Re: The Use of Salt in Aquaculture

[[email protected]]

I dont call you any names Tom. I said the phone call is a lie, a fabrication.
It is like the long period of time you insisted I didnt have a PhD, or that the
Puregold list was run out of Marquette, or that I promoted Jo Ann because I was
financially rewarded. All lies, all fabrications.
Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another "local fish
store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is she is a licensed
diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
she did graduate course work to obtain the license. She is invited back to Florida
to do presentations on GF at conferences. She is a real expert, one who not only has
done the course work but also run a successful business for 25-30 years, the acid
test if nothing else. And on top off all that, she has provided help to thousands of
people all over the world with their sick fish and done so FOR FREE.
Tom, instead of attacking me use your time helping other people. Ingrid

"Tom L. La Bron" > wrote:
>You can call me all the names in the world like you have in the past, but
>that doesn't change the fact that just because Jo Ann took a couple of
>courses with anyone has made an her expert or more knowledgealbe than others
>in the field,


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[Tom L. La Bron]

Sorry folks for the cross reference of this message, but Ingrid did this and
I am only responding to her remarks.


Ingrid,

I have every email where you have called me a name or maligned me in one way
or another archived. I also have all the messages that maligned Doc Johnson
archived also.

What phone call are you calling a fabrication? You should be careful when
tell people they are liars about things you know nothing about.

I have never personally or professionally cared one way or another where you
silly list is ran out of and if I was really concerned I would have tracked
the ISP.

I personally can never remember ever denying you PhD (others may have), in
fact, early on, I checked your credentials with your University a long, long
time ago, so I have absolutely no reason to have ever questioned you PhD.

As far as the promotion of Jo Ann for financial reward is concerned, this
was something that you fabricated in one of your wild episodes. Some else
accused you of this, and it wasn't me. So you need to get your story
straight as who is doing what to whom. Most of this episode stemmed from
the fact that it was implied that you got your special food cheaper from Jo
Ann than she was selling to everyone else. This is when Jo Ann was telling
a lot of people that only business people could purchase Biokyowa, which was
not true, anyone that wanted to purchase it either in one pound or 20 kg
boxes could get it. Here again, it was someone else that suggested with
your pushing of this food that you must be getting a discount, which by the
way was not me.

As far as Jo Ann's diagnostician credentials are concerned another person on
this list showed and received the same designation with no trouble at all.
Most states require only two courses and the passing of a simple test to
receive this "designation." So what is the big deal if anyone can get it.
Also, she was allowed to be in graduate classes, but that in no way means
that she did Graduate work. Two classes do not make Graduate work for a
student, you should know that.

As I have said before, I have 45 (almost 50 years) years of experience, and
have bred, raised and have been recognized for my Goldfish, so I think the
proof is in that pudding. There is a lot more effort involved in breeding
and raising show quality fish than purchasing them from an overseas
supplier.

As far as attacking you, if you will go back and check when I have said
something it is usually when you have said that Jo Ann developed this or Jo
Ann discovered this, especially when it has been written up in Aquaculture
literature for years past. The last one where you have done this is the
hydrogen peroxide dips. This has been used in the aquaculture community for
the past 30 years, so to say that she discovered or developed it is a bunch
of horse pucky. In any event, I think you will find that I very seldom ever
refute any of your medication advice to any one on any list. I don't live
on these lists and because of my area where I live the posting of the
messages to the newsgroup is not necessarily timely, sometimes it lags as
much as a day to two days, so when you suggest a course of action, I very
seldom ever refute, although, I may not necessarily agree with it, what you
have suggested for a remedy, because I figure there is no reason to confuse
the issue with a different technique.

Also, you will find that there have been a few instances when I disagree
with you on certain subjects, but you view this disagreement as an attack
virtually every single time even when my comments are fully documented.
What ever happened to agree to disagree. A good example is when you were
touting high protein feeds on rec.ponds and you referenced a professor from
Canada (which in itself was a strange happening, because you never give
references, except maybe Jo Ann), but I pointed out that the professor was
salmon and trout expert an in no way did your reference apply to Goldfish or
KOI, so it had little to do support you premise that High proteins were
needed for KOI and Goldfish and was only relevant if you were raising Salmon
or Trout. Your attitude has always seemed to be if you say it is true,
which, of course, is not true.

