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Carl Beyer

January 12th 05, 03:52 PM

I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.

So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something
that disturbed me.

I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction,
but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big
Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
something is going down.

Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?

Thanks

Carl

Oh.... pictures of the pond from 2 years ago.

http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com/Koi

cap the K...

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Benign Vanilla

January 12th 05, 04:23 PM

"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
> I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
> going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
> 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.
>
> So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
> checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something
> that disturbed me.
>
> I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
> them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction,
> but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big
> Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
> something is going down.
>
> Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?
<snip>

White spots? Sounds like Ich. If so, here are some products at PetSmart that
may be able to help diagnose (read the labels) and if it is Ich, help cure
it...

Kordon Prevent Ich Fish Disease Inhibitor and Preventative,
http://ihmp.net/@/m
Kordon Ich Inhibitor, http://ihmp.net/@/wf
Kordon Aquarium Rid Ich Preventative, http://ihmp.net/@/om

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com/animals/fish/illness
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

2pods

January 12th 05, 04:24 PM

Could it be White spot ? (Ich)

Peter

"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
>I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
> going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
> 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.
>
> So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
> checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something
> that disturbed me.
>
> I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
> them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction,
> but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big
> Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
> something is going down.
>
> Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?
>
> Thanks
>
> Carl
>
> Oh.... pictures of the pond from 2 years ago.
>
> http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com/Koi
>
> cap the K...
>
> --
> --
> http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com
>

Nedra Sucks

January 12th 05, 05:44 PM

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:52:18 -0800, Carl Beyer
> wrote:

>===<>I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
>===<>going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
>===<>45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.
>===<>
>===<>So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
>===<>checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something
>===<>that disturbed me.
>===<>
>===<>I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
>===<>them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction,
>===<>but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big
>===<>Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
>===<>something is going down.
>===<>
>===<>Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?
>===<>
>===<>Thanks
>===<>
>===<>Carl
>===<>
>===<>Oh.... pictures of the pond from 2 years ago.
>===<>
>===<>http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com/Koi
>===<>
>===<>cap the K...

i have news for you dude, your pond is aready heading south.
Just stay tuned for the salt, etc baths and canned replies al without
knowing more. Want the best answer, go to Koiphen forums or koivet

koiphen.com
koivet.com

Thats where the serious folks and professionals hang and will be happy
to help you with "Correct" info.......instead of a bunch of couch /
keyboard diagnosticians.

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Benign Vanilla

January 12th 05, 05:45 PM

"Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> i have news for you dude, your pond is aready heading south.
> Just stay tuned for the salt, etc baths and canned replies al without
> knowing more. Want the best answer, go to Koiphen forums or koivet
>
> koiphen.com
> koivet.com
>
> Thats where the serious folks and professionals hang and will be happy
> to help you with "Correct" info.......instead of a bunch of couch /
> keyboard diagnosticians.
<snip>

I agree Roy...go there. And stay there.

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

Nedra Sucks

January 12th 05, 05:46 PM

See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich
treatment without even seeing what those white spots
are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At
east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem
and a more detailed description on the probems.
Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you!

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 11:23:00 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
>===<>> going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
>===<>> 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.
>===<>>
>===<>> So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
>===<>> checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something
>===<>> that disturbed me.
>===<>>
>===<>> I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
>===<>> them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction,
>===<>> but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big
>===<>> Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
>===<>> something is going down.
>===<>>
>===<>> Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?
>===<><snip>
>===<>
>===<>White spots? Sounds like Ich. If so, here are some products at PetSmart that
>===<>may be able to help diagnose (read the labels) and if it is Ich, help cure
>===<>it...
>===<>
>===<>Kordon Prevent Ich Fish Disease Inhibitor and Preventative,
>===<>http://ihmp.net/@/m
>===<>Kordon Ich Inhibitor, http://ihmp.net/@/wf
>===<>Kordon Aquarium Rid Ich Preventative, http://ihmp.net/@/om

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Benign Vanilla Pudding

January 12th 05, 06:04 PM

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 12:45:48 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
...
>===<><snip>
>===<>> i have news for you dude, your pond is aready heading south.
>===<>> Just stay tuned for the salt, etc baths and canned replies al without
>===<>> knowing more. Want the best answer, go to Koiphen forums or koivet
>===<>>
>===<>> koiphen.com
>===<>> koivet.com
>===<>>
>===<>> Thats where the serious folks and professionals hang and will be happy
>===<>> to help you with "Correct" info.......instead of a bunch of couch /
>===<>> keyboard diagnosticians.
>===<><snip>
>===<>
>===<>I agree Roy...go there. And stay there.

