New Topic 2 - Plans for Next Year

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?

If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?

$$ We're leveling an inground kiddy pool with a small waterfall in front of
the front porch. The darn thing keep sinking on one side showing the
liner.... AAAARGGGGHHH!!! It's enough to make me crazy! I pulled the
pool out, but with the rain and soggy ground we can't do much with it now.

> If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
> with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan

$$ If I win the lotto you wont see me around these parts for while......

--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
>
> If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
> with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
>

Ooh good topic...

1. Dig and install new Lotus only garden. Possibly named Ode to Nedra.
2. Finish patching and cementing stream.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[kathy]

Spring of '05

General demucking of pond bottom. Distributing muck
to happy trees and shrubs in the backyard.

Repotting of four jj lilies I put in last year.

Try and get the six foot high grasses out of the
one of the edge bays that I planted in there as
seeds from a lake in Northern Idaho. Give up as
impossible.

Hope that more of the pacific chorus frogs I adopted
as eggs from jj return to the pond. Hope the lady bullfrog
doesn't return. Remind myself that if lady bullfrog does
show up not to make any rash announcements about catching
her. This just leads to embarrassment.

kathy

[Ann in Houston]

Not waiting until next year for the first item. We need to get the big pond
re-lined. Bad timing on ordering the new one. It came as the weather and
family obligations got prohibitive. After we get that done, I'll plant the
free plants that I got from my best friend's now-defunct pond (which I gave
her to begin with), and add the fish back in. Then, we have to camouflage
the trough that the gravel bog is in and make it look like the return is a
waterfall. I'll believe that one when I see it, frankly. And finally,
build the cover over the new koi pond, since that was the whole reason we
built it. Once that's done, I can pot up some pretty patio plants so our
new porch area can live up to its potential.
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
>
> If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
> with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>1. Dig and install new Lotus only garden. Possibly named Ode to Nedra.

LOL! I once had one of the old posters here (Rennie?) name a Chinchilla
after me.... and then he told me later it was a boy. <s> At least you
won't have that problem Nedra. ;o) ~ jan
~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Lt. Kizhe Catson]

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
> What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
>
> If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
> with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Plan for spring/summer 2005:

Dig/line/fill pond #2. This is to be ~6'x6', on the shady side of the
sunroom, right under the edge of it, so when you're in the sunroom it
looks like the water goes right underneath you (but the overhang is
actually only about 4"). Surrounding landscaping to include some of the
monster rocks they dug out to do the sunroom footings (levering them in
to place will require some....leverage. In a family full of engineers,
this is what we do for fun ;-). Then, general cleanup and repair of the
backyard from the construction damage. Goal: naturalized "forest floor"
kind of look.

-- Kizhe

[Nedra]

Wow! No wonder my ears have been ringing!! LOL ... I really
Really like your Ode to Nedra, BV ;-)

This coming year I hope to try planting some water lilies in the Koi pond.
What can I plant the lilies in to ensure the koi wont have a wonderful
luncheon?
Got any swell ideas? I mean other than covering the planting tops with
rocks ;)

Thanks those of you who have upheld my badly sagging reputation. Love y'all
muchly.

Nedra in Missouri

Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

[southernbc]

Hi Nedra,

I saw somewhere the planting pots could be packed with heavy clay which
in turn gives the Koi minerals they need anyways.
Southernbc

Nedra wrote:
> Wow! No wonder my ears have been ringing!! LOL ... I really
> Really like your Ode to Nedra, BV ;-)
>
> This coming year I hope to try planting some water lilies in the Koi pond.
> What can I plant the lilies in to ensure the koi wont have a wonderful
> luncheon?
> Got any swell ideas? I mean other than covering the planting tops with
> rocks ;)
>
> Thanks those of you who have upheld my badly sagging reputation. Love y'all
> muchly.
>
> Nedra in Missouri
>
> Lotus Garden:
> http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> Backyard Pond:
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
>

[~ Windsong ~]

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Wow! No wonder my ears have been ringing!! LOL ... I really
> Really like your Ode to Nedra, BV ;-)
>
> This coming year I hope to try planting some water lilies in the Koi pond.
> What can I plant the lilies in to ensure the koi wont have a wonderful
> luncheon?

$$ My koi don't bother the leaves much but will dig them out of the pots and
kill them. I now put bird netting all around the pot when the lily is
dormant. The top of the pots are completely covered. The leaves grow up
through the netting and koi can't root them out of their pots. However
being rough and tumble fish my koi do bruise and tear the leaves. Lilies
just don't thrive in my koi pond like they do in the GF pools.

