Amateur needs advice

[Jacqueline Sanders]

I have recently starting keeping fish in my pond , mostly koi and have been
told that I need to have plants in my pond which provide air for the fish
can you please advise on what plants to buy.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Jacqueline Sanders" > wrote in message
...
> I have recently starting keeping fish in my pond , mostly koi and have
been
> told that I need to have plants in my pond which provide air for the fish
> can you please advise on what plants to buy.
>

Aeration is important for any body of water with fish in it. Fish use up the
Dissolved Oxygen (DO) and it needs to be replenished for them to survive.

The two primary means for replenishing DO, plants and aeration. Many ponders
have a fountain, stream, waterfall or other sort of waterfeature that breaks
the surface of the water. This is a great way to aerate the water. Moving
water is a great aerator.

Plants are also a great aeration solution, but remember that at night plants
can actually use O2 and starve a pond of DO. I have never seen this in my
pond, which is heavily planted, but I understand it has been a problem for
other rec.ponders.

Really any plant submerged in your pond will help. Anacharis is a popular
aerator, http://www.iheartmypond.com/Plants/Submerged/Anacharis/. It grows
like mad, acts as a supplemental food source for fish, it's cheap and it
aerates nicely.

Also check out http://www.iheartmypond.com/WaterQuality/Aeration/, for more
on aeration.

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Derek Broughton]

Jacqueline Sanders wrote:

> I have recently starting keeping fish in my pond , mostly koi and have
> been told that I need to have plants in my pond which provide air for the
> fish can you please advise on what plants to buy.

No, you don't _need_ plants. As someone who came to ponding from the other
direction though, I can't imagine why you would _want_ a pond without
plants :-)

Plants don't, as such, provide air (specifically Oxygen) for the fish. As
long as you have decent water movement and sufficient surface area for the
number of fish you're keeping, the Oxygen is dissolved in the water from
the air above the pond. Plants do add somewhat to the amount of Oxygen,
during the day, when they're photosynthesizing, but at night the process
runs backwards and they absorb Oxygen and excrete Carbon-dioxide. This can
occasionally result in _lowering_ the oxygen available for the fish, so
it's best not to count on plants giving them the oxygen they need.

That said, the plants you can or should have depends to a large extent on
your location. If you don't use plants to shade the pond and take up
nutrients, you'll get algae instead. If you have a pond the color of pea
soup, you won't see the fish. Algae is either controlled by restricting
the nutrients or sunlight it gets (using other plants - like lilies, water
hyacinth, duckweed or azolla to shade the water; practically any kind of
plant to take up nitrates, phosphates and potassium) or you can use a UV
light to kill it. I don't like the UV solution, because I feel it masks a
high-nutrient situation that you should be aware of, but many koi keepers
use it successfully.
--
derek

[Nedra Sucks]

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:53:48 GMT, "Jacqueline Sanders"
> wrote:

>===<>I have recently starting keeping fish in my pond , mostly koi and have been
>===<>told that I need to have plants in my pond which provide air for the fish
>===<>can you please advise on what plants to buy.
>===<

You don;t get air from plants!
You get dissolved oxygen from plants during daylight hours. You have
been told wrong yet again as plants are not a necessary part of a
pond. Its a personal choice if you want pants, not a necessity by any
means

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helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
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[ah]

Nedra Sucks wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:53:48 GMT, "Jacqueline Sanders"
> > wrote:
>
>>===<>I have recently starting keeping fish in my pond , mostly koi and have been
>>===<>told that I need to have plants in my pond which provide air for the fish
>>===<>can you please advise on what plants to buy.
>>===<
>
> You don<SPLIFF>

Thanks for the amateur advice.
--
ah

[Paul]

ah wrote:

> Nedra Sucks wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 14:53:48 GMT, "Jacqueline Sanders"
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>===<>I have recently starting keeping fish in my pond , mostly koi and have been
>>>===<>told that I need to have plants in my pond which provide air for the fish
>>>===<>can you please advise on what plants to buy.
>>>===<
>>
>>You don<SPLIFF>
>
>
> Thanks for the amateur advice.

You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on them.

Paul

[ah]

Paul wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on them.

