starting a new nano tank

[Chris Gentry]

Alright, I'm wanting to start a 10gal. nano reef. I've been doing research
on this
for the last few days, and I went and looked around at stores this
afternoon. All the stores I went to had different opinions about what I
need and how to go about doing this right.

Basically I figured I want a few easy to keep corals. The frags I saw I
liked were green frogspawn and some assorted zooanthids, and some green
polyps.

The fish I want are a mated pair of false percula clowns and a tiger
jawfish.

Everything in the tank will be:
- 2 clowns
- 1 jawfish
- 3" DSB (carib sea aragonite premium reef floor)
- plenum (plans at garf)
- the corals mentioned above
- 16 pounds of LR (cured Fiji I believe)
- a powerhead to stir the water (Any advice on this?)
- a 50W submersible heater (I haven't found an ebo jager around here. I
see people seem to like those best, any other good ones?)
- The lights will be two deluxe 2X13w brightkits from ahsupply.com one set
actinic the other 10000k white bulbs. I will put these on two timers to
simulate dawn/dusk
- Clean up crew. (Not sure on this either. Suggestions?)

and that should be it.
Anything I forgot?

Comments on extra equipment I could use?

Is this combination possible?

Thanks for your help. -Chris

[Billy]

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"Chris Gentry" > wrote in message
om...
| Alright, I'm wanting to start a 10gal. nano reef. I've been doing
research
| on this
| for the last few days, and I went and looked around at stores this
| afternoon. All the stores I went to had different opinions about
what I
| need and how to go about doing this right.
|
| Basically I figured I want a few easy to keep corals. The frags I
saw I
| liked were green frogspawn and some assorted zooanthids, and some
green
| polyps.
|
| The fish I want are a mated pair of false percula clowns and a
tiger
| jawfish.
|
| Everything in the tank will be:
| - 2 clowns
| - 1 jawfish
| - 3" DSB (carib sea aragonite premium reef floor)
| - plenum (plans at garf)
| - the corals mentioned above
| - 16 pounds of LR (cured Fiji I believe)
| - a powerhead to stir the water (Any advice on this?)
| - a 50W submersible heater (I haven't found an ebo jager around
here. I
| see people seem to like those best, any other good ones?)
| - The lights will be two deluxe 2X13w brightkits from ahsupply.com
one set
| actinic the other 10000k white bulbs. I will put these on two
timers to
| simulate dawn/dusk
| - Clean up crew. (Not sure on this either. Suggestions?)
|
| and that should be it.
| Anything I forgot?
|
| Comments on extra equipment I could use?
|
| Is this combination possible?
|
| Thanks for your help. -Chris
|
|


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[J.S.]

First, too many fish. 2 fish is pushing it, yet alone 3.
Stick with only polyps and mushrooms for a low light set up.
Get a small Rio powerhead.
You need more light then 26watts. Get at least 36 if you want to keep any
coral.
Clean up crew: 10 hermits, 3 small snails, skunk cleaner shrimp.

Surf around this site for a couple weeks before you make any purchases:
http://www.nano-reef.com



"Chris Gentry" > wrote in message
om...
> Alright, I'm wanting to start a 10gal. nano reef. I've been doing
research
> on this
> for the last few days, and I went and looked around at stores this
> afternoon. All the stores I went to had different opinions about what I
> need and how to go about doing this right.
>
> Basically I figured I want a few easy to keep corals. The frags I saw I
> liked were green frogspawn and some assorted zooanthids, and some green
> polyps.
>
> The fish I want are a mated pair of false percula clowns and a tiger
> jawfish.
>
> Everything in the tank will be:
> - 2 clowns
> - 1 jawfish
> - 3" DSB (carib sea aragonite premium reef floor)
> - plenum (plans at garf)
> - the corals mentioned above
> - 16 pounds of LR (cured Fiji I believe)
> - a powerhead to stir the water (Any advice on this?)
> - a 50W submersible heater (I haven't found an ebo jager around here. I
> see people seem to like those best, any other good ones?)
> - The lights will be two deluxe 2X13w brightkits from ahsupply.com one
set
> actinic the other 10000k white bulbs. I will put these on two timers to
> simulate dawn/dusk
> - Clean up crew. (Not sure on this either. Suggestions?)
>
> and that should be it.
> Anything I forgot?
>
> Comments on extra equipment I could use?
>
> Is this combination possible?
>
> Thanks for your help. -Chris
>
>

[J.S.]

