Lethargic Calico

[Kodiak]

I have a 4" Calico that went lethargic on me a few days ago.
He kind of pokes around but sinks to the bottom and sits on
the gravel most of the time. The only symptom i noticed was
a red spot on the tip of his tail, and a bit of redness at the base
of his belly fins (not the pectoral, not the anal, but the other fins)
but that is all gone now. When he sinks
his head hits the bottom first. He was in an overpopulated tank,
and I've been overfeeding lately. I quickly did water changes, and
moved him to a hospital/bucket tank. He now gets fresh temperature
matched dechlorinated water every 12 hours but he wont eat. Should
I add Epsom salt, or regular salt? Should I forcefeed him? I have an
airstone and a heater at 75degF in the bucket. The only other symptom
i see is a bit of a crimp in his back, like he's partially paralyzed. I had
a problem like this once before, it took 2 weeks to recover, but i managed
to save the fish. Should I crank up the temp?
....Kodiak

[bettasngoldfish]

Any time I have had a goldfish with redness in their fins or at the
base of the fins I feed medicated food. Something like romet or
medigold would be fine. I would not force feed unless it has been
several days since the fish last ate. Use regular aquarium salt not
epsom. I dose 1tbs per ten gallons but up it to 1 tbs per five with a
sick fish. Seventy five to seventy eight degrees is good temp for
them. If the fish is in a five gallon bucket you should do 100% water
changes every day. Maybe some else will be able to comment on why the
back is crimped.

[Kodiak]

I do 80% water change twice a day (10gal bucket), about 1 hr after
i feed. Water is ages 48hrs min, with airstone, temp matched and
heated to 78degF now. I don't have medicated food. But I'll start with
3/4 tblspoon salt tonight. He seems to be getting better.
Is that redness blood? And is it caused by Ammo spike?
....Kodiak


"bettasngoldfish" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Any time I have had a goldfish with redness in their fins or at the
> base of the fins I feed medicated food. Something like romet or
> medigold would be fine. I would not force feed unless it has been
> several days since the fish last ate. Use regular aquarium salt not
> epsom. I dose 1tbs per ten gallons but up it to 1 tbs per five with a
> sick fish. Seventy five to seventy eight degrees is good temp for
> them. If the fish is in a five gallon bucket you should do 100% water
> changes every day. Maybe some else will be able to comment on why the
> back is crimped.
>

[starfish]

the redness usually indicates and internal bacterial infection. My fish got
this and i treated them with PimaFix and mela fix (i started on a half
dosage of both to see how the fish reacted)
"Kodiak" > wrote in message
.. .
> I do 80% water change twice a day (10gal bucket), about 1 hr after
> i feed. Water is ages 48hrs min, with airstone, temp matched and
> heated to 78degF now. I don't have medicated food. But I'll start with
> 3/4 tblspoon salt tonight. He seems to be getting better.
> Is that redness blood? And is it caused by Ammo spike?
> ...Kodiak
>
>
> "bettasngoldfish" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Any time I have had a goldfish with redness in their fins or at the
> > base of the fins I feed medicated food. Something like romet or
> > medigold would be fine. I would not force feed unless it has been
> > several days since the fish last ate. Use regular aquarium salt not
> > epsom. I dose 1tbs per ten gallons but up it to 1 tbs per five with a
> > sick fish. Seventy five to seventy eight degrees is good temp for
> > them. If the fish is in a five gallon bucket you should do 100% water
> > changes every day. Maybe some else will be able to comment on why the
> > back is crimped.
> >
>
>

[Lilly]

Looks like a bacterial infection of some sort.
http://www.koivet.com/html/glossary/glossary_details.php?glossary_id=38&category=Symptoms

But the bent spine makes me wonder if it isn't a myco (fish TB)
infection...
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Keefer_FishTB.html

Whatever it is, use gloves and different maintenance tools (syphon,
bucket etc.)

Lilly

[bettasngoldfish]

If your using a bucket for a quarantine tank then you need to be doing
100% water changes every 12-24 hours (depending on the size of your
fish) Its good that you are using an air stone and matching temp. you
dont want to shock your fish. Yes, the redness is blood and it can be
the first indication of an internal infection. If you were having
water quality issues (ammonia) and or parasites that may have caused
your problem. Is there any way you would be able to get some medigold
from goldfishconnection? It really is a very good medicated food and I
think your fish would benefit from it greatly. Good to hear he seems
to be getting better. Is he eating for you at all?

Maria

[Kodiak]

Damn I can catch this stuff?
Good articles, Thanks Lilly...
....Kodiak

"Lilly" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Looks like a bacterial infection of some sort.
> http://www.koivet.com/html/glossary/glossary_details.php?glossary_id=38&category=Symptoms
>
> But the bent spine makes me wonder if it isn't a myco (fish TB)
> infection...
> http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Keefer_FishTB.html
>
> Whatever it is, use gloves and different maintenance tools (syphon,
> bucket etc.)
>
> Lilly
>

[Kodiak]

I do the water changes 80% twice a day (10gal bucket)
yes i have an airstone and even a heater
I change the water 1 hr after i feed
but he's not eating 4 days now.
Might he be more enticed to eat medicated food?
The tank he came from was overloaded, but the otherguys are doing fine.
I don't think it's parasites, the tank is ultra clean, i think it's an
internal infection,
but then again u never know...
....Kodiak


"bettasngoldfish" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> If your using a bucket for a quarantine tank then you need to be doing
> 100% water changes every 12-24 hours (depending on the size of your
> fish) Its good that you are using an air stone and matching temp. you
> dont want to shock your fish. Yes, the redness is blood and it can be
> the first indication of an internal infection. If you were having
> water quality issues (ammonia) and or parasites that may have caused
> your problem. Is there any way you would be able to get some medigold
> from goldfishconnection? It really is a very good medicated food and I
> think your fish would benefit from it greatly. Good to hear he seems
> to be getting better. Is he eating for you at all?
>
> Maria
>

[Lilly]

You can, but it isn't very easy since it prefers temperatures that are
somewhat cooler than we humans would provide for it. Generally speaking
you would find it on the outer parts of your extremities. It can be
quite a challenge to get rid of it once you catch it. I think people
freak because it's called "TB" and it conjures up humans dying of TB in
sanitariums.

That said, various species of myco are *everywhere*. Digging your
garden can expose you to myco, as well as a bunch of other things. I
don't worry too much about it. Nor should you, unless your fish have
it. Then the standard protocol is to destroy all the fish in the tank
and sterilize it.

Lilly

Kodiak wrote:
> Damn I can catch this stuff?
> Good articles, Thanks Lilly...
> ...Kodiak
>
> "Lilly" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Looks like a bacterial infection of some sort.
> >
http://www.koivet.com/html/glossary/glossary_details.php?glossary_id=38&category=Symptoms
> >
> > But the bent spine makes me wonder if it isn't a myco (fish TB)
> > infection...
> > http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/management/Keefer_FishTB.html
> >
> > Whatever it is, use gloves and different maintenance tools (syphon,
> > bucket etc.)
> >
> > Lilly
> >