Are we the last of a dying breed?

I'll be the first one to admit that since getting back into the hobby I've spent more time on RC
than any place else.
It really is sad to see this usenet group dying since I spent many years here in the past and
had met soo many great people and their knowledge was invaluable.
I guess the world moves on:(

[Pszemol]

> wrote in message ...
> I'll be the first one to admit that since getting back into
> the hobby I've spent more time on RC than any place else.
> It really is sad to see this usenet group dying since
> I spent many years here in the past and had met soo many
> great people and their knowledge was invaluable.
> I guess the world moves on:(

Just wait until reefcentral bump up the cost for the usage and you come back here ;-)
I do not have their premium service and I see more frequently that server is
busy and I should try later or buy the commercial service version...
So do let yourself to be too dependent on that service ;-)

[Jon]

Well, usenet is really the little known gem of the internet.
So much useful information, and IMO nicer people then
web forums attract. It's just it's not as widely known about,
nor as technologically advanced as websites have become.


"Pszemol" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
...
> > I'll be the first one to admit that since getting back into
> > the hobby I've spent more time on RC than any place else.
> > It really is sad to see this usenet group dying since
> > I spent many years here in the past and had met soo many
> > great people and their knowledge was invaluable.
> > I guess the world moves on:(
>
> Just wait until reefcentral bump up the cost for the usage and you come
back here ;-)
> I do not have their premium service and I see more frequently that server
is
> busy and I should try later or buy the commercial service version...
> So do let yourself to be too dependent on that service ;-)

[Toni]

"Jon" > wrote in message
...
> Well, usenet is really the little known gem of the internet.
> So much useful information, and IMO nicer people then
> web forums attract. It's just it's not as widely known about,
> nor as technologically advanced as websites have become.
>

But every day the signal to noise ratio gets lower on Usenet- there is a lot
of junk to wade through. Witness the "Stupid Americans" thread. At least
Reef Central is moderated and kept on topic.

I frequent RC much more often than Usenet and do not view the "support
donation" as a "commercial service version" at all.
I see it as supporting a website I find crucial, and it's a bargain at that.
Fifty cents a week is nothing- double would even be cheap considering the
wealth of information.
Having Randy Holmes-Farley as my personal consultant is priceless.


--
Toni
http://www.cearbhaill.com/reef.htm



>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Just wait until reefcentral bump up the cost for the usage and you come
> back here ;-)
> > I do not have their premium service and I see more frequently that
server
> is
> > busy and I should try later or buy the commercial service version...
> > So do let yourself to be too dependent on that service ;-)
>
>
>

[WayneSallee.com]

Yea it's sad to see this newsgroup dwindle like it has. And newsgroups are so
much more efficient than RC. But when people think internet, they think web. So
many people don't seem to know that there is so much more to internet than web.

Wayne Sallee

[george]

"Jon" > wrote in message
...
> Well, usenet is really the little known gem of the internet.
> So much useful information, and IMO nicer people then
> web forums attract. It's just it's not as widely known about,
> nor as technologically advanced as websites have become.
>

But then, if you are just passing notes, how sophisticated do you need to be?

[PaulB]

Most people don't want to learn about the internet. There is a reason that
AOL has done so well. Most new internet users now are not computer
hobbyists. People don't want to learn about the internet. The first thing
people learn to use is a web browser and if they can do what they want
through that, they won't go to the trouble of learning anything else.



"Jon" > wrote in message
...
> Well, usenet is really the little known gem of the internet.
> So much useful information, and IMO nicer people then
> web forums attract. It's just it's not as widely known about,
> nor as technologically advanced as websites have become.
>
>
> "Pszemol" > wrote in message
> ...
>> > wrote in message
> ...
>> > I'll be the first one to admit that since getting back into
>> > the hobby I've spent more time on RC than any place else.
>> > It really is sad to see this usenet group dying since
>> > I spent many years here in the past and had met soo many
>> > great people and their knowledge was invaluable.
>> > I guess the world moves on:(
>>
>> Just wait until reefcentral bump up the cost for the usage and you come
> back here ;-)
>> I do not have their premium service and I see more frequently that server
> is
>> busy and I should try later or buy the commercial service version...
>> So do let yourself to be too dependent on that service ;-)
>
>
>

[Richard Hoffpauir]

Another analogy would be the use of an automobile. How many people
actually know about their car other than to put gas in it and to take
it to the service center when a dashboard light comes on? It's not a
bad thing that a segment of users don't know about the internals of
their car (or how to use anything outside of the web browser). It's
just a part of technology becoming more user friendly.