Say what dude.......when you start paying my ISP fee's maybe I will
take some advice from you. Until then I think not.

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Benign Vanilla

January 12th 05, 06:22 PM

"Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
...
> See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich
> treatment without even seeing what those white spots
> are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At
> east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem
> and a more detailed description on the probems.
> Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you!

Read my post again. I said it sounds like. And then I suggested some
products that may provide diagnosis information on the bottles.

And by all means, please do killfile me. I am quite happy with that
response.

<snip>
> >===<>White spots? Sounds like Ich. If so, here are some products at
PetSmart that
> >===<>may be able to help diagnose (read the labels) and if it is Ich,
help cure
> >===<>it...
> >===<>
> >===<>Kordon Prevent Ich Fish Disease Inhibitor and Preventative,
> >===<>http://ihmp.net/@/m
> >===<>Kordon Ich Inhibitor, http://ihmp.net/@/wf
> >===<>Kordon Aquarium Rid Ich Preventative, http://ihmp.net/@/om
<snip>

Derek Broughton

January 12th 05, 06:45 PM

Roy wrote:

>>===<>
>>===<>I agree Roy...go there. And stay there.
>
> Say what dude.......when you start paying my ISP fee's maybe I will
> take some advice from you. Until then I think not.

Why don't you tell us who you are, we'll talk to your ISP, and guess what?
You won't have any ISP fees anymore.

Oh, never mind, look:
>

and even better your posts even include a link for me to
. I gotta try that!

Please, everybody take the time to complain. Don't forget to send a copy of
one or more of his news postings with all headers - they need the routing
to figure his IP address. Then they just need to see who was logged in to
that IP at the time.

You know, Roy, there are ways to harrass newsgroups where you can't get
caught. What a noob.
--
derek

~ Windsong ~

January 12th 05, 06:51 PM

"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
> I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
> going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
> 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.
========================
Can you describe the white spots in more detail? Are they tiny? Are they
fuzzy? Also, why is such a small pond so overcrowded when all you need do
is net some out and give them away?
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~ Windsong ~

January 12th 05, 06:54 PM

"Benign Vanilla Pudding" > wrote in message
...
> Say what dude.......when you start paying my ISP fee's maybe I will
> take some advice from you. Until then I think not.

=========== Joann add snipped.

Just curious, but why are you still advertising for Joann and the people who
bought her business? Are you aware it's being added to each of your posts?
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Cichlidiot

January 12th 05, 08:02 PM

Carl Beyer > wrote:
> I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
> going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
> 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.

> So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
> checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something
> that disturbed me.

> I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
> them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction,
> but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big
> Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
> something is going down.

> Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?

First off, have you taken any measurements of the water parameters? With
the volume of rain received all over CA (and man it's been a bear hasn't
it?) this could have wildly changed the pH, KH, GH, etc in your pond. This
would stress the fish which would leave them vulnerable to disease. As for
those theorizing ich, ich does not come out of nowhere, so if it really is
ich, you've probably had the parasites present in the pond (ich can
survive at low levels in the gills of otherwise healthy appearing fish
according to what I've read) unless these mosquito fish were added
recently. The potentially wild changes in water parameters from all the
rain could have stressed the fish causing such a latent infection to
explode into fishy epidemic proportions.

Which brings us to the "what to do" point. Well, first off one needs to
positively identify what is going on. Pictures would certainly help in
that regards as written word is by nature somewhat nebulous and
subjective. For example, your concept of "spot" might be completely
different than mine. Let's focus on ich since others have suggested in. In
ich, the spots are about the size of a grain of salt and randomly
distributed over the body of the fish. The fish might also show other
signs such as flashing and rubbing or clamped fins. Fungal issues will
have much larger spots, usually with a cottony appearance. Velvet
infection will be much finer spots (sugar sized or smaller) and tend to be
most noticed on the head, as well as clustered together in groups/patches.
Velvet can also have a bit of a yellowish look to it under certain light.
Bacterial and/or slime coat problems can also present as large spots of
white/opaque color randomly over the body. These will often have a more
slimey appearance when compared to the cottony look of fungal infections.

