Re: Sand as a substrate for Goldfish

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wrong. it will break down and get mixed with the sand by the GF. a thin layer is
not going to go anaerobic, but it must be cleaned just like stones. Ingrid

"Phil Williamson" > wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I've just come back from my LFS and the guy said somethings about sand that
>made sense. He said that since it's so dense, all the crap stays on the
>surface of the sand rather than making it's way into it. That was you only
>have to vacuum the surface rather than poking into the sand.
>
>What do you guys think? Do you like sand?
>
>Phil...
>



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Kay wrote:
>
> I have sand in all my tanks, the the neg comments has not happened to me
> at all and its been a few years now. I have Tahitian Moon Sand. Grey
> Coastal Sand and White sand.
>
> Kay

I've never been hit by a bus, but it does happen. I'd suggest planting plants in
baskets personally. If you do decide to go for sand (I have bare bottom by the
way
and it looks great - I've had gravel and sand in the past) use no more than 0.25
inches
deep.

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not deep enough to anchor plants. a very thin layer, just enough to cover the bottom
of the tank and then the GF move it around in drifts.

I know we got the same conversation on rec.ponds about building a pond for koi or
adding koi to a water feature. there is a difference between a tank for GF and a
planted wonderful underwater paradise with a few fish in it. GF eat landscape (even
plastic ones). GF are PETS. they arent decoration like trops. they are mostly
incompatible with landscape. Ingrid

"Brian S." > wrote:

>Good question Phil. I'm also wondering the same. I have live plants so I
>would think it would have to be deep enough to anchor the plants in too.


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[2pods]

>there is a difference between a tank for GF and a
> planted wonderful underwater paradise with a few fish in it. GF eat
> landscape (even
> plastic ones). GF are PETS. they arent decoration like trops. they are
> mostly
> incompatible with landscape. Ingrid
>

Great quote, Ingrid
Can I "quote" it ?

Peter

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sure... what???

"2pods" > wrote:

>
>>there is a difference between a tank for GF and a
>> planted wonderful underwater paradise with a few fish in it. GF eat
>> landscape (even
>> plastic ones). GF are PETS. they arent decoration like trops. they are
>> mostly
>> incompatible with landscape. Ingrid
>>
>
>Great quote, Ingrid
>Can I "quote" it ?
>
>Peter
>



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[2pods]

I just liked the "GF are most are incompatible with landscape" thing.
It touched my funnybone.

Must be my warped sense of humour :-)

Peter

[Gunther]

In article >,
says...
> I'll try to post a photo of that
> and the 100%-with-slate tank later today, to ng
> alt.binaries.aquaria )
>
>

I just uploaded a photo, subject "Twin Pearlscale goldfish"
that is a photo of....well, two PS's in a tank that is 50%
bare-bottomed, the other 50% is black sand. The lighting
isn't the best to show the bottom -- the shot was taken to
show the fish.

G

[Kay]

Geezer From The Freezer wrote:
>
> Kay wrote:
>
>>I have sand in all my tanks, the the neg comments has not happened to me
>>at all and its been a few years now. I have Tahitian Moon Sand. Grey
>>Coastal Sand and White sand.
>>
>>Kay
>
>
> I've never been hit by a bus, but it does happen. I'd suggest planting plants in
> baskets personally. If you do decide to go for sand (I have bare bottom by the
> way
> and it looks great - I've had gravel and sand in the past) use no more than 0.25
> inches
> deep.

How silly was that. Hit by a truck. You remind me of the boy in a bubble
but with fish. Anyhow I have been through this with you before. So I
don't need to go there with you. I will always voice my opinion on sand
when people like you try and scare people new to the hobby.

Kay

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<< I will always voice my opinion on sand
when people like you try and scare people new to the hobby.

Kay >>

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[Geezer From The Freezer]

Kay wrote:
> How silly was that. Hit by a truck. You remind me of the boy in a bubble
> but with fish. Anyhow I have been through this with you before. So I
> don't need to go there with you. I will always voice my opinion on sand
> when people like you try and scare people new to the hobby.
>
> Kay

You stated you've never had problem. Doesn't mean that problems won't arise for
others.
I'm not trying to scare anyone. At the end of the day, if its your tank do what
you like!
Like I stated, 0.25inches of sand is going to be ok. The deeper you have it the
more problems
you *may* encounter.

