Something's wrong...

[Jon Pike]

Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just today that
on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally it's flat white.
What could this be?
TIA.

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[Happy'Cam'per]

You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be ammonia
poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your filtration is not
keeping up with the cycle. HTH
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"In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
antisymmetric,
second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was good."

"Jon Pike" > wrote in message
. 159...
> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just today that
> on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally it's flat white.
> What could this be?
> TIA.
>
> --
> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet

[Jon Pike]

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in :

>
> You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
> Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be
> ammonia poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your
> filtration is not keeping up with the cycle. HTH
> --
> "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
> antisymmetric,
> second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
> good."
>
> "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
> . 159...
>> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just today
>> that on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally it's flat
>> white. What could this be?
>> TIA.
>>
>> --
>> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet

It's a 55 gallon tank with only two fish in it that has been running for
over 4 months.


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[Happy'Cam'per]

OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats too
hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of thumb for Koi
(if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and 100 gallons each
for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5 goldfish in that tank,
certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free water, something that your
tank will never be able to give them. Either dig yourself a pond for them or
exchange them for something a tad more suitable to your tank size. They will
slowly die if you leave them in current quarters!
--
"In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
antisymmetric,
second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was good."

"Jon Pike" > wrote in message
. 159...
> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in :
>
> >
> > You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
> > Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be
> > ammonia poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your
> > filtration is not keeping up with the cycle. HTH
> > --
> > "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
> > antisymmetric,
> > second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
> > good."
> >
> > "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
> > . 159...
> >> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just today
> >> that on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally it's flat
> >> white. What could this be?
> >> TIA.
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet
>
> It's a 55 gallon tank with only two fish in it that has been running for
> over 4 months.
>
>
> --
> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet

[Jon Pike]

"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in :

>
> OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats
> too hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of
> thumb for Koi (if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and
> 100 gallons each for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5
> goldfish in that tank, certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free
> water, something that your tank will never be able to give them.
> Either dig yourself a pond for them or exchange them for something a
> tad more suitable to your tank size. They will slowly die if you leave
> them in current quarters! --
> "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
> antisymmetric,
> second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
> good."
>
> "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
> . 159...
>> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> >
>> > You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
>> > Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be
>> > ammonia poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your
>> > filtration is not keeping up with the cycle. HTH
>> > --
>> > "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>> > antisymmetric,
>> > second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>> > good."
>> >
>> > "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>> > . 159...
>> >> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just
>> >> today that on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally
>> >> it's flat white. What could this be?
>> >> TIA.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet
>>
>> It's a 55 gallon tank with only two fish in it that has been running
>> for over 4 months.

There is no ammonia in my tank.
And to say that one single koi requires a minimum of 1000 gallons is
rediculous. You don't even know how big these fish are.

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[TYNK 7]

(snipped)

>Subject: Re: Something's wrong...
>From: "Happy'Cam'per"
>Date: 12/10/2004 8:11 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats too
>hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of thumb for Koi
>(if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and 100 gallons each
>for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5 goldfish in that tank,
>certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free water, something that your
>tank will never be able to give them. Either dig yourself a pond for them or
>exchange them for something a tad more suitable to your tank size. They will
>slowly die if you leave them in current quarters!
>-

No kidding.
It makes me nuts when I see tank packages with pictures for the 5g tank with 3
Koi and 5 Goldfish in it.
It boggles my mind.

[TYNK 7]

>ubject: Re: Something's wrong...
>From: Jon Pike
>Date: 12/10/2004 8:12 AM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in :
>
>>
>> OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats
>> too hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of
>> thumb for Koi (if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and
>> 100 gallons each for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5
>> goldfish in that tank, certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free
>> water, something that your tank will never be able to give them.
>> Either dig yourself a pond for them or exchange them for something a
>> tad more suitable to your tank size. They will slowly die if you leave
>> them in current quarters! --
>> "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>> antisymmetric,
>> second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>> good."
>>
>> "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>> . 159...
>>> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>> >
>>> > You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
>>> > Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be
>>> > ammonia poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your
>>> > filtration is not keeping up with the cycle. HTH
>>> > --
>>> > "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>>> > antisymmetric,
>>> > second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>>> > good."
>>> >
>>> > "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>>> > . 159...
>>> >> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just
>>> >> today that on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally
>>> >> it's flat white. What could this be?
>>> >> TIA.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet
>>>
>>> It's a 55 gallon tank with only two fish in it that has been running
>>> for over 4 months.
>
>There is no ammonia in my tank.
>And to say that one single koi requires a minimum of 1000 gallons is
>rediculous. You don't even know how big these fish are.