Also, don't get clowns if you aren't going to have an anemone for it. And
you can't have an anemone under low light. You would need at least
80-96Watts (perferably metal halide)


"Chris Gentry" > wrote in message
om...
> Alright, I'm wanting to start a 10gal. nano reef. I've been doing
research
> on this
> for the last few days, and I went and looked around at stores this
> afternoon. All the stores I went to had different opinions about what I
> need and how to go about doing this right.
>
> Basically I figured I want a few easy to keep corals. The frags I saw I
> liked were green frogspawn and some assorted zooanthids, and some green
> polyps.
>
> The fish I want are a mated pair of false percula clowns and a tiger
> jawfish.
>
> Everything in the tank will be:
> - 2 clowns
> - 1 jawfish
> - 3" DSB (carib sea aragonite premium reef floor)
> - plenum (plans at garf)
> - the corals mentioned above
> - 16 pounds of LR (cured Fiji I believe)
> - a powerhead to stir the water (Any advice on this?)
> - a 50W submersible heater (I haven't found an ebo jager around here. I
> see people seem to like those best, any other good ones?)
> - The lights will be two deluxe 2X13w brightkits from ahsupply.com one
set
> actinic the other 10000k white bulbs. I will put these on two timers to
> simulate dawn/dusk
> - Clean up crew. (Not sure on this either. Suggestions?)
>
> and that should be it.
> Anything I forgot?
>
> Comments on extra equipment I could use?
>
> Is this combination possible?
>
> Thanks for your help. -Chris
>
>

[Cindy]

J.S. wrote:
> First, too many fish. 2 fish is pushing it, yet alone 3.
> Stick with only polyps and mushrooms for a low light set up.
> Get a small Rio powerhead.
> You need more light then 26watts. Get at least 36 if you want to
> keep any coral.
> Clean up crew: 10 hermits, 3 small snails, skunk cleaner shrimp.
>

Hey, I don't feel so bad then. I have an 8- or 10-gal. hex with live sand
and live rock. I bought a fuzzy-legged hermit crab and a red hermit at the
fish store, one turbo snail, one smaller snail and when we went to the beach
I caught six or seven hermits, a snail, a baby rock crab, a glass shrimp and
a few anemones. No fish, power compact bulb, don't know how many watts,
that my husband wired into the lid of the tank for me.

Are the hermits a bad thing? They have light-colored legs with darker
stripes.

Cindy

[Chris Gentry]

Well I'll have a combined total of 52W of light out of the (2) 2X13 bright
kits. The lfs guys told me that would be plenty over such a small tank to
raise even the corals that need stronger light. I read somewhere that
clowns will use other things besides anemones as a host if there is not an
anemone available. That is why I was going to choose the green frogspawn.
Maybe I just haven't done enough research on this. Also I read some places
where people had 3 fish in a 10gal nano. Another thing I need to research
into more. Hrmmm... If I increased the max water volume by adding a sump
would that allow me to have the 3 fish? Or is it just to small a space?

OR

would a 15H tank allow me to keep the 3 fish?

