neighbor children

[NauticalWheeler]

No matter how you protect you pond if you build it they will come. I have
our pond in our fenced in backyard. The gates are locked. You need a key
to unlock the gates.

We had just finished waterproofing the back porch and were inside eating
lunch. We heard noises and I thought it was the dog and then I worried that
it was a heron. In few minutes we saw our neighbors 3 year old walked
across the wet stained porch! It was so scared he took off running to the
gate and just stood. When my husband unlocked the gate he took off running
to his house next door! Now I understand why some of the strange things
have been happening to my gardens!

No, we I spoke to the mother yesterday she had no idea that her child was in
out yard. And that he could climb the fence! As a matter of fact she said
nothing. I always have been concerned about the pond and children. My kids
were in 2nd grade when we installed the pond and I have done everything to
protect the pond. I always thought it was 'safe' in my backyard...however, I
always wondered. How sad that parents do not care what their children do to
other peoples yard ... How scary it is to know that a three year old is
roaming around by himself!

For those that think you pond is 'safe'...it only takes one
lost/unsupervised child! Just curious if anyone else has had problems.

Lisa

[Ka30P]

Wow. That's scary. Locked gate and three year old must be climbing over the
fence? You might call your insurance agent, explain your set up, pond, fence,
locked gate and what happened. He/she might tell you your liability.
Having survived a roaming child of mine own (there was no child proof lock this
boy could not open) I am very thankful to his guardian angel.


kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[Derek Broughton]

Ka30P wrote:

> Wow. That's scary. Locked gate and three year old must be climbing over
> the fence? You might call your insurance agent, explain your set up, pond,
> fence, locked gate and what happened. He/she might tell you your
> liability.

I wouldn't dream of calling my insurance agent. Once you warn them about a
liability issue, they're likely to just drop your policy. Then, try to get
coverage.

If you are worried about the liability, call your lawyer.

> Having survived a roaming child of mine own (there was no child
> proof lock this boy could not open) I am very thankful to his guardian
> angel.

Fortunately for the survival of the species, children almost never actually
come to grief from this sort of activity. Unfortunately for individual
families, there are exceptions.

We've been lucky enough to live miles away from very young children as long
as we've had a pond.
--
derek

[Pinkpggy]

The sad thing is that child will eventually get hurt in some one elses yard and
the parents will blame the people rather than themselves. And if he can climb a
fence now at age three, what he will be able to do at age 6 is another scary
thought.
Jan
"Our Pond" Page
http://hometown.aol.com/pinkpggy/index.html

[Mark Bannister]

Derek Broughton wrote:
> Ka30P wrote:
>
> I wouldn't dream of calling my insurance agent. Once you warn them about a
> liability issue, they're likely to just drop your policy. Then, try to get
> coverage.
>

My understanding about ponds is that you were supposed to call your
insurance agent BEFORE you built it.

[Derek Broughton]

Mark Bannister wrote:

>
>
> Derek Broughton wrote:
>> Ka30P wrote:
>>
>> I wouldn't dream of calling my insurance agent. Once you warn them about
>> a
>> liability issue, they're likely to just drop your policy. Then, try to
>> get coverage.
>
> My understanding about ponds is that you were supposed to call your
> insurance agent BEFORE you built it.

Sure. Around here though, they're now looking for absolutely any reason to
drop you. If your company didn't have a problem with you before, you don't
want to bring yourself to their attention for any reason.
--
derek

[Mark Bannister]

Derek Broughton wrote:

> Sure. Around here though, they're now looking for absolutely any reason to
> drop you. If your company didn't have a problem with you before, you don't
> want to bring yourself to their attention for any reason.

Agreed. FYI just calling and asking "Is this covered?" gets added to
your file and can affect your rates. Of course 3 claims in a year means
your are dropped no matter what they are or how small.

[Ka30P]

AK! Sad to think that this happens, getting dropped or flagged by your
insurance for trying to be responsible.
If that is the case I'd look into a grid for the top of the pond. People have
made them and in England they sell them.




kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[Nedra]

I'd call the Police! They will 'talk' to the parents about the child
trespassing.
..... at least out my way they do. Of course, I'm a full generation older
than any of you - - my generation did things differently ... not better,
just differently.

