An invitation to Coldwaterfish (mailing list)

[Tidepool Geek]

Greetings,

While r.a.m.r. is an outstanding resource for general information as well as
reef specific material it has no mandate to deal with the special challenges
of keeping temperate and cold water species.

For those of you whose interest might lie in chillier waters, please
consider joining the Coldwaterfish mailing list. We've been in existence for
about four years now and draw most of our membership from the Pacific
Northwest coast of North America (Washington, Oregon, & Alaska mainly).
Discussion topics range from the normal aquarium stuff like feeding and
water maintenance to more narrowly focused topics like heavy duty chilling,
collection techniques, and even coordinating dive trips among our
membership.

So, if you're a cold water lurker in this newsgroup please feel free to
check us out at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coldwaterfish/

BTW: I may repeat this invitation at sometime in the future, but I
absolutely promise to wait at least a month before doing so (unlike some I
could mention).


Frigidly yours,

TPG

[Pszemol]

"Tidepool Geek" > wrote in message ...
> While r.a.m.r. is an outstanding resource for general information as well as
> reef specific material it has no mandate to deal with the special challenges
> of keeping temperate and cold water species.

What about news:rec.aquaria.marine ?
Isn't it a good place for such discussions ?

[Rich R]

Thanks for the Invite, I like the extra groups with more information. The
more the better!!!!

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"Tidepool Geek" > wrote in message
...
> Greetings,
>
> While r.a.m.r. is an outstanding resource for general information as well
> as reef specific material it has no mandate to deal with the special
> challenges of keeping temperate and cold water species.
>
> For those of you whose interest might lie in chillier waters, please
> consider joining the Coldwaterfish mailing list. We've been in existence
> for about four years now and draw most of our membership from the Pacific
> Northwest coast of North America (Washington, Oregon, & Alaska mainly).
> Discussion topics range from the normal aquarium stuff like feeding and
> water maintenance to more narrowly focused topics like heavy duty
> chilling, collection techniques, and even coordinating dive trips among
> our membership.
>
> So, if you're a cold water lurker in this newsgroup please feel free to
> check us out at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coldwaterfish/
>
> BTW: I may repeat this invitation at sometime in the future, but I
> absolutely promise to wait at least a month before doing so (unlike some I
> could mention).
>
>
> Frigidly yours,
>
> TPG
>

[Tidepool Geek]

"Pszemol" > wrote

>> While r.a.m.r. is an outstanding resource for general information as well
>> as reef specific material it has no mandate to deal with the special
>> challenges of keeping temperate and cold water species.
>
> What about news:rec.aquaria.marine ?
> Isn't it a good place for such discussions ?

Hi Pszemol,

I subscribe to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs & rec.aquaria.marine.misc and have
for some time (several years on r.a.m.r). I'm a recent subscriber to
rec.aquaria.marine.tech. In my memory none of those fora have had threads
concerning cold water aquarium keeping. My server doesn't seem to carry
rec.aquaria.marine so I just did a Google search of the rec.aquaria.marine
hierarchy on the following terms: cold, temperate, & "cold water" - there
were zero relevant hits. I then did a Google searches on Anthopleura &
Metridium which are the genus names for the two of the most common anemones
in cold water environs. [Anthopleura are mainly North Pacific species while
Metridium is pretty much everywhere the water is cold.] This time I got a
total of 12 hits but virtually none of them were really concerned with cold
water aquarium keeping and the most recent was more than two years old. BTW:
All 12 hits were from r.a.m.r. The only other cold water related thread that
I can recall is one from about a year and a half ago (also on r.a.m.r.) in
which you inquired about putting the quasi cold water species Crassostrea
gigas (Pacific Oyster) into a tropical tank; how did that work out?

FWIW: In looking at rec.aquaria.marine via Google it appears to be a pretty
inactive group with a low signal to noise(spam) ratio.