[sophie]

In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> writes
>
>
>Kay wrote:
>>
>> I have sand in all my tanks, the the neg comments has not happened to me
>> at all and its been a few years now. I have Tahitian Moon Sand. Grey
>> Coastal Sand and White sand.
>>
>> Kay
>
>I've never been hit by a bus, but it does happen.

true, but that has two vectors involved:
you must be sensible in the road
and
the driver must drive sensibly.
Actually, there's a third:
everybody else on the road, pedestrians and motorists must behave
sensibly.

The second and third of these are out of your control.
Looking after a fishtank (as far as the cleaning aspect goes) only has
you, as the cleaner, as a possible source of problems. So as long as
_you're_ responsible, you don't have to worry about an out of control
bus, or a bus swerving to avoid a mad motorcyclist, or a badly parked
car obscuring your view of the bus and the bus' view of you.
;-)


>I'd suggest planting plants in
>baskets personally. If you do decide to go for sand (I have bare bottom by the
>way
>and it looks great - I've had gravel and sand in the past) use no more
>than 0.25
>inches
>deep.

--
sophie

[Kay]

<snip>
>Looking after a fishtank (as far as the cleaning aspect goes) only has
>you, as the cleaner, as a possible source of problems. So as long as
>_you're_ responsible, you don't have to worry about an out of control
>bus, or a bus swerving to avoid a mad motorcyclist, or a badly parked
>car obscuring your view of the bus and the bus' view of you.


So true. with or without substrate keeping fish is a responsibility.
Gravel, Sand or even slate needs to be cared for just like any other
part of the tank. What gets me now adays is people who treat other
people like they are uncapable of this responsibility and limit the
person by dictating what a goldfish keep should have to protect the fish
against the owner.

As with any animal, research and learn what the animals needs before
buying. Even as a 10 year old I went to the libabry to look up hamsters
before geting one, and I took notes.

Kay

[Kay]

<snip> GF eat landscape (even
> plastic ones). GF are PETS. they arent decoration like trops. they are mostly
> incompatible with landscape. Ingrid
>
I would have to disagree with this blanket statement.
I have tropical fish that are my pets. My tropical fish are not
"decoration" I don't think any fish person who loves thier fish think
of them as decoration. I think breeders have a less attachment though.
But I love all my fish thats why I have them.

Kay

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Kay wrote:
>
> As with any animal, research and learn what the animals needs before
> buying. Even as a 10 year old I went to the libabry to look up hamsters
> before geting one, and I took notes.
>
> Kay

Fair play. Me too before I got fish. It's a shame that not every pet owner
does this. With many people now having access to the internet, and the vast
sites with great information it is quite easy to find out necessary info.

[sophie]

In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> writes
>
>
>Kay wrote:
>>
>> As with any animal, research and learn what the animals needs before
>> buying. Even as a 10 year old I went to the libabry to look up hamsters
>> before geting one, and I took notes.
>>
>> Kay
>
>Fair play. Me too before I got fish. It's a shame that not every pet owner
>does this. With many people now having access to the internet, and the vast
>sites with great information it is quite easy to find out necessary info.

True.
but a lot of people also genuinely believe that they are doing so by
listening to the person in the pet shop...
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sophie

[Geezer From The Freezer]

sophie wrote:
>
> True.
> but a lot of people also genuinely believe that they are doing so by
> listening to the person in the pet shop...
> --
> sophie

Very true. I went in to one years ago and asked a guy what type of goldfish
was in a particular tank his reply "its just a goldfish" he didn't even know
the breed. Another store near me has 4 fancys in a biorb.....shudder

[sophie]

In message >, Geezer From The Freezer
> writes
>
>
>sophie wrote:
>>
>> True.
>> but a lot of people also genuinely believe that they are doing so by
>> listening to the person in the pet shop...
>> --
>> sophie
>
>Very true. I went in to one years ago and asked a guy what type of goldfish
>was in a particular tank his reply "its just a goldfish" he didn't even know
>the breed. Another store near me has 4 fancys in a biorb.....shudder

Most petshops have massively overstocked goldfish tanks; the only one
near me that always has healthy and active goldfish, with none behaving
oddly, has them massively overfiltered. And even they aren't very clued
up on how much room they actually need in an aquarium - they're good and
ponds, but not indoor goldfish. I have a feeling you need to go to a
breeder for that.

--
sophie