What's up with the reef central board?

[livingrock]

I've been lurking on this board for months, and one day I ran across a
post
from a guy who had flushed one of his fish. You wouldn't believe the
stupid "I'm a better reef keeper than you" because of what you did
posts. I then responded with my opinion about how the response to
questions, unless you were a frequent poster, to the board were
arrogant and degrading. I then was acused by "brainD" of being a
troll. Well sorry dip****! You are a shill for advertisers and I will
never read your board again!

I don't expect anyone who reads this to agree with me, but I just want
to use this forum to ask, that if you didn't like the treatment you
received there do not visit the site again! From the posts I've read
its full of "finding Nemo" types!

Brain, I didn't want to post on your board in fear of receiving the
"you are a troll" snicker from your community. Thats the problem with
this hobby too many arogant
idiots who feel superior to someone trying to enhance their knowledge.
Well I'm
sorry Brain, I think you fall into this category.

here is a link to the thread. Feel free to draw your own conclusions:

BTW- my post was the last before nitwit closed the thread.

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=222270

[Benjamin]

Ignore them. Lurk and Speak as you wish not how they wish.

--

http://showcase.netins.net/web/reefpage/



> wrote in message
m...
> I've been lurking on this board for months, and one day I ran across a
> post
> from a guy who had flushed one of his fish. You wouldn't believe the
> stupid "I'm a better reef keeper than you" because of what you did
> posts. I then responded with my opinion about how the response to
> questions, unless you were a frequent poster, to the board were
> arrogant and degrading. I then was acused by "brainD" of being a
> troll. Well sorry dip****! You are a shill for advertisers and I will
> never read your board again!
>
> I don't expect anyone who reads this to agree with me, but I just want
> to use this forum to ask, that if you didn't like the treatment you
> received there do not visit the site again! From the posts I've read
> its full of "finding Nemo" types!
>
> Brain, I didn't want to post on your board in fear of receiving the
> "you are a troll" snicker from your community. Thats the problem with
> this hobby too many arogant
> idiots who feel superior to someone trying to enhance their knowledge.
> Well I'm
> sorry Brain, I think you fall into this category.
>
> here is a link to the thread. Feel free to draw your own conclusions:
>
> BTW- my post was the last before nitwit closed the thread.
>
> http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=222270

[CapFusion]

"Benjamin" > wrote in message
...
> Ignore them. Lurk and Speak as you wish not how they wish.
>

Telling everyone about flushing down a fish in this hobby will cause much
attention regarding of animal. People will get emotional or senisitive
toward this behavior. Try post this in hunting and game or similar group. I
but they will have a different attitude.

Everyone or body go into aquarium have different purpose or idea regarding
animal care. Some will care for the animal deeply and other just want their
display to look nice to impress themself or for other. So there will be a
clash between these two group.

CapFusion,...

[ciccua]

CapFusion,

Sounds like good advice. Thanks. It just irks me. I don't like being
treated like a fish killer. I try to give them a good home knowing that
they have been rudely removed from their real homes, but I don't have any
emotional attachment to them. I mean I eat fish and I go deep sea fishing,
does this make me a bad person? lets face it there is a big difference
between a fish and a dog.

Anyway enough said, time to move on.

Thanks.
"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Benjamin" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Ignore them. Lurk and Speak as you wish not how they wish.
> >
>
> Telling everyone about flushing down a fish in this hobby will cause much
> attention regarding of animal. People will get emotional or senisitive
> toward this behavior. Try post this in hunting and game or similar group.
I
> but they will have a different attitude.
>
> Everyone or body go into aquarium have different purpose or idea regarding
> animal care. Some will care for the animal deeply and other just want
their
> display to look nice to impress themself or for other. So there will be a
> clash between these two group.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

[pubily]

To be honest with you I don't think that the troll comment was directed to
you.
It seems from my past experience, which is a lot, with usnet and message
boards,
trolls are ones that are viewed as causing problems. Usually a troll is one
that will post
the original message just trying to cause some type of debate and argument.
For this reason alone I don't think that BrianD was directing the comment to
you.
I think he closed the thread just based on past posts by others in the likes
of this post.
He probably figured the thread would just keep going on and on, showing
nothing really
productive except for rude comments made to the original poster. The act of
closing
down the thread after you had posted could have just been a coincidence.

All of this of course is just my opinion but conveying feels in the form of
posts is just
plain difficult to do. So you can flame me for my comments if you like but
I really would
not take it to heart by the comment made by BrianD.