I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/

Surely koi don't eat all plants?
--
ah

[Benign Vanilla]

"ah" > wrote in message
news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
> Paul wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on
them.
>
> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
>
> Surely koi don't eat all plants?

Is the pope catholic?

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Derek Broughton]

Benign Vanilla wrote:

>
> "ah" > wrote in message
> news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
>> Paul wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on
> them.
>>
>> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
>>
>> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
>
> Is the pope catholic?

The correct line is "does a Pope **** in the woods"...

But no, not all koi eat plants. I never had a problem with it. I don't
know why, and I sure wouldn't recommend to anyone that they just take a
chance, but I got lucky.
--
derek

[San Diego Joe]

"Derek Broughton" wrote:

> Benign Vanilla wrote:
>
>>
>> "ah" > wrote in message
>> news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
>>> Paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on
>> them.
>>>
>>> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
>>>
>>> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
>>
>> Is the pope catholic?
>
> The correct line is "does a Pope **** in the woods"...
>
I thought it was "is the Pope Polish?"


San Diego Joe
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[~ Windsong ~]

"ah" > wrote in message
news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
> Paul wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on
them.
>
> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
>
> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
====================================
My koi don't eat water iris, umbrella palm, water lilies, black taro,
parrots feather or water bamboo. They do eat anacharis, duckweed, the roots
of water lettuce and water hyacinth and hornwart "sometimes." Experiment,
as there are plants they don't eat. The biggest koi/plant problem I've had
was their rooting the plants out of their pots.
--
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[Benign Vanilla]

"San Diego Joe" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> >>> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
> >>>
> >>> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
> >>
> >> Is the pope catholic?
> >
> > The correct line is "does a Pope **** in the woods"...
> >
> I thought it was "is the Pope Polish?"

Ok, who is going to mention the polish bear eating the pope in the woods,
and whether or not it makes a noise if a tree fell on it?


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[San Diego Joe]

"Benign Vanilla" wrote:

>
> "San Diego Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>>>>> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
>>>>>
>>>>> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
>>>>
>>>> Is the pope catholic?
>>>
>>> The correct line is "does a Pope **** in the woods"...
>>>
>> I thought it was "is the Pope Polish?"
>
> Ok, who is going to mention the polish bear eating the pope in the woods,
> and whether or not it makes a noise if a tree fell on it?

Or what comes out when he ****s!


San Diego Joe
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[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:34:30 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote:

>Ok, who is going to mention the polish bear eating the pope in the woods,
>and whether or not it makes a noise if a tree fell on it?

Depends on if it falls on the bear or the Pope, doesn't it? ~ jan


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[ah]

~ Windsong ~ wrote:
> "ah" > wrote in message
> news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
>> Paul wrote:
>> >
>> > [...]
>> >
>> > You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on
> them.
>>
>> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
>>
>> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
> ====================================
> My koi don't eat water iris, umbrella palm, water lilies, black taro,
> parrots feather or water bamboo. They do eat anacharis, duckweed, the roots
> of water lettuce and water hyacinth and hornwart "sometimes." Experiment,
> as there are plants they don't eat. The biggest koi/plant problem I've had
> was their rooting the plants out of their pots.

Aye.

We do put lettuce and hyacinth in the upper pond where there are no fish....

I've not paid, alas, that much attention to aquatic plants: my forte is dirt
and stone ;-)
--
ah

[~ Windsong ~]

"ah" > wrote in message news:mYZFd.162$J6.74@trnddc02...
> ~ Windsong ~ wrote:
> > "ah" > wrote in message
> > news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
> >> Paul wrote:
> >> >
> >> > [...]
> >> >
> >> > You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on
> > them.
> >>
> >> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
> >>
> >> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
> > ====================================
> > My koi don't eat water iris, umbrella palm, water lilies, black taro,
> > parrots feather or water bamboo. They do eat anacharis, duckweed, the
roots
> > of water lettuce and water hyacinth and hornwart "sometimes."
Experiment,
> > as there are plants they don't eat. The biggest koi/plant problem I've
had
> > was their rooting the plants out of their pots.
>
> Aye.
>
> We do put lettuce and hyacinth in the upper pond where there are no
fish....
>
> I've not paid, alas, that much attention to aquatic plants: my forte is
dirt
> and stone ;-)
> --
> ah
=======================
I put the plants they like to eat in the settling tank. They grow into
monsters in this tank! I mean water lettuce larger than dinner plates
around...
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Due to financial crisis the light at the end
of the tunnel is switched off."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
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[ah]