It's not about what size they are at this very momemnt. You see fish grow. When
these Koi start growing out what are you going to do with them?
Happy is thinking of adult size and he knows what he's talking about when he
said it would like trying to keep a couple of Hippos in a tub.
Koi grow huge and have no business being in a home aquarium, unless of course
they're babies that are being grown out *for* the pond (or even wintering
over).

[Wiley Coyote]

"Jon Pike" > wrote in message
. 159...
> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in :
>
>>
>> OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats
>> too hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of
>> thumb for Koi (if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and
>> 100 gallons each for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5
>> goldfish in that tank, certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free
>> water, something that your tank will never be able to give them.
>> Either dig yourself a pond for them or exchange them for something a
>> tad more suitable to your tank size. They will slowly die if you leave
>> them in current quarters! --
>> "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>> antisymmetric,
>> second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>> good."
>>
>> "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>> . 159...
>>> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>> >
>>> > You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
>>> > Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be
>>> > ammonia poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your
>>> > filtration is not keeping up with the cycle. HTH
>>> > --
>>> > "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>>> > antisymmetric,
>>> > second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>>> > good."
>>> >
>>> > "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>>> > . 159...
>>> >> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just
>>> >> today that on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally
>>> >> it's flat white. What could this be?
>>> >> TIA.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet
>>>
>>> It's a 55 gallon tank with only two fish in it that has been running
>>> for over 4 months.
>
> There is no ammonia in my tank.
> And to say that one single koi requires a minimum of 1000 gallons is
> rediculous. You don't even know how big these fish are.
>
> --
> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet

ah, but IF they survive, we'll know how big they'll get...............

[Starfish]

Isn't it funny how people ask for help from this NG and tell the more
experienced people that they are wrong.....
seriously....
the advice here is VERY good....so TAKE IT!!!!!!
There are many experienced fishkeepers here happy to offer their help
Thankyou
"Jon Pike" > wrote in message
. 159...
> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in :
>
>>
>> OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats
>> too hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of
>> thumb for Koi (if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and
>> 100 gallons each for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5
>> goldfish in that tank, certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free
>> water, something that your tank will never be able to give them.
>> Either dig yourself a pond for them or exchange them for something a
>> tad more suitable to your tank size. They will slowly die if you leave
>> them in current quarters! --
>> "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>> antisymmetric,
>> second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>> good."
>>
>> "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>> . 159...
>>> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>> >
>>> > You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
>>> > Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be
>>> > ammonia poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your
>>> > filtration is not keeping up with the cycle. HTH
>>> > --
>>> > "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>>> > antisymmetric,
>>> > second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>>> > good."
>>> >
>>> > "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>>> > . 159...
>>> >> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just
>>> >> today that on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally
>>> >> it's flat white. What could this be?
>>> >> TIA.
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet
>>>
>>> It's a 55 gallon tank with only two fish in it that has been running
>>> for over 4 months.
>
> There is no ammonia in my tank.
> And to say that one single koi requires a minimum of 1000 gallons is
> rediculous. You don't even know how big these fish are.
>
> --
> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet

[Starfish]

I agree with you TYNK
It really make my blood boil to see poor fish being cramped up like that,,,
Its not like you'd keep a puppy in a shoebox.....
and we've all heard this one before:
"but they're really small...you have no idea how big they are"...
Sure they are small..BUT THEY GROW!!!! just like we grow out of our baby
clothes and cots......

when will people learn....
grrr.....
"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> (snipped)
>
>>Subject: Re: Something's wrong...
>>From: "Happy'Cam'per"
>>Date: 12/10/2004 8:11 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>
>>OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats too
>>hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of thumb for
>>Koi
>>(if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and 100 gallons each
>>for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5 goldfish in that tank,
>>certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free water, something that your
>>tank will never be able to give them. Either dig yourself a pond for them
>>or
>>exchange them for something a tad more suitable to your tank size. They
>>will
>>slowly die if you leave them in current quarters!
>>-
>
> No kidding.
> It makes me nuts when I see tank packages with pictures for the 5g tank
> with 3
> Koi and 5 Goldfish in it.
> It boggles my mind.
>

[rtk]

My teeny weeny itty bitty koi that I got a year ago are ten inches long
now. Good thing I resisted temptation and got only 6 because even that
is too many for my 2000 gallon pond.