So, what this tells me is that, while it might be nice to have such
discussions on an existing newsgroup, coldwater aquariums are not presently
a part of the conversation. Further, the Coldwaterfish list has, as I
mentioned earlier, been in existence for four years now; hardly what you'd
call a 'Johnny come lately'!

In any case, if you prefer to discuss cold water husbandry on one of the
existing newsgroups, please do so. I never intended to coerce you or anyone
else to join our list, but merely to inform you of its existence.

BTW: I should have mentioned this in my earlier post but forgot. As
configured, membership in Coldwaterfish is subject to prior approval by the
list owner. It's just a routine process to help keep the spammers at bay but
it does cause a delay between when you sign up and when you're able to post.

Since I've sort of broken my promise about not promoting the list for at
least a month by posting this message, I will now shut the h*ll up for at
least two months.


Defensively yours,

TPG

[Marc Levenson]

I don't see the issue. I actually saw two cold-water tanks
at MACNA this year, and posted some images of those on my
MACNA page.

http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/macna16/

Look on the Aquariums page.

Marc


Tidepool Geek wrote:

> "Pszemol" > wrote
>
>
>>>While r.a.m.r. is an outstanding resource for general information as well
>>>as reef specific material it has no mandate to deal with the special
>>>challenges of keeping temperate and cold water species.
>>
>>What about news:rec.aquaria.marine ?
>>Isn't it a good place for such discussions ?
>
>
> Hi Pszemol,
>
> I subscribe to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs & rec.aquaria.marine.misc and have
> for some time (several years on r.a.m.r). I'm a recent subscriber to
> rec.aquaria.marine.tech. In my memory none of those fora have had threads
> concerning cold water aquarium keeping. My server doesn't seem to carry
> rec.aquaria.marine so I just did a Google search of the rec.aquaria.marine
> hierarchy on the following terms: cold, temperate, & "cold water" - there
> were zero relevant hits. I then did a Google searches on Anthopleura &
> Metridium which are the genus names for the two of the most common anemones
> in cold water environs. [Anthopleura are mainly North Pacific species while
> Metridium is pretty much everywhere the water is cold.] This time I got a
> total of 12 hits but virtually none of them were really concerned with cold
> water aquarium keeping and the most recent was more than two years old. BTW:
> All 12 hits were from r.a.m.r. The only other cold water related thread that
> I can recall is one from about a year and a half ago (also on r.a.m.r.) in
> which you inquired about putting the quasi cold water species Crassostrea
> gigas (Pacific Oyster) into a tropical tank; how did that work out?
>
> FWIW: In looking at rec.aquaria.marine via Google it appears to be a pretty
> inactive group with a low signal to noise(spam) ratio.
>
> So, what this tells me is that, while it might be nice to have such
> discussions on an existing newsgroup, coldwater aquariums are not presently
> a part of the conversation. Further, the Coldwaterfish list has, as I
> mentioned earlier, been in existence for four years now; hardly what you'd
> call a 'Johnny come lately'!
>
> In any case, if you prefer to discuss cold water husbandry on one of the
> existing newsgroups, please do so. I never intended to coerce you or anyone
> else to join our list, but merely to inform you of its existence.
>
> BTW: I should have mentioned this in my earlier post but forgot. As
> configured, membership in Coldwaterfish is subject to prior approval by the
> list owner. It's just a routine process to help keep the spammers at bay but
> it does cause a delay between when you sign up and when you're able to post.
>
> Since I've sort of broken my promise about not promoting the list for at
> least a month by posting this message, I will now shut the h*ll up for at
> least two months.
>
>
> Defensively yours,
>
> TPG
>
>

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[Billy]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
. com...
|I don't see the issue. I actually saw two cold-water tanks
| at MACNA this year, and posted some images of those on my
| MACNA page.
|
| http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/macna16/
|
|

Dangit, every time I find a set of pics you've taken that I haven't
seen before, I lose an hour somehow......