Once the problem is identified, then you need to determine whether
medication is necessary or if it will just be sufficient to remedy any
water problems caused by the rain. This is often a personal call. I
personally tend to go for clean water and/or medicated food along with a
wait and see approach, but others prefer putting the affected fish in a
holding tank and medicating the water there.

Yorkshire Pudding

January 12th 05, 08:19 PM

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 17:46:41 GMT, (Nedra Sucks)
wrote:

>See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich
>treatment without even seeing what those white spots
>are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At
>east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem
>and a more detailed description on the probems.
>Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you!
>

Handbags out Girls !!!!!

YP

Roy

January 12th 05, 08:54 PM

Finally, someone besides Windsong with a little common sense that is
not shooting in the dark and shotgun treating a problem.

On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 20:02:39 +0000 (UTC), Cichlidiot
> wrote:

>===<>Carl Beyer > wrote:
>===<>> I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
>===<>> going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights are
>===<>> 45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.
>===<>
>===<>> So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
>===<>> checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw something
>===<>> that disturbed me.
>===<>
>===<>> I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
>===<>> them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no reaction,
>===<>> but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the big
>===<>> Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
>===<>> something is going down.
>===<>
>===<>> Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?
>===<>
>===<>First off, have you taken any measurements of the water parameters? With
>===<>the volume of rain received all over CA (and man it's been a bear hasn't
>===<>it?) this could have wildly changed the pH, KH, GH, etc in your pond. This
>===<>would stress the fish which would leave them vulnerable to disease. As for
>===<>those theorizing ich, ich does not come out of nowhere, so if it really is
>===<>ich, you've probably had the parasites present in the pond (ich can
>===<>survive at low levels in the gills of otherwise healthy appearing fish
>===<>according to what I've read) unless these mosquito fish were added
>===<>recently. The potentially wild changes in water parameters from all the
>===<>rain could have stressed the fish causing such a latent infection to
>===<>explode into fishy epidemic proportions.
>===<>
>===<>Which brings us to the "what to do" point. Well, first off one needs to
>===<>positively identify what is going on. Pictures would certainly help in
>===<>that regards as written word is by nature somewhat nebulous and
>===<>subjective. For example, your concept of "spot" might be completely
>===<>different than mine. Let's focus on ich since others have suggested in. In
>===<>ich, the spots are about the size of a grain of salt and randomly
>===<>distributed over the body of the fish. The fish might also show other
>===<>signs such as flashing and rubbing or clamped fins. Fungal issues will
>===<>have much larger spots, usually with a cottony appearance. Velvet
>===<>infection will be much finer spots (sugar sized or smaller) and tend to be
>===<>most noticed on the head, as well as clustered together in groups/patches.
>===<>Velvet can also have a bit of a yellowish look to it under certain light.
>===<>Bacterial and/or slime coat problems can also present as large spots of
>===<>white/opaque color randomly over the body. These will often have a more
>===<>slimey appearance when compared to the cottony look of fungal infections.
>===<>
>===<>Once the problem is identified, then you need to determine whether
>===<>medication is necessary or if it will just be sufficient to remedy any
>===<>water problems caused by the rain. This is often a personal call. I
>===<>personally tend to go for clean water and/or medicated food along with a
>===<>wait and see approach, but others prefer putting the affected fish in a
>===<>holding tank and medicating the water there.

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Carl Beyer

January 12th 05, 10:52 PM

Thanks to those that offered advice. Didn't really want to get into a
flame war.... just wanted the advice.

That said, to those of you who would like a picture I would be happy to
comply if I could just get them to stop swimming ;-) You guys do ask
for a lot. I will try to get a picture up to confirm.

I put in some Melafix and some kanacyn soaked food immediately.

There has been no new fish.... just this crazy rain (crazy for us, a
light sprinkle for the rest of the world).

Glad to continue taking advice...

