Lilli help

[Mostyn]

Could some one point me in the right direction.
I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with koi,
I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
Koicarp will decimate them.
Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other plants.
or leave them in.
I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.
Yours
Mostyn

[Derek Broughton]

Mostyn wrote:

> Could some one point me in the right direction.
> I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
> koi, I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed
> as Koicarp will decimate them.
> Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
> plants. or leave them in.

It's impossible to say. I think a pond without plants is a shame, but my
koi never caused problems, anyway. Some people can't manage to get their
koi to leave the plants alone. The only thing you can do is try leaving
them in.

That's "Lily" singular, "Lilies" plural and Koi (not koicarp).
--
derek

I've got a dozen lillies in my pond that I grow in large plastic
containers. I had so many this year that I split the huge ryzomes and sold
about 6 potted up sections. All this and I have 10 koi, ranging from 10 to
16 inches long. I put a 2 inch layer of 'large' stones on the surface of
the soil. but large I mean no smaller than 1 inch long. It works great.

Good luck.


Fireball


"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> Could some one point me in the right direction.
> I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
> koi,
> I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
> Koicarp will decimate them.
> Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
> plants.
> or leave them in.
> I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.
> Yours
> Mostyn
>
>

[Barbara2245]

Derek Broughton > wrote in message >...
> Mostyn wrote:
>
> > Could some one point me in the right direction.
> > I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
> > koi, I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed
> > as Koicarp will decimate them.
> > Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
> > plants. or leave them in.
>
> It's impossible to say. I think a pond without plants is a shame, but my
> koi never caused problems, anyway. Some people can't manage to get their
> koi to leave the plants alone. The only thing you can do is try leaving
> them in.
>
> That's "Lily" singular, "Lilies" plural and Koi (not koicarp).

It does not sound like your pond is large. Koi a pond 36 inches or
more and a 100 gallons for the first koi. Each koi after that 100
gallons. Koi are diving fish[goldfish just glide] which helps them
develope to their best. Also, koi need pristine water conditions where
as goldfish can swim in a lot of crap as I saw when in China. The poor
fish swam in water with food scraps, pop cans and money. Please
consider carefully the choice of koi.

[[email protected]]

my koi dont bother my lily which has large flat river rock over the soil and gravel
around the river rock. but I feed my koi high quality food so they leave the lily
alone. koi need 500 gallons minimum and 100 gallons per koi after that. Ingrid

"Mostyn" > wrote:

>Could some one point me in the right direction.
>I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with koi,
>I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
>Koicarp will decimate them.
>Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other plants.
>or leave them in.
>I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.
>Yours
>Mostyn
>



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"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> Could some one point me in the right direction.
> I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
koi,
> I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
> Koicarp will decimate them.
> Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
plants.
> or leave them in.
> I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.
----------------------------------
If there are no koi in the bog garden they will be ok. ;o) As for the
lilies and other plants and koi. My koi don't eat the lilies or most other
plants - they RIP them out of the pots and kill them that way. They remove
all the gravel over the soil, then the soil itself until the plant floats
free.... what a mess. I now "bag" the whole pot with bird netting. That
solved the problem of koi rooting in the pots. They will eat the roots off
WH and WL so I keep them in the settling tank. They don't eat the plant
itself, just the roots. There are plants the koi don't touch at
all...sweet flag, water iris, lizards tail to name a few. I feed my koi the
catfish food for $8.99 per 50 lbs and they're thriving on it. This year I
added kitten and puppy chow. They love that as well as the worms I toss to
them when working in the garden.
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[Crashj]

On or about Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:28:08 GMT, "Mostyn"
> wrote something like:
<>
>I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
>Koicarp will decimate them.

"Decimate", hell, they will eat them all. Decimate is one of those sad
abused latin root words that english speaking people should leave
alone, since we have so many others that are more meaningful. Decimate
does not mean destroy, it means eliminate 1/10.
[end language rant]
If you protect the surface of the soil in the pots with ping-pong ball
size rocks they should be fine.
--
Crashj

[Derek Broughton]

Crashj wrote:

> "Decimate", hell, they will eat them all. Decimate is one of those sad
> abused latin root words that english speaking people should leave
> alone,

LOL. You're my kind of people. I _try_ not to flame language, but that's
one that really annoys me. This sort of misuse of language is what causes
situations like the time I got hell from a boss because somebody complained
about an email I sent. I told him, "I can't help it if she so poorly
understands the language that she understood exactly the opposite of what I
actually said" and he just told me I shouldn't use big words...
--
derek

[Mark Bannister]