As far as helping people go, I help a lot of people, but I don't go
advertising it, I usually do it privately when someone ask specifically for
alternate help, especially when you have gotten ****ed off at them and have
shunned them because they may have questioned what you that told them so you
stop trying to help them because they have questioned your technique.

What I have often found interesting is that when I first met you on the
Goldfish list I actually thought we were going to be good friends. Of
course, that fell by the way side very quickly, when you started making sure
that everyone knew you were a microbiologist professor at a university and
that you seemed to know everything, although at that time you had only been
keeping Goldfish for about a year or two, but you knew Jo Ann, who at that
time have not taken her two courses and had not received her designation,
and was additionally interesting was that you have never done any
microbiologist research with Goldfish, using the excuse that the university
would not allow it.

So any event, one of these days you will realize that there are many people
out here to have experience and what you say is not the end all of how
things can be done. It is a too bad that you are always at odds with me.

In any event, since you seem to be talking to me I hope you have a great
holiday and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.

Tom L.L.
-----------------------------------------------------

> wrote in message
...
>I dont call you any names Tom. I said the phone call is a lie, a
>fabrication.
> It is like the long period of time you insisted I didnt have a PhD, or
> that the
> Puregold list was run out of Marquette, or that I promoted Jo Ann because
> I was
> financially rewarded. All lies, all fabrications.
> Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another
> "local fish
> store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is she is
> a licensed
> diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
> she did graduate course work to obtain the license. She is invited back
> to Florida
> to do presentations on GF at conferences. She is a real expert, one who
> not only has
> done the course work but also run a successful business for 25-30 years,
> the acid
> test if nothing else. And on top off all that, she has provided help to
> thousands of
> people all over the world with their sick fish and done so FOR FREE.
> Tom, instead of attacking me use your time helping other people. Ingrid
>

[[email protected]]

Use your energy helping people rather than attacking me. Ingrid


"Tom L. La Bron" > wrote:
there is no reason to confuse



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Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[Donald K]

Tom L. La Bron wrote:

> I have every email where you have called me a name or maligned me in
> one way or another archived.

Ya know, that sounds just a bit obsessive Tom...

If I kept every usenet message that flamed me or called me a name it
would be a pretty large folder. But then again, this is usenet, so it's
part of the fun...

So, go ahead and open another volume labled "kernsd" make sure it's well
cross-referenced and properly annotated. Ask nicely and I'll give you a
real doozy to start off with.

Meanwhile, _I'm_ gonna get on with my life, care for my fish and
celibrate the holidays...

Merry Christmas everybody!

-Donald
--
Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea--massive,
difficult to redirect, awe-inspiring, entertaining, and a source of
mind-boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it.
-Gene Spafford

[Crashj]

On or about Fri, 24 Dec 2004 00:01:52 -0600, "Tom L. La Bron"
> wrote something like:
<>
>Ingrid,
>I have every email where you have called me a name or maligned me in one way
>or another archived. I also have all the messages that maligned Doc Johnson
>archived also.
<>
"What is 'google'?"
"I'll take 'Endless Threads' for $100."
--
Crashj

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:30:46 GMT, Crashj > wrote:

>"What is 'google'?"
>"I'll take 'Endless Threads' for $100."

Under above heading:

Troll Bait.


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Kay]

Tom,
I have no idea what has happned in the past. But your fish advice is
sound and makes sense to me.

I think that NGs get to be like Grade shcool and people have egos then
all of a sudden , some posters expect other poster to follow them as if
they are the only ones with answers. I think its an Ego thing , not a
money making thing.

I have had people try and tell me false things about you and your
business practices, you know who you are and you know what you told me
on the phone about Toms stock and I know it was a total lie and slander.


I always will hold out hope that the NGs I am in will look at all sides
of an issue and not blindly follow someone just because people don't
feel like researching the advice they get.

I have been in a Fish Society Club now for awhile. I have been so lucky
to meet breeders that have bred fish including goldfish for over 30
years. And I print out some of the advice here it sometimes gives them a
good chuckle.

Any advice from a NG should be researched and examined and questioned.
Anyone giving adivice should welcome debate and investagation, if they
get mad well then they might have something to hide.

Kay

[Lilly]

Right. Just because *YOU* write it on *YOUR* web page makes it so. Uh
hum.

It's time to put up or shut up. GIVE US PROOF that would/could stand up
in court.