~ Windsong ~ wrote:
> "ah" > wrote in message news:mYZFd.162$J6.74@trnddc02...
>> ~ Windsong ~ wrote:
>> > "ah" > wrote in message
>> > news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
>> >> Paul wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > [...]
>> >> >
>> >> > You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine on
>> > them.
>> >>
>> >> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em ;/
>> >>
>> >> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
>> > ====================================
>> > My koi don't eat water iris, umbrella palm, water lilies, black taro,
>> > parrots feather or water bamboo. They do eat anacharis, duckweed, the
> roots
>> > of water lettuce and water hyacinth and hornwart "sometimes."
> Experiment,
>> > as there are plants they don't eat. The biggest koi/plant problem I've
> had
>> > was their rooting the plants out of their pots.
>>
>> Aye.
>>
>> We do put lettuce and hyacinth in the upper pond where there are no
> fish....
>>
>> I've not paid, alas, that much attention to aquatic plants: my forte is
> dirt
>> and stone ;-)
>> --
>> ah
> =======================
> I put the plants they like to eat in the settling tank. They grow into
> monsters in this tank! I mean water lettuce larger than dinner plates
> around...

Oh!

Bigest I've seen have leaves the diameter of a golf ball!

Largest pond I've done was 25'x18'x5'(deep) . . . not enough room for much.
--
ah

[~ Windsong ~]

"ah" > wrote in message news:5qbGd.335$Hg6.187@trnddc09...
> ~ Windsong ~ wrote:
> > "ah" > wrote in message
news:mYZFd.162$J6.74@trnddc02...
> >> ~ Windsong ~ wrote:
> >> > "ah" > wrote in message
> >> > news:79QFd.5674$SS6.871@trnddc07...
> >> >> Paul wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > [...]
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You will need to protect you plants from koi as they like to dine
on
> >> > them.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em
;/
> >> >>
> >> >> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
> >> > ====================================
> >> > My koi don't eat water iris, umbrella palm, water lilies, black taro,
> >> > parrots feather or water bamboo. They do eat anacharis, duckweed,
the
> > roots
> >> > of water lettuce and water hyacinth and hornwart "sometimes."
> > Experiment,
> >> > as there are plants they don't eat. The biggest koi/plant problem
I've
> > had
> >> > was their rooting the plants out of their pots.
> >>
> >> Aye.
> >>
> >> We do put lettuce and hyacinth in the upper pond where there are no
> > fish....
> >>
> >> I've not paid, alas, that much attention to aquatic plants: my forte
is
> > dirt
> >> and stone ;-)
> >> --
> >> ah
--
> > =======================
> > I put the plants they like to eat in the settling tank. They grow into
> > monsters in this tank! I mean water lettuce larger than dinner plates
> > around...
>
> Oh!
>
> Bigest I've seen have leaves the diameter of a golf ball!
>
> Largest pond I've done was 25'x18'x5'(deep) . . . not enough room for
much.
> --
> ah
===================
I agree. That's a mere puddle. You really need to dig a larger pond. :-)
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
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[Derek Broughton]

Benign Vanilla wrote:

>
> "San Diego Joe" > wrote in message
> ...
> <snip>
>> >>> I have little experience in the maintennance side--I just build 'em
>> >>> ;/
>> >>>
>> >>> Surely koi don't eat all plants?
>> >>
>> >> Is the pope catholic?
>> >
>> > The correct line is "does a Pope **** in the woods"...
>> >
>> I thought it was "is the Pope Polish?"
>
> Ok, who is going to mention the polish bear eating the pope in the woods,
> and whether or not it makes a noise if a tree fell on it?

It's like this: I used to alternate saying "is a bear Catholic" and "does a
Pope **** in the woods" just to annoy DW. Then the Pope came to Ontario,
and spent a weekend in a cottage where the only bathroom facilities were in
an outhouse at a significant distance from the cottage - and I discovered
that the Pope really _does_ **** in the woods...
--
derek