Crashj wrote:
> On or about Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:28:08 GMT, "Mostyn"
> > wrote something like:
> <>
>
>>I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
>>Koicarp will decimate them.
>
>
> "Decimate", hell, they will eat them all. Decimate is one of those sad
> abused latin root words that english speaking people should leave
> alone, since we have so many others that are more meaningful. Decimate
> does not mean destroy, it means eliminate 1/10.
> [end language rant]
<snip>

According to my dictionary, American Heritage Dictionary of the English
Language, the first definition of decimate is "To destroy or kill a
large part." The second definition is the more literal Latin. I dare
say that there are MANY Latin derived words that we no longer use in the
original context. In this case the connotation of war that is usually
associated with this word (and I assume since my dictionary uses the
example of "decimate a cohort" that it is a very old association) makes
the use of "decimate" here quite appropriate.
Living languages can be a pain to keep up with, but that's part of it.

Mark B.

[Crashj]

On or about Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:35:43 -0500, Mark Bannister
> wrote something like:

>
>
>Crashj wrote:
>> On or about Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:28:08 GMT, "Mostyn"
>> > wrote something like:
>> <>
>>
>>>I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
>>>Koicarp will decimate them.
>>
>>
>> "Decimate", hell, they will eat them all. Decimate is one of those sad
>> abused latin root words that english speaking people should leave
>> alone
<>
>According to my dictionary, American Heritage Dictionary of the English
>Language, the first definition of decimate is "To destroy or kill a
>large part." The second definition is the more literal Latin.
<>
>Living languages can be a pain to keep up with, but that's part of it.

This particular word has been abused for so long that many have
forgotten that it has a specific meaning. Which is my point. Splitting
infinitives and ending sentences with prepositions is something up
with which we have to put. The sloppy form comes into general use. I
blame it on the media and the crappy liberal arts schools they
attended.
As someone at bookcrossing.com explained:
"English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other
languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
pockets for loose grammar."

--
Crashj

[Mostyn]

I didn't ask for a grammar lesson! why is it that when people post a
question on here some one has to rip apart there question instead off
keeping to the topic.
Mostyn
"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> Could some one point me in the right direction.
> I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
koi,
> I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
> Koicarp will decimate them.
> Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
plants.
> or leave them in.
> I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.
> Yours
> Mostyn
>
>

[Mark Bannister]

Crashj wrote:
> On or about Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:35:43 -0500, Mark Bannister
> > wrote something like:
>
>
>>
>>Crashj wrote:
>>
>>>On or about Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:28:08 GMT, "Mostyn"
> wrote something like:
>>><>
>>>
>>>>I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
>>>>Koicarp will decimate them.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Decimate", hell, they will eat them all. Decimate is one of those sad
>>>abused latin root words that english speaking people should leave
>>>alone
>
> <>
>
>>According to my dictionary, American Heritage Dictionary of the English
>>Language, the first definition of decimate is "To destroy or kill a
>>large part." The second definition is the more literal Latin.
>
> <>
>
>>Living languages can be a pain to keep up with, but that's part of it.
>
>
> This particular word has been abused for so long that many have
> forgotten that it has a specific meaning. Which is my point. Splitting
> infinitives and ending sentences with prepositions is something up
> with which we have to put. The sloppy form comes into general use. I
> blame it on the media and the crappy liberal arts schools they
> attended.
> As someone at bookcrossing.com explained:
> "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other
> languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
> pockets for loose grammar."
>

This word USED to have a specific meaning. Further research last night
(in a newer version of American Heritage) sighted a usage panel with 65%
agreeing with the "to kill a large part" use but only when applied to
killing. That still works well metaphorically as used. The sense of a
planned military operation methodically wiping out a group fits nicely
with Koi ravaging plants.
I like the quote from bookcrossing. That's pretty funny. On the other
hand I have no problems with split infinitives. The typical split
infinitive seldom hampers and often aids understanding.

[Derek Broughton]

Crashj wrote:

> As someone at bookcrossing.com explained:
> "English doesn't borrow from other languages. English follows other
> languages down dark alleys, knocks them over and goes through their
> pockets for loose grammar."

I love it! I always said "stole" rather than "borrowed", but this is even
better. Which is, of course, what makes English so great.
--
derek

[Derek Broughton]

Mark Bannister wrote:

>>>According to my dictionary, American Heritage Dictionary of the English
>>>Language,
....
> This word USED to have a specific meaning. Further research last night
> (in a newer version of American Heritage) sighted a usage panel with 65%
> agreeing with the "to kill a large part" use

Oh, please. Use a _real_ dictionary. The Merriam-Webster, by far the best
American dictionary, only lists that as it's _third_ definition.

> killing. That still works well metaphorically as used.

No it doesn't, because even your American Heritage Dictionary has got the
usage wrong. It's no longer being used to mean "to kill a large part" but
is commonly used to mean "destroy", "to kill almost all". If nobody can
agree on the meaning, meaning is lost.