Lilly

wrote:

> Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another
"local fish
> store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is
she is a licensed
> diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
> she did graduate course work to obtain the license.

[[email protected]]

call her and ask. 251-649-4790. She gets calls from all over the world asking for
help with sick fish. Ingrid

"Lilly" > wrote:

>Right. Just because *YOU* write it on *YOUR* web page makes it so. Uh
>hum.
>
>It's time to put up or shut up. GIVE US PROOF that would/could stand up
>in court.
>
>Lilly
>
wrote:
>
>> Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another
>"local fish
>> store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is
>she is a licensed
>> diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
>> she did graduate course work to obtain the license.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[[email protected]]

first I would like to see proof that you exist on your website. Ingrid

"Lilly" > wrote:

>Right. Just because *YOU* write it on *YOUR* web page makes it so. Uh
>hum.
>
>It's time to put up or shut up. GIVE US PROOF that would/could stand up
>in court.
>
>Lilly
>
wrote:
>
>> Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another
>"local fish
>> store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is
>she is a licensed
>> diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
>> she did graduate course work to obtain the license.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
http://puregold.aquaria.net/
www.drsolo.com
Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
endorsements or recommendations I make.

[~ Windsong ~]

> wrote in message
...
> call her and ask. 251-649-4790. She gets calls from all over the world
asking for
> help with sick fish. Ingrid
===========================
And sometimes the blind lead the blind.......
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

LOL! I'm quite sure usenet as all a matter of my imagination, none of us is
real. ;o) ~ jan

>On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 01:01:26 GMT, wrote:

>first I would like to see proof that you exist on your website. Ingrid
>
>"Lilly" > wrote:
>
>>Right. Just because *YOU* write it on *YOUR* web page makes it so. Uh
>>hum.
>>
>>It's time to put up or shut up. GIVE US PROOF that would/could stand up
>>in court.
>>
>>Lilly
>>
wrote:
>>
>>> Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another
>>"local fish
>>> store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is
>>she is a licensed
>>> diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
>>> she did graduate course work to obtain the license.
>
>
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
>http://puregold.aquaria.net/
>www.drsolo.com
>Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
>compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
>endorsements or recommendations I make.

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Lilly]

Ask her? That amounts to the same thing as a blurb on your web page.
Just because one says it is so, does not make it so. All it proves is
that she has a phone and a number to go with it.

Let me be more specific. If someone were to ask you about your
credentials, you would be able to pony up a few diplomas from various
colleges and universities, correct? Why is it then, that I have never
seen a copy of her license, or anything resembling anything from a
state or federal government, or a "sheep skin" from an institution of
learning. It's not like this is a new theme on the NGs. If it were
true, and it were me defending myself, I'd have provided the proof long
ago.

Put up, or shut up.

Lilly

wrote:
> call her and ask. 251-649-4790. She gets calls from all over the
world asking for
> help with sick fish. Ingrid

[Lilly]

Sorry. I don't have to prove anything. I'm not making any claims of
expertise, of of having degrees, or licenses.

Lilly

wrote:
> first I would like to see proof that you exist on your website.
Ingrid

[Huey Conway]

Aw lilly, can't you let her dream on, in her imaginary world. And
besides if its on the internet it must be true!

Now lets al go out and salt our ponds........enough salt will also
keep it from freezing........just look at all the potential salt has
for ponds.........me I prefer the salt on my mashed potatoes, and my
tomatoe sandwhiches.

On 1 Jan 2005 09:42:34 -0800, "Lilly" >
wrote:

>===<>Sorry. I don't have to prove anything. I'm not making any claims of
>===<>expertise, of of having degrees, or licenses.
>===<>
>===<>Lilly
>===<>
wrote:
>===<>> first I would like to see proof that you exist on your website.
>===<>Ingrid

[Benign Vanilla]

"Huey Conway" > wrote in message
...
> Aw lilly, can't you let her dream on, in her imaginary world. And
> besides if its on the internet it must be true!
>
> Now lets al go out and salt our ponds........enough salt will also
> keep it from freezing........just look at all the potential salt has
> for ponds.........me I prefer the salt on my mashed potatoes, and my
> tomatoe sandwhiches.

I think as a New Years resolution, I will top discussing the topic of Salt,
and go with pepper instead.


--
BV
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Check out the IHMP forums, ihmp.net/phpbb
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[jedi]

Can you guys get a room?

