Frog thoughts

[Ka30P]

It's been too quiet in here.
We need some diversion.

Rule of Rec.Ponds Thumb has basically been - too much frog/toad
spawn, move it to a natural waterway.

I've been googling around and found:
http://www.sfns.org.uk/amphibingarden.htm

and it says
"During spring, a lot of people become concerned when they see their pond
filling up with frogspawn, thinking that it is too much for the pond to cope
with, or that they will be ‘overrun’ with frogs. In fact, there is no such
thing as ‘excess’ spawn. Females lay their eggs (up to 2000 each year) in a
special jelly which gradually swells up on contact with water. Also, in a given
pond, several frogs will often lay their spawn together in one place and it
might appear, to our eyes, that too much has been laid. However, each female
lays a single clump of spawn, and each pond (plus surrounding land areas) can
support a certain number of frogs, largely depending on the quality of the
habitat.Â* In any case, most spawn and tadpoles perish, so only a tiny fraction
of the eggs you see in spring will naturally survive to becomeÂ* adult frogs.
Taking spawn away will not have any significant effect on overall frog numbers.
Rather than fruitlessly removing spawn and frogs, it is better to accept that
if you provide good habitat you are effectively inviting lots of frogs."

What do you think?
Has anyone had fish deaths or fish distress from an overabundance of frog
or toad spawn?Â*

I had a big mass of bullfrog spawn in with goldfish and koi and only saw one
lonely tadpole swimming around subsequent to the spawning. No fish problems, no
mass invasion of bullfrogs.

kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[Bonnie]

I was never aware of frog spawn in the pond. However, when
cleaning the veggie filter this Fall I found an abundance of
tadpoles!
I did have a problem when the toads filled my first pond
with toadlets. I did my best to scoop them and relocate to
a larger pond and watch the remainder hop away a short time
later.

--
Bonnie
NJ

[Ka30P]

Bonnie wrote >I did have a problem when the toads filled my first pond
>with toadlets.

Hi Bonnie!
Just too many? Or were the fish in the pond struggling?


kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[Phisherman]

We have an abundance of green frogs. In fact, while we dug the pond
(about 7,000 gallons) frogs gathered around waiting and watching us.
In the spring the sound is intense. There are thousands of fish too.
I have heard someone say that tadpoles are poisonous to fish, but even
if that is true I can afford to lose a few fish. And it is not
uncommon that every time I mow around the pond a frog will jump under
the mower and parts will fly in all directions. Snakes, raccoons, and
birds eat some of the frogs too.


On 15 Nov 2004 22:48:54 GMT, (Ka30P) wrote:

>
>It's been too quiet in here.
>We need some diversion.
>
>Rule of Rec.Ponds Thumb has basically been - too much frog/toad
>spawn, move it to a natural waterway.
>
>I've been googling around and found:
>http://www.sfns.org.uk/amphibingarden.htm
>
>and it says
>"During spring, a lot of people become concerned when they see their pond
>filling up with frogspawn, thinking that it is too much for the pond to cope
>with, or that they will be ‘overrun’ with frogs. In fact, there is no such
>thing as ‘excess’ spawn. Females lay their eggs (up to 2000 each year) in a
>special jelly which gradually swells up on contact with water. Also, in a given
>pond, several frogs will often lay their spawn together in one place and it
>might appear, to our eyes, that too much has been laid. However, each female
>lays a single clump of spawn, and each pond (plus surrounding land areas) can
>support a certain number of frogs, largely depending on the quality of the
>habitat.* In any case, most spawn and tadpoles perish, so only a tiny fraction
>of the eggs you see in spring will naturally survive to become* adult frogs.
>Taking spawn away will not have any significant effect on overall frog numbers.
>Rather than fruitlessly removing spawn and frogs, it is better to accept that
>if you provide good habitat you are effectively inviting lots of frogs."
>
>What do you think?
>Has anyone had fish deaths or fish distress from an overabundance of frog
>or toad spawn?*
>
> I had a big mass of bullfrog spawn in with goldfish and koi and only saw one
>lonely tadpole swimming around subsequent to the spawning. No fish problems, no
>mass invasion of bullfrogs.
>
>kathy :-)
>3000 gallon pond
>800 gallon frog bog
>home of the watergardening labradors
>zone 7 SE WA state

[Bill Stock]