> The sense of a
> planned military operation methodically wiping out a group fits nicely
> with Koi ravaging plants.

"wiping out" is definitely worse than "to kill a large part".

> I like the quote from bookcrossing. That's pretty funny. On the other
> hand I have no problems with split infinitives. The typical split
> infinitive seldom hampers and often aids understanding.

Absolutely. The language grows and evolves. Words _can_ change meaning,
but generally any word abused as much as decimate just stops being used.
--
derek

[Derek Broughton]

Mostyn wrote:

> I didn't ask for a grammar lesson! why is it that when people post a
> question on here some one has to rip apart there question instead off
> keeping to the topic.

Lighten up. You got some good advice and we don't have enough pond work to
do at this time of year to stay on-topic.
--
derek

[Crashj]

On or about Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:28:18 GMT, "Mostyn"
> wrote something like:

>I didn't ask for a grammar lesson! why is it that when people post a
>question on here some one has to rip apart there question instead off
>keeping to the topic.
>"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
<>
>> Koicarp will decimate them.
<>
Relax, it is just chatter. Socializing. Talking. Side conversations.
Humour us.You must be a real pleasure at the club meetings ;-)
"Stick to the agenda"
--
Crashj

[Mostyn]

Just joking guys! but seriously decimated was a bit strong a word but it
suited my needs.
Thanks for all your advice.
Yours mostyn
"Crashj" > wrote in message
...
> On or about Thu, 28 Oct 2004 07:28:18 GMT, "Mostyn"
> > wrote something like:
>
> >I didn't ask for a grammar lesson! why is it that when people post a
> >question on here some one has to rip apart there question instead off
> >keeping to the topic.
> >"Mostyn" > wrote in message
> ...
> <>
> >> Koicarp will decimate them.
> <>
> Relax, it is just chatter. Socializing. Talking. Side conversations.
> Humour us.You must be a real pleasure at the club meetings ;-)
> "Stick to the agenda"
> --
> Crashj

[Rick]

"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> I didn't ask for a grammar lesson! why is it that when people post a
> question on here some one has to rip apart there question instead off
> keeping to the topic.

Rite on! They answer everything but what you ask!!!


> Mostyn
> "Mostyn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Could some one point me in the right direction.
> > I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
> koi,
> > I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
> > Koicarp will decimate them.
> > Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
> plants.
> > or leave them in.
> > I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.
> > Yours
> > Mostyn
> >
> >
>
>

[Reel McKoi]

"Rick" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Mostyn" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I didn't ask for a grammar lesson! why is it that when people post a
> > question on here some one has to rip apart there question instead off
> > keeping to the topic.
>
> Rite on! They answer everything but what you ask!!!

## We have someone forging names and headers on the NG making such replies
to people. As for lily question below......

> > Mostyn
> > "Mostyn" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Could some one point me in the right direction.
> > > I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
> > koi,
> > > I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
> > > Koicarp will decimate them.

## My koi don't rip the lilies apart but will dig the soil out of the pots
unless large eggrock or some kind of mesh/net is over the soil. Anything
smaller is removed as they root around the rootball until the plant floats
free. :-(

> > > Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
> > plants.
> > > or leave them in.

## That depends on what plants you have. My koi don't bother pickerel weed,
water iris, water bamboo or cattails. They will eat the roots off and
eventually kill off water lettuce and hyacinths.

> > > I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.
> > > Yours
> > > Mostyn

## Anything they can't reach is safe. :-))
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[Derek Broughton]

Rick wrote:

>
> "Mostyn" > wrote in message
> ...
>> I didn't ask for a grammar lesson! why is it that when people post a
>> question on here some one has to rip apart there question instead off
>> keeping to the topic.
>
> Rite on! They answer everything but what you ask!!!

Well, not necessarily. But if someone doesn't want to know the correct
names of the fish and plants we love, it makes us a little suspect about
their interest. btw, that's "right" ... (I _never_ flame spelling, but I'm
not above correcting it).

>> "Mostyn" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Could some one point me in the right direction.
>> > I have 3 Lillis in my pond no fish as yet but I am going to stock with
>> koi,
>> > I have been told that any plants in baskets will have to be removed as
>> > Koicarp will decimate them.
>> > Is this true should I take away my beautiful Lillis and all my other
>> plants.
>> > or leave them in.
>> > I was told that the ones in the bog garden would be safe.

So, they're Koi and they're lilies. Some people can't keep koi with plants.
I never had a problem. You have to decide which you care about most. If
you can't stand the thought that the fish _might_ destroy the plants, don't
get them. Otherwise, plant in baskets, with large (too large for koi to
mouth) stones on top of any soil, and they might be fine.
--
derek