Lumpy goldfish

[George Thompson]

My 3yr old comet is looking a little worse for wear these days.
Having survived everything I threw at him as a tiddler.

Unfortunately he developed a large tumour on his head about six months
ago. I've not been too worried as he seems happy and healthy, but
recently things have changed.

I brought them in from the pond about three months ago as the weather
started to turn. Initially my goldfish got spooked from going from a
nice big pond into a 20gallon tank with little/no decoration. Shortly
after his move, he jumped from the tank, down the side of the desk. I
rescued him and he'd only knocked a couple of scales off.

Three months later, I'm touring asia and my parents who were looking
after him said "he's got some lumps appearing". Hoping this was just
sexual maturity, I crossed my fingers. He does have a small lump
between his front 'flipper' and the ones under his belly, which is
definately growing. On his other side he's lost lots of scales and
today I've noticed several new lumps forming.

I had a fish die about this time last year from columanris. Although
there's no break in the skin, is this likely to be the problem? The
quicker the result the better.

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Well you've not told us how many fish are in the 20 gallon, whether
you have a filter, if you treat the water, how often and how much water
you change and the ammonia, nitrite and nitrate levels. IF you can
give us these we may be able to assist!

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hard lumps are tumors, not much you can do about them.
soft lumps are infections, bacterial and the fish needs antibiotics, either in food
or injection, or both. do the lumps rupture?
tumors are naturally occurring, they can also be caused by certain medications that
are tumorigenic. Ingrid

(George Thompson) wrote:

>My 3yr old comet is looking a little worse for wear these days.
>Having survived everything I threw at him as a tiddler.
>
>Unfortunately he developed a large tumour on his head about six months
>ago. I've not been too worried as he seems happy and healthy, but
>recently things have changed.
>
>I brought them in from the pond about three months ago as the weather
>started to turn. Initially my goldfish got spooked from going from a
>nice big pond into a 20gallon tank with little/no decoration. Shortly
>after his move, he jumped from the tank, down the side of the desk. I
>rescued him and he'd only knocked a couple of scales off.
>
>Three months later, I'm touring asia and my parents who were looking
>after him said "he's got some lumps appearing". Hoping this was just
>sexual maturity, I crossed my fingers. He does have a small lump
>between his front 'flipper' and the ones under his belly, which is
>definately growing. On his other side he's lost lots of scales and
>today I've noticed several new lumps forming.
>
>I had a fish die about this time last year from columanris. Although
>there's no break in the skin, is this likely to be the problem? The
>quicker the result the better.



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OK - two fish in twenty gallons (6" each if we count the tail). Water
is changed on a weekly basis and the water is a 0ppm on ammonia,
nitrates and nitrites have been stable but high - nothing I can do in
this kind of water area, very agricultrial and I have plenty of plants
to try and absorb this.

Three months ago they moved home and recently whilst I was in Asia (3
weeks ago) my parents replaced my filters with a fluval 2+, which they
only rang alongside the other filter for a couple of days under
instruction from the fish people (I was really annoyed about that...)
The filter material seems to be well populated and is breaking stuff
down though.

As for the tumours, I've not pulled him out to feel him yet, and in my
current state of illness might cause him more harm, I'll leave that
till tomorrow. I've not noticed any ruptures but the lumps look almost
compacted cotton wool and sit more or less dead center of the scales.
The older lump is hudge but hasn't changed much. Poor old thing is
looking a bit manky, but happy (still picking at the sand and eager as
ever to stuff his face and waggle his fins).

Should I start adding salt? - there is currently none in the tank since
I pulled them out the pond.

Antibiotics are bloody hard to get in the UK - most of them require the
patient to be brought into the vets for a diagnosis beforehand. Vet
has OK'd me to bring in the fish, but it's a lot of hassle on my part
and a single syringe is around 14USD - anyone out there willing to send
me some over for a paypal payment?

wrote:
> hard lumps are tumors, not much you can do about them.
> soft lumps are infections, bacterial and the fish needs antibiotics,
either in food
> or injection, or both. do the lumps rupture?
> tumors are naturally occurring, they can also be caused by certain
medications that
> are tumorigenic. Ingrid
>
> (George Thompson) wrote:
>
> >My 3yr old comet is looking a little worse for wear these days.
> >Having survived everything I threw at him as a tiddler.
> >
> >Unfortunately he developed a large tumour on his head about six
months
> >ago. I've not been too worried as he seems happy and healthy, but
> >recently things have changed.
> >
> >I brought them in from the pond about three months ago as the
weather
> >started to turn. Initially my goldfish got spooked from going from
a
> >nice big pond into a 20gallon tank with little/no decoration.
Shortly
> >after his move, he jumped from the tank, down the side of the desk.
I
> >rescued him and he'd only knocked a couple of scales off.
> >
> >Three months later, I'm touring asia and my parents who were looking
> >after him said "he's got some lumps appearing". Hoping this was
just
> >sexual maturity, I crossed my fingers. He does have a small lump
> >between his front 'flipper' and the ones under his belly, which is
> >definately growing. On his other side he's lost lots of scales and
> >today I've noticed several new lumps forming.
> >
> >I had a fish die about this time last year from columanris.
Although
> >there's no break in the skin, is this likely to be the problem? The
> >quicker the result the better.
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