> Got any swell ideas? I mean other than covering the planting tops with
> rocks ;)
>
> Thanks those of you who have upheld my badly sagging reputation. Love
y'all
> muchly.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Nedra]

Carol,

How do you secure the netting to the lily pots?
All ideas are welcome :)

Nedra

Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

[Nedra]

Hi there,
I haven't used clay in the planting pots... will give that a try. I know
the koi do love
clay... I use KoiClay all spring, summer and fall... they literally love it!

Thanks for the help.
Nedra

Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

"southernbc" > wrote in message
news:eIFFd.23971$06.10286@clgrps12...
> Hi Nedra,
>
> I saw somewhere the planting pots could be packed with heavy clay which
> in turn gives the Koi minerals they need anyways.
> Southernbc
>
> Nedra wrote:
> > Wow! No wonder my ears have been ringing!! LOL ... I really
> > Really like your Ode to Nedra, BV ;-)
> >
> > This coming year I hope to try planting some water lilies in the Koi
pond.
> > What can I plant the lilies in to ensure the koi wont have a wonderful
> > luncheon?
> > Got any swell ideas? I mean other than covering the planting tops with
> > rocks ;)
> >
> > Thanks those of you who have upheld my badly sagging reputation. Love
y'all
> > muchly.
> >
> > Nedra in Missouri
> >
> > Lotus Garden:
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
> > Backyard Pond:
> > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
> >
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:34:24 GMT, "Nedra" > wrote:

>Hi there,
>I haven't used clay in the planting pots... will give that a try. I know
>the koi do love clay...

And that a good reason NOT to use clay. I use sand and large rock over the
top. Being that you haven't had lilies in the pond for awhile I'd pot up
two lilies and get them going in a safe place so a lot of pads with thick
stocks are growing vigorously. At this point put the plants in and stand
guard for the next couple hours. Every time the fish go over and check it
out, scare them off with a skimmer net.

Just as there is safety in a school for fish, there is danger for the
plants. A new plant and a school of fish that get frisky will take down a
plant in no time. If they discover the plant over time, one by one, and get
use to it without be allowed to think "new toy". They will "usually" leave
it away. I use "usually" only as a disclaimer as this method has always
worked for me, YMMV. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Nedra]

Thanks for the advice Jan. My guys and gals swim around in packs of 5 or 6
(total koi
# of Koi is 14). I've never seen them attack the lilies - one at a time.
I'll think this over though ~ afraid I'm not good at disciplining the my
"kids" :(

Nedra

Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:34:24 GMT, "Nedra" >
wrote:
>
> >Hi there,
> >I haven't used clay in the planting pots... will give that a try. I know
> >the koi do love clay...
>
> And that a good reason NOT to use clay. I use sand and large rock over the
> top. Being that you haven't had lilies in the pond for awhile I'd pot up
> two lilies and get them going in a safe place so a lot of pads with thick
> stocks are growing vigorously. At this point put the plants in and stand
> guard for the next couple hours. Every time the fish go over and check it
> out, scare them off with a skimmer net.
>
> Just as there is safety in a school for fish, there is danger for the
> plants. A new plant and a school of fish that get frisky will take down a
> plant in no time. If they discover the plant over time, one by one, and
get
> use to it without be allowed to think "new toy". They will "usually" leave
> it away. I use "usually" only as a disclaimer as this method has always
> worked for me, YMMV. ~ jan
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Carol,
>
> How do you secure the netting to the lily pots?
> All ideas are welcome :)
========================
I use that green plastic covered garden wire that comes on a roll to tie
tomato plants to stakes. It comes with a snip to cut it to the lengths you
want. I buy it at Wally World's garden center. I take a large piece of
leftover netting and set the plant on it, then just sort of bag it up and
use the wire to hold it closed. The closed part being offset to the plant
grows through the net. On large lily pots I cut a piece to cover the top
only and use the same wire to secure it around the edge, about 8 pieces of
the wire. This wire will last over a year underwater.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
Completely FREE software:
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Benign Vanilla]

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Wow! No wonder my ears have been ringing!! LOL ... I really
> Really like your Ode to Nedra, BV ;-)
>
> This coming year I hope to try planting some water lilies in the Koi pond.
> What can I plant the lilies in to ensure the koi wont have a wonderful
> luncheon?
> Got any swell ideas? I mean other than covering the planting tops with
> rocks ;)
>
> Thanks those of you who have upheld my badly sagging reputation. Love
y'all
> muchly.