Btw thanks for all the help. -Chris


"J.S." > wrote in message news:IHRcd.135$gq2.51@trnddc01...
> Also, don't get clowns if you aren't going to have an anemone for it. And
> you can't have an anemone under low light. You would need at least
> 80-96Watts (perferably metal halide)
>
>
> "Chris Gentry" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Alright, I'm wanting to start a 10gal. nano reef. I've been doing
> research
> > on this
> > for the last few days, and I went and looked around at stores this
> > afternoon. All the stores I went to had different opinions about what I
> > need and how to go about doing this right.
> >
> > Basically I figured I want a few easy to keep corals. The frags I saw I
> > liked were green frogspawn and some assorted zooanthids, and some green
> > polyps.
> >
> > The fish I want are a mated pair of false percula clowns and a tiger
> > jawfish.
> >
> > Everything in the tank will be:
> > - 2 clowns
> > - 1 jawfish
> > - 3" DSB (carib sea aragonite premium reef floor)
> > - plenum (plans at garf)
> > - the corals mentioned above
> > - 16 pounds of LR (cured Fiji I believe)
> > - a powerhead to stir the water (Any advice on this?)
> > - a 50W submersible heater (I haven't found an ebo jager around here.
I
> > see people seem to like those best, any other good ones?)
> > - The lights will be two deluxe 2X13w brightkits from ahsupply.com one
> set
> > actinic the other 10000k white bulbs. I will put these on two timers
to
> > simulate dawn/dusk
> > - Clean up crew. (Not sure on this either. Suggestions?)
> >
> > and that should be it.
> > Anything I forgot?
> >
> > Comments on extra equipment I could use?
> >
> > Is this combination possible?
> >
> > Thanks for your help. -Chris
> >
> >
>
>

[John]

Did you state which 3 fish you would like to keep in there? I forget....

There's one thing to consider about fish selection for such a small tank. You
should find out where the fish you want to get like to hang out. For instance,
I have a Hi Fin Red Banded Goby (with Randall's pistol shrimp) and a Purple
Firefish. The Hi Fin likes to hang out near the sand and its burrow the shrimp
made for him. The Firefish likes the water column. They dont even share each
other's space so there's no territory to fight about (both fishes are pretty
passive anyways, I'm just giving an example). If I was going to add one more
fish, which then I'd be going into Im-going-to-get-flamed-on-the-internet
territory lol, it would be a Black Clown Goby. They mostly perch in corals
which would be the only place my other fish dont go. Oh, I have a ~12 gallon
tank with a ~8 gallon sump.
~John

[Cindy]

J.S. wrote:
> No, hermits are great. They feed on algae that grows on rocks and
> sand. You should be fine with them, as well as the snails. you
> should ask your husband if he knows how many watts your tank has. Anemones
> need a lot of light, and are hard to keep. You need to hand
> feed them little pieces of shrimp or other meaty foods. If your
> husband says 80Watts or higher, you should be ok.

Thanks! I have been feeding the anemones. I don't think I do have enough
light, they've been opening less lately. Better do something about that.

Cindy

[RicSeyler]

Clowns are perfectly fine with no anemone host....... FWIW

J.S. wrote:

>Also, don't get clowns if you aren't going to have an anemone for it. And
>you can't have an anemone under low light. You would need at least
>80-96Watts (perferably metal halide)
>
>
>"Chris Gentry" > wrote in message
om...
>
>
>>Alright, I'm wanting to start a 10gal. nano reef. I've been doing
>>
>>
>research
>
>
>>on this
>>for the last few days, and I went and looked around at stores this
>>afternoon. All the stores I went to had different opinions about what I
>>need and how to go about doing this right.
>>
>>Basically I figured I want a few easy to keep corals. The frags I saw I
>>liked were green frogspawn and some assorted zooanthids, and some green
>>polyps.
>>
>>The fish I want are a mated pair of false percula clowns and a tiger
>>jawfish.
>>
>>Everything in the tank will be:
>>- 2 clowns
>>- 1 jawfish
>>- 3" DSB (carib sea aragonite premium reef floor)
>>- plenum (plans at garf)
>>- the corals mentioned above
>>- 16 pounds of LR (cured Fiji I believe)
>>- a powerhead to stir the water (Any advice on this?)
>>- a 50W submersible heater (I haven't found an ebo jager around here. I
>>see people seem to like those best, any other good ones?)
>>- The lights will be two deluxe 2X13w brightkits from ahsupply.com one
>>
>>
>set
>
>
>>actinic the other 10000k white bulbs. I will put these on two timers to
>>simulate dawn/dusk
>>- Clean up crew. (Not sure on this either. Suggestions?)
>>
>>and that should be it.
>>Anything I forgot?
>>
>>Comments on extra equipment I could use?
>>
>>Is this combination possible?
>>
>>Thanks for your help. -Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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[J.S.]