"Tom L. La Bron" > wrote in message
...
> Sorry folks for the cross reference of this message, but Ingrid did this
and
> I am only responding to her remarks.
>
>
> Ingrid,
>
> I have every email where you have called me a name or maligned me in one
way
> or another archived. I also have all the messages that maligned Doc
Johnson
> archived also.
>
> What phone call are you calling a fabrication? You should be careful when
> tell people they are liars about things you know nothing about.
>
> I have never personally or professionally cared one way or another where
you
> silly list is ran out of and if I was really concerned I would have
tracked
> the ISP.
>
> I personally can never remember ever denying you PhD (others may have), in
> fact, early on, I checked your credentials with your University a long,
long
> time ago, so I have absolutely no reason to have ever questioned you PhD.
>
> As far as the promotion of Jo Ann for financial reward is concerned,
this
> was something that you fabricated in one of your wild episodes. Some else
> accused you of this, and it wasn't me. So you need to get your story
> straight as who is doing what to whom. Most of this episode stemmed from
> the fact that it was implied that you got your special food cheaper from
Jo
> Ann than she was selling to everyone else. This is when Jo Ann was
telling
> a lot of people that only business people could purchase Biokyowa, which
was
> not true, anyone that wanted to purchase it either in one pound or 20 kg
> boxes could get it. Here again, it was someone else that suggested with
> your pushing of this food that you must be getting a discount, which by
the
> way was not me.
>
> As far as Jo Ann's diagnostician credentials are concerned another person
on
> this list showed and received the same designation with no trouble at all.
> Most states require only two courses and the passing of a simple test to
> receive this "designation." So what is the big deal if anyone can get it.
> Also, she was allowed to be in graduate classes, but that in no way means
> that she did Graduate work. Two classes do not make Graduate work for a
> student, you should know that.
>
> As I have said before, I have 45 (almost 50 years) years of experience,
and
> have bred, raised and have been recognized for my Goldfish, so I think the
> proof is in that pudding. There is a lot more effort involved in breeding
> and raising show quality fish than purchasing them from an overseas
> supplier.
>
> As far as attacking you, if you will go back and check when I have said
> something it is usually when you have said that Jo Ann developed this or
Jo
> Ann discovered this, especially when it has been written up in Aquaculture
> literature for years past. The last one where you have done this is the
> hydrogen peroxide dips. This has been used in the aquaculture community
for
> the past 30 years, so to say that she discovered or developed it is a
bunch
> of horse pucky. In any event, I think you will find that I very seldom
ever
> refute any of your medication advice to any one on any list. I don't live
> on these lists and because of my area where I live the posting of the
> messages to the newsgroup is not necessarily timely, sometimes it lags as
> much as a day to two days, so when you suggest a course of action, I very
> seldom ever refute, although, I may not necessarily agree with it, what
you
> have suggested for a remedy, because I figure there is no reason to
confuse
> the issue with a different technique.
>
> Also, you will find that there have been a few instances when I disagree
> with you on certain subjects, but you view this disagreement as an attack
> virtually every single time even when my comments are fully documented.
> What ever happened to agree to disagree. A good example is when you were
> touting high protein feeds on rec.ponds and you referenced a professor
from
> Canada (which in itself was a strange happening, because you never give
> references, except maybe Jo Ann), but I pointed out that the professor was
> salmon and trout expert an in no way did your reference apply to Goldfish
or
> KOI, so it had little to do support you premise that High proteins were
> needed for KOI and Goldfish and was only relevant if you were raising
Salmon
> or Trout. Your attitude has always seemed to be if you say it is true,
> which, of course, is not true.
>
> As far as helping people go, I help a lot of people, but I don't go
> advertising it, I usually do it privately when someone ask specifically
for
> alternate help, especially when you have gotten ****ed off at them and
have
> shunned them because they may have questioned what you that told them so
you
> stop trying to help them because they have questioned your technique.
>
> What I have often found interesting is that when I first met you on the
> Goldfish list I actually thought we were going to be good friends. Of
> course, that fell by the way side very quickly, when you started making
sure
> that everyone knew you were a microbiologist professor at a university and
> that you seemed to know everything, although at that time you had only
been
> keeping Goldfish for about a year or two, but you knew Jo Ann, who at that
> time have not taken her two courses and had not received her designation,
> and was additionally interesting was that you have never done any
> microbiologist research with Goldfish, using the excuse that the
university
> would not allow it.
>
> So any event, one of these days you will realize that there are many
people
> out here to have experience and what you say is not the end all of how
> things can be done. It is a too bad that you are always at odds with me.
>
> In any event, since you seem to be talking to me I hope you have a great
> holiday and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
>
> Tom L.L.
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >I dont call you any names Tom. I said the phone call is a lie, a
> >fabrication.
> > It is like the long period of time you insisted I didnt have a PhD, or
> > that the
> > Puregold list was run out of Marquette, or that I promoted Jo Ann
because
> > I was
> > financially rewarded. All lies, all fabrications.
> > Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another
> > "local fish
> > store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is she
is
> > a licensed
> > diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
> > she did graduate course work to obtain the license. She is invited back
> > to Florida
> > to do presentations on GF at conferences. She is a real expert, one who
> > not only has
> > done the course work but also run a successful business for 25-30 years,
> > the acid
> > test if nothing else. And on top off all that, she has provided help to
> > thousands of
> > people all over the world with their sick fish and done so FOR FREE.
> > Tom, instead of attacking me use your time helping other people. Ingrid
> >
>
>

[JeDi]

Keep on stirring JEDI .............the longer it is simmering the
better it usually gets! Oh, your just one of those complulsive
response posters, that just has to get your dog in a fight........I
understand perfectly well now.......

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 14:18:41 -0500, "jedi" >
wrote:

>===<>Can you guys get a room?
>===<>
>===<>"Tom L. La Bron" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> Sorry folks for the cross reference of this message, but Ingrid did this
>===<>and
>===<>> I am only responding to her remarks.
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>> Ingrid,
>===<>>
>===<>> I have every email where you have called me a name or maligned me in one
>===<>way
>===<>> or another archived. I also have all the messages that maligned Doc
>===<>Johnson
>===<>> archived also.
>===<>>
>===<>> What phone call are you calling a fabrication? You should be careful when
>===<>> tell people they are liars about things you know nothing about.
>===<>>
>===<>> I have never personally or professionally cared one way or another where
>===<>you
>===<>> silly list is ran out of and if I was really concerned I would have
>===<>tracked
>===<>> the ISP.
>===<>>
>===<>> I personally can never remember ever denying you PhD (others may have), in
>===<>> fact, early on, I checked your credentials with your University a long,
>===<>long
>===<>> time ago, so I have absolutely no reason to have ever questioned you PhD.
>===<>>
>===<>> As far as the promotion of Jo Ann for financial reward is concerned,
>===<>this
>===<>> was something that you fabricated in one of your wild episodes. Some else
>===<>> accused you of this, and it wasn't me. So you need to get your story
>===<>> straight as who is doing what to whom. Most of this episode stemmed from
>===<>> the fact that it was implied that you got your special food cheaper from
>===<>Jo
>===<>> Ann than she was selling to everyone else. This is when Jo Ann was
>===<>telling
>===<>> a lot of people that only business people could purchase Biokyowa, which
>===<>was
>===<>> not true, anyone that wanted to purchase it either in one pound or 20 kg
>===<>> boxes could get it. Here again, it was someone else that suggested with
>===<>> your pushing of this food that you must be getting a discount, which by
>===<>the
>===<>> way was not me.
>===<>>
>===<>> As far as Jo Ann's diagnostician credentials are concerned another person
>===<>on
>===<>> this list showed and received the same designation with no trouble at all.
>===<>> Most states require only two courses and the passing of a simple test to
>===<>> receive this "designation." So what is the big deal if anyone can get it.
>===<>> Also, she was allowed to be in graduate classes, but that in no way means
>===<>> that she did Graduate work. Two classes do not make Graduate work for a
>===<>> student, you should know that.
>===<>>
>===<>> As I have said before, I have 45 (almost 50 years) years of experience,
>===<>and
>===<>> have bred, raised and have been recognized for my Goldfish, so I think the
>===<>> proof is in that pudding. There is a lot more effort involved in breeding
>===<>> and raising show quality fish than purchasing them from an overseas
>===<>> supplier.
>===<>>
>===<>> As far as attacking you, if you will go back and check when I have said
>===<>> something it is usually when you have said that Jo Ann developed this or
>===<>Jo
>===<>> Ann discovered this, especially when it has been written up in Aquaculture
>===<>> literature for years past. The last one where you have done this is the
>===<>> hydrogen peroxide dips. This has been used in the aquaculture community
>===<>for
>===<>> the past 30 years, so to say that she discovered or developed it is a
>===<>bunch
>===<>> of horse pucky. In any event, I think you will find that I very seldom
>===<>ever
>===<>> refute any of your medication advice to any one on any list. I don't live
>===<>> on these lists and because of my area where I live the posting of the
>===<>> messages to the newsgroup is not necessarily timely, sometimes it lags as
>===<>> much as a day to two days, so when you suggest a course of action, I very
>===<>> seldom ever refute, although, I may not necessarily agree with it, what
>===<>you
>===<>> have suggested for a remedy, because I figure there is no reason to
>===<>confuse
>===<>> the issue with a different technique.
>===<>>
>===<>> Also, you will find that there have been a few instances when I disagree
>===<>> with you on certain subjects, but you view this disagreement as an attack
>===<>> virtually every single time even when my comments are fully documented.
>===<>> What ever happened to agree to disagree. A good example is when you were
>===<>> touting high protein feeds on rec.ponds and you referenced a professor
>===<>from
>===<>> Canada (which in itself was a strange happening, because you never give
>===<>> references, except maybe Jo Ann), but I pointed out that the professor was
>===<>> salmon and trout expert an in no way did your reference apply to Goldfish
>===<>or
>===<>> KOI, so it had little to do support you premise that High proteins were
>===<>> needed for KOI and Goldfish and was only relevant if you were raising
>===<>Salmon
>===<>> or Trout. Your attitude has always seemed to be if you say it is true,
>===<>> which, of course, is not true.
>===<>>
>===<>> As far as helping people go, I help a lot of people, but I don't go
>===<>> advertising it, I usually do it privately when someone ask specifically
>===<>for
>===<>> alternate help, especially when you have gotten ****ed off at them and
>===<>have
>===<>> shunned them because they may have questioned what you that told them so
>===<>you
>===<>> stop trying to help them because they have questioned your technique.
>===<>>
>===<>> What I have often found interesting is that when I first met you on the
>===<>> Goldfish list I actually thought we were going to be good friends. Of
>===<>> course, that fell by the way side very quickly, when you started making
>===<>sure
>===<>> that everyone knew you were a microbiologist professor at a university and
>===<>> that you seemed to know everything, although at that time you had only
>===<>been
>===<>> keeping Goldfish for about a year or two, but you knew Jo Ann, who at that
>===<>> time have not taken her two courses and had not received her designation,
>===<>> and was additionally interesting was that you have never done any
>===<>> microbiologist research with Goldfish, using the excuse that the
>===<>university
>===<>> would not allow it.
>===<>>
>===<>> So any event, one of these days you will realize that there are many
>===<>people
>===<>> out here to have experience and what you say is not the end all of how
>===<>> things can be done. It is a too bad that you are always at odds with me.
>===<>>
>===<>> In any event, since you seem to be talking to me I hope you have a great
>===<>> holiday and I wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
>===<>>
>===<>> Tom L.L.
>===<>> -----------------------------------------------------
>===<>>
>===<>> > wrote in message
>===<>> ...
>===<>> >I dont call you any names Tom. I said the phone call is a lie, a
>===<>> >fabrication.
>===<>> > It is like the long period of time you insisted I didnt have a PhD, or
>===<>> > that the
>===<>> > Puregold list was run out of Marquette, or that I promoted Jo Ann
>===<>because
>===<>> > I was
>===<>> > financially rewarded. All lies, all fabrications.
>===<>> > Then there is this lie, this fabrication that Jo Ann is just another
>===<>> > "local fish
>===<>> > store" owner who sat in on a course and that is all. The truth is she
>===<>is
>===<>> > a licensed
>===<>> > diagnostician. http://www.mu.edu/~buxtoni/puregold/pgcharacters.html,
>===<>> > she did graduate course work to obtain the license. She is invited back
>===<>> > to Florida
>===<>> > to do presentations on GF at conferences. She is a real expert, one who
>===<>> > not only has
>===<>> > done the course work but also run a successful business for 25-30 years,
>===<>> > the acid
>===<>> > test if nothing else. And on top off all that, she has provided help to
>===<>> > thousands of
>===<>> > people all over the world with their sick fish and done so FOR FREE.
>===<>> > Tom, instead of attacking me use your time helping other people. Ingrid
>===<>> >
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>