I first planted my lillies in mud with rocks on top. They went crazy. Last
year I tried just rocks and they were pathetic. This year I am going back to
the mud with rock covering. All of my plants are planted in waste baskets
that have holes in the sides, and bottom. My Koi have never disturbed them.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
...
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Carol,
> >
> > How do you secure the netting to the lily pots?
> > All ideas are welcome :)
> ========================
> I use that green plastic covered garden wire that comes on a roll to tie
> tomato plants to stakes. It comes with a snip to cut it to the lengths
you
> want. I buy it at Wally World's garden center. I take a large piece of
> leftover netting and set the plant on it, then just sort of bag it up and
> use the wire to hold it closed. The closed part being offset to the plant
> grows through the net. On large lily pots I cut a piece to cover the top
> only and use the same wire to secure it around the edge, about 8 pieces of
> the wire. This wire will last over a year underwater.

Hmm, I just had an idea for a VF experiment.

My Iris overgrow their pots/baskets every year, and turn into a tangle mass
of roots. I plant them only in rock. So, how about instead of using baskets,
use mesh bags, filled with rock. Sit them in the VF. They'll sit more level
then the pots, and I expect will thrive.

Off to the mesh bag store for me...


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Nedra]

Thanks, Carol. I think I'll run on down to Walmart and see if they have it
in yet.
Your instructions are great!

Nedra

Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

"~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
...
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Carol,
> >
> > How do you secure the netting to the lily pots?
> > All ideas are welcome :)
> ========================
> I use that green plastic covered garden wire that comes on a roll to tie
> tomato plants to stakes. It comes with a snip to cut it to the lengths
you
> want. I buy it at Wally World's garden center. I take a large piece of
> leftover netting and set the plant on it, then just sort of bag it up and
> use the wire to hold it closed. The closed part being offset to the plant
> grows through the net. On large lily pots I cut a piece to cover the top
> only and use the same wire to secure it around the edge, about 8 pieces of
> the wire. This wire will last over a year underwater.
> --
> Carol.... the frugal ponder...
> "Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
> ~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
> "They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
> http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
> Completely FREE software:
> http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>

[Nedra]

My lilies were first planted in the large sized nursery pots. With lots of
rocks on top.
The Koi were still pretty young .... they had a blast! I'd see a lily
traverseing the top
of the pond. A koi or two were hauling it all over. I got such a kick out
of watching
them play with the lilies... then it hit me that the reason the lilies were
disappearing is
because the koi were Eating Them. So I guess you could say I've always had
a
problem with lily-eating Koi. Must be an individual koi thing?

Nedra
Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nedra" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Wow! No wonder my ears have been ringing!! LOL ... I really
> > Really like your Ode to Nedra, BV ;-)
> >
> > This coming year I hope to try planting some water lilies in the Koi
pond.
> > What can I plant the lilies in to ensure the koi wont have a wonderful
> > luncheon?
> > Got any swell ideas? I mean other than covering the planting tops with
> > rocks ;)
> >
> > Thanks those of you who have upheld my badly sagging reputation. Love
> y'all
> > muchly.
>
> I first planted my lillies in mud with rocks on top. They went crazy. Last
> year I tried just rocks and they were pathetic. This year I am going back
to
> the mud with rock covering. All of my plants are planted in waste baskets
> that have holes in the sides, and bottom. My Koi have never disturbed
them.
>
>
> --
> BV
> Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
> http://www.iheartmypond.com
> I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.
>
>
>

[~ Windsong ~]

