Filter Question

[Me@home]

My daughter was bought a new 45 litre fish tank for her birthday. She has
now re-housed her three gold fish - she has had these for a number of
months/years. However, the new filter/ air pump is very very noisy indeed.

Question is: will it harm the fish if this is turned off completely
overnight? We're talking around 11pm til 8am the next morning?

Thanks in advance for your advice.

Michelle

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filters and airstones need to run 24/7. how about moving the filter from the old
tank to the new one? Ingrid

"Me@home" > wrote:

>My daughter was bought a new 45 litre fish tank for her birthday. She has
>now re-housed her three gold fish - she has had these for a number of
>months/years. However, the new filter/ air pump is very very noisy indeed.
>
>Question is: will it harm the fish if this is turned off completely
>overnight? We're talking around 11pm til 8am the next morning?
>
>Thanks in advance for your advice.
>
>Michelle
>



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use them both have a timer turn off the noisy one might work. but have excellent
aeration all the time.
sorry, instructions are wrong. GF should get big and are dirty fish. they need 10
gallons per fish. the fact that the fish arent growing to actual size means they are
probably being stunted by poor water quality.
do you have test kits? what are the nitrates?

"Me@home" > wrote:
>As for the comments on the amount of fish she has - The instructions which
>come
>with the new tank say she can keep 1 fish for every 4.5 litres. For a number
>of years
>she successfully kept at least three goldfish alive and well in her old tank
>which
>was slightly smaller - we are talking 3 small fish of 2 inches, 1.5 inches
>and 1 inch
>in size. The largest one is now 3 years old.
>
>Appreciate your advice thanks.
>
>Michelle


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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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[Starfish]

Instructions are totally wrong!!!!!!!!
It is around 40-50L per GF!!!!!!

This NG is full of experienced people who have had over 10 years experience
in keeping and researching GFs..

Seriously dont listen to those instructions.....would you like to live in a
room the size of a toilet for the rest of your life.....i think not...just
put yourself in their shoes....they live in their own ****e...


> wrote in message
...
> use them both have a timer turn off the noisy one might work. but have
> excellent
> aeration all the time.
> sorry, instructions are wrong. GF should get big and are dirty fish.
> they need 10
> gallons per fish. the fact that the fish arent growing to actual size
> means they are
> probably being stunted by poor water quality.
> do you have test kits? what are the nitrates?
>
> "Me@home" > wrote:
>>As for the comments on the amount of fish she has - The instructions which
>>come
>>with the new tank say she can keep 1 fish for every 4.5 litres. For a
>>number
>>of years
>>she successfully kept at least three goldfish alive and well in her old
>>tank
>>which
>>was slightly smaller - we are talking 3 small fish of 2 inches, 1.5 inches
>>and 1 inch
>>in size. The largest one is now 3 years old.
>>
>>Appreciate your advice thanks.
>>
>>Michelle
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> List Manager: Puregold Goldfish List
> http://puregold.aquaria.net/
> www.drsolo.com
> Solve the problem, dont waste energy finding who's to blame
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Unfortunately, I receive no money, gifts, discounts or other
> compensation for all the damn work I do, nor for any of the
> endorsements or recommendations I make.

[2pods]

"Me@home" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks folks for your replies. I am totally mystified. Here in the UK it
> is quite
> usual to keep a few small goldfish together in an indoor tank with a
> filter
> and we don't expect them to grow particularly large. I honestly didn't
> know
> that it
> was cruel in any way. The little fellas seem quite happy and can live to
> a
> ripe
> old age. I cant get rid of any of our three guys - they are like part of
> the family.
> They will have to see the rest of their days out squashed together I'm
> afraid.
> Thank heavens you don't know where I live..........you'd all come and
> lynch
> me!

What's this "here in the UK " crap ?
There are are plenty of people on this NG from the UK, including me, who
keep fish in good conditions and you're giving us a bad name

Peter

[Me@home]

"2pods" > wrote in message
...
> "Me@home" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks folks for your replies. I am totally mystified. Here in the UK
it
> > is quite
> > usual to keep a few small goldfish together in an indoor tank with a
> > filter
> > and we don't expect them to grow particularly large. I honestly didn't
> > know
> > that it
> > was cruel in any way. The little fellas seem quite happy and can live
to
> > a
> > ripe
> > old age. I cant get rid of any of our three guys - they are like part
of
> > the family.
> > They will have to see the rest of their days out squashed together I'm
> > afraid.
> > Thank heavens you don't know where I live..........you'd all come and
> > lynch
> > me!
>
> What's this "here in the UK " crap ?
> There are are plenty of people on this NG from the UK, including me, who
> keep fish in good conditions and you're giving us a bad name
>
> Peter
>
>

I haven't really looked at many other posts in the NG and I just assumed
that most of the posters in here were from the US. My mistake.