"Phisherman" > wrote in message
...
> We have an abundance of green frogs. In fact, while we dug the pond
> (about 7,000 gallons) frogs gathered around waiting and watching us.
> In the spring the sound is intense. There are thousands of fish too.
> I have heard someone say that tadpoles are poisonous to fish, but even
> if that is true I can afford to lose a few fish. And it is not
> uncommon that every time I mow around the pond a frog will jump under
> the mower and parts will fly in all directions. Snakes, raccoons, and
> birds eat some of the frogs too.
>

We know what REALLY HAPPENED to your poor frogs:
http://joecartoon.atomfilms.shockwave.com/pages/frogbender/

:)

--
Bill, who has no Frogs or Toads. :(

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:42:15 -0500, "Bill Stock" > wrote:

>We know what REALLY HAPPENED to your poor frogs:
>http://joecartoon.atomfilms.shockwave.com/pages/frogbender/
>
OMGosh, so funny. I could have come up with a better ending, but I loved
the "Okay, joke's over." :o))) ~ jan
~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~


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[Ka30P]

Bill wrote >-
>Bill, who has no Frogs or Toads. :(

Well, no wonder. They heard you bring up
http://joecartoon.atomfilms.shockwave.com/pages/frogbender/
and hopped away for dear life!
btw, it was a big hit at our house!



kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:42:15 -0500, "Bill Stock" > wrote:

>We know what REALLY HAPPENED to your poor frogs:
>http://joecartoon.atomfilms.shockwave.com/pages/frogbender/
>
OMGosh, so funny. I could have come up with a better ending, but I loved
the "Okay, joke's over." :o))) ~ jan
~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~


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[Bonnie]

Ka30P wrote:
> Bonnie wrote >I did have a problem when the toads filled my first pond
>
>>with toadlets.
>
>
> Hi Bonnie!
> Just too many? Or were the fish in the pond struggling?
>
>
> kathy :-)
> 3000 gallon pond
> 800 gallon frog bog
> home of the watergardening labradors
> zone 7 SE WA state

My first pond was around 100 gallons and the fish were
definitely struggling. The surface was covered with tiny
toadlets. We scooped and scooped and there were still
a great number left to develop into toads. The toadlets
went to a school for classroom project and to a local
garden center for bug control.

--
Bonnie
NJ

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
>
> It's been too quiet in here.
> We need some diversion.
>
> Rule of Rec.Ponds Thumb has basically been - too much frog/toad
> spawn, move it to a natural waterway.
>
> I've been googling around and found:
> http://www.sfns.org.uk/amphibingarden.htm
<snip>
> What do you think?
> Has anyone had fish deaths or fish distress from an overabundance of frog
> or toad spawn?
>
> I had a big mass of bullfrog spawn in with goldfish and koi and only saw
one
> lonely tadpole swimming around subsequent to the spawning. No fish
problems, no
> mass invasion of bullfrogs.

My frog experience usually runs like this each Spring/Summer...

1. Eww a dead frog, eww another one. Looks like they got frozen.
2. Hmm, no more frogs
3. WHY DON'T I HAVE ANY FROGS THIS YEAR!?!?!!?
4. Ooh, look at all of the frogs. Is that a toad?
5. Ooh, look...frog eggs...
6. Oh my, more frog eggs...
7. Ooh, look...tadpoles...
8. Where'd the tadpoles go?
9. Go to step 5, 3 more times.
10. Come fall, where'd all of the frogs go?

[Ka30P]

BV wrote >>9. Go to step 5, 3 more times.<<

chortle ;-)

I think I'm going to change my rule of thumb to *small* ponds can get
overwhelmed. Now what is the definition of small?
OR if fish appear stressed OR you get ammonia readings that your filter can't
correct in a day (?)


kathy :-)
3000 gallon pond
800 gallon frog bog
home of the watergardening labradors
zone 7 SE WA state

[MC]

I got probably 200 tadpoles from a friends natural pond and put them
into my Koi pond. Within 3 days, not one could be found. I didn't
realize that Koi liked tadpoles that much. Next year I guess I will
have to put them in a separate tank until they are big enough.