I don't think newgroups will die off entirely, especially as more
web-based newsgroup interfaces are created. Google has done a great
job with their interface for newsgroups. ...in fact, tinkering with
Google Groups is how I became interested in newsgroups a few months
ago. :-)

Richard

--
Richard Hoffpauir
Water Resources Consulting
http://www.rjhoffpauir.com


PaulB wrote:
> Most people don't want to learn about the internet. There is a
reason that
> AOL has done so well. Most new internet users now are not computer
> hobbyists. People don't want to learn about the internet. The
first thing
> people learn to use is a web browser and if they can do what they
want
> through that, they won't go to the trouble of learning anything else.
>

[WayneSallee.com]

Yep an in the same sence, it's sad how many people want to set up a tank, but
not spend much effort into learning. It amazes me how much people embrase
ignorance. People will set up a tank, and wonder why their fish are dying, but
don't want to learn what it's all about. And so many web pages these days are
written by people that don't know how to creat a good web page, and never
learned what the original purpose was for html. You know they don't know
whenever you see the words "Best when view ....." But it's sad. Newsgroups are
the most efficient way to go.

Wayne Sallee


In article >, "PaulB"
> writes:

>Most people don't want to learn about the internet. There is a reason that
>AOL has done so well. Most new internet users now are not computer
>hobbyists. People don't want to learn about the internet. The first thing
>people learn to use is a web browser and if they can do what they want
>through that, they won't go to the trouble of learning anything else.

[CapFusion]

It really depend on individual look at "efficient". GUI base like RC to some
is very efficient way of getting information without extra effort and seeing
limit junk like spamming or trolling. You and I need to admit GUI base is
getting popular. I do not think RC will have this topic "Stupid
American...." in any forum / thread [Wait of time eventhough you skip over
it].

CapFusion,...


"WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message
...
> Yep an in the same sence, it's sad how many people want to set up a tank,
> but
> not spend much effort into learning. It amazes me how much people embrase
> ignorance. People will set up a tank, and wonder why their fish are dying,
> but
> don't want to learn what it's all about. And so many web pages these days
> are
> written by people that don't know how to creat a good web page, and never
> learned what the original purpose was for html. You know they don't know
> whenever you see the words "Best when view ....." But it's sad. Newsgroups
> are
> the most efficient way to go.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>
>
> In article >, "PaulB"
> > writes:
>
>>Most people don't want to learn about the internet. There is a reason
>>that
>>AOL has done so well. Most new internet users now are not computer
>>hobbyists. People don't want to learn about the internet. The first
>>thing
>>people learn to use is a web browser and if they can do what they want
>>through that, they won't go to the trouble of learning anything else.
>
>

[CapFusion]

Ooops... BTW, you can also edit after you send in your reply, too.
Adding addition reason why GUI base is getting better.... You will get
inform by email when your thread get response by someone.

Typo -
Wait of time = > Waste of time

CapFusion,...

"CapFusion" > wrote in message
...
> It really depend on individual look at "efficient". GUI base like RC to
> some is very efficient way of getting information without extra effort and
> seeing limit junk like spamming or trolling. You and I need to admit GUI
> base is getting popular. I do not think RC will have this topic "Stupid
> American...." in any forum / thread [Wait of time eventhough you skip over
> it].
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>
> "WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yep an in the same sence, it's sad how many people want to set up a tank,
>> but
>> not spend much effort into learning. It amazes me how much people embrase
>> ignorance. People will set up a tank, and wonder why their fish are
>> dying, but
>> don't want to learn what it's all about. And so many web pages these days
>> are
>> written by people that don't know how to creat a good web page, and never
>> learned what the original purpose was for html. You know they don't know
>> whenever you see the words "Best when view ....." But it's sad.
>> Newsgroups are
>> the most efficient way to go.
>>
>> Wayne Sallee
>>
>>
>> In article >, "PaulB"
>> > writes:
>>
>>>Most people don't want to learn about the internet. There is a reason
>>>that
>>>AOL has done so well. Most new internet users now are not computer
>>>hobbyists. People don't want to learn about the internet. The first
>>>thing
>>>people learn to use is a web browser and if they can do what they want
>>>through that, they won't go to the trouble of learning anything else.
>>
>>
>
>

[WayneSallee.com]

In article >, "CapFusion"
> writes:

>You will get
>inform by email when your thread get response by someone.

I get better than that. I get the actual responce in my filing cabinet.