OK - two fish in twenty gallons (6" each if we count the tail). Water
is changed on a weekly basis and the water is a 0ppm on ammonia,
nitrates and nitrites have been stable but high - nothing I can do in
this kind of water area, very agricultrial and I have plenty of plants
to try and absorb this.

Three months ago they moved home and recently whilst I was in Asia (3
weeks ago) my parents replaced my filters with a fluval 2+, which they
only rang alongside the other filter for a couple of days under
instruction from the fish people (I was really annoyed about that...)
The filter material seems to be well populated and is breaking stuff
down though.

As for the tumours, I've not pulled him out to feel him yet, and in my
current state of illness might cause him more harm, I'll leave that
till tomorrow. I've not noticed any ruptures but the lumps look almost
compacted cotton wool and sit more or less dead center of the scales.
The older lump is hudge but hasn't changed much. Poor old thing is
looking a bit manky, but happy (still picking at the sand and eager as
ever to stuff his face and waggle his fins).

Should I start adding salt? - there is currently none in the tank since
I pulled them out the pond.

Antibiotics are bloody hard to get in the UK - most of them require the
patient to be brought into the vets for a diagnosis beforehand. Vet
has OK'd me to bring in the fish, but it's a lot of hassle on my part
and a single syringe is around 14USD - anyone out there willing to send
me some over for a paypal payment?

wrote:
> hard lumps are tumors, not much you can do about them.
> soft lumps are infections, bacterial and the fish needs antibiotics,
either in food
> or injection, or both. do the lumps rupture?
> tumors are naturally occurring, they can also be caused by certain
medications that
> are tumorigenic. Ingrid
>
> (George Thompson) wrote:
>
> >My 3yr old comet is looking a little worse for wear these days.
> >Having survived everything I threw at him as a tiddler.
> >
> >Unfortunately he developed a large tumour on his head about six
months
> >ago. I've not been too worried as he seems happy and healthy, but
> >recently things have changed.
> >
> >I brought them in from the pond about three months ago as the
weather
> >started to turn. Initially my goldfish got spooked from going from
a
> >nice big pond into a 20gallon tank with little/no decoration.
Shortly
> >after his move, he jumped from the tank, down the side of the desk.
I
> >rescued him and he'd only knocked a couple of scales off.
> >
> >Three months later, I'm touring asia and my parents who were looking
> >after him said "he's got some lumps appearing". Hoping this was
just
> >sexual maturity, I crossed my fingers. He does have a small lump
> >between his front 'flipper' and the ones under his belly, which is
> >definately growing. On his other side he's lost lots of scales and
> >today I've noticed several new lumps forming.
> >
> >I had a fish die about this time last year from columanris.
Although
> >there's no break in the skin, is this likely to be the problem? The
> >quicker the result the better.
>
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

sounds like it could be columnaris.
http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/disease/treatment/trtmnt.htm#POTASSIUM
yes, Add 1 teaspoon of salt per 5 gallons. This can be increased to 3 teas. per 5
over a few days. Use rock salt with no additives. but PP can treat this kind of
external columnaris, you will need antibiotic food to treat the internal.
try ordering some kanamycin online... maybe it will sail thru customs, then make your
own antibiotic fish food. the best is laying your hands on oxolinic acid and making
food outta that. Ingrid

wrote:
>As for the tumours, I've not pulled him out to feel him yet,
.. I've not noticed any ruptures but the lumps look almost
>compacted cotton wool and sit more or less dead center of the scales.
>Should I start adding salt? - there is currently none in the tank since
>I pulled them out the pond.
>Antibiotics are bloody hard to get in the UK -


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Craig]

possibly carp pox, a completly harmless ailment, like acne for fish, i
have a couple of goldfish with it. i assume he fish died from stress of
the move (i too have lost fish after a pond to tank move )

carp pox are however a soft lump, like nipples (bad analogy, but they
are of similar design)

just hope it doesnt happen again



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