance you pump whether
air or water, the less you get at discharge, although you could compensate
for that with the size of the pump and line
Gale :~)
"bill" > wrote in message
...
> hi,
> im new here and have read quite a bit about ice on the pond and wondered
if
> an air pump located in our basement could force enough air thru a tube to
> keep our pond free of ice with a hole large enough to allow gasses to
> escape? it gets pretty cold up here 0 to 20 below
> bill
>
>

[Ka30P]

I put my air pump on the post that the electrical box lives on, DH straps it in
place with one of those zip ties. Then I up end a galvanized bucket over it,
fairly large one. The post is right next to the pond.


kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[Crashj]

On 18 Oct 2004 17:38:14 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:
>I put my air pump on the post that the electrical box lives on, DH straps it in
>place with one of those zip ties. Then I up end a galvanized bucket over it,
>fairly large one. The post is right next to the pond.

MIgawd, it's dejavu allover again.

--
Crashj

[Ka30P]

Crash observed
>MIgawd, it's dejavu allover again.

Okay, I'm slow today, my brain is addled as the band is practicing for the
*fourth*straight*day* but I don't get it...


kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[Nedra]

Welll,... as usual .... neither do I Kathy!
Nedra in Missouri
zone 6

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> Crash observed
> >MIgawd, it's dejavu allover again.
>
> Okay, I'm slow today, my brain is addled as the band is practicing for the
> *fourth*straight*day* but I don't get it...
>
>
> kathy :-)
> 3000 gallon pond
> 800 gallon frog bog
> home of the watergardening labradors
> zone 7 SE WA state

[Crashj]

On or about Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:06:15 GMT, "Nedra"
> was seen typing:

>Welll,... as usual .... neither do I Kathy!
>Nedra in Missouri
>zone 6
>
>"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>> Crash observed
>> >MIgawd, it's dejavu allover again.
>>
>> Okay, I'm slow today, my brain is addled as the band is practicing for the
>> *fourth*straight*day* but I don't get it...
>>
>>
>> kathy :-)
>> 3000 gallon pond
>> 800 gallon frog bog
>> home of the watergardening labradors
>> zone 7 SE WA state

I hope others will be able to wind through the mix of top and bottom
posting. Check the carat levels.

The system of mounting and shielding the air pump is exactly what I
came up with independantly. Screw it to the post with the electric box
on it and put a bucket over the top of the post to keep off the rain
and snow. I even left the post extra tall on purpose to do this.
"It's like we're twins"
--
Crashj

[Ka30P]

Crash wrote >The system of mounting and shielding the air pump is exactly what
I
>came up with independantly. Screw it to the post with the electric box
>on it and put a bucket over the top of the post to keep off the rain
>and snow. I even left the post extra tall on purpose to do this.
>"It's like we're twins"

Aaaaah, Great minds think alike! ;-)


kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[Derek Broughton]

Crashj wrote:

>>"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>>> Crash observed
>>> >MIgawd, it's dejavu allover again.
>>>
>>> Okay, I'm slow today, my brain is addled as the band is practicing for
>>> the *fourth*straight*day* but I don't get it...
>
> The system of mounting and shielding the air pump is exactly what I
> came up with independantly. Screw it to the post with the electric box
> on it and put a bucket over the top of the post to keep off the rain
> and snow. I even left the post extra tall on purpose to do this.
> "It's like we're twins"

"MIgawd, it's dejavu allover again"! OK, not really. I used the bucket but
it never occurred to me strap the pump to the post. I'm the really slow
twin...
--
derek

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yup,yup, yup, yup. I had a swee****er with 3/4 inch pvc and it iced shut when the
pump was in the house. now the pump is in the 45oF garage and it doesnt ice up.
Ingrid


"Gale Pearce" > wrote:
>Hi Bill - There are 2 possible problems with locating the pump inside your
>basement - condensation and distance - the air in your basement will be
>warmer than the outside air and will probably cause condensation in the
>airline to collect and freeze up


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[bill]

Hmmmm ...i only have to run a line about 6 feet from the window in our
basement . it will ice up i'm sure, maybe heat tape could solve that prob
when needed ? This sound like all this could be a pain. We dont have any
fish ... the frogs loved them.
bill


"Gale Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Bill - There are 2 possible problems with locating the pump inside your
> basement - condensation and distance - the air in your basement will be
> warmer than the outside air and will probably cause condensation in the
> airline to collect and freeze up (I put my airpump in a small rubbermaid
> container and locate it on top of my 45 gal bio filter and run the line
( ~
> 15') at a constant down slope to the airstone 3" below the water surface
so
> no condensation can accumulate - others here have had freeze ups from
loops
> or low spots in the airline ) - The longer the distance you pump whether
> air or water, the less you get at discharge, although you could compensate
> for that with the size of the pump and line
> Gale :~)
> "bill" > wrote in message
> ...
> > hi,
> > im new here and have read quite a bit about ice on the pond and
wondered
> if
> > an air pump located in our basement could force enough air thru a tube
to
> > keep our pond free of ice with a hole large enough to allow gasses to
> > escape? it gets pretty cold up here 0 to 20 below
> > bill
> >
> >
>
>

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mine iced up at the point the PVC left the warm humid basement and hit the cold air
immediately outside the window. heat tape may do it! but dont use pvc then. Ingrid

"bill" > wrote:

>Hmmmm ...i only have to run a line about 6 feet from the window in our
>basement . it will ice up i'm sure, maybe heat tape could solve that prob
>when needed ? This sound like all this could be a pain. We dont have any
>fish ... the frogs loved them.
>bill


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http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.