Sure, but they don't naturally exist like that. Why take that away from them? Again, just because the fish might be ok without it doesn't make it ok.
"RicSeyler" > wrote in message .. .
Clowns are perfectly fine with no anemone host....... FWIW

J.S. wrote:

Also, don't get clowns if you aren't going to have an anemone for it. And
you can't have an anemone under low light. You would need at least
80-96Watts (perferably metal halide)


"Chris Gentry" > wrote in message
om...
Alright, I'm wanting to start a 10gal. nano reef. I've been doing
research
on this
for the last few days, and I went and looked around at stores this
afternoon. All the stores I went to had different opinions about what I
need and how to go about doing this right.

Basically I figured I want a few easy to keep corals. The frags I saw I
liked were green frogspawn and some assorted zooanthids, and some green
polyps.

The fish I want are a mated pair of false percula clowns and a tiger
jawfish.

Everything in the tank will be:
- 2 clowns
- 1 jawfish
- 3" DSB (carib sea aragonite premium reef floor)
- plenum (plans at garf)
- the corals mentioned above
- 16 pounds of LR (cured Fiji I believe)
- a powerhead to stir the water (Any advice on this?)
- a 50W submersible heater (I haven't found an ebo jager around here. I
see people seem to like those best, any other good ones?)
- The lights will be two deluxe 2X13w brightkits from ahsupply.com one
set
actinic the other 10000k white bulbs. I will put these on two timers to
simulate dawn/dusk
- Clean up crew. (Not sure on this either. Suggestions?)

and that should be it.
Anything I forgot?

Comments on extra equipment I could use?

Is this combination possible?

Thanks for your help. -Chris






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[Billy]

>in message news:aiidd.5429$gq2.360@trnddc01...
>Sure, but they don't naturally exist like that. Why take that away
>from them? Again, just because the fish might be ok without it
>doesn't make it ok.

Yes, it *is* ok. You're misunderstanding the relationship. Please do
some research. Clown fish absolultley do NOT need an anenome to
survive, or even to thrive. The captive-rasied clown does not know
that it's ocean-bred brethren are hiding in anenomes. The only
purpose for the relationship is instinctive defense from predators.
In your aquarium, there shouldn't be any predators hunting your
clown.
Start here: http://www.garf.org/trever/anem/anenome.html

http://www.garf.org/39/fish/pict.html



Though I'm not fond of the design of the GARF site itself, I have
very high respect for the information it can provide, as do a great
many others.



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[J.S.]

No, I think you are misunderstanding my posts. Again, I am not saying
clown fish will die without anemones (get the spelling right if you are
going to argue), I am saying that it has been well documented and observed
that clown fish (which, by the way, are actually called ANEMONEFISH) live a
lot healthier and longer when hosting an anemone. And no, it doesn't just
protect clowns, anemones also help clean them as well. If you want to start
throwing sites out, go ahead. I have 10 for each one you reference.

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clownfis.htm

Quotes:
"The mutually beneficial behavior of clowns and anemones has been well
documented and popularized (see Thomas 1978)"

"...chances of keeping and breeding Anemonefishes in captivity is greatly
improved in the presence of host anemones."


Point is, this hobby isn't just so you can show off to your friends what
you've created. You must also respect the creatures in your tank(s) and
give them a good home. So either listen to "Billy" and stress out your
fish, or listen to me and let them live happily. I'd be willing to adopt
your poor fish Billy, I have a good home for them.






