guppie deaths

[Craig]

hi all

i set up a community tank a few weeks ago, all is going very well. the
tank contains 6 guppies and 3 corys.

the guppies spawned alot(as guppies do) and had fry. i moved one of the
females to a fry tank (to save the fry), she dropped about 15 (first
batch i assume).

either way, the fry where fine and i moved the female back to the
community. within the next few days, i noticed that the female wasnt
eating at all.

later i realised she was "passing" blood in her waste. either way,
she was in alot of stress so i fed her to my oscar to put her out of
her misery.

i just wondered, has anyone else experienced problems with guppies dying
after giving birth and are there any ways of stopping it happening?

also, a female gave birth in the main tank (before i noticed the
signs:mad: ) so i fished out the fry that survived (about 6) and the
female was absolutly fine afterwards.

any ideas Cheers Craig



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[Fuzzy]

I had similar experence's in my old community tank days. I could never
find a reason for it. I used to chalk it up to genetic or physical
defects. As I recall, it would happen on the first time the fish had
fry. I never noticed blood, ect. Just the fish would die within a
couple days.



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[Craig]

strange.

to be fair guppies (and neon tetras) have been pushed too far in the
genetics field, i have never had a neon tetra that survived longer then
a few weeks in my tanks.

oh well, im plus 30 or so guppies, so it could be worse. i just hope she
passed on her colouring to the babies.

Peace Craig



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[C+J Tondreau]

"Craig" -DONTEMAIL> wrote in message
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> hi all
>
> i set up a community tank a few weeks ago, all is going very well. the
> tank contains 6 guppies and 3 corys.
>
> the guppies spawned alot(as guppies do) and had fry. i moved one of the
> females to a fry tank (to save the fry), she dropped about 15 (first
> batch i assume).
>
> either way, the fry where fine and i moved the female back to the
> community. within the next few days, i noticed that the female wasnt
> eating at all.
>
> later i realised she was "passing" blood in her waste. either way,
> she was in alot of stress so i fed her to my oscar to put her out of
> her misery.
>
> i just wondered, has anyone else experienced problems with guppies dying
> after giving birth and are there any ways of stopping it happening?
>
> also, a female gave birth in the main tank (before i noticed the
> signs:mad: ) so i fished out the fry that survived (about 6) and the
> female was absolutly fine afterwards.
>
> any ideas Cheers Craig
>
>
>
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Craig how do you mean she was passing blood in her waste. Did she have
quite red feces? If so, she may have been infected with camillanus. I
purchased some guppies that had this parasite and I ended up losing all of
them. You may need to get some medicated food for them or some sort of
medication. I know one person here had some experience with the parasite
and gave me some advice which I was not able to follow up on in time. If
you do a search for camillanus, you may find the thread.

Jacqui

[Elaine T]

Craig wrote:
> strange.
>
> to be fair guppies (and neon tetras) have been pushed too far in the
> genetics field, i have never had a neon tetra that survived longer then
> a few weeks in my tanks.
>
Um... Maybe I'll get flamed for this, but neons should not be hard to
keep unless you buy extremely tiny ones. Are you certain of your water
quality? I'm kind of wondering whether you have something nasty coming
from your tap.

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[Ozdude]

"Elaine T" > wrote in message
m...
> Craig wrote:
>> strange.
>>
>> to be fair guppies (and neon tetras) have been pushed too far in the
>> genetics field, i have never had a neon tetra that survived longer then
>> a few weeks in my tanks.
>>
> Um... Maybe I'll get flamed for this, but neons should not be hard to keep
> unless you buy extremely tiny ones. Are you certain of your water
> quality? I'm kind of wondering whether you have something nasty coming
> from your tap.

Neons of any size can be sickly. I personally am wary of them when I see
them. I've heard so many stories about them being raised in Asia in huge
ponds with hormones, bad water conditioners and other "support" materials
that promote real mass production, and once they get into normal water into
a normal tank, they fizzle out.

I would imagine that the smaller ones are actually more prone to illness.
The larger ones (which my LFS#2 has lots of atm and I am tempted as they've
been with them for over two months now) would be more able to survive as
long as they've been in the shop for a while. The problem is that it's such
a popular fish with beginners and children, that they never stay long enough
in the LFS for you to get a grip on their robustness. I guess you could
always ask the LFS to hold them for you?

Personally I stay away from all neons except the Cardinal, Black or Blue
whch are a different more robust species, or I look for the glowlight, head
and tail light and other luminous type charcin.

I am fixing to get some Black Phantom Tetra next week, but before I do that
I want to get this Brown Algae/Diatom thing sorted ( I'm starting to suspect
it's a water flow problem ) and the CO2 injected via a small
powerhead/reactor (ala Tom Barr design), so perhaps just two Siamese Algae
Eaters for now ;)

Oz

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[winddancir]

I've noticed that when you buy guppies from large stores (ie Walmart, Petsmart) that sometimes they aren't that healthy. Mostly because they are bred in super sanitary conditions without any of the stuff you find in normal water, fed a lot to make them grow fast, and are kept in very warm water.
Then they get the shock of transportation, dumped into strange water without being carefully ajusted to it, and then quickly sold.
The new owner has no idea about this, and when the poor fishie dies, the person beats themself up about killing their pet fish.

My case of this was when I bought one and put it in my tank, it died over the weekend. And it had introduced a disease that it probably got from the store's tanks. The Icky disease killed 2 of my gups, and my algae eater. I learned my lesson. Do not put new fish in with the others. Put them in a holding tank for a couple weeks.

[Craig]

nope, my tank is fine. i have some sensative corys in tehre now and
their thriving. and all the babies have survived so it seems tha it
really was just something gentic or stress related with the brith.



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[winddancir]

A couple of my girls are almost ready (I hope) and I'll see what happens with them. Most of them are first timers, but Goldie's had a litter (is litter the right word?) before. Most of them were eaten because she had them in the community tank.