How to treat fungus ?

[NZed]

It looks like my comet has fungus...what treatments do you recomend ?
NZed

[Tom L. La Bron]

NZed,

Melafix.

Tom L.L.
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"NZed" > wrote in message
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> It looks like my comet has fungus...what treatments do you recomend ?
> NZed
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[Roy]

Well the jury overall is out on the use of Melafix. Maela fix has no
known anti bacterial properties as it so states.......trust me on
that. I am as well as others are in the process of doing some
controlled experiments in regards to melafix and fungus. Once you use
melafix your dumping in huge amounts of dissolved organic carbons in
your tank, and this is virtually impossible to get out even with
potassium permanganate it takes a lot of work and massive water
changes..........Melafix is perhaps the new wave of "snake oils" for
the pond and aquarium folks. You r money would be better spent on
Furanase or Malachite green and formalin than using Melafix.

If you do use Melafix or tea tree oil in your pond, be aware you have
just added a very large load of Dissolved Organic Carbon, and if you
decide later that you want to use PP (potassium permanganate) or other
useful treatments, you will need to do several 80 to 90% water changes
to get rid of the tea tree oil before starting with anything else (and
the anything else would be a better choice at the start, IMO!).

Now I have to agree, that tea oil (melafix applied directly to an open
wound or sore on a dog or human does have some merit, and does lead to
faster healing, but diluting it in thr tank for a treatment for all
the claims they make does nothing but make it harder to breathe for
the fish and create more headaches further down the road.......There
is just too many other proven treatments without all the problems
melafix can cause to warrant dumping this "snake oil" in with fish.

Just my opinion

On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:46:03 -0600, "Tom L. La Bron"
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>===<>NZed,
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>===<>Melafix.
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>===<>Tom L.L.
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>===<>"NZed" > wrote in message
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>===<>> It looks like my comet has fungus...what treatments do you recomend ?
>===<>> NZed
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REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[bettasngoldfish]

White fuzzy material on the tail usually means fungus that normally
shows up after a parasitic infection, treat with Quick Cure, which has
formaldehyde for the parasites and malachite green for the fungus. I
would do a large water change (25%-50%) remove any carbon from your
filter, add the qc (one drop per gallon) next day perform water change
(25%) following day qc, next day water change, following day qc and the
last day large water change and add carbon back to filter. Hope this
helps!

[NZed]

Thanks for the useful feedback.
We dont have some of these products but can use others which have the
ingredients you mentioned.

In the meantime I have done a 50% water change and added Methylene Blue and
an antiseptic to the water.
I do have formaldehyde seperately.
Regards
NZed

"bettasngoldfish" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> White fuzzy material on the tail usually means fungus that normally
> shows up after a parasitic infection, treat with Quick Cure, which has
> formaldehyde for the parasites and malachite green for the fungus. I
> would do a large water change (25%-50%) remove any carbon from your
> filter, add the qc (one drop per gallon) next day perform water change
> (25%) following day qc, next day water change, following day qc and the
> last day large water change and add carbon back to filter. Hope this
> helps!
>

[Starfish]

My experiences with melafix have all been brilliant. One of my fish had
really bad slit in his dorsal fin from spawning which didnt heal in a month.
I added melafix and there was improvement within a week. I did do large
water changes and add carbon to the water, but that is standard for any meds
"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> Well the jury overall is out on the use of Melafix. Maela fix has no
> known anti bacterial properties as it so states.......trust me on
> that. I am as well as others are in the process of doing some
> controlled experiments in regards to melafix and fungus. Once you use
> melafix your dumping in huge amounts of dissolved organic carbons in
> your tank, and this is virtually impossible to get out even with
> potassium permanganate it takes a lot of work and massive water
> changes..........Melafix is perhaps the new wave of "snake oils" for
> the pond and aquarium folks. You r money would be better spent on
> Furanase or Malachite green and formalin than using Melafix.
>
> If you do use Melafix or tea tree oil in your pond, be aware you have
> just added a very large load of Dissolved Organic Carbon, and if you
> decide later that you want to use PP (potassium permanganate) or other
> useful treatments, you will need to do several 80 to 90% water changes
> to get rid of the tea tree oil before starting with anything else (and
> the anything else would be a better choice at the start, IMO!).
>
> Now I have to agree, that tea oil (melafix applied directly to an open
> wound or sore on a dog or human does have some merit, and does lead to
> faster healing, but diluting it in thr tank for a treatment for all
> the claims they make does nothing but make it harder to breathe for
> the fish and create more headaches further down the road.......There
> is just too many other proven treatments without all the problems
> melafix can cause to warrant dumping this "snake oil" in with fish.
>
> Just my opinion
>
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2005 22:46:03 -0600, "Tom L. La Bron"
> > wrote:
>
>>===<>NZed,
>>===<>
>>===<>Melafix.
>>===<>
>>===<>Tom L.L.
>>===<>------------------------------------------------
>>===<>"NZed" > wrote in message
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>>===<>> It looks like my comet has fungus...what treatments do you recomend
>>?
>>===<>> NZed
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>>===<>>
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>
>
> REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
> Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from
> selling GF (and sold
> the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired
> from
> helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is
> best for
> diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your
> fish at Dandy Orandas
> Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Roy,

When I had fry (approx 50) ever single one died. Next time I got fry I used to
add a few drops
of melafix to the water they were in (approx 5 gallons) everytime I did 100%
water changes.
Once I started doing this I had minimal deaths, this could be just a fluke but
it leads me to
believe that melafix does have some merit. One of my fry was fungused all over
its tiny body
within a month of implementing the melafix this had all gone, again, perhaps a
fluke.

