remove bio balls from wet to dry?

[LARRY KIMBLEY II]

Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio balls
from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to dry and a
protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker than the
nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????

Please Help
Larry

[Billy]

There is a rather in-depth discussion on www.reefcentral.com about
the benefit or lack thereof, of bio-balls and similar filter media.
It's still going on, but the summary seems to be this:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. IOW, if you have a marine tank, and
you have bio-balls, and you also have a nitrate problem, removing the
bio-balls in favor of another type of bio-filtration (usually
DSB\liverock) may help you. If you have a marine tank with bio-balls
and you have NO nitrate problem, for gosh sakes just let them be.
This finding is contrary to my former belief, but the opinions
and scientific evidence presented were good, and I agree with the
above enough to begin some experimentation as time allows.
Sounds like your Bio-Balls were doing the bio-filtration job, and
there was nothing to take their place when you removed them. They
probably are dead by now, but yes, you could put them back. You could
also wait until your LR catches up with the ammonia production, but
water changes may be needed to protect your sensitive inverts and
corals from the mini-cycle you've started.


In case you're interested, the reefcentral thread is here, and like I
said, is still going on.
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=459764

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"LARRY KIMBLEY II" > wrote in message
news:ghzhd.727$7W.217@trnddc08...
| Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio
balls
| from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
| I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to
dry and a
| protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker
than the
| nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????
|
| Please Help
| Larry
|
|

[John Cassara]

You can buy the marine bacteria to add to the tank to jump start the cycle
as well as an ammonia sponge.

John
"Billy" > wrote in message
...
> There is a rather in-depth discussion on www.reefcentral.com about
> the benefit or lack thereof, of bio-balls and similar filter media.
> It's still going on, but the summary seems to be this:
>
> If it ain't broke, don't fix it. IOW, if you have a marine tank, and
> you have bio-balls, and you also have a nitrate problem, removing the
> bio-balls in favor of another type of bio-filtration (usually
> DSB\liverock) may help you. If you have a marine tank with bio-balls
> and you have NO nitrate problem, for gosh sakes just let them be.
> This finding is contrary to my former belief, but the opinions
> and scientific evidence presented were good, and I agree with the
> above enough to begin some experimentation as time allows.
> Sounds like your Bio-Balls were doing the bio-filtration job, and
> there was nothing to take their place when you removed them. They
> probably are dead by now, but yes, you could put them back. You could
> also wait until your LR catches up with the ammonia production, but
> water changes may be needed to protect your sensitive inverts and
> corals from the mini-cycle you've started.
>
>
> In case you're interested, the reefcentral thread is here, and like I
> said, is still going on.
> http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=459764
>
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> "LARRY KIMBLEY II" > wrote in message
> news:ghzhd.727$7W.217@trnddc08...
> | Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio
> balls
> | from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
> | I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to
> dry and a
> | protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker
> than the
> | nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????
> |
> | Please Help
> | Larry
> |
> |
>
>

[CapFusion]

"LARRY KIMBLEY II" > wrote in message
news:ghzhd.727$7W.217@trnddc08...
> Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio balls
> from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
> I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to dry and
a
> protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker than
the
> nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????
>
> Please Help
> Larry
>
>

Did you just remove the Bios-balls? Bios-balls should normally be remove
slowly. You can add those BIOS-balls back to remove and do some water
changes to get anmonia down to acceptable level. You need to check why
anmonia are high in the first place.

Check the link Billy provided.

CapFusion,...

[Rich R]

Ok , now Im confused, How do you feed the Bio balls to produce nitrates if
you cant make more than you can feed? If I have 10 bio balls or 10000 it
will only produce waste from the amount I feed , No?