(Ka30P) wrote in message >...
> It's been too quiet in here.
> We need some diversion.
>
> Rule of Rec.Ponds Thumb has basically been - too much frog/toad
> spawn, move it to a natural waterway.
>
> I've been googling around and found:
> http://www.sfns.org.uk/amphibingarden.htm
>
> and it says
> "During spring, a lot of people become concerned when they see their pond
> filling up with frogspawn, thinking that it is too much for the pond to cope
> with, or that they will be ‘overrun’ with frogs. In fact, there is no such
> thing as ‘excess’ spawn. Females lay their eggs (up to 2000 each year) in a
> special jelly which gradually swells up on contact with water. Also, in a given
> pond, several frogs will often lay their spawn together in one place and it
> might appear, to our eyes, that too much has been laid. However, each female
> lays a single clump of spawn, and each pond (plus surrounding land areas) can
> support a certain number of frogs, largely depending on the quality of the
> habitat. In any case, most spawn and tadpoles perish, so only a tiny fraction
> of the eggs you see in spring will naturally survive to become adult frogs.
> Taking spawn away will not have any significant effect on overall frog numbers.
> Rather than fruitlessly removing spawn and frogs, it is better to accept that
> if you provide good habitat you are effectively inviting lots of frogs."
>
> What do you think?
> Has anyone had fish deaths or fish distress from an overabundance of frog
> or toad spawn?
>
> I had a big mass of bullfrog spawn in with goldfish and koi and only saw one
> lonely tadpole swimming around subsequent to the spawning. No fish problems, no
> mass invasion of bullfrogs.
>
> kathy :-)
> 3000 gallon pond
> 800 gallon frog bog
> home of the watergardening labradors
> zone 7 SE WA state

[Barbara2245]

~ jan JJsPond.us > wrote in message >...
> >On Mon, 15 Nov 2004 22:42:15 -0500, "Bill Stock" > wrote:
>
> >We know what REALLY HAPPENED to your poor frogs:
> >http://joecartoon.atomfilms.shockwave.com/pages/frogbender/
> >
> OMGosh, so funny. I could have come up with a better ending, but I loved
> the "Okay, joke's over." :o))) ~ jan
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
>
>
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When cleaning the pond this fall I discovered one young green frog.
Since then I have put the yard light by the pond on again and look
forward to many green frogs. When I started my first pond I found 14
green frogs under the tent as I removed it. The yard light was used
every night. The toad population will increase,too. Happy water
garedening.

[Crashj]

On or about Tue, 16 Nov 2004 12:22:06 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote something like:
<>
>1. Eww a dead frog, eww another one. Looks like they got frozen.
>2. Hmm, no more frogs
>3. WHY DON'T I HAVE ANY FROGS THIS YEAR!?!?!!?
>4. Ooh, look at all of the frogs. Is that a toad?
>5. Ooh, look...frog eggs...
>6. Oh my, more frog eggs...
>7. Ooh, look...tadpoles...
>8. Where'd the tadpoles go?
>9. Go to step 5, 3 more times.
>10. Come fall, where'd all of the frogs go?

Cue Elton John:
In the circle of life
It's the wheel of fortune
It's the leap of faith
It's the band of hope
Till we find our place
On the path unwinding
In the circle, the circle of life
--
Crashj

[Benign Vanilla]

"Ka30P" > wrote in message
...
> BV wrote >>9. Go to step 5, 3 more times.<<
>
> chortle ;-)
>
> I think I'm going to change my rule of thumb to *small* ponds can get
> overwhelmed. Now what is the definition of small?
> OR if fish appear stressed OR you get ammonia readings that your filter
can't
> correct in a day (?)
<snip>

I guess what I was trying to say in my own diluted way, is that I have never
had a problem. My filter seems to keep up just fine. I don't believe that
frogs are that much of a problem.

BV.

[Stephen M. Henning]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote:

> I guess what I was trying to say in my own diluted way, is that I have never
> had a problem. My filter seems to keep up just fine. I don't believe that
> frogs are that much of a problem.

I have to clean tadpoles off the screen protecting the discharge of my
pond. They get trapped by the suction and can't escape. They literally
drown.

[ajames54]

>
>We know what REALLY HAPPENED to your poor frogs:
>http://joecartoon.atomfilms.shockwave.com/pages/frogbender/
>
>:)

Someone should send this guy a note to change the frog into a troll. This
could be the site known as, Where to go before you answer that troll!
(Be sure and push each button in sequence.) :-) ~ jan