--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
Completely FREE software:
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Nedra" > wrote in message
> > ink.net...
> > > Carol,
> > >
> > > How do you secure the netting to the lily pots?
> > > All ideas are welcome :)
> > ========================
> > I use that green plastic covered garden wire that comes on a roll to tie
> > tomato plants to stakes. It comes with a snip to cut it to the lengths
> you
> > want. I buy it at Wally World's garden center. I take a large piece of
> > leftover netting and set the plant on it, then just sort of bag it up
and
> > use the wire to hold it closed. The closed part being offset to the
plant
> > grows through the net. On large lily pots I cut a piece to cover the
top
> > only and use the same wire to secure it around the edge, about 8 pieces
of
> > the wire. This wire will last over a year underwater.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ }<(((((0>
> Hmm, I just had an idea for a VF experiment.
>
> My Iris overgrow their pots/baskets every year, and turn into a tangle
mass
> of roots. I plant them only in rock. So, how about instead of using
baskets,
> use mesh bags, filled with rock. Sit them in the VF. They'll sit more
level
> then the pots, and I expect will thrive.

$$ Excellent idea. Give it a go! I haven't done anything with my water
iris. They've become so tangled at one end of the pond we just leave them
alone. They're on a shelf and have grown all together. You can't even see
the pots anymore. The fish like to spawn in the tangle. When we clean the
pond we just hose this iris forest and let it be. BTW, the iris we once had
in the settling tank grew 6' tall. They actually blocked the water flow and
had to be removed.

> Off to the mesh bag store for me...

$$ There ya go! :-))

--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
Completely FREE software:
http://www.pricelessware.org/thelist/index.htm
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[NW]

Plans.....Maybe this is the year I'll actually build a pond instead of just
reading about them.



"Lt. Kizhe Catson" > wrote in message
...
> ~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
> > What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
> >
> > If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to
go
> > with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
> >
> >
> > ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
>
> Plan for spring/summer 2005:
>
> Dig/line/fill pond #2. This is to be ~6'x6', on the shady side of the
> sunroom, right under the edge of it, so when you're in the sunroom it
> looks like the water goes right underneath you (but the overhang is
> actually only about 4"). Surrounding landscaping to include some of the
> monster rocks they dug out to do the sunroom footings (levering them in
> to place will require some....leverage. In a family full of engineers,
> this is what we do for fun ;-). Then, general cleanup and repair of the
> backyard from the construction damage. Goal: naturalized "forest floor"
> kind of look.
>
> -- Kizhe
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:44:27 GMT, "Nedra" > wrote:

>Thanks for the advice Jan. My guys and gals swim around in packs of 5 or 6
>(total koi
># of Koi is 14). I've never seen them attack the lilies - one at a time.

This is what I was trying to say, had some typos getting in my way of
clarification. Let them check it out one at a time, rather than a group.
When the group heads over, get ready to shoo them away.

> I'll think this over though ~ afraid I'm not good at disciplining the my
>"kids" :(

Hmmm, I should save this for the files, so if you ever come in and say: "I
can't keep plants with my koi..... " I can remind you. ;o) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Nedra]

You don't have to remind me, Jan. Unfortunately my memory is 'way to clear
and indeed haunts me at times. I know my problem is that I have trouble
separating the koi from their adored plants .... what I want to know is
a practical method of planting the lilies in the first place. I got several
answers
which I plan to use. Thanks all.

Nedr
Lotus Garden:
http://community.webshots.com/user/nedra118
Backyard Pond:
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pines/4836
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 06:44:27 GMT, "Nedra" >
wrote:
>
> >Thanks for the advice Jan. My guys and gals swim around in packs of 5 or
6
> >(total koi
> ># of Koi is 14). I've never seen them attack the lilies - one at a time.
>
> This is what I was trying to say, had some typos getting in my way of
> clarification. Let them check it out one at a time, rather than a group.
> When the group heads over, get ready to shoo them away.
>
> > I'll think this over though ~ afraid I'm not good at disciplining the my
> >"kids" :(
>
> Hmmm, I should save this for the files, so if you ever come in and say: "I
> can't keep plants with my koi..... " I can remind you. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:17:11 GMT, "Nedra" > wrote:

>> > I'll think this over though ~ afraid I'm not good at disciplining the my
>> >"kids" :(
>>
>> Hmmm, I should save this for the files, so if you ever come in and say: "I
>> can't keep plants with my koi..... " I can remind you. ;o) ~ jan
>>
>You don't have to remind me, Jan.
>Nedra