"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> >in message news:aiidd.5429$gq2.360@trnddc01...
>>Sure, but they don't naturally exist like that. Why take that away
>>from them? Again, just because the fish might be ok without it
>>doesn't make it ok.
>
> Yes, it *is* ok. You're misunderstanding the relationship. Please do
> some research. Clown fish absolultley do NOT need an anenome to
> survive, or even to thrive. The captive-rasied clown does not know
> that it's ocean-bred brethren are hiding in anenomes. The only
> purpose for the relationship is instinctive defense from predators.
> In your aquarium, there shouldn't be any predators hunting your
> clown.
> Start here: http://www.garf.org/trever/anem/anenome.html
>
> http://www.garf.org/39/fish/pict.html
>
>
>
> Though I'm not fond of the design of the GARF site itself, I have
> very high respect for the information it can provide, as do a great
> many others.
>
>
>
> billy
>
>
>
>
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[Chris Gentry]

Well I've decided to go with a 29gallon tank. Also a metal halide 250W
12000K unit from aquaticlight.com. That should just about get rid of any
problems I may have as far as fish load and what type of corals I can keep.
Since the tank is so much bigger, and the LR isn't getting any cheaper, it
will take me alot longer before I can even start this tank though. My wife
won't let me just go out and blow all that money at once. I have to
save.... But just to let you know, when I do get the fish, I will keep an
anemone as well. -Chris

P.S. Does anyone on here sell coral frags? And happen to live in the
southern indiana area?


"J.S." > wrote in message
news:8omdd.865$qr.93@trnddc05...
> No, I think you are misunderstanding my posts. Again, I am not saying
> clown fish will die without anemones (get the spelling right if you are
> going to argue), I am saying that it has been well documented and observed
> that clown fish (which, by the way, are actually called ANEMONEFISH) live
a
> lot healthier and longer when hosting an anemone. And no, it doesn't just
> protect clowns, anemones also help clean them as well. If you want to
start
> throwing sites out, go ahead. I have 10 for each one you reference.
>
> http://www.wetwebmedia.com/clownfis.htm
>
> Quotes:
> "The mutually beneficial behavior of clowns and anemones has been well
> documented and popularized (see Thomas 1978)"
>
> "...chances of keeping and breeding Anemonefishes in captivity is greatly
> improved in the presence of host anemones."
>
>
> Point is, this hobby isn't just so you can show off to your friends what
> you've created. You must also respect the creatures in your tank(s) and
> give them a good home. So either listen to "Billy" and stress out your
> fish, or listen to me and let them live happily. I'd be willing to adopt
> your poor fish Billy, I have a good home for them.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >in message news:aiidd.5429$gq2.360@trnddc01...
> >>Sure, but they don't naturally exist like that. Why take that away
> >>from them? Again, just because the fish might be ok without it
> >>doesn't make it ok.
> >
> > Yes, it *is* ok. You're misunderstanding the relationship. Please do
> > some research. Clown fish absolultley do NOT need an anenome to
> > survive, or even to thrive. The captive-rasied clown does not know
> > that it's ocean-bred brethren are hiding in anenomes. The only
> > purpose for the relationship is instinctive defense from predators.
> > In your aquarium, there shouldn't be any predators hunting your
> > clown.
> > Start here: http://www.garf.org/trever/anem/anenome.html
> >
> > http://www.garf.org/39/fish/pict.html
> >
> >
> >
> > Though I'm not fond of the design of the GARF site itself, I have
> > very high respect for the information it can provide, as do a great
> > many others.
> >
> >
> >
> > billy
> >
> >
> >
> >
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[Billy]

"J.S." > wrote in message
news:8omdd.865$qr.93@trnddc05...
| No, I think you are misunderstanding my posts. Again, I am not
saying
| clown fish will die without anemones (get the spelling right if you
are
| going to argue), I am saying that it has been well documented and
observed
| that clown fish (which, by the way, are actually called
ANEMONEFISH) live a
| lot healthier and longer when hosting an anemone. And no, it
doesn't just
| protect clowns, anemones also help clean them as well. If you want
to start
| throwing sites out, go ahead. I have 10 for each one you
reference.
|