Wayne Sallee

[Dsybok]

In the days of broadband and multimedia etc, Usenet may have run its course.
At least for text based groups. After all, there is something to be said for
the ability to have a picture or MPG video attached to your reef specific
question, whereas here you need to provide a link.

I have been on Usenet since maybe 93 or 94 in some fashion then with a 486
25 IBM PC with a 14K modem, and I can see the benefits and downside, and the
world wide web has changed a lot since then. If bandwidth is no longer an
issue with the advent of broadband, then what purpose does a text only group
serve? People are going to naturally migrate towards a system with more
benefits, ie image hosting, and big file access, as well as streaming
multimedia.

Lets be honest, what satisfies you more, reading these posts or a 20 minute
vist to Marcs Reef site?LOL.

D

"WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message
...
> Yea it's sad to see this newsgroup dwindle like it has. And newsgroups are
so
> much more efficient than RC. But when people think internet, they think
web. So
> many people don't seem to know that there is so much more to internet than
web.
>
> Wayne Sallee
>

[Marc Levenson]

And yet some of my pages state "This page should be view in
...." as I felt the world should change from 800 x 600 to
something larger. I only did that a few times.

Btw, my site has been updated to a new host where traffic
isn't an issue. Currently the site moves 42gigs a month,
but the new host allows 80gigs of bandwidth and 2000 megs of
file space. :)

If you click on my Personal Logs, you'll see some before and
after images if you don't see the changes. ;)

I still like the newsgroup, but my schedule is so filled
with things to do for DFWMAS, MASNA and even Reef Central
that I only visit from time to time. It is nice to still
see familiar names in the list of posts.

Here's a new shot from last night of my frogspawn.
http://www.melevsreef.com/frogspawn_bubble.jpg

Marc

Dsybok wrote:
> In the days of broadband and multimedia etc, Usenet may have run its course.
> At least for text based groups. After all, there is something to be said for
> the ability to have a picture or MPG video attached to your reef specific
> question, whereas here you need to provide a link.
>
> I have been on Usenet since maybe 93 or 94 in some fashion then with a 486
> 25 IBM PC with a 14K modem, and I can see the benefits and downside, and the
> world wide web has changed a lot since then. If bandwidth is no longer an
> issue with the advent of broadband, then what purpose does a text only group
> serve? People are going to naturally migrate towards a system with more
> benefits, ie image hosting, and big file access, as well as streaming
> multimedia.
>
> Lets be honest, what satisfies you more, reading these posts or a 20 minute
> vist to Marcs Reef site?LOL.
>
> D
>
> "WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Yea it's sad to see this newsgroup dwindle like it has. And newsgroups are
>
> so
>
>>much more efficient than RC. But when people think internet, they think
>
> web. So
>
>>many people don't seem to know that there is so much more to internet than
>
> web.
>
>>Wayne Sallee

>
>
>

--
Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

[Toni]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
news:s1azd.2942>
> Here's a new shot from last night of my frogspawn.
> http://www.melevsreef.com/frogspawn_bubble.jpg
>


404 Crab comes up...


--
Toni
http://www.cearbhaill.com/reef.htm

[Dsybok]

My problem is time. I've been coming here for years, maybe 98 ot 99 I cant
remember exactly, but I also frequent half a dozen other NGs and some email
lists, online community sites, and then theres my regular surfing. So I end
up coming in every couple of weeks/months, its hard to build a rapport when
you are just passing by once a month.

I wish I had more time to devote, but 1 week a month goes to pinballs, 1
week to the reef tank, 1 week to the koi pond, 1 week to golf, 1 week to
baseball ( in season), 1 week to my Jaguars, 1 week to computer games, 1
week to..... well you get the idea, I ran outta weeks , well, weeks ago!

D

[Marc Levenson]

Oops. Left out some pertinent folders, I did. :)

http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/1204/frogspawn_bubble.jpg

Marc


Toni wrote:
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> news:s1azd.2942>
>
>>Here's a new shot from last night of my frogspawn.
>>http://www.melevsreef.com/frogspawn_bubble.jpg
>>
>
>
>
> 404 Crab comes up...
>
>

--
Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

[Toni]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> Oops. Left out some pertinent folders, I did. :)
>
> http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/1204/frogspawn_bubble.jpg
>


Much better <g>


--
Toni
http://www.cearbhaill.com/reef.htm

[CapFusion]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
> Oops. Left out some pertinent folders, I did. :)
>
> http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/1204/frogspawn_bubble.jpg
>
> Marc

Have you left out any more pertinets folder? So far, I enjoy your pertinent
pix / folder.
BTW, that crab pix look awsome. 404 pages not found with that pix will be a
nice touch.