[Roy]

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:14:40 +0000, Geezer From The Freezer
> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>Roy,
>===<>
>===<>When I had fry (approx 50) ever single one died. Next time I got fry I used to
>===<>add a few drops
>===<>of melafix to the water they were in (approx 5 gallons) everytime I did 100%
>===<>water changes.
>===<>Once I started doing this I had minimal deaths, this could be just a fluke but
>===<>it leads me to
>===<>believe that melafix does have some merit. One of my fry was fungused all over
>===<>its tiny body
>===<>within a month of implementing the melafix this had all gone, again, perhaps a
>===<>fluke.


Geezer, I can't dissagree per se with you............but along with
water changes etc is it still not possible that melafix had little to
do with it getting cured. I can cure fungus much quicker than one
month with PP or Furanase and even MG /F treatments, and none of them
add huge amounts of unwated junk to my system. Look at the film the
emulsified oil of melafix has......its a proven thing that it does
lead to stress as it restricts proper gill fucntion after a certain
point. About all its good for so far, IMHO that is, is making your
water smell nicer, but if smelly water is a problem you have problems
anyhow that need fixing..............Currently I have 5 groups of
small feeder type goldfish in 10 gal tanks with 4 fish in each tank..
All feeders were handpicked according to their exibited display of
having fungal problems and all came from the same tank at the same
time, so theoretically they all suffer from the same malady for the
same length of time (theroetically anyhow) I do the same water changes
on each tank, use the same water, temps are maintained the same in
each tank, same amount and type feed used in each tank as well. The
only differences is what is being used to treat the different tanks
with.

One tank is treated with salt, another with Furnanase, another with
Melafix, one with PP and the last with MG/F.........So far the tank
treated with PP shows the best results, followed by the Furanase and
then MG/F. The salt and melafix tanks look about the same and may even
be worse than when I started...........as some of those fish have
started to show signs of not eating and having clamped
fins........Yes, melafix may work, but it takes longer, somethng a
fish may sufficeint qwuanity of to spare is time when its
sick.........PP quite effective and yes its much harsher, but done
properly shows the most promise.........After this little experiment
is over, I intend to repeat it again..........

I also took these same tanks initially and added the usual doses of
meds to them without any fish in them, and the tank with melafix took
considerably more and longer treatments with PP until it was all
removed than any other tank, so it creates a heap more organics in the
tank...........I tested water parameters all during the PP dose phases
of clearing the tanks, as well as the tanks that are now undergoing
the experiments, and the mela fix and salt tanks always have higher
readings of bad stuff than the other tanks do.

Hey if it works for you and you feel good about using it and the
results you get, its your ball game, but in todays world there is just
to many products out there that seem to claim to be miracle drugs /
cures................Just look at the array of products on stores
shelves............its amazing, everyone is jumping on the band wagon.
Melafix seems to appeal more to the naturalist types, those that
believe more in holistic or natural treatments, than man made chemical
types.........you know, herbs, teas, etc etc..........as compared to
tetracycline, baytril, MG /F etc etc.

Regards

Roy

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Geezer From The Freezer]

Roy,

You could be right. MY adding melafix wasn't actually to cure the fry with
the huge fungal problem (and believe me it was huge, hence the time it took
for the fungus to go away and the side of his body to heal).

Any idea where you get info about gill function and melafix as I would like
to read that.

Cheers

[Roy]

Hey Geezer...

So far water changes in the one QT shows much improvement with the
fish than tanks treated with Melafix does. Still too early to make any
firm decisions, but the QT tank treated with PP shows the most marked
increase in fish in good condition..actually they all are in fine
shape and doing great. MG/F treatment fish are second in regards to
showing signs of improvement.

I intend to rerun this trial one more time though before I make any
conclusion as to most effective treatments, at least for me anyhow.


On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 15:14:40 +0000, Geezer From The Freezer
> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>Roy,
>===<>
>===<>When I had fry (approx 50) ever single one died. Next time I got fry I used to
>===<>add a few drops
>===<>of melafix to the water they were in (approx 5 gallons) everytime I did 100%
>===<>water changes.
>===<>Once I started doing this I had minimal deaths, this could be just a fluke but
>===<>it leads me to
>===<>believe that melafix does have some merit. One of my fry was fungused all over
>===<>its tiny body
>===<>within a month of implementing the melafix this had all gone, again, perhaps a
>===<>fluke.


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[[email protected]]

Roy wrote:
> Well the jury overall is out on the use of Melafix. Maela fix has no
> known anti bacterial properties as it so states.......trust me on
> that. I am as well as others are in the process of doing some
> controlled experiments in regards to melafix and fungus. Once you use
> melafix your dumping in huge amounts of dissolved organic carbons in
> your tank, and this is virtually impossible to get out even with
> potassium permanganate......


Tell us about your experiments.
You're saying Melafix is plant food; interesting.