Your own website offering states that some clowns actually do BETTER
without an anemone, and I suppose this goes to show that even experts
can disagree and, as always, YMMV I stand by my opinion, and of
course, you are entitled to yours. However, I never said they'd die
without one. Please read posts thoroughly before responding in this
manner. I quote from my post: "or even to thrive". I have no interest
in trading websites with you, I am well aware that there are many
n00bs passing themselves as experts that will tell you that it's more
difficult or even impossible to raise and breed happy, healthy,
clowns without anemone hosts, and they have websites, I've seen them.
Your quickness to insult does not speak well of you. If you
interpreted my post as offensive, I grudgingly apologize for that, it
wasn't intended as such.
For future information, disrespecting a poster for a typo,
spelling error, or difference in spelling preference will generally
make you look pathetic, desperate and childish, though I recognize
that it's a USENET tradition to be anal retentive about such things.
Reason #7,345 I spend most of my time in private NNTP servers and RL.

billy


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[RicSeyler]

I understand your logic, but the general consensus among the pros is
they aren't
really needed. No reason to avoid a clown if you don't have a system to
support an anemone :-)

J.S. wrote:

> Sure, but they don't naturally exist like that. Why take that away
> from them? Again, just because the fish might be ok without it
> doesn't make it ok.
>
>
>
>

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[Philip Lewis]

"Chris Gentry" > writes:
>Since the tank is so much bigger, and the LR isn't getting any cheaper, it
>will take me alot longer before I can even start this tank though. My wife
If you are goint to get the tank, lights, and salt,
also get some gravel/sand/mud and at least *some* live sand or rock.

Set it up and start it going and add rock as often as your
checkbook/wife allows. ;)

This will allow your tank to mature. Having a larger water volume
with less bioload will also help with any die-off. Critters will
populate the tank, and "enliven" the sand/base rock/etc you
have... giving you more bang for the buck. (you will essentially be
converting cheap dead sand/rock into live sand/rock)

Any blooms you have will be easier to deal with since you have less
stuff to clean around.

This is what I would likely do anyway.

Good luck!

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[J.S.]

As I've insinuated before, treat your fish however you please. If you want
to keep anemonefish without anemones, go right ahead, it doesn't affect me.
I just try to provide my fish with the healthiest lifestyle possible. Yes,
I am very meticulous when it comes to this trade. And for future reference,
correcting your child-like spelling of anemone was just an attempt to help
you make a better argument. I do not see how you can refute or even
converse when making blatant grammactical errors. Similarly, many have said
Bush would make a better president and debater if he could just speak the
English language correctly.

Anyways, I need to get back to life. Have a good day.



>
> Your own website offering states that some clowns actually do BETTER
> without an anemone, and I suppose this goes to show that even experts
> can disagree and, as always, YMMV I stand by my opinion, and of
> course, you are entitled to yours. However, I never said they'd die
> without one. Please read posts thoroughly before responding in this
> manner. I quote from my post: "or even to thrive". I have no interest
> in trading websites with you, I am well aware that there are many
> n00bs passing themselves as experts that will tell you that it's more
> difficult or even impossible to raise and breed happy, healthy,
> clowns without anemone hosts, and they have websites, I've seen them.
> Your quickness to insult does not speak well of you. If you
> interpreted my post as offensive, I grudgingly apologize for that, it
> wasn't intended as such.
> For future information, disrespecting a poster for a typo,
> spelling error, or difference in spelling preference will generally
> make you look pathetic, desperate and childish, though I recognize
> that it's a USENET tradition to be anal retentive about such things.
> Reason #7,345 I spend most of my time in private NNTP servers and RL.
>
> billy
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[Chris Gentry]

alright. So I can skimp and only get about 15 pounds of LR and get all the
'dead' sand (probably carib sea premium grade aragonite) and set up the
tank, lights, sand, plenum, and LR for now? Get the rest of the LR later...
Then how do I cycle the tank? I've read something about putting in a dead
shrimp for source of ammonia. Or can I just let the thing run
s-is? -Chris


