Green Brain (closed) dying, need help

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I have a 46gal tank, 20gal sump. 60 + lbs of LR. Lots of other corals,
all doing well. Just recently, my closed brain started to show a dead
spot the size of a quarter... now the dead spot is over 50%! Water
tests fine, SG 1.025 CA 420~ no Nitrates or Amnonia... I have a open
brain, bubble coral, cup coral, xenia, antilia all doing fine...The
onlything that is different is my bubble tip is getting ready to
split, and hanging near the surface... suggestions?

[Marc Levenson]

Xerces,

It sounds like your open brain is suffering from RTN (rapid tissue necrosis).
The best option is to frag it, trying to salvage any living tissue so it can
live. Check in the SPS forum on Reef Central for more advice.

Marc

wrote:

> I have a 46gal tank, 20gal sump. 60 + lbs of LR. Lots of other corals,
> all doing well. Just recently, my closed brain started to show a dead
> spot the size of a quarter... now the dead spot is over 50%! Water
> tests fine, SG 1.025 CA 420~ no Nitrates or Amnonia... I have a open
> brain, bubble coral, cup coral, xenia, antilia all doing fine...The
> onlything that is different is my bubble tip is getting ready to
> split, and hanging near the surface... suggestions?

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[Brian McCarty]

Pardon this question, but when you say "frag it", does this mean you break
the coral apart into several pieces? If so, how do you go about fragmenting
the coral?



"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Xerces,
>
> It sounds like your open brain is suffering from RTN (rapid tissue
necrosis).
> The best option is to frag it, trying to salvage any living tissue so it
can
> live. Check in the SPS forum on Reef Central for more advice.
>
> Marc
>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a 46gal tank, 20gal sump. 60 + lbs of LR. Lots of other corals,
> > all doing well. Just recently, my closed brain started to show a dead
> > spot the size of a quarter... now the dead spot is over 50%! Water
> > tests fine, SG 1.025 CA 420~ no Nitrates or Amnonia... I have a open
> > brain, bubble coral, cup coral, xenia, antilia all doing fine...The
> > onlything that is different is my bubble tip is getting ready to
> > split, and hanging near the surface... suggestions?
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>
>

[Marc Levenson]

Yes, this is what I'm suggesting. That is why I referred him to the experts in
the SPS corals forum on RC so they could help give him specific steps.

He might even do a search for "fragging open brain" in google or the search
option on RC.

Marc


Brian McCarty wrote:

> Pardon this question, but when you say "frag it", does this mean you break
> the coral apart into several pieces? If so, how do you go about fragmenting
> the coral?
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Xerces,
> >
> > It sounds like your open brain is suffering from RTN (rapid tissue
> necrosis).
> > The best option is to frag it, trying to salvage any living tissue so it
> can
> > live. Check in the SPS forum on Reef Central for more advice.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I have a 46gal tank, 20gal sump. 60 + lbs of LR. Lots of other corals,
> > > all doing well. Just recently, my closed brain started to show a dead
> > > spot the size of a quarter... now the dead spot is over 50%! Water
> > > tests fine, SG 1.025 CA 420~ no Nitrates or Amnonia... I have a open
> > > brain, bubble coral, cup coral, xenia, antilia all doing fine...The
> > > onlything that is different is my bubble tip is getting ready to
> > > split, and hanging near the surface... suggestions?
> >
> > --
> > Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> > Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> > Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
> >
> >

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[Charlie Spitzer]

it's really hard, if not impossible to frag an open brain. they only have a
single mass of tissue, and tearing it will usually deflate and kill it.

anyway, the OP has a closed brain, which does have individual clumps of
tissue, and yes, that can be fragged, if carefully done. it won't be round
anymore of course. i've seen this problem diving a lot now. i've heard that
dips may help solve the problem, but i don't remember with what. iodine,
antibacterial?

regards,
charlie
cave creek, az

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...
> Xerces,
>
> It sounds like your open brain is suffering from RTN (rapid tissue
necrosis).
> The best option is to frag it, trying to salvage any living tissue so it
can
> live. Check in the SPS forum on Reef Central for more advice.
>
> Marc
>
> wrote:
>
> > I have a 46gal tank, 20gal sump. 60 + lbs of LR. Lots of other corals,
> > all doing well. Just recently, my closed brain started to show a dead
> > spot the size of a quarter... now the dead spot is over 50%! Water
> > tests fine, SG 1.025 CA 420~ no Nitrates or Amnonia... I have a open
> > brain, bubble coral, cup coral, xenia, antilia all doing fine...The
> > onlything that is different is my bubble tip is getting ready to
> > split, and hanging near the surface... suggestions?
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>
>

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Thanks for the advice... alas it was too late. The remaining tissue
will be gone by morning :-( Sad, this coral was over 5 years old.

[rich]

Man sorry to hear of your loss. :'(

Im curious, did you try a fresh water dip?
in a situation like yours i pretty much fear the worst and take a no holds
barred approach to trauma.

To be honest my regimen in a situation like this is:
1. freshwater dip
2. quarentine with origional tank water, and double/triple the dose of
iodine(infection fighting) and strontium(skeletal adhesion).
3. repeat daily for 3 days

ive had 4 corals ive had to do this to, and to and ive had 50/50 results.
Saved 2 lost 2.
One of the saved ones was a pink open brain, but it didnt have the symptoms
you describe. it was retracting from its skeleton.


FWIW

-Rich

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> Thanks for the advice... alas it was too late. The remaining tissue
> will be gone by morning :-( Sad, this coral was over 5 years old.
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