Remind you?!!! I was kidding, I was thinking more along the lines of black
mail. "No wait!!!! That's the evil Porg Queen speaking," Slapping self back
to sanity. ;o))))) ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Nedra" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> You don't have to remind me, Jan. Unfortunately my memory is 'way to
clear
> and indeed haunts me at times. I know my problem is that I have trouble
> separating the koi from their adored plants .... what I want to know is
> a practical method of planting the lilies in the first place. I got
several
> answers
> which I plan to use. Thanks all.
=========================
I use those Rose stakes for fertilizer in my lily pots. Works great and
they're not toxic to fish.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>

[news groups]

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

> What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
>
> If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
> with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
Well, I plan to finish my veggie filter, dig a new little pond (100
gallons or so) for the return from the VF, try NOT to buy any new kio
this year (LOL - yeah,), finish landscaping, and start saving for a new
liner when this one gets a hole in it and I have to redig and expand my
pond for the new liner to fit exactly proper and all. :-))))))))

[Bonnie]

My DH has informed me that he will do no projects this
year! He has his own projects and will not be available
for any of mine :-(.
I guess I'll just sit by the pond, watch the fish and listen
to the canaries singing.

--
Bonnie
NJ

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Mon, 17 Jan 2005 17:49:18 GMT, Bonnie wrote:

>I guess I'll just sit by the pond, watch the fish and listen
>to the canaries singing.

Sounds like a plan to me.

Just keeping up with maintenance will be enough for me this year. Only new
thing will be trying to catch the baby koi out of the ponds. I dread that,
catching fish is always a stressful time for me, because I know it is for
my fish. ~ jan


~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Nedra]

Well Bonnie, this puts you in my class. I've never had Free male help with
the ponds.
Opps take that back. Dave, 1st son, helped me put in the veggie filter
about 4 years ago.
I thought I was in Heaven....
Anyway, welcome to the club sweetie. It really isn't that bad ... sitting
by the pond
and dreaming.

Nedra in Missouri


"Bonnie" > wrote in message
...
> My DH has informed me that he will do no projects this
> year! He has his own projects and will not be available
> for any of mine :-(.
> I guess I'll just sit by the pond, watch the fish and listen
> to the canaries singing.
>
> --
> Bonnie
> NJ
>
>
>

[jedi]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
> >
> > If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to
go
> > with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
> >
>
> Ooh good topic...
>
> 1. Dig and install new Lotus only garden. Possibly named Ode to Nedra.
> 2. Finish patching and cementing stream.
>
>
Does Nedra have to be dead to have an Ode?

[jedi]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
>
> If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to go
> with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
>
>
I have been toying with the idea of putting in a more formal looking pond
for some time. Your page may have inspired me to do the work....

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 18:11:07 -0500, "jedi" > wrote:

>I have been toying with the idea of putting in a more formal looking pond
>for some time. Your page may have inspired me to do the work....
>
Coool, hope to see pictures to see what you come up with. :o) ~ jan


See my ponds and filter design:
http://users.owt.com/jjspond/

~Keep 'em Wet!~
Tri-Cities WA Zone 7a
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[Benign Vanilla]

"jedi" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> > Ooh good topic...
> >
> > 1. Dig and install new Lotus only garden. Possibly named Ode to Nedra.
> > 2. Finish patching and cementing stream.
> >
> >
> Does Nedra have to be dead to have an Ode?
>

Nope...just look at her lotus to see she deserves an Ode. What a silly
word...ode.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Benign Vanilla]

"jedi" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
> > What changes or additions are you thinking about next year?
> >
> > If I win the lotto...... No, real changes. (Not make-believe changes to
go
> > with your make-believe anti-spam e-mail addresses. ;o) ~ jan
> >
> >
> I have been toying with the idea of putting in a more formal looking pond
> for some time. Your page may have inspired me to do the work....
>

I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.
====================
I wish we had put in one huge pond of 3 to 4000 gallons rather than the 2
smaller ponds of 800 and 2000 gallons.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.
> ====================
> I wish we had put in one huge pond of 3 to 4000 gallons rather than the 2
> smaller ponds of 800 and 2000 gallons.