Nedra

"Pinkpggy" > wrote in message
...
> The sad thing is that child will eventually get hurt in some one elses
yard and
> the parents will blame the people rather than themselves. And if he can
climb a
> fence now at age three, what he will be able to do at age 6 is another
scary
> thought.
> Jan
> "Our Pond" Page
> http://hometown.aol.com/pinkpggy/index.html

[2pods]

Landmines, works every time ;-)

Peter
"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> I'd call the Police! They will 'talk' to the parents about the child
> trespassing.
> .... at least out my way they do. Of course, I'm a full generation older
> than any of you - - my generation did things differently ... not better,
> just differently.
>
> Nedra
>
> "Pinkpggy" > wrote in message
> ...
>> The sad thing is that child will eventually get hurt in some one elses
> yard and
>> the parents will blame the people rather than themselves. And if he can
> climb a
>> fence now at age three, what he will be able to do at age 6 is another
> scary
>> thought.
>> Jan
>> "Our Pond" Page
>> http://hometown.aol.com/pinkpggy/index.html
>

[Mike Patterson]

Effective, but could bother the neighbors, and the police might frown
on it.

I'd suggest a wire around the top of the fence that was climbed,
hooked to an electric fence transformer. Just to keep the birds from
fouling the top of the fence, of course.


Mike



On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 22:45:22 -0000, "2pods"
> wrote:

>Landmines, works every time ;-)
>
>Peter
>"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>> I'd call the Police! They will 'talk' to the parents about the child
>> trespassing.
>> .... at least out my way they do. Of course, I'm a full generation older
>> than any of you - - my generation did things differently ... not better,
>> just differently.
>>
>> Nedra
>>
>> "Pinkpggy" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> The sad thing is that child will eventually get hurt in some one elses
>> yard and
>>> the parents will blame the people rather than themselves. And if he can
>> climb a
>>> fence now at age three, what he will be able to do at age 6 is another
>> scary
>>> thought.
>>> Jan
>>> "Our Pond" Page
>>> http://hometown.aol.com/pinkpggy/index.html
>>
>

Mike Patterson
Please remove the spamtrap to email me.
"I always wanted to be somebody...I should have been more specific..." - Lily Tomlin

[ClaudCar]

I concur wholeheartedly - call your atty and have a letter sent to the
parents about the unacceptability of their child's behavior and your concern
about their child's welfare. if it continues, then for the child's own
safety (since it appears that there is lax supervision), contact child
welfare.

--
______________________
Claudia
Totus Tuus
"Derek Broughton" > wrote in message
...
> Ka30P wrote:
>
> > Wow. That's scary. Locked gate and three year old must be climbing over
> > the fence? You might call your insurance agent, explain your set up,
pond,
> > fence, locked gate and what happened. He/she might tell you your
> > liability.
>
> I wouldn't dream of calling my insurance agent. Once you warn them about
a
> liability issue, they're likely to just drop your policy. Then, try to
get
> coverage.
>
> If you are worried about the liability, call your lawyer.
>
> > Having survived a roaming child of mine own (there was no child
> > proof lock this boy could not open) I am very thankful to his guardian
> > angel.
>
> Fortunately for the survival of the species, children almost never
actually
> come to grief from this sort of activity. Unfortunately for individual
> families, there are exceptions.
>
> We've been lucky enough to live miles away from very young children as
long
> as we've had a pond.
> --
> derek

[Happy'Cam'per]

"Derek Broughton" > wrote in message
...
> We've been lucky enough to live miles away from very young children as
long
> as we've had a pond.


Maybe they're all lying at the bottom of your pond Derek :)
--
**So long, and thanks for all the fish!**

[Derek Broughton]

Nedra wrote:

> I'd call the Police! They will 'talk' to the parents about the child
> trespassing.
> .... at least out my way they do. Of course, I'm a full generation older
> than any of you -

How can that be? You still look 30 from here...

> - my generation did things differently ... not better,
> just differently.

Mine too. There were abuses, but on the whole, parents actually took some
responsibility for their children's actions. I still know parents who do,
but there seem to be far too many think it's "Someone Else's Fault (TM)".
--
derek

[Derek Broughton]

Happy'Cam'per wrote:

> "Derek Broughton" > wrote in message
> ...
>> We've been lucky enough to live miles away from very young children as
> long
>> as we've had a pond.
>
>
> Maybe they're all lying at the bottom of your pond Derek :)

Ack! No wonder the koi never seem that hungry
--
derek

[Derek Broughton]

Mike Patterson wrote:

>>Landmines, works every time ;-)

> Effective, but could bother the neighbors, and the police might frown
> on it.
>
> I'd suggest a wire around the top of the fence that was climbed,
> hooked to an electric fence transformer. Just to keep the birds from
> fouling the top of the fence, of course.