Ruth Kazez


Starfish wrote:

> I agree with you TYNK
> It really make my blood boil to see poor fish being cramped up like that,,,
> Its not like you'd keep a puppy in a shoebox.....
> and we've all heard this one before:
> "but they're really small...you have no idea how big they are"...
> Sure they are small..BUT THEY GROW!!!! just like we grow out of our baby
> clothes and cots......
>
> when will people learn....
> grrr.....
> "TYNK 7" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> (snipped)
>>
>>> Subject: Re: Something's wrong...
>>> From: "Happy'Cam'per"
>>> Date: 12/10/2004 8:11 AM Central Standard Time
>>> Message-id: >
>>>
>>>
>>> OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats too
>>> hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of thumb
>>> for Koi
>>> (if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and 100 gallons
>>> each
>>> for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5 goldfish in that
>>> tank,
>>> certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free water, something that
>>> your
>>> tank will never be able to give them. Either dig yourself a pond for
>>> them or
>>> exchange them for something a tad more suitable to your tank size.
>>> They will
>>> slowly die if you leave them in current quarters!
>>> -
>>
>>
>> No kidding.
>> It makes me nuts when I see tank packages with pictures for the 5g
>> tank with 3
>> Koi and 5 Goldfish in it.
>> It boggles my mind.
>>
>

[MarAzul]

I've seen that too! That's when I started telling my husband (in a very loud
voice) that they get to be about 24" and it is incredibly irresponsible and
stupid to label them like that...... The walmart employee 10 feet away
didn't look very happy...

--
Mar
---------
Vet Tech student


"TYNK 7" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Something's wrong...
>>From: rtk
>>Date: 12/11/2004 5:35 AM Central Standard Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>My teeny weeny itty bitty koi that I got a year ago are ten inches long
>>now. Good thing I resisted temptation and got only 6 because even that
>>is too many for my 2000 gallon pond.
>>
>>Ruth Kazez
>
> I know this is about Koi..but I have to say when Isaw yesterday.
> Passing through WalMart's pet dept. to get cat litter...I noticed they had
> Pacu's. The sign said they only grow to 10".
> = O !!!!

[[email protected]]

they get to a certain size and then they start jumping knock the top right off the
aquarium... if they dont break the aquarium. Ingrid



















"Wiley Coyote" > wrote:

>
>"Jon Pike" > wrote in message
. 159...
>> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in :
>>
>>>
>>> OK Dude, you REALLY can't keep 2 koi in a 55 gallon tank,,,,,,thats
>>> too hilarious, kind of like keeping 2 Hippos in a bathtub. Rule of
>>> thumb for Koi (if memory serves) is 1000 Gallons for the first koi and
>>> 100 gallons each for every Koi after that. You might get away with 5
>>> goldfish in that tank, certainly not koi, they need clean ammonia free
>>> water, something that your tank will never be able to give them.
>>> Either dig yourself a pond for them or exchange them for something a
>>> tad more suitable to your tank size. They will slowly die if you leave
>>> them in current quarters! --
>>> "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>>> antisymmetric,
>>> second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>>> good."
>>>
>>> "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>>> . 159...
>>>> "Happy'Cam'per" > wrote in
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> > You forgot to add Rec.ponds to your list of crossposts!
>>>> > Go ask there for more specific answers, sounds like it could be
>>>> > ammonia poisoning, you either have too high a fishload or your
>>>> > filtration is not keeping up with the cycle. HTH
>>>> > --
>>>> > "In the beginning, God said the four-dimensional divergence of an
>>>> > antisymmetric,
>>>> > second rank tensor equals zero, and there was Light , and it was
>>>> > good."
>>>> >
>>>> > "Jon Pike" > wrote in message
>>>> > . 159...
>>>> >> Okay, one of my koi's seems to be getting sick. I noticed just
>>>> >> today that on his belly he's got reddish/brownish lumps. Normally
>>>> >> it's flat white. What could this be?
>>>> >> TIA.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet
>>>>
>>>> It's a 55 gallon tank with only two fish in it that has been running
>>>> for over 4 months.
>>
>> There is no ammonia in my tank.
>> And to say that one single koi requires a minimum of 1000 gallons is
>> rediculous. You don't even know how big these fish are.
>>
>> --
>> http://www.neopets.com/refer.phtml?username=moosespet
>
>ah, but IF they survive, we'll know how big they'll get...............
>



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