"Philip Lewis" > wrote in message
du...
> "Chris Gentry" > writes:
> >Since the tank is so much bigger, and the LR isn't getting any cheaper,
it
> >will take me alot longer before I can even start this tank though. My
wife
> If you are goint to get the tank, lights, and salt,
> also get some gravel/sand/mud and at least *some* live sand or rock.
>
> Set it up and start it going and add rock as often as your
> checkbook/wife allows. ;)
>
> This will allow your tank to mature. Having a larger water volume
> with less bioload will also help with any die-off. Critters will
> populate the tank, and "enliven" the sand/base rock/etc you
> have... giving you more bang for the buck. (you will essentially be
> converting cheap dead sand/rock into live sand/rock)
>
> Any blooms you have will be easier to deal with since you have less
> stuff to clean around.
>
> This is what I would likely do anyway.
>
> Good luck!
>
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[Philip Lewis]

"Chris Gentry" > writes:
>alright. So I can skimp and only get about 15 pounds of LR and get all the
think of it as a lagoon with some rocks washed up from the reef. :)

>Then how do I cycle the tank? I've read something about putting in a dead
>shrimp for source of ammonia. Or can I just let the thing run
Well... the bacteria will populate the rock/sand/etc... but as with
anything else, it wants food to live.

I've heard of folks using straight ammonia to cycle. gotta make sure
there are no additives though. I don't know that i'd do it.

I'd Throw in some of the eventual clean up crew (hermits and snails) if
they don't come with the 15 lbs of live rock. I've used slivers of
"reduced for quick sale" marine fish bought at the grocery store to feed
them. Not sure i'd go with an entire dead shrimp.

Again... I'm no expert.... I have been doing various aquaria stuff for
about 10 years though.... and i read a fair bit.

I think this is the way to go.

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[Billy]

"J.S." > wrote in message
news:5exdd.3528$106.1786@trnddc03...
| correcting your child-like spelling of anemone was just an attempt
to help
| you make a better argument.

Interesting method.


|| Anyways, I need to get back to life. Have a good day.
|


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[Anthony Pruitt]

"J.S." > wrote in message
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> As I've insinuated before, treat your fish however you please. If you
> want
> to keep anemonefish without anemones, go right ahead, it doesn't affect
> me.
> I just try to provide my fish with the healthiest lifestyle possible.
> Yes,
> I am very meticulous when it comes to this trade. And for future
> reference,
> correcting your child-like spelling of anemone was just an attempt to help
> you make a better argument. I do not see how you can refute or even
> converse when making blatant grammactical errors. Similarly, many have
> said
> Bush would make a better president and debater if he could just speak the
> English language correctly.
>
> Anyways, I need to get back to life. Have a good day.


I have a true percula that I will have had 14 years in March. It's never had
a host other than the rock it staked out as it's territory. I promise you
that if you have a clown without an anemone, you aren't condemning it to a
life of loneliness and dispair, they will live a long and happy life. Giving
someone grief because they don't do things the way you do is wrong, there
are as many ways to do it the *right way* as there are people in the hobby.
Anyone can toss out websites, but 14 years old and still going strong speaks
louder than any idiot with a computer posting on the internet.

[J.S.]

I seriously hope you don't assume that one fish counts as a consensus for
the whole. Very balatant idiotic mistake.



"Anthony Pruitt" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "J.S." > wrote in message
> news:5exdd.3528$106.1786@trnddc03...
> > As I've insinuated before, treat your fish however you please. If you
> > want
> > to keep anemonefish without anemones, go right ahead, it doesn't affect
> > me.
> > I just try to provide my fish with the healthiest lifestyle possible.
> > Yes,
> > I am very meticulous when it comes to this trade. And for future
> > reference,
> > correcting your child-like spelling of anemone was just an attempt to
help
> > you make a better argument. I do not see how you can refute or even
> > converse when making blatant grammactical errors. Similarly, many have
> > said
> > Bush would make a better president and debater if he could just speak
the
> > English language correctly.
> >
> > Anyways, I need to get back to life. Have a good day.
>
>
> I have a true percula that I will have had 14 years in March. It's never
had
> a host other than the rock it staked out as it's territory. I promise you
> that if you have a clown without an anemone, you aren't condemning it to a
> life of loneliness and dispair, they will live a long and happy life.
Giving
> someone grief because they don't do things the way you do is wrong, there
> are as many ways to do it the *right way* as there are people in the
hobby.
> Anyone can toss out websites, but 14 years old and still going strong
speaks
> louder than any idiot with a computer posting on the internet.
>
>