[Pszemol]

"Tidepool Geek" > wrote in message ...
> I subscribe to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs & rec.aquaria.marine.misc and have
> for some time (several years on r.a.m.r). I'm a recent subscriber to
> rec.aquaria.marine.tech. In my memory none of those fora have had threads
> concerning cold water aquarium keeping.

Then start one yourself! What is stopping you ? ;-)
I am sure there will be no coldwater thread on your
new mailing list before someone actualy creates one...
Bring your guys to rec.aquaria.marine and start writing!
Bump up this info to noise ratio :-)

> All 12 hits were from r.a.m.r. The only other cold water related thread that
> I can recall is one from about a year and a half ago (also on r.a.m.r.) in
> which you inquired about putting the quasi cold water species Crassostrea
> gigas (Pacific Oyster) into a tropical tank; how did that work out?

See - there was no thread about the oysters - so I have created one! :-)

The oysters lived for a while, but I have overfed the tank with dead
phytoplankton and run into water quality problems. The tank was populated
with macroalgae and they also run out of controll - to make long story
short I had to go for a business trip lasting 5 days and did not
instruct family how to care for them correctly - all big Pacific ones
died when I got back. There were two small Japanese ones left alive
but due to the water quality problems in their tank I decide to
transfer them into my reef tank and they were too often bothered
by my hermit crabs and shrimps. As a result they stay closed for
a month or two, almost not feeding at all, and one day I noticed my
Lysmata shrimps pulling pieces of oyster meet from a gaping shell :-(

Basically, I would say from my experiment, the species of oysters
I tried are not very picky about the temperatures in normal tropical
reef tanks. Feeding them and other animals picking on them are much
more of a problem from what I found out... I saw shells growing,
not calcerous as the ones created in the nature, but they were ok.
They did not show up decrease in health when the water quality was good.
Since the experiment did not last long I cannot tell how the
temperature influenced other factors of their lives...
I was worried for too low oxygen levels, too high metabolism levels,
nothing like this was really a problem, they seem to be happy, as
the oyster can show it is happy ;-)

I will probably decide to buy some oysters again, this time in
my local Jewel-Osco groceries - I have noticed they carry live
oysters, clams and scallops. This time I will buy them in same
quantities just to keep them as the plankton creators for
the main reef. I read about induced spawning of ripe oysters
and it looks they produce milions of eggs per animal - and
these eggs are very nutritious meal for filter feeders...
The idea I got from the LFS, their frozen food section:
they had frozen oyster eggs on sale as a food for $24 per
small can... It looked much overpriced and I will try to produce
such food for myself.

> Further, the Coldwaterfish list has, as I mentioned earlier,
> been in existence for four years now; hardly what you'd
> call a 'Johnny come lately'!

The thing is that while usenet was always quite popular, private
groups on yahoo are quite hidden somewhere out there... :-)
I have never hard about your group before - maybe it is
my fault for not looking hard enough ;-)

> In any case, if you prefer to discuss cold water husbandry on one of the
> existing newsgroups, please do so. I never intended to coerce you or anyone
> else to join our list, but merely to inform you of its existence.

I think I will visit your yahoo group, but mailing list is rather not my thing.
Do you all plan to move there from yahoo ?

> Since I've sort of broken my promise about not promoting the list for at
> least a month by posting this message, I will now shut the h*ll up for at
> least two months.

I would mind if you advertised tennis shoes here...
But the subject of fish keeping like this one ?
I am sure you are more than welcomed here...

[Marc Levenson]

LOL.

;)

Marc


Billy wrote:

> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> . com...
> |I don't see the issue. I actually saw two cold-water tanks
> | at MACNA this year, and posted some images of those on my
> | MACNA page.
> |
> | http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/macna16/
> |
> |
>
> Dangit, every time I find a set of pics you've taken that I haven't
> seen before, I lose an hour somehow......
>
>

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[Pszemol]

"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message . com...
>I don't see the issue. I actually saw two cold-water tanks
> at MACNA this year, and posted some images of those on my
> MACNA page.
>
> http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/macna16/
>
> Look on the Aquariums page.