Back to lurking,
Pubily

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[Benjamin]

What I would like to point out is that this attitude is so hypocritical
in my opinion. Not Caps view in particular, just the whole "fish killer"
idea. I have seen and am sure many of you have seen the all but deplorable
conditions maintained in virtually all aquarium live stock supply outlets.
Now it could be argued that some places are better than others. Many may
even say such things as "how could so and so be successful breeders/shop
owners/importers/etc. if the conditions were so bad". I would answer that
while this seems true it appears to me that the level of care aquarium
livestock receives is directly proportional to the cost (or perceived value)
of such livestock. The more expensive the animals they loose to ignorance
the higher the costs seem to go for the rest of us. This goes all the way
from the original handling to the suppliers to the LFS's. Many times it
reminds me of the conditions that children would keep lightning bugs for
example. In a jar with holes poked in the top and maybe a little grass.
They don't live long but they are not "supposed" to. Yet they don't stop
their blinking for quite some time do they?

Then there is the theory (currently debated scientific BS) that fish do
not have the ability to feel pain and therefor cannot possibly be
mistreated. For whatever reason this was established I do not know. What I
do know is that this seems to be the guise that allows aquarium livestock
dealers of all types to "get away" with this sort of treatment and by
default these attitudes are readily past on to the consumers.

So my opinion is that if anyone is so aggravated at the situation. Or
the flushing/freezing/culling of one or several fish/corals/aquarium
livestock is so evil a concept. Go picket a LFS, educate consumers, get
some petitions going, write some legislation, rant and rave at the
commercial fishing industry, or just shut the hell up and quit picking on
individuals that happen to make an honest error.

I'll dismount the podium and return it to the group now.

--

http://showcase.netins.net/web/reefpage/

"ciccua" > wrote in message
...
> CapFusion,
>
> Sounds like good advice. Thanks. It just irks me. I don't like being
> treated like a fish killer. I try to give them a good home knowing that
> they have been rudely removed from their real homes, but I don't have any
> emotional attachment to them. I mean I eat fish and I go deep sea
fishing,
> does this make me a bad person? lets face it there is a big difference
> between a fish and a dog.
>
> Anyway enough said, time to move on.
>
> Thanks.
> "CapFusion" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Benjamin" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Ignore them. Lurk and Speak as you wish not how they wish.
> > >
> >
> > Telling everyone about flushing down a fish in this hobby will cause
much
> > attention regarding of animal. People will get emotional or senisitive
> > toward this behavior. Try post this in hunting and game or similar
group.
> I
> > but they will have a different attitude.
> >
> > Everyone or body go into aquarium have different purpose or idea
regarding
> > animal care. Some will care for the animal deeply and other just want
> their
> > display to look nice to impress themself or for other. So there will be
a
> > clash between these two group.
> >
> > CapFusion,...
> >
> >
>
>

[ReeFeR_MaN]

One thing to remember with RC is that if a poster has say 5000+ posts to his
name, this does not necessarily mean that they know what there talking
about.




<pubily> wrote in message ...
> To be honest with you I don't think that the troll comment was directed to
> you.
> It seems from my past experience, which is a lot, with usnet and message
> boards,
> trolls are ones that are viewed as causing problems. Usually a troll is
one
> that will post
> the original message just trying to cause some type of debate and
argument.
> For this reason alone I don't think that BrianD was directing the comment
to
> you.
> I think he closed the thread just based on past posts by others in the
likes
> of this post.
> He probably figured the thread would just keep going on and on, showing
> nothing really
> productive except for rude comments made to the original poster. The act
of
> closing
> down the thread after you had posted could have just been a coincidence.
>
> All of this of course is just my opinion but conveying feels in the form
of
> posts is just
> plain difficult to do. So you can flame me for my comments if you like
but
> I really would
> not take it to heart by the comment made by BrianD.
>
> Back to lurking,
> Pubily
>
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[ReeFeR_MaN]

But it does beg the question, why did you bother to post that post? You had
to know that it was going to be offensive to some, and the damsel wasn't a
psychotic murderer, it was just doing what damsels do, YOU should not have
purchased it, as simple search on the web for "Damsel" would have returned
1000's of anecdotal evidence that they do not make good tank mates. Be big
and blame yourself not the Damsel.

Sounds harsh, but its the truth.

And I hunt and I fish.





