flame angel compatible?

[Billy]

Given the information listed below, can I get a few comments on the
compatability of a flame angel in this system?


75usg reef, total water volume about 100 gallons.
80lbs fiji LR
600 gph sump return
30 gallon sump\fuge w\ LR and macro
Euroreef ES5-2
PC 65x3 10,000k
PC 65x3 actinic

1 yellow tang
1 six-line wrasse
1 mandarin goby
1 small percula clown
1 arrow crab
1 green brittle star
1 chocolate chip star (in sump, the little ba**ard)

assorted blueleg hermits
assorted snails

1 white sebae anemone
3 green\purple polyp colonies
1 green ricordia
1 purple acro

temp 80f
ph 8.2
cal 500
alk (bit low, crappy red sea test) fixed.
NH3, NO2, NO3 0,0,0
PO4 zero


Many thanks.


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[Marc Levenson]

Yes. ;)

Marc


Billy wrote:

> Given the information listed below, can I get a few comments on the
> compatability of a flame angel in this system?
>
>
> 75usg reef, total water volume about 100 gallons.
> 80lbs fiji LR
> 600 gph sump return
> 30 gallon sump\fuge w\ LR and macro
> Euroreef ES5-2
> PC 65x3 10,000k
> PC 65x3 actinic
>
> 1 yellow tang
> 1 six-line wrasse
> 1 mandarin goby
> 1 small percula clown
> 1 arrow crab
> 1 green brittle star
> 1 chocolate chip star (in sump, the little ba**ard)
>
> assorted blueleg hermits
> assorted snails
>
> 1 white sebae anemone
> 3 green\purple polyp colonies
> 1 green ricordia
> 1 purple acro
>
> temp 80f
> ph 8.2
> cal 500
> alk (bit low, crappy red sea test) fixed.
> NH3, NO2, NO3 0,0,0
> PO4 zero
>
>
> Many thanks.
>
>

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[Mark Elliott]

My flame angel isn't too impressed with my clown fish in a 100 gal. They've
been together years, but I suspect neither really wants to share a tank with
the other, probably because of the fact they are roughly the same colour.
The clown got there first (I've had it it over 15 years) and is quite large,
I suspect that if I'd put a small clown into a tank containing the flame
angel the angel would have killed it, so you might want to watch that
combination.

Personally, I'd skip the clown because they can get rather too friendly with
some anemones (especially whilst the anemone is trying to find a good
location). But if it's there already and not too big you should be OK.

Mark

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
. com...
> Yes. ;)
>
> Marc
>
>
> Billy wrote:
>
>> Given the information listed below, can I get a few comments on the
>> compatability of a flame angel in this system?
>>
>>
>> 75usg reef, total water volume about 100 gallons.
>> 80lbs fiji LR
>> 600 gph sump return
>> 30 gallon sump\fuge w\ LR and macro
>> Euroreef ES5-2
>> PC 65x3 10,000k
>> PC 65x3 actinic
>>
>> 1 yellow tang
>> 1 six-line wrasse
>> 1 mandarin goby
>> 1 small percula clown
>> 1 arrow crab
>> 1 green brittle star
>> 1 chocolate chip star (in sump, the little ba**ard)
>>
>> assorted blueleg hermits
>> assorted snails
>>
>> 1 white sebae anemone
>> 3 green\purple polyp colonies
>> 1 green ricordia
>> 1 purple acro
>>
>> temp 80f
>> ph 8.2
>> cal 500
>> alk (bit low, crappy red sea test) fixed.
>> NH3, NO2, NO3 0,0,0
>> PO4 zero
>>
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>
>>
>
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[Billy]

Hmm. Are you saying 'yes, I can get comments', or 'yes, I can add a
flame angel.'?

:)


"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
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| Yes. ;)
|

[Marc Levenson]

Yes, you can add a flame angel to that list of reeflings.

Just remember that is it 50/50 when it comes to Dwarf Angels
and clams.

And then there is the issue of the Flame Angel living. They
have a reputation for being absolutely fine, eating and
swimming, but on Day 14 they suddenly die. If yours lives
that long, you are almost home-free. The next hurdle is 2
months. After that, you can enjoy the fish with no worries.

My belief is that the ones that die on Day 14 are caught
with cyanide and the poisoning takes that long before the
fish suddenly dies.

I love Flame Angels, and have had mine for about 2 years I
think. Maybe longer. Our former club president had a tank
with a harem of Flames, and to see 6 of them swirling around
at feeding time was A W E S O M E!

Marc


Billy wrote:

> Hmm. Are you saying 'yes, I can get comments', or 'yes, I can add a
> flame angel.'?
>
> :)
>
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> . com...
> | Yes. ;)
> |
>
>

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Billy > wrote:


> All critters listed are already present, and it's only the angel I'm
> considering. I have been researching for a couple weeks, and some
> reliable resources, (like Marc) say sure, while others, like 'The
> Concientious Marine Aquarist' imply rather strongly that flames are
> not suitable for tanks containing corals and inverts. My struggle
> continues...

They'll be fine. It's more an individual fish problem, than a species
problem. In fact, I have a half-black, flame, coral beauty, and bicolor,
and none of them bother the corals.

Mike

[Billy]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
m...
| Yes, you can add a flame angel to that list of reeflings.