CapFusion,...

[Marc Levenson]

I have no idea if any other folders have been left out. My
site is packed with stuff, and I've spent several days going
over the error logs to correct each item that I could.

Part of the problem is that the older site still exists and
will continue to do so as the links and images are connected
to messages in the usenet and on many message boards. I
didn't want to delete the material from all those resources,
so I've been putting in redirects on the older pages of the
previous site. There is still plenty more to do.

The new site is running very well, with very few errors
occuring. I even created a couple of files to keep the
search bots happy, and to add a nifty icon that appears if
you bookmark my site.

Marc


CapFusion wrote:


> Have you left out any more pertinets folder? So far, I enjoy your pertinent
> pix / folder.
> BTW, that crab pix look awsome. 404 pages not found with that pix will be a
> nice touch.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>

--
Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

[Billy]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
| Oops. Left out some pertinent folders, I did. :)
|


THAT...is friggin' cool. Looks almost CGI.....<g>

[CapFusion]

Marc, so far your site seem to be awsome [all around] and a great place to
get reference. I use your site to point / direct for new newbie to follow.
Keep up your great work and THANK you so much for suppling those resources.

CapFusion,...


"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
>I have no idea if any other folders have been left out. My site is packed
>with stuff, and I've spent several days going over the error logs to
>correct each item that I could.
>
> Part of the problem is that the older site still exists and will continue
> to do so as the links and images are connected to messages in the usenet
> and on many message boards. I didn't want to delete the material from all
> those resources, so I've been putting in redirects on the older pages of
> the previous site. There is still plenty more to do.
>
> The new site is running very well, with very few errors occuring. I even
> created a couple of files to keep the search bots happy, and to add a
> nifty icon that appears if you bookmark my site.
>
> Marc
>
>
> CapFusion wrote:
>
>
>> Have you left out any more pertinets folder? So far, I enjoy your
>> pertinent pix / folder.
>> BTW, that crab pix look awsome. 404 pages not found with that pix will be
>> a nice touch.
>>
>> CapFusion,...
>
> --
> Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
> Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>

[Marc Levenson]

Thanks, Cap. That is very kind of you, and a heck of a
compliment.

Marc


CapFusion wrote:
> Marc, so far your site seem to be awsome [all around] and a great place to
> get reference. I use your site to point / direct for new newbie to follow.
> Keep up your great work and THANK you so much for suppling those resources.
>
> CapFusion,...
>
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>I have no idea if any other folders have been left out. My site is packed
>>with stuff, and I've spent several days going over the error logs to
>>correct each item that I could.
>>
>>Part of the problem is that the older site still exists and will continue
>>to do so as the links and images are connected to messages in the usenet
>>and on many message boards. I didn't want to delete the material from all
>>those resources, so I've been putting in redirects on the older pages of
>>the previous site. There is still plenty more to do.
>>
>>The new site is running very well, with very few errors occuring. I even
>>created a couple of files to keep the search bots happy, and to add a
>>nifty icon that appears if you bookmark my site.
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>CapFusion wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Have you left out any more pertinets folder? So far, I enjoy your
>>>pertinent pix / folder.
>>>BTW, that crab pix look awsome. 404 pages not found with that pix will be
>>>a nice touch.
>>>
>>>CapFusion,...
>>
>>--
>>Personal Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
>>Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
>>Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>>
>
>
>

--
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http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

[Marc Levenson]

What the heck are you guys seeing? :)

Marc


Billy wrote:

> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> m...
> | Oops. Left out some pertinent folders, I did. :)
> |
>
>
> THAT...is friggin' cool. Looks almost CGI.....<g>
>
>

--
Personal Page:
http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com/oanda/index.html
Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com

[Billy]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
| What the heck are you guys seeing? :)
|


Green-tinged photo of a -something- (i'm very new to corals and the
like) surrounded by tubeworms and such.

I posted it to .binaries, just in case there *is* a problem.

[Billy]

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
|
|
| Green-tinged photo of a -something- (i'm very new to corals and the
| like) surrounded by tubeworms and such.
|
| I posted it to .binaries, just in case there *is* a problem.
|
|

alt.binaries.aquaria, to be specific. Sorry, I do most of my NG'ing
on small, private servers. <g>

[Marc Levenson]

Ah. Okay, just wanted to make sure things were working. I
replied over there. a.b.a. tends to only give me a very
small number of posts, usually leaving that ng empty of new
content. I'm sure my ISP has something to do with that.