"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
>
> "LARRY KIMBLEY II" > wrote in message
> news:ghzhd.727$7W.217@trnddc08...
>> Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio balls
>> from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
>> I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to dry
>> and
> a
>> protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker than
> the
>> nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????
>>
>> Please Help
>> Larry
>>
>>
>
> Did you just remove the Bios-balls? Bios-balls should normally be remove
> slowly. You can add those BIOS-balls back to remove and do some water
> changes to get anmonia down to acceptable level. You need to check why
> anmonia are high in the first place.
>
> Check the link Billy provided.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>
>

[BriMc]

Yes and no. If a small fish lets say a feeder guppy gets down into your sump
and happens to get into the slots of the Bio Balls, there goes your
nitrates. The other thing to worry about is things growing and dieing in
them,
Years ago I had a wet dry and I used a overflow that was wrapped with mesh
and then in the wet dry a drip plate. I used DLS filtering material as the
media. For those of you who have not been around long DLS filter media was a
half inch thick batting of a poly style floss backed with a plastic type of
mesh and the rolls could be purchased in different sizes. When I broke the
tank down I could not believe the things that were in that filter, from fish
to things I could not describe.
I was also very careful feeding and I shut my main pump off while feeding.


"Rich R" > wrote in message
...
> Ok , now Im confused, How do you feed the Bio balls to produce nitrates if
> you cant make more than you can feed? If I have 10 bio balls or 10000 it
> will only produce waste from the amount I feed , No?
>
>
> "CapFusion" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "LARRY KIMBLEY II" > wrote in message
>> news:ghzhd.727$7W.217@trnddc08...
>>> Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio balls
>>> from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
>>> I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to dry
>>> and
>> a
>>> protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker than
>> the
>>> nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????
>>>
>>> Please Help
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did you just remove the Bios-balls? Bios-balls should normally be remove
>> slowly. You can add those BIOS-balls back to remove and do some water
>> changes to get anmonia down to acceptable level. You need to check why
>> anmonia are high in the first place.
>>
>> Check the link Billy provided.
>>
>> CapFusion,...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[CapFusion]

Late Reply - Sorry....

Feeding the BIOS-ball? When the water pass-through, water hold some nutrient
and feed your bacteria that live / reside on that BIOS-balls.

CapFusion,...



"Rich R" > wrote in message
...
> Ok , now Im confused, How do you feed the Bio balls to produce nitrates if
> you cant make more than you can feed? If I have 10 bio balls or 10000 it
> will only produce waste from the amount I feed , No?
>
>
> "CapFusion" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "LARRY KIMBLEY II" > wrote in message
>> news:ghzhd.727$7W.217@trnddc08...
>>> Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio balls
>>> from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
>>> I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to dry
>>> and
>> a
>>> protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker than
>> the
>>> nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????
>>>
>>> Please Help
>>> Larry
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Did you just remove the Bios-balls? Bios-balls should normally be remove
>> slowly. You can add those BIOS-balls back to remove and do some water
>> changes to get anmonia down to acceptable level. You need to check why
>> anmonia are high in the first place.
>>
>> Check the link Billy provided.
>>
>> CapFusion,...
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>

[Rich R]

thank you, that clears that up

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
> Late Reply - Sorry....
>
> Feeding the BIOS-ball? When the water pass-through, water hold some
> nutrient and feed your bacteria that live / reside on that BIOS-balls.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>
>
> "Rich R" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ok , now Im confused, How do you feed the Bio balls to produce nitrates
>> if you cant make more than you can feed? If I have 10 bio balls or 10000
>> it will only produce waste from the amount I feed , No?
>>
>>
>> "CapFusion" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> "LARRY KIMBLEY II" > wrote in message
>>> news:ghzhd.727$7W.217@trnddc08...
>>>> Well I listen to a couple of people on here who said remove my bio
>>>> balls
>>>> from my wet to dry. Now my ammonia is going up.
>>>> I have a 125 gallon fish and coral tank with a bio ballless wet to dry
>>>> and
>>> a
>>>> protein skimmer. The ammonia will kill the fish and coral quicker than
>>> the
>>>> nitrates will. So should I put the bio balls back in????
>>>>
>>>> Please Help
>>>> Larry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did you just remove the Bios-balls? Bios-balls should normally be remove
>>> slowly. You can add those BIOS-balls back to remove and do some water
>>> changes to get anmonia down to acceptable level. You need to check why
>>> anmonia are high in the first place.
>>>
>>> Check the link Billy provided.
>>>
>>> CapFusion,...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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