Carl

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Gale Pearce

January 12th 05, 11:26 PM

Actually, "Nedra Sucks", or "Roy" - (whoever) - if you are the same person
who used to post here and contribute to the group, RELAX - you were a great
person to read your thoughts on whatever was being posted here - IF you are
a troll, using an old friend's name, Get a Life and find another NG to
bother - we like the old shoe feel, along with the newbies
Gale :~)

"Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 12 Jan 2005 07:52:18 -0800, Carl Beyer
> > wrote:
>
> >===<>I have a small pond in front of my house that is overstocked. Just
> >===<>going to admit that up front. I live in SoCal, the valley. Nights
are
> >===<>45 to 50 normally. We have had a lot of rain this week.
> >===<>
> >===<>So, with all of that in mind, I looked into my pond this evening,
> >===<>checking everyone out cause I had been on holiday and I saw
something
> >===<>that disturbed me.
> >===<>
> >===<>I have a bunch (ton) of mosquito fish (bad purchase) and a number of
> >===<>them have white spots all over. None seem to be hurting, no
reaction,
> >===<>but I am worried something is about to go south in the pond. the
big
> >===<>Gold Fish and Koi are looking very, very healthy but I am worried
> >===<>something is going down.
> >===<>
> >===<>Anyone have any advice, and if needed a cure?
> >===<>
> >===<>Thanks
> >===<>
> >===<>Carl
> >===<>
> >===<>Oh.... pictures of the pond from 2 years ago.
> >===<>
> >===<>http://www.cobaltbluefilms.com/Koi
> >===<>
> >===<>cap the K...
>
>
> i have news for you dude, your pond is aready heading south.
> Just stay tuned for the salt, etc baths and canned replies al without
> knowing more. Want the best answer, go to Koiphen forums or koivet
>
> koiphen.com
> koivet.com
>
> Thats where the serious folks and professionals hang and will be happy
> to help you with "Correct" info.......instead of a bunch of couch /
> keyboard diagnosticians.
>
> REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
> Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has
retired from selling GF (and sold
> the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired
from
> helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is
best for
> diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your
fish at Dandy Orandas
> Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~ Windsong ~