Marc


Billy wrote:

> "Billy" > wrote in message
> ...
> |
> |
> | Green-tinged photo of a -something- (i'm very new to corals and the
> | like) surrounded by tubeworms and such.
> |
> | I posted it to .binaries, just in case there *is* a problem.
> |
> |
>
> alt.binaries.aquaria, to be specific. Sorry, I do most of my NG'ing
> on small, private servers. <g>
>
>

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[Billy]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
...

| content. I'm sure my ISP has something to do with that.


Yep. My previous ISP (earthlink) dumped all binaries groups after 4
days!! My current one (Comcast) seems to keep them forever.

[WayneSallee.com]

Aol has recently gotten bad about droping posts :-( I guess that's another
point for reefs. Bummer.

Newsgroups when working right are just so much more efficient, but then when
they don't work, what good are they :-(

Wayne Sallee

[Pszemol]

"WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message ...
> Aol has recently gotten bad about droping posts :-( I guess that's another
> point for reefs. Bummer.
>
> Newsgroups when working right are just so much more efficient, but then when
> they don't work, what good are they :-(

Aol is not the only newsgroups server out there...
If aol is neglecting their dutes, why do you pay them ?
I am using free newsgroup servers and there is no reason for complain.
Get rid of aol and get a real internet service provider!

[WayneSallee.com]

I just got the following notice :

***********************************
Subject: Note: The AOL Newsgroup service will be discontinued in early
2005.
From: (BoardsAdmin)
Date: 6 Dec 2004 12:00:00 GMT

Please Note: The AOL Newsgroup service will be discontinued in early 2005.


For members using AOL over a dial-up connection, you will no longer be able to
access Newsgroups. If you have a separate high-speed connection, you can
contact your broadband provider to see if they offer Newsgroups. Newsgroup
services can often be accessed through a third party reader, such as Mozilla
Thunderbird (http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/).

Alternatively, you can access Newsgroups via Google at
http://groups.google.com/.

We apologize for this inconvenience. ------------------- Headers
--------------------Path: tndist02!not-for-mailFrom:
(BoardsAdmin)Subject: Note: The AOL Newsgroup service will be discontinued in
early 2005.Date: 6 Dec 2004 12:00:00 GMTOrganization: AOL
htp://www.aol.comMessageId: >

************************************

I'm downloadint Moziala now.

What newsgroup provider do you use?

Wayne Sallee



In article >, "Pszemol" >
writes:

>Subject: Re: Are we the last of a dying breed?
>From: "Pszemol" >
>Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2005 07:52:18 -0600
>
>"WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message
...
>> Aol has recently gotten bad about droping posts :-( I guess that's another
>> point for reefs. Bummer.
>>
>> Newsgroups when working right are just so much more efficient, but then
>when
>> they don't work, what good are they :-(
>
>Aol is not the only newsgroups server out there...
>If aol is neglecting their dutes, why do you pay them ?
>I am using free newsgroup servers and there is no reason for complain.
>Get rid of aol and get a real internet service provider!
>
>

[Pszemol]

"WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message ...
> What newsgroup provider do you use?

I am using several newsgroup servers and mix their
content using a software on my local machine to
make a complete newsgroup solution for myself...
It is quite complicate to duplicate exactly what
I am using - especially when several servers are
foreign language ones...

My point was: there are free newsservers out there.
Use www.google.com and find one for yourself.
If you do not find one - I can show you how to use
some foreign ones which provide English language
groups.

[WayneSallee.com]

I have used google, but I don't like using a web based provider. I want my
newsgroups to download into my computer.

You don't use any US providers?

Wayne Sallee

[Pszemol]

"WayneSallee.com" > wrote in message ...
> I have used google, but I don't like using a web based provider.
> I want my newsgroups to download into my computer.
>
> You don't use any US providers?

I use SBC Yahoo DSL and they provide me with news.chi.sbcglobal.net
newsserver... And every good ISP will have some newsserver available.
Except infamous AOL! I mix the content of many newservers because
neither one of them has all groups and all posts on the given group.

Never deal with AOL. Anything else is better than AOL.

[Leftovers]

WayneSallee.com wrote:
> I have used google, but I don't like using a web based provider. I want my
> newsgroups to download into my computer.
>
> You don't use any US providers?
>
> Wayne Sallee
>


a paid service is http://www.giganews.com

they are one of the best providers but it does come at a cost, 12$ a
month ...but...you get complete unfettered unfiltered usnet access