This is good... maybe some retailers will pick up the
wave and get into the cold-water animals retail business... ;-)

[Rich R]

well lets put it this way
http://www.melevsreef.com
gives us a tons of great information, in fact I come here somtimes just to
get his link when I forget it or reformat, also I have a forum and I love it
..I just love the hobbie,Man I love the internet police. its not like Im
posting pictures of nudes and lieing ,its a hobbie and this is for
information. you guys and girls supply a great amount of information. but I
still go to other sites for information.

www.reeftanksonline.com
www.nydiver.com
ONLINE meeting rooms



"Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
. com...
>I don't see the issue. I actually saw two cold-water tanks at MACNA this
>year, and posted some images of those on my MACNA page.
>
> http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/macna16/
>
> Look on the Aquariums page.
>
> Marc
>
>
> Tidepool Geek wrote:
>
>> "Pszemol" > wrote
>>
>>
>>>>While r.a.m.r. is an outstanding resource for general information as
>>>>well as reef specific material it has no mandate to deal with the
>>>>special challenges of keeping temperate and cold water species.
>>>
>>>What about news:rec.aquaria.marine ?
>>>Isn't it a good place for such discussions ?
>>
>>
>> Hi Pszemol,
>>
>> I subscribe to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs & rec.aquaria.marine.misc and
>> have for some time (several years on r.a.m.r). I'm a recent subscriber to
>> rec.aquaria.marine.tech. In my memory none of those fora have had threads
>> concerning cold water aquarium keeping. My server doesn't seem to carry
>> rec.aquaria.marine so I just did a Google search of the
>> rec.aquaria.marine hierarchy on the following terms: cold, temperate, &
>> "cold water" - there were zero relevant hits. I then did a Google
>> searches on Anthopleura & Metridium which are the genus names for the two
>> of the most common anemones in cold water environs. [Anthopleura are
>> mainly North Pacific species while Metridium is pretty much everywhere
>> the water is cold.] This time I got a total of 12 hits but virtually none
>> of them were really concerned with cold water aquarium keeping and the
>> most recent was more than two years old. BTW: All 12 hits were from
>> r.a.m.r. The only other cold water related thread that I can recall is
>> one from about a year and a half ago (also on r.a.m.r.) in which you
>> inquired about putting the quasi cold water species Crassostrea gigas
>> (Pacific Oyster) into a tropical tank; how did that work out?
>>
>> FWIW: In looking at rec.aquaria.marine via Google it appears to be a
>> pretty inactive group with a low signal to noise(spam) ratio.
>>
>> So, what this tells me is that, while it might be nice to have such
>> discussions on an existing newsgroup, coldwater aquariums are not
>> presently a part of the conversation. Further, the Coldwaterfish list
>> has, as I mentioned earlier, been in existence for four years now; hardly
>> what you'd call a 'Johnny come lately'!
>>
>> In any case, if you prefer to discuss cold water husbandry on one of the
>> existing newsgroups, please do so. I never intended to coerce you or
>> anyone else to join our list, but merely to inform you of its existence.
>>
>> BTW: I should have mentioned this in my earlier post but forgot. As
>> configured, membership in Coldwaterfish is subject to prior approval by
>> the list owner. It's just a routine process to help keep the spammers at
>> bay but it does cause a delay between when you sign up and when you're
>> able to post.
>>
>> Since I've sort of broken my promise about not promoting the list for at
>> least a month by posting this message, I will now shut the h*ll up for at
>> least two months.
>>
>>
>> Defensively yours,
>>
>> TPG
>
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> Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
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>
>

[Marc Levenson]

Rich, at this point if you can remember Melev and type it in
Google, my site comes up pretty close to the top of the list.

