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Trapper
November 19th 04, 07:55 PM
Hi folks,

I'm grappling with green water, and I'm going to keep tabs on it in
this thread. Jump in with ideas, suggestions, and
what-are-you-thinking type stuff.

BACKGROUND:
My new 75 gal plant tank was clear, plants and 9 little fishies
totally flourishing, for about 2 weeks. Then the water turned quite
green in about 24 hrs. Substrate is flourite, light 260W CF. CO2
injected to pH 6.5/20ish ppm. Tank is pretty heavily planted with
stuff including dwarf chain sword, amazon sword, ludwigia repens,
eleocharis, elodea, baby's tears, 1-2 mystery plants. Dosed with
Seachem Flourish 2x in 10 days.

BACKGROUND ANALYSIS:
In the initial 2 weeks, I tested KH (2), GH (2-3), and ammonia (0).
Yesterday, 2-3 days into the bloom, I decided to test PO4 and NO3.
BIG surprise on that one:
NO3 - ZERO
PO4 - ~2ppm, almost the upper limit of my test kit.


ACTIONS TAKEN:
18 NOV: dosed NO3 to 15ppm; dosed K at ~1.5x dose (Kent's K)
19 NOV: change 10gal water (PO4-free reconstituted RO)

RESULTS:
19NOV: green water is somewhat greener; visibility 1.5 feet. Elodea,
Eleocharis, Ludwigia, and E. tenellus are pearling pretty profusely
(and seemingly more than before N/K addition.

DISCUSSION:
I found a couple resources online (including one or two at the Krib)
about appearance of green algal blooms in conditions of N and K
shortage, and P non-limitation. I had heard that NYC tapwater has a
bik P spike in it. Given my roughly 2-week history of excellent plant
growth, I began to wonder if my tank was in such a N/K-depleted state.
Testing revealed it was so.

My aim is to feed N/K for the plants, use RO-based changewater, and
eventually both reduce the P and boost plant production. I have no
physical filtration capable of physically removing the bloom.


--Trapper

Toni
November 19th 04, 08:30 PM
"Trapper" > wrote in message >
> My aim is to feed N/K for the plants, use RO-based changewater, and
> eventually both reduce the P and boost plant production. I have no
> physical filtration capable of physically removing the bloom.
>


I udersatand that you want to understand the cause and not just apply a
bandaid.
But a Diatom filter will fix you right up in about an hour.



--
Toni
http://www.cearbhaill.com/discus.htm

Rick
November 19th 04, 08:46 PM
"Trapper" > wrote in message
om...
> Hi folks,
>
> I'm grappling with green water, and I'm going to keep tabs on it in
> this thread. Jump in with ideas, suggestions, and
> what-are-you-thinking type stuff.
>
> BACKGROUND:
> My new 75 gal plant tank was clear, plants and 9 little fishies
> totally flourishing, for about 2 weeks. Then the water turned quite
> green in about 24 hrs. Substrate is flourite, light 260W CF. CO2
> injected to pH 6.5/20ish ppm. Tank is pretty heavily planted with
> stuff including dwarf chain sword, amazon sword, ludwigia repens,
> eleocharis, elodea, baby's tears, 1-2 mystery plants. Dosed with
> Seachem Flourish 2x in 10 days.
>
> BACKGROUND ANALYSIS:
> In the initial 2 weeks, I tested KH (2), GH (2-3), and ammonia (0).
> Yesterday, 2-3 days into the bloom, I decided to test PO4 and NO3.
> BIG surprise on that one:
> NO3 - ZERO
> PO4 - ~2ppm, almost the upper limit of my test kit.
>
>
> ACTIONS TAKEN:
> 18 NOV: dosed NO3 to 15ppm; dosed K at ~1.5x dose (Kent's K)
> 19 NOV: change 10gal water (PO4-free reconstituted RO)
>
> RESULTS:
> 19NOV: green water is somewhat greener; visibility 1.5 feet. Elodea,
> Eleocharis, Ludwigia, and E. tenellus are pearling pretty profusely
> (and seemingly more than before N/K addition.
>
> DISCUSSION:
> I found a couple resources online (including one or two at the Krib)
> about appearance of green algal blooms in conditions of N and K
> shortage, and P non-limitation. I had heard that NYC tapwater has a
> bik P spike in it. Given my roughly 2-week history of excellent plant
> growth, I began to wonder if my tank was in such a N/K-depleted state.
> Testing revealed it was so.
>
> My aim is to feed N/K for the plants, use RO-based changewater, and
> eventually both reduce the P and boost plant production. I have no
> physical filtration capable of physically removing the bloom.
>
>
> --Trapper


I just got through a green water bloom in the same size tank, similar set
up. My KN03 also measured zero however I stopped dosing all nutrients. I did
twice weekly 60-70% water changes and ran a diatom filter. Water is crystal
clear and I have started to add nutrients once again.

Rick