[Anthony Pruitt]

"J.S." > wrote in message
news:cFafd.2857$jD4.631@trnddc06...
>I seriously hope you don't assume that one fish counts as a consensus for
> the whole. Very balatant idiotic mistake.


Were you born an ass or just gradually develope along those lines as you got
older ? I can see why your tank is so important to you, with your attitude
no one else can stand to be around you. Most of us try to be civil and
friendly here, if it's so hard for you to follow those guidelines, why don't
you find another place to post ? I was going to say find a place where you
would be welcome, but that would be a search that probably tax your limited
mental resources. So why don't you save yourself the headache and simply go
away........thank you in advance for your consideration.

[J.S.]

Whoa man, you need to calm down. This is just aquairum chat, we're not
doctors saving lives here. No need to get all riled up about a popular
ongoing debate. I don't understand what the big deal was about me
expressing my opinions regarding these clown fish. All I'm saying is that
it's better to try to give them a natural environment consisting on an
anemone. Is that so wrong? It's like saying give a dog a doghouse for it to
sleep in. What's so bad about that? Anyways, calm down, grow up, and
realize that this is the internet and people are free to express their
views.

BTW:
>Most of us try to be civil and friendly here<

Umm, yeah. You're doing a great job there bud.




"Anthony Pruitt" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "J.S." > wrote in message
> news:cFafd.2857$jD4.631@trnddc06...
>>I seriously hope you don't assume that one fish counts as a consensus for
>> the whole. Very balatant idiotic mistake.
>
>
> Were you born an ass or just gradually develope along those lines as you
> got older ? I can see why your tank is so important to you, with your
> attitude no one else can stand to be around you. Most of us try to be
> civil and friendly here, if it's so hard for you to follow those
> guidelines, why don't you find another place to post ? I was going to say
> find a place where you would be welcome, but that would be a search that
> probably tax your limited mental resources. So why don't you save yourself
> the headache and simply go away........thank you in advance for your
> consideration.
>

[Billy]

"J.S." > wrote in message
news:cFafd.2857$jD4.631@trnddc06...
|I seriously hope you don't assume that one fish counts as a
consensus for
| the whole. Very balatant idiotic mistake.
|


Not helpful. I'm sure you could have shared that in a much more
constructive manner.

[Billy]

"J.S." > wrote in message
news:iAFfd.10295$kr4.5957@trnddc01...
| anemone. Is that so wrong? It's like saying give a dog a doghouse
for it to


Wild dogs don't sleep in doghouses.

/me ducks and runs

billy

[Rod]

>Wild dogs don't sleep in doghouses.
>
>
\
But wild clowns DO!

[J.S.]

You mean more like this:

> Were you born an ass or just gradually develope along those lines as you
> got older ? I can see why your tank is so important to you, with your
> attitude no one else can stand to be around you. Most of us try to be
> civil and friendly here, if it's so hard for you to follow those
> guidelines, why don't you find another place to post ? I was going to say
> find a place where you would be welcome, but that would be a search that
> probably tax your limited mental resources. So why don't you save yourself
> the headache and simply go away........thank you in advance for your
> consideration.

?


"Billy" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "J.S." > wrote in message
> news:cFafd.2857$jD4.631@trnddc06...
> |I seriously hope you don't assume that one fish counts as a
> consensus for
> | the whole. Very balatant idiotic mistake.
> |
>
>
> Not helpful. I'm sure you could have shared that in a much more
> constructive manner.
>
>