I wish I made mine more like 5000-6000. And I wish I had put in more
shelves.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[jedi]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.
> > ====================
> > I wish we had put in one huge pond of 3 to 4000 gallons rather than the
2
> > smaller ponds of 800 and 2000 gallons.
>
> I wish I made mine more like 5000-6000. And I wish I had put in more
> shelves.

I really like not having any shelves at all. Since I redid my pond to be
without them (some years ago now) I have not had one loss from raccoons
which had been a constant problem. I also have crates upside down that the
plants sit on and with one side of them being higher than the others they
serve as caves that the fish love to hang out in. As the saying goes...
different strokes for different folks...

[~ Wysong ~]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message ...
> >
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.
> > ====================
> > I wish we had put in one huge pond of 3 to 4000 gallons rather than the
2
> > smaller ponds of 800 and 2000 gallons.
>
> I wish I made mine more like 5000-6000. And I wish I had put in more
> shelves.
================================
Fortunately we have enough shelves in both ponds. We've considered ripping
both liners out (ponds are 6 foot apart) and making one large pond with a
decent waterfall. But then we've discussed moving to town since we're
getting older and there's a lot of yardwork out here. It's also
inconvenient since everything is so far away. Before putting more money
into a larger pond which we would be forced to leave behind, we're not doing
anything "pondwise" - if that makes any sense at all. :-))
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
I have a firm grip on reality.
Now I can strangle it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Derek Broughon]

On Thu, 2005-24-02 at 11:17 -0500, jedi wrote:
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...

> > I wish I made mine more like 5000-6000. And I wish I had put in more
> > shelves.
>
> I really like not having any shelves at all. Since I redid my pond to be
> without them (some years ago now) I have not had one loss from raccoons
> which had been a constant problem. I also have crates upside down that the
> plants sit on and with one side of them being higher than the others they
> serve as caves that the fish love to hang out in. As the saying goes...
> different strokes for different folks...

Shelves/no shelves is as good an argument as rock bottoms, or roofing
vs. pond EPDM :-)

I had plenty of shelves in my last pond. The next one won't have any.
It's just much more flexible (and easier) to make the pond straight
sided and add milk crates or PVC racks to put plants on.

A bog's nice, though.
--
derek

[Crashj]

On or about Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:05:51 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote something like:
>"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message ...
>>
>> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.
>> ====================
>> I wish we had put in one huge pond of 3 to 4000 gallons rather than the 2
>> smaller ponds of 800 and 2000 gallons.
>
>I wish I made mine more like 5000-6000. And I wish I had put in more
>shelves.

I have the same problem with my wine cellar.
--
Crashj

[Benign Vanilla]

"Crashj" > wrote in message
...
> On or about Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:05:51 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> > wrote something like:
> >"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message ...
> >>
> >> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in
message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.
> >> ====================
> >> I wish we had put in one huge pond of 3 to 4000 gallons rather than the
2
> >> smaller ponds of 800 and 2000 gallons.
> >
> >I wish I made mine more like 5000-6000. And I wish I had put in more
> >shelves.
>
> I have the same problem with my wine cellar.

If you even try to tell me you drink wine while you plant your pond
plants...I'll have to sick my attorney's on you too.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Lt. Kizhe Catson]

Benign Vanilla wrote:
> "Crashj" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On or about Thu, 24 Feb 2005 11:05:51 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote something like:
>>
>>>"~ Windsong ~" > wrote in message ...
>>>
>>>>"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in
>>>
> message
>
...
>>>>
>>>>>I've always wanted one. I just don't have a lot of room left.
>>>>
>>>>====================
>>>>I wish we had put in one huge pond of 3 to 4000 gallons rather than the
>>>
> 2
>
>>>>smaller ponds of 800 and 2000 gallons.
>>>
>>>I wish I made mine more like 5000-6000. And I wish I had put in more
>>>shelves.
>>
>>I have the same problem with my wine cellar.
>
>
> If you even try to tell me you drink wine while you plant your pond
> plants...I'll have to sick my attorney's on you too.

Your attorney's wine or your attorney's plants? Either way, I don't
want to be there when you sick them on someone....

-- Kizhe