<pubily> wrote in message ...
> To be honest with you I don't think that the troll comment was directed to
> you.
> It seems from my past experience, which is a lot, with usnet and message
> boards,
> trolls are ones that are viewed as causing problems. Usually a troll is
one
> that will post
> the original message just trying to cause some type of debate and
argument.
> For this reason alone I don't think that BrianD was directing the comment
to
> you.
> I think he closed the thread just based on past posts by others in the
likes
> of this post.
> He probably figured the thread would just keep going on and on, showing
> nothing really
> productive except for rude comments made to the original poster. The act
of
> closing
> down the thread after you had posted could have just been a coincidence.
>
> All of this of course is just my opinion but conveying feels in the form
of
> posts is just
> plain difficult to do. So you can flame me for my comments if you like
but
> I really would
> not take it to heart by the comment made by BrianD.
>
> Back to lurking,
> Pubily
>
> x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com
> x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups
> x-- Access to over 800 Gigs/Day - $8.95/Month
> x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD
>

[Rbuehler9]

>One thing to remember with RC is that if a poster has say 5000+ posts to his
>name, this does not necessarily mean that they know what there talking
>about.
>

I agree,, usually just the opposite! Ever hear the saying "an empty can rattles
ther most" ;)

[Bill Darchi]

ReeFeR_MaN,

I understand you point, BUT

I've had Damsel's and every book I've read said yellow tails are the least
aggressive, and he probably figured for a first SW fish
$4 was a small price to pay to get experience. Nobody wants to but a $50 fish
for as a cherry popper and have in die in a week.



ReeFeR_MaN wrote:

> But it does beg the question, why did you bother to post that post? You had
> to know that it was going to be offensive to some, and the damsel wasn't a
> psychotic murderer, it was just doing what damsels do, YOU should not have
> purchased it, as simple search on the web for "Damsel" would have returned
> 1000's of anecdotal evidence that they do not make good tank mates. Be big
> and blame yourself not the Damsel.
>
> Sounds harsh, but its the truth.
>
> And I hunt and I fish.
>
> <pubily> wrote in message ...
> > To be honest with you I don't think that the troll comment was directed to
> > you.
> > It seems from my past experience, which is a lot, with usnet and message
> > boards,
> > trolls are ones that are viewed as causing problems. Usually a troll is
> one
> > that will post
> > the original message just trying to cause some type of debate and
> argument.
> > For this reason alone I don't think that BrianD was directing the comment
> to
> > you.
> > I think he closed the thread just based on past posts by others in the
> likes
> > of this post.
> > He probably figured the thread would just keep going on and on, showing
> > nothing really
> > productive except for rude comments made to the original poster. The act
> of
> > closing
> > down the thread after you had posted could have just been a coincidence.
> >
> > All of this of course is just my opinion but conveying feels in the form
> of
> > posts is just
> > plain difficult to do. So you can flame me for my comments if you like
> but
> > I really would
> > not take it to heart by the comment made by BrianD.
> >
> > Back to lurking,
> > Pubily
> >
> > x-- 100 Proof News - http://www.100ProofNews.com
> > x-- 3,500+ Binary NewsGroups, and over 90,000 other groups
> > x-- Access to over 800 Gigs/Day - $8.95/Month
> > x-- UNLIMITED DOWNLOAD
> >

[CapFusion]

"ciccua" > wrote in message
...
> CapFusion,
>
> Sounds like good advice. Thanks. It just irks me. I don't like being
> treated like a fish killer. I try to give them a good home knowing that
> they have been rudely removed from their real homes, but I don't have any
> emotional attachment to them. I mean I eat fish and I go deep sea
fishing,
> does this make me a bad person? lets face it there is a big difference
> between a fish and a dog.
>
> Anyway enough said, time to move on.


It is really up to you to decide. This and any other NG only express opinion
and suggestion. The end result will be you to take it or leave it. No one
here is forcing upon anyone.

CapFusion,...

[JCBlueEyes]

> I try to give them a good home knowing that
>they have been rudely removed from their real homes, but I don't have any
>emotional attachment to them. I mean I eat fish and I go deep sea fishing,

You would be surprised how many people DO form emotional attachments to their
pets, including fish. Especially if that fish had been nursed back to health
and/or had been in the owner's care for many years. Watching a fish every day
in your living room for years, eye to eye, feeding them, etc etc ... is a FAR
cry from eating a fillet on your table or yanking some unseen fish from the
ocean when it comes to emotional attachment. LOL

JCB