Hey, I just checked, and it was the first link you get! And
my 280g thread on Reef Central was the fourth link. That is
really cool!

Marc


Rich R wrote:

> well lets put it this way
> http://www.melevsreef.com
> gives us a tons of great information, in fact I come here somtimes just to
> get his link when I forget it or reformat, also I have a forum and I love it
> .I just love the hobbie,Man I love the internet police. its not like Im
> posting pictures of nudes and lieing ,its a hobbie and this is for
> information. you guys and girls supply a great amount of information. but I
> still go to other sites for information.
>
> www.reeftanksonline.com
> www.nydiver.com
> ONLINE meeting rooms
>
>
>
> "Marc Levenson" > wrote in message
> . com...
>
>>I don't see the issue. I actually saw two cold-water tanks at MACNA this
>>year, and posted some images of those on my MACNA page.
>>
>>http://www.melevsreef.com/pics/macna16/
>>
>>Look on the Aquariums page.
>>
>>Marc
>>
>>
>>Tidepool Geek wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Pszemol" > wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>While r.a.m.r. is an outstanding resource for general information as
>>>>>well as reef specific material it has no mandate to deal with the
>>>>>special challenges of keeping temperate and cold water species.
>>>>
>>>>What about news:rec.aquaria.marine ?
>>>>Isn't it a good place for such discussions ?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hi Pszemol,
>>>
>>>I subscribe to rec.aquaria.marine.reefs & rec.aquaria.marine.misc and
>>>have for some time (several years on r.a.m.r). I'm a recent subscriber to
>>>rec.aquaria.marine.tech. In my memory none of those fora have had threads
>>>concerning cold water aquarium keeping. My server doesn't seem to carry
>>>rec.aquaria.marine so I just did a Google search of the
>>>rec.aquaria.marine hierarchy on the following terms: cold, temperate, &
>>>"cold water" - there were zero relevant hits. I then did a Google
>>>searches on Anthopleura & Metridium which are the genus names for the two
>>>of the most common anemones in cold water environs. [Anthopleura are
>>>mainly North Pacific species while Metridium is pretty much everywhere
>>>the water is cold.] This time I got a total of 12 hits but virtually none
>>>of them were really concerned with cold water aquarium keeping and the
>>>most recent was more than two years old. BTW: All 12 hits were from
>>>r.a.m.r. The only other cold water related thread that I can recall is
>>>one from about a year and a half ago (also on r.a.m.r.) in which you
>>>inquired about putting the quasi cold water species Crassostrea gigas
>>>(Pacific Oyster) into a tropical tank; how did that work out?
>>>
>>>FWIW: In looking at rec.aquaria.marine via Google it appears to be a
>>>pretty inactive group with a low signal to noise(spam) ratio.
>>>
>>>So, what this tells me is that, while it might be nice to have such
>>>discussions on an existing newsgroup, coldwater aquariums are not
>>>presently a part of the conversation. Further, the Coldwaterfish list
>>>has, as I mentioned earlier, been in existence for four years now; hardly
>>>what you'd call a 'Johnny come lately'!
>>>
>>>In any case, if you prefer to discuss cold water husbandry on one of the
>>>existing newsgroups, please do so. I never intended to coerce you or
>>>anyone else to join our list, but merely to inform you of its existence.
>>>
>>>BTW: I should have mentioned this in my earlier post but forgot. As
>>>configured, membership in Coldwaterfish is subject to prior approval by
>>>the list owner. It's just a routine process to help keep the spammers at
>>>bay but it does cause a delay between when you sign up and when you're
>>>able to post.
>>>
>>>Since I've sort of broken my promise about not promoting the list for at
>>>least a month by posting this message, I will now shut the h*ll up for at
>>>least two months.
>>>
>>>
>>>Defensively yours,
>>>
>>>TPG
>>
>>--
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>>Business Page: http://www.sparklingfloorservice.com
>>Marine Hobbyist: http://www.melevsreef.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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