Thanks:)

|
| Just remember that is it 50/50 when it comes to Dwarf Angels
| and clams.

Another thing dragging me back. I'd like to get a tridnacnid clam
eventually. I'm just going to have to get another tank. That's all
there is to it.

|
| And then there is the issue of the Flame Angel living. They

I've read of this, and have been working very hard to keep my system
stable in anticipation of this. I'd like to remove aquarist error
from the equation.:)


||
| My belief is that the ones that die on Day 14 are caught
| with cyanide and the poisoning takes that long before the
| fish suddenly dies.

Again, something I've read about, and I was terrified to learn that
it's happening in places other than the Phillipines, where it
apparently started. My "source" for fish doesn't buy anything that
came from the Phillipines, but it's getting really hard in general to
find healthy fish, depending on the species.
|
| I love Flame Angels, and have had mine for about 2 years I
| think. Maybe longer. Our former club president had a tank
| with a harem of Flames, and to see 6 of them swirling around
| at feeding time was A W E S O M E!
|

Sounds fantastic!! How large a tank was required for these?

[Marc Levenson]

The harem was in a big tank, something like a 150g I guess.
I was a custom cube, and there was a shoal in the center
that the reef was built upon, and the Flame Angels were
hiding in the caves. Brad dropped in some flake food, and
all this color can flying out of the reef rock. It was very
cool. Wish I had my camera back then.

Marc


Billy wrote:

> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> m...
> | Yes, you can add a flame angel to that list of reeflings.
>
> Thanks:)
>
> |
> | Just remember that is it 50/50 when it comes to Dwarf Angels
> | and clams.
>
> Another thing dragging me back. I'd like to get a tridnacnid clam
> eventually. I'm just going to have to get another tank. That's all
> there is to it.
>
> |
> | And then there is the issue of the Flame Angel living. They
>
> I've read of this, and have been working very hard to keep my system
> stable in anticipation of this. I'd like to remove aquarist error
> from the equation.:)
>
>
> ||
> | My belief is that the ones that die on Day 14 are caught
> | with cyanide and the poisoning takes that long before the
> | fish suddenly dies.
>
> Again, something I've read about, and I was terrified to learn that
> it's happening in places other than the Phillipines, where it
> apparently started. My "source" for fish doesn't buy anything that
> came from the Phillipines, but it's getting really hard in general to
> find healthy fish, depending on the species.
> |
> | I love Flame Angels, and have had mine for about 2 years I
> | think. Maybe longer. Our former club president had a tank
> | with a harem of Flames, and to see 6 of them swirling around
> | at feeding time was A W E S O M E!
> |
>
> Sounds fantastic!! How large a tank was required for these?
>
>

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[Mark Elliott]

I've just checked - I 've had my Flame Angel since 7th January 2001, and all
that time it has not attacked any coral or clams. You should be fine.

Mark

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
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> The harem was in a big tank, something like a 150g I guess. I was a custom
> cube, and there was a shoal in the center that the reef was built upon,
> and the Flame Angels were hiding in the caves. Brad dropped in some flake
> food, and all this color can flying out of the reef rock. It was very
> cool. Wish I had my camera back then.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Billy wrote:
>
>> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
>> m...
>> | Yes, you can add a flame angel to that list of reeflings.
>>
>> Thanks:)
>>
>> |
>> | Just remember that is it 50/50 when it comes to Dwarf Angels
>> | and clams.
>>
>> Another thing dragging me back. I'd like to get a tridnacnid clam
>> eventually. I'm just going to have to get another tank. That's all there
>> is to it.
>>
>> |
>> | And then there is the issue of the Flame Angel living. They
>>
>> I've read of this, and have been working very hard to keep my system
>> stable in anticipation of this. I'd like to remove aquarist error from
>> the equation.:)
>>
>>
>> ||
>> | My belief is that the ones that die on Day 14 are caught
>> | with cyanide and the poisoning takes that long before the
>> | fish suddenly dies.
>>
>> Again, something I've read about, and I was terrified to learn that it's
>> happening in places other than the Phillipines, where it apparently
>> started. My "source" for fish doesn't buy anything that came from the
>> Phillipines, but it's getting really hard in general to find healthy
>> fish, depending on the species.
>> |
>> | I love Flame Angels, and have had mine for about 2 years I
>> | think. Maybe longer. Our former club president had a tank
>> | with a harem of Flames, and to see 6 of them swirling around
>> | at feeding time was A W E S O M E!
>> |
>>
>> Sounds fantastic!! How large a tank was required for these?
>
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Billy > wrote:

> | Just remember that is it 50/50 when it comes to Dwarf Angels
> | and clams.

> Another thing dragging me back. I'd like to get a tridnacnid clam
> eventually. I'm just going to have to get another tank. That's all
> there is to it.

I have 2 clams, 4 angels. So far, so good.

> | And then there is the issue of the Flame Angel living. They

> I've read of this, and have been working very hard to keep my system
> stable in anticipation of this. I'd like to remove aquarist error
> from the equation.:)

Make sure you buy from a dealer you trust. Ask his/her advice on each
individual fish.

Mike

[John D. Maag]

There are only two issue you need to worry about: Some corals which the
falme will be interested in and another dwarf angel. You seem to have
neither.

I say go for it.