January 13th 05, 03:21 AM

"Carl Beyer" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks to those that offered advice. Didn't really want to get into a
> flame war.... just wanted the advice.
>
> That said, to those of you who would like a picture I would be happy to
> comply if I could just get them to stop swimming ;-) You guys do ask
> for a lot. I will try to get a picture up to confirm.
>
> I put in some Melafix and some kanacyn soaked etc.
========================
Please don't use antibiotics unless you know they are needed. Their
overuse had created many bacteria that are now resistant and more become
resistant daily. May I suggest you cut back the number of fish in this
overcrowded pond and then do a large water change? The rain may have
drastically changed the PH from what they are used to,... from your hose.
Overcrowding is a disaster just waiting to happen, rain or no rain.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Eat Right, Exercise, Die Anyway."
~~~~~~~ }<((((((o>
"They laugh because I'm different, I laugh because they're all the same."
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Completely FREE software:
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

George

January 14th 05, 01:09 PM

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
> ...
>> See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich
>> treatment without even seeing what those white spots
>> are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At
>> east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem
>> and a more detailed description on the probems.
>> Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you!
>
> Read my post again. I said it sounds like. And then I suggested some
> products that may provide diagnosis information on the bottles.
>
> And by all means, please do killfile me. I am quite happy with that
> response.

Sounds like ick to me too. And if it is, and he has an overstocked pond, he is
going to have a lot of fun treating it. If he can isolate them and treat them
out of the pond that would be best. Ick will die if they don't have a host to
live off of, so the pond will clear itself of the parasites after a couple of
weeks if there are no fish in it to complete the life cycle. Having said that,
few ponders have the facilities to remove all of their fish at once and treat
them separately, so he is going to have to treat the entire pond. Fortunately,
the remedies for ick are well known, and relatively inexpensive. It also helps
to increase the water temperature, but that is not easy to do in a pond, so the
chemical treatment will likley have tobe done for longer than woul be necessary
if the temperature was raised. One product I know of that is effective in ponds
(and that works well without having to raise the water temperature) is ickguard.
Ick Guard quickly and effectively clears ick (white spot) without raising the
temperature of the water. It also guards against secondary infections as a
result of wounds left by the ick parasite. A 17 oz bottle treats 960 gallons of
water and costs about $9.00. The instructions say to use 1 tsp per 10 gallons.
1 cup treats 480 gallons. After 24 hours change 25% of the water and dosage may
be repeated. Do not overdose. Clean measuring device before each use. Use 1/2
strength on weak, small or scaleless fish. This product will color the water.

Carl Beyer

January 14th 05, 04:17 PM

In article <HwPFd.6218$eT5.2281@attbi_s51>,
"George" > wrote:

> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> See what I mean, now your probably sending this person for ich
> >> treatment without even seeing what those white spots
> >> are.........pityfull source of info , and you say I don;t help...At
> >> east I don't diagmnose without a proper scope and seeing the problem
> >> and a more detailed description on the probems.
> >> Keep this crap up BV and I wil have to kill file you!
> >
> > Read my post again. I said it sounds like. And then I suggested some
> > products that may provide diagnosis information on the bottles.
> >
> > And by all means, please do killfile me. I am quite happy with that
> > response.
>
> Sounds like ick to me too. And if it is, and he has an overstocked pond, he
> is
> going to have a lot of fun treating it. If he can isolate them and treat
> them
> out of the pond that would be best. Ick will die if they don't have a host
> to
> live off of, so the pond will clear itself of the parasites after a couple of
> weeks if there are no fish in it to complete the life cycle. Having said
> that,
> few ponders have the facilities to remove all of their fish at once and treat
> them separately, so he is going to have to treat the entire pond.
> Fortunately,
> the remedies for ick are well known, and relatively inexpensive. It also
> helps
> to increase the water temperature, but that is not easy to do in a pond, so
> the
> chemical treatment will likley have tobe done for longer than woul be
> necessary
> if the temperature was raised. One product I know of that is effective in
> ponds
> (and that works well without having to raise the water temperature) is
> ickguard.
> Ick Guard quickly and effectively clears ick (white spot) without raising the
> temperature of the water. It also guards against secondary infections as a
> result of wounds left by the ick parasite. A 17 oz bottle treats 960 gallons
> of
> water and costs about $9.00. The instructions say to use 1 tsp per 10
> gallons.
> 1 cup treats 480 gallons. After 24 hours change 25% of the water and dosage
> may
> be repeated. Do not overdose. Clean measuring device before each use. Use 1/2
> strength on weak, small or scaleless fish. This product will color the water.

Thanks to all for the answers. Taking a fish to the fish store for a
quick look, but the problem seems to be dissapearing with the end of the
rains...

And as for the bacteria / virus thing.. thanks for the medical lesson...

Carl

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Crashj

January 14th 05, 09:58 PM

On or about Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:22:43 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote something like:

>
>"Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
...
<TRIM CRAP>
>
<TRIM RESPONSE>
The poser " is using forged headers. Do not
respond, just forward the email to earthlink, where it came from.
--
Crashj

Roy

January 14th 05, 11:20 PM

Ok clown pllease describe what a forged header is......I can have
anything I darn well please as a emai address or user name. Earthlink
makes no requirement for any bona fide info when utilizing anything