If the neighbors object to that, they can't do much about you running an
electric fence around the pond, to keep out the raccoons.
--
derek

[Crashj]

On or about Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:50:13 -0500, "NauticalWheeler"
> wrote something like:

>No matter how you protect you pond if you build it they will come. I have
>our pond in our fenced in backyard. The gates are locked. You need a key
>to unlock the gates.
>
>We had just finished waterproofing the back porch and were inside eating
>lunch. We heard noises and I thought it was the dog and then I worried that
>it was a heron. In few minutes we saw our neighbors 3 year old walked
>across the wet stained porch!
<>
>No, we I spoke to the mother yesterday she had no idea that her child was in
>out yard. And that he could climb the fence! As a matter of fact she said
>nothing.

Ugly. I have to suggest that you send a letter to the Mother outlining
what you have done to protect the child from danger and suggesting she
do some training. If she bitches that you are just covering your ass,
then agree with her and document that conversation, too.
"No Child Left Inside"
"There's always razor wire . . "
--
Crashj

[[email protected]]

I would think a hot wire at the top of the fence would keep out all kinds of unwanted
visitors. Ingrid

(Pinkpggy) wrote:

>The sad thing is that child will eventually get hurt in some one elses yard and
>the parents will blame the people rather than themselves. And if he can climb a
>fence now at age three, what he will be able to do at age 6 is another scary
>thought.
>Jan
> "Our Pond" Page
>http://hometown.aol.com/pinkpggy/index.html



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>On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:50:13 -0500, "NauticalWheeler" > wrote:

>No matter how you protect you pond if you build it they will come. I have
>our pond in our fenced in backyard. The gates are locked. You need a key
>to unlock the gates.

Here's a different approach. Invite the child(ren) over for a visit, let
them feed the fish, and then explain to them the hazards of visiting or
feeding the fish without permission. Let them know that they are always
free to ring your bell, if they want to visit. I've never had a problem
with the kids I've invited over. Ends their curiosity and takes aways the
forbid fruit aspect.

Now I did have some hopping the fence one year, I'm not sure who they were
or where they came from. I'd just see tracks in the soft dirt by the fence
and once a resin fish was knocked in. About this time I learned herons will
visit in mid-day, so I turned the motion sprinkler on 24/7 and that took
care of both problems. ~ jan


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[San Diego Joe]

" wrote:

> I would think a hot wire at the top of the fence would keep out all kinds of
> unwanted
> visitors. Ingrid
>
> (Pinkpggy) wrote:
>
>> The sad thing is that child will eventually get hurt in some one elses yard
>> and
>> the parents will blame the people rather than themselves. And if he can climb
>> a
>> fence now at age three, what he will be able to do at age 6 is another scary
>> thought.

Yeah, then they fall off the fence and voila, instant law suit.

San Diego Joe
4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
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[Nedra]

Great Idea, Jan. Turn on the automatic sprinkler!!LOL ... I'd like to
see any kid get over that shock. I'd never invite the little stinkers into
the pond area, though. Too many 'challenged' ones out there ;-)

I have everyone totally off guard. They all think I'm the haunted witch that
lives
on the corner.... Good. lol

Nedra
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 08:50:13 -0500, "NauticalWheeler"
> wrote:
>
> >No matter how you protect you pond if you build it they will come. I
have
> >our pond in our fenced in backyard. The gates are locked. You need a
key
> >to unlock the gates.
>
> Here's a different approach. Invite the child(ren) over for a visit, let
> them feed the fish, and then explain to them the hazards of visiting or
> feeding the fish without permission. Let them know that they are always
> free to ring your bell, if they want to visit. I've never had a problem
> with the kids I've invited over. Ends their curiosity and takes aways the
> forbid fruit aspect.
>
> Now I did have some hopping the fence one year, I'm not sure who they were
> or where they came from. I'd just see tracks in the soft dirt by the fence
> and once a resin fish was knocked in. About this time I learned herons
will
> visit in mid-day, so I turned the motion sprinkler on 24/7 and that took
> care of both problems. ~ jan
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
>
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[bluegill phil]

I have mine in a chicken wire over chainlink cage. When I had to
change my home ins (my old ins didnt like the new Texas consumer
protection laws and split) the new adjuster came and measured my lot.
He laughed about my caged pond but nothing was on the policy about it.

[Derek Broughton]

bluegill phil <> wrote:

> I have mine in a chicken wire over chainlink cage. When I had to

Your "neighbor children"? I may be curmudgeonly, but that seems extreme
even to me.
--
derek