I'm sorry if I offended you Peter. Am I giving ALL fish keepers in the UK a
bad name? Wow, what power!

My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their tank.
The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in many
households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be doing
just fine thanks.

[2pods]

>> What's this "here in the UK " crap ?
>> There are are plenty of people on this NG from the UK, including me, who
>> keep fish in good conditions and you're giving us a bad name
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
> I haven't really looked at many other posts in the NG and I just assumed
> that most of the posters in here were from the US. My mistake.
>
> I'm sorry if I offended you Peter. Am I giving ALL fish keepers in the UK
> a
> bad name? Wow, what power!
>
> My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their
> tank.
> The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
> excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
> conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in
> many
> households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be
> doing
> just fine thanks.
>

My bad, there was actually went to be be a smiley after "giving us a bad
name " ;-)

Having said that, it's not ideal but hey, it's YOUR fish not mine.
I used to keep frogs and sticklebacks in jars :-)

Peter

Peter

[Larry Blanchard]

In article >, says...
> My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their tank.
> The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
> excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
> conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in many
> households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be doing
> just fine thanks.
>
Don't worry about it. Seems that 10 gallons per fish is like the Nicene
creed around here - it's a religious issue :-).

It is good advice for someone just starting out.

I once (long ago) kept two goldfish in a 5 or 10 gallon tank. At that
time, the rule was 20 square inches of surface per inch of fish, not
including tails. That one still makes more sense to me, as oxygen
exchange is based on surface area - but I'm not religious about it :-).

BTW, that tank had no filter, no gravel, no lights, and no plants. IIRC,
I did have a piece of glass over the top. And I never tested for
chemicals, just changed at least half the water once a week.

The fish survived several years until my baby sister decided to feed
them by dumping an entire large box of food into the tank - by the time
I found out it was too late.

So I'd say monitor your chemicals and change water to keep them within
limits. If you do that, the fish will, as you say, live to a ripe old
age. They may stay small, or they may outgrow their tank - YMMV.

Is it the optimum environment for them - no. But are you living in an
optimum environment?

--
Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

[Michelle]

"2pods" > wrote in message
...
> >> What's this "here in the UK " crap ?
> >> There are are plenty of people on this NG from the UK, including me,
who
> >> keep fish in good conditions and you're giving us a bad name
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I haven't really looked at many other posts in the NG and I just assumed
> > that most of the posters in here were from the US. My mistake.
> >
> > I'm sorry if I offended you Peter. Am I giving ALL fish keepers in the
UK
> > a
> > bad name? Wow, what power!
> >
> > My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their
> > tank.
> > The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
> > excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
> > conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in
> > many
> > households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be
> > doing
> > just fine thanks.
> >
>
> My bad, there was actually went to be be a smiley after "giving us a bad
> name " ;-)
>
> Having said that, it's not ideal but hey, it's YOUR fish not mine.
> I used to keep frogs and sticklebacks in jars :-)
>
> Peter
>
> Peter
>
>

Friends ;-)

Michelle

[Michelle]

"Larry Blanchard" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, says...
> > My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their
tank.
> > The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
> > excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
> > conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in
many
> > households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be
doing
> > just fine thanks.
> >
> Don't worry about it. Seems that 10 gallons per fish is like the Nicene
> creed around here - it's a religious issue :-).
>
> It is good advice for someone just starting out.
>
> I once (long ago) kept two goldfish in a 5 or 10 gallon tank. At that
> time, the rule was 20 square inches of surface per inch of fish, not
> including tails. That one still makes more sense to me, as oxygen
> exchange is based on surface area - but I'm not religious about it :-).
>
> BTW, that tank had no filter, no gravel, no lights, and no plants. IIRC,
> I did have a piece of glass over the top. And I never tested for
> chemicals, just changed at least half the water once a week.
>
> The fish survived several years until my baby sister decided to feed
> them by dumping an entire large box of food into the tank - by the time
> I found out it was too late.
>
> So I'd say monitor your chemicals and change water to keep them within
> limits. If you do that, the fish will, as you say, live to a ripe old
> age. They may stay small, or they may outgrow their tank - YMMV.
>
> Is it the optimum environment for them - no. But are you living in an
> optimum environment?
>
> --
> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description

Thank you Larry. We'll continue as is, and keep our eye on them.........long
may they continue to live!

Michelle

[2pods]

>> My bad, there was actually went to be be a smiley after "giving us a bad
>> name " ;-)
>>
>> Having said that, it's not ideal but hey, it's YOUR fish not mine.
>> I used to keep frogs and sticklebacks in jars :-)
>>
>> Peter

>
> Friends ;-)
>
> Michelle
>
Friends :-)
I don't know what's worse, my typing or my sense of humour

Peter

[Starfish]

you're killing them
"Michelle" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Larry Blanchard" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >, says...
>> > My daughters goldfish appear to be quite happy swimming about in their
> tank.
>> > The water is clear; they are not fighting their way through their own
>> > excrement. I think, to be fair, you have to agree with me that the
>> > conditions in which they are being kept is a fairly typical scenario in
> many
>> > households, and our case, ours have become very tame and appear to be
> doing
>> > just fine thanks.
>> >
>> Don't worry about it. Seems that 10 gallons per fish is like the Nicene
>> creed around here - it's a religious issue :-).
>>
>> It is good advice for someone just starting out.
>>
>> I once (long ago) kept two goldfish in a 5 or 10 gallon tank. At that
>> time, the rule was 20 square inches of surface per inch of fish, not
>> including tails. That one still makes more sense to me, as oxygen
>> exchange is based on surface area - but I'm not religious about it :-).
>>
>> BTW, that tank had no filter, no gravel, no lights, and no plants. IIRC,
>> I did have a piece of glass over the top. And I never tested for
>> chemicals, just changed at least half the water once a week.
>>
>> The fish survived several years until my baby sister decided to feed
>> them by dumping an entire large box of food into the tank - by the time
>> I found out it was too late.
>>
>> So I'd say monitor your chemicals and change water to keep them within
>> limits. If you do that, the fish will, as you say, live to a ripe old
>> age. They may stay small, or they may outgrow their tank - YMMV.
>>
>> Is it the optimum environment for them - no. But are you living in an
>> optimum environment?
>>
>> --
>> Homo sapiens is a goal, not a description
>
> Thank you Larry. We'll continue as is, and keep our eye on
> them.........long
> may they continue to live!
>
> Michelle
>
>

[Kay]

I agree. You are killing them. But your bent on not taking care of them,
the way they need to be.

Kay


Starfish wrote:
> you're killing them

[Craig]

Yeah, im from the Uk, have kept fish for a good few years now.

The way your keeping our fish is ****ing stupid, youve had some of the
best minds on the internet ,regarding goldfish, tell you its wrong, but
you couldnt care less.

I own a pond and have goldfish growing to nearly 8 inches, and have seen
some nearly 18" long in lakes.

youve condemed your fish to a life of missery, and shortened it (and
them) considerablly. gold fish can live many decades, yours will be
lucky to make it to 5.

Out of interest, what are basing the goldfishes happyness on, the point
that they are still swimming and eating? or have they sent you cards and
flowers... There fish, no emotions, just needs.

Please, dont class yourself as a fish keeper, your no where near.



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[Starfish]

Even if they got those large plastic containers to temporarily hole their
fish in while they save up....but they'd rather be murderers...

Cruelty to animals is not tollerated...i bet they keep puppies in
shoeboxes......
"Craig" -DONTEMAIL> wrote in message
...
> Yeah, im from the Uk, have kept fish for a good few years now.
>
> The way your keeping our fish is ****ing stupid, youve had some of the
> best minds on the internet ,regarding goldfish, tell you its wrong, but
> you couldnt care less.
>
> I own a pond and have goldfish growing to nearly 8 inches, and have seen
> some nearly 18" long in lakes.
>
> youve condemed your fish to a life of missery, and shortened it (and
> them) considerablly. gold fish can live many decades, yours will be
> lucky to make it to 5.
>
> Out of interest, what are basing the goldfishes happyness on, the point
> that they are still swimming and eating? or have they sent you cards and
> flowers... There fish, no emotions, just needs.
>
> Please, dont class yourself as a fish keeper, your no where near.
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via CichlidFish.com
> http://www.cichlidfish.com/portal/forums

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Michelle wrote:
> Thank you Larry. We'll continue as is, and keep our eye on them.........long
> may they continue to live!
>
> Michelle

By all means keep them in that size tank (definitely not ideal) but please do
measure
ammonia, nitrite and nitrate weekly and do 40% weekly water changes (or twice
weekly)