other than your account on their net, what you use for a user name or
email addy or anything else is up to the person....And here I thought
you were the so caled wizzard of posting and requirements on the
internet.........just shows you how you can al pretend to be someone
your really not...........maybe tomorrow I will log in as a
Doctor..........or maybe a big shot lawyer and give free legal
advice..........or maybe even a so caled reguar on rec.ponds and feed
folks a line of malarky like you do! Kill file me dude, go for
it.......

Maybe you need to try sending and emai to nedrasucks@msn and see if it
goes thorugh.........may very well surprise you!

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:58:38 GMT, Crashj
> wrote:

>===<>On or about Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:22:43 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote something like:
>===<>
>===<>>
>===<>>"Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
...
>===<><TRIM CRAP>
>===<>>
>===<><TRIM RESPONSE>
>===<>The poser " is using forged headers. Do not
>===<>respond, just forward the email to earthlink, where it came from.

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

~ jan JJsPond.us

January 15th 05, 12:28 AM

I'll mention it, even though I know Roy is gonna make fun of it.

SALT works great on ick even at cold temps. 0.3%. I had a stock tank last
winter full of fantail babies, most moors. I told hubby to give it only 30
minutes max with the stock tank heater if it began to ice up. Of course he
turned it on and forgot to turn it off, and with the cheap wonky
thermostats it warmed the water up into the 40s and that night we had a
very cold snap and the next day I had black moors with tiny white polka-
dots.<s> I salted and all but one little guy came out of it fine. The
little guy needed to come inside and be heated up and he's be inside ever
since. He/she's got really long fins & tails and just would not do well
outside, imo, anyway. ~ jan

Okay Roy, give it your best shot. ;o)

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

Roy

January 15th 05, 04:42 AM

Great Day in the morning, such nonsense!
Thats it, your kill filed!.............no not realy JJ..;-)
Why should I make fun of it, its an appropriate treatment. I would
have cautioned though that if it does not work just be careful of
what else you may try as everything does not get along with salt......

On Fri, 14 Jan 2005 16:28:32 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>===<>I'll mention it, even though I know Roy is gonna make fun of it.
>===<>
>===<>SALT works great on ick even at cold temps. 0.3%. I had a stock tank last
>===<>winter full of fantail babies, most moors. I told hubby to give it only 30
>===<>minutes max with the stock tank heater if it began to ice up. Of course he
>===<>turned it on and forgot to turn it off, and with the cheap wonky
>===<>thermostats it warmed the water up into the 40s and that night we had a
>===<>very cold snap and the next day I had black moors with tiny white polka-
>===<>dots.<s> I salted and all but one little guy came out of it fine. The
>===<>little guy needed to come inside and be heated up and he's be inside ever
>===<>since. He/she's got really long fins & tails and just would not do well
>===<>outside, imo, anyway. ~ jan
>===<>
>===<>Okay Roy, give it your best shot. ;o)
>===<>
>===<>
>===<> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Benign Vanilla

January 15th 05, 05:31 AM

"Crashj" > wrote in message
...
> On or about Wed, 12 Jan 2005 13:22:43 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> > wrote something like:
>
> >
> >"Nedra Sucks" > wrote in message
> ...
> <TRIM CRAP>
> >
> <TRIM RESPONSE>
> The poser " is using forged headers. Do not
> respond, just forward the email to earthlink, where it came from.

They don't care...just ignore him, and he'll troll himself over to another
group.

--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

Roy

January 15th 05, 12:22 PM

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:31:42 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote:

snip
>===<>They don't care...just ignore him, and he'll troll himself over to another
>===<>group.

I seriously doubt that!

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

REBEL JOE

January 15th 05, 03:46 PM

Anyone who don't like Nedra is a dork Don't mind him BV he ain't worth
it.

http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

January 15th 05, 04:29 PM

Roy wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:31:42 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> > wrote:
>
> snip
>>===<>They don't care...just ignore him, and he'll troll himself over to another
>>===<>group.
>
> I serious<SPNAK>

Shuttup.
--
ah

Flipper

January 15th 05, 06:15 PM

Does "ah" stand for "a hemorhoid" ? Curious minds want to
know........Its been quiet, so do we want to stir the pot some? Go for
it dude, I am always wiling and ready to take on a hemorhoid like you
or anyone else! If ya feel froggy jump dude or dudette, whichever the
case may be!

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:29:00 GMT, ah > wrote:

>===<>Roy wrote:
>===<>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:31:42 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
>===<>> > wrote:
>===<>>
>===<>> snip
>===<>>>===<>They don't care...just ignore him, and he'll troll himself over to another
>===<>>>===<>group.
>===<>>
>===<>> I serious<SPNAK>
>===<>
>===<>Shuttup.

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Roy

January 15th 05, 06:42 PM

Been looking in the mirrow again huh Joe? You sort of remind me of a
real DORK..........and that pond, and pic quaity is, well,
indescribeable.................Then again waht woud you expect for a
WEBTV Dork!

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 10:46:17 -0500, (REBEL JOE)
wrote:

>===<>Anyone who don't like Nedra is a dork Don't mind him BV he ain't worth
>===<>it.
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Roy

January 15th 05, 06:43 PM

Still squeaking along huh hemorhoid?

On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:29:00 GMT, ah > wrote:

>===<>Roy wrote:
>===<>> On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:31:42 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
>===<>> > wrote:
>===<>>
>===<>> snip
>===<>>>===<>They don't care...just ignore him, and he'll troll himself over to another
>===<>>>===<>group.
>===<>>
>===<>> I serious<SPNAK>
>===<>
>===<>Shuttup.

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Sooooooooooooooooolow to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS