OT good dog!

[kathy]

The water gardening labradors would like to submit this story to
rec.ponds about a dog, some water and fetching

Labrador busts owner on pot charge
Associated Press

GRAPEVINE, TX - The owner of J.D. the Labrador may be wishing his dog
weren't such a good retriever.

Matthew Porter and two friends were playing Frisbee golf in a suburban
park Monday when a police officer who thought he smelled burning
marijuana began questioning them.

As the officer was checking for outstanding warrants, J.D. waded into a
nearby creek and emerged with a plastic bag containing the drug...

J.D. also faces no charges, but may have a new job opportunity.
"People have been asking if we're going to recruit the dog for police
work," said Grapevine police Sgt. Todd Dearing.


entire article can be found here
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3042930

[Roy]

So, just what does this have to do with a pond? or a Fish, or anything
other than the fact you like to read news and post crap. Evidently
your paid by someone as per your posts on USENET..........

On 16 Feb 2005 12:45:59 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:

>===<>The water gardening labradors would like to submit this story to
>===<>rec.ponds about a dog, some water and fetching
>===<>
>===<>Labrador busts owner on pot charge
>===<>Associated Press
>===<>
>===<>GRAPEVINE, TX - The owner of J.D. the Labrador may be wishing his dog
>===<>weren't such a good retriever.
>===<>
>===<>Matthew Porter and two friends were playing Frisbee golf in a suburban
>===<>park Monday when a police officer who thought he smelled burning
>===<>marijuana began questioning them.
>===<>
>===<>As the officer was checking for outstanding warrants, J.D. waded into a
>===<>nearby creek and emerged with a plastic bag containing the drug...
>===<>
>===<>J.D. also faces no charges, but may have a new job opportunity.
>===<>"People have been asking if we're going to recruit the dog for police
>===<>work," said Grapevine police Sgt. Todd Dearing.
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>entire article can be found here
>===<>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3042930


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Mark and Kim Smith]

Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??

Roy wrote:

>So, just what does this have to do with a pond? or a Fish, or anything
>other than the fact you like to read news and post crap. Evidently
>your paid by someone as per your posts on USENET..........
>
>On 16 Feb 2005 12:45:59 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:
>
>
>
>>===<>The water gardening labradors would like to submit this story to
>>===<>rec.ponds about a dog, some water and fetching
>>===<>
>>===<>Labrador busts owner on pot charge
>>===<>Associated Press
>>===<>
>>===<>GRAPEVINE, TX - The owner of J.D. the Labrador may be wishing his dog
>>===<>weren't such a good retriever.
>>===<>
>>===<>Matthew Porter and two friends were playing Frisbee golf in a suburban
>>===<>park Monday when a police officer who thought he smelled burning
>>===<>marijuana began questioning them.
>>===<>
>>===<>As the officer was checking for outstanding warrants, J.D. waded into a
>>===<>nearby creek and emerged with a plastic bag containing the drug...
>>===<>
>>===<>J.D. also faces no charges, but may have a new job opportunity.
>>===<>"People have been asking if we're going to recruit the dog for police
>>===<>work," said Grapevine police Sgt. Todd Dearing.
>>===<>
>>===<>
>>===<>entire article can be found here
>>===<>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3042930
>>
>>
>
>
>REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
>Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
>the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
>helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
>diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
>Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS
>
>

[kathy]

Wow. I made it on Roy's List too.
I'm in great company. Hi, everyone else! :-)))

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

"kathy" exclaimed with much excitement:

>Wow. I made it on Roy's List too.
>I'm in great company. Hi, everyone else! :-)))

Welcome, come on in, the water (pond water) is fine. :) ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Yabbadoo]

Hi, Jan, I'm new to this group and not American. Dumb question, perhaps, but
what's a porg? Only reference I can find by Googling is "People Of
Restricted Growth" which somehow doesn't seem relevant to a garden pond/fish
discussion group. Is there another meaning?

Len

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> "kathy" exclaimed with much excitement:
>
>>Wow. I made it on Roy's List too.
>>I'm in great company. Hi, everyone else! :-)))
>
> Welcome, come on in, the water (pond water) is fine. :) ~ jan
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

I think I'll just by pass Roy and jump in with you guys, Okay?
Bonnie
NJ
"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> "kathy" exclaimed with much excitement:
>
>>Wow. I made it on Roy's List too.
>>I'm in great company. Hi, everyone else! :-)))
>
> Welcome, come on in, the water (pond water) is fine. :) ~ jan
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Roy]

In this persons and this forums case its persons of limited capacity
mentally in regards to assessing and treating and keeping fish
Or its this elite forums own word for something or other to
differentiate them from the ones that do know...just like beignorants
Vanilla pudding and his name for GF/Koi crosses.......

Don't feel bad for notnoing it becasue of where your
from...........most americans don't understand their lingo either, so
how could you expect a person of another country to.


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:08:30 GMT, "Yabbadoo"
> wrote:

>===<>Hi, Jan, I'm new to this group and not American. Dumb question, perhaps, but
>===<>what's a porg? Only reference I can find by Googling is "People Of
>===<>Restricted Growth" which somehow doesn't seem relevant to a garden pond/fish
>===<>discussion group. Is there another meaning?
>===<>
>===<>Len
>===<>
>===<>"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> "kathy" exclaimed with much excitement:
>===<>>
>===<>>>Wow. I made it on Roy's List too.
>===<>>>I'm in great company. Hi, everyone else! :-)))
>===<>>
>===<>> Welcome, come on in, the water (pond water) is fine. :) ~ jan
>===<>>
>===<>> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
>===<>


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Gail Futoran]

"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??

Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
posts, especially if they have a remote connection
to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)

rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
groups for staying mostly on topic.

Gail

[kathy]

Maybe we should have tshirts made up...

kathy

[Roy]

Yea right water dogs have as much business being posted in rec.ponds
as wet dog does....so if thats the case, then be prepared to start
your kill files, as I will flood this dumbassed group with all kinds
of stuff water related, .......y'all said it right here its acceptable
as long as it has something to do with water....................lets
see....ducks, river rafts, boating, yea boats are water related,
skiing, swimimng, kayaking,, man this could get to be a lot of work
but it will be worth it. Yep, copy pastes would be the fastest method
instead of typing articles..........

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:11:23 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
> wrote:

>===<>"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
>===<>
>===<>Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
>===<>posts, especially if they have a remote connection
>===<>to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>===<>
>===<>rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
>===<>groups for staying mostly on topic.
>===<>
>===<>Gail
>===<>
>===<>


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[kathy]

Roy,
You're being just plain mean.
It's not healthy to be so abusive.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:08:30 GMT, "Yabbadoo" > wrote:

>what's a porg? "People Of Restricted Growth"
>Len

LOL! Well SOME people in here would surely fit that description. ;-)

We say Pond Oriented Recreational Group. Originally though the word Porg
was a play on Star Trek Next Generation, if not a fan this will not make
much sense, but the Borg were half man, half machine aliens that wish to
rule to the world:

The Borg said:
"We are _Borg_ resistant is futile, you will be assimilated."
The Porg say:
"We are Porg, resistant IS futile, you will be pond-elated."

Btw, to join this latest "club" you have to PO Roy, and it doesn't take
much lately. Just heed the advice when you do, ignore Roy, we all do....
well except when he occasionally gives good pond advice, it's sometimes
hard to tell between all the name calling and sarcasm. The Water Spaniel
thread was interesting though, his, though he often mugs his handle.

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>I think I'll just by pass Roy and jump in with you guys, Okay?
>Bonnie NJ

Hmmm, I don't know, seems you have to go thru the hazing,
we all did. ;) You can't be a skier by just sitting in the lodge. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[kathy]

Nah, I say give Bonnie a free tshirt.
Actually, she's our creative member,
she can design the tshirt!

kathy

[Gary Woods]

"kathy" > wrote:

>You're being just plain mean.
>It's not healthy to be so abusive.

Hey, he's a top poster; he can't help it... congenital thing...

ObContent: My pond is frozen

No, I didn't go anywhere; just lurking.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

[Steve]

Congratulations on another brilliant post, Roy.

I know some people here don't like you but personally, I find you
truly inspiring. Sure, you don't know how to use punctuation. You
think noing is the same thing as knowing. You don't know the
difference between your and you're. And you rarely have anything
worthwhile to say. But you don't let these impairments slow you down.
You forge ahead, insulting everyone you can without regard for how
intelligent you look in the process. Yes, your courage is truly
inspiring.


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:09:36 GMT, (Roy) wrote:

>In this persons and this forums case its persons of limited capacity
>mentally in regards to assessing and treating and keeping fish
>Or its this elite forums own word for something or other to
>differentiate them from the ones that do know...just like beignorants
>Vanilla pudding and his name for GF/Koi crosses.......
>
>Don't feel bad for notnoing it becasue of where your
>from...........most americans don't understand their lingo either, so
>how could you expect a person of another country to.

[Kerry]

Typical words coming from a butt hole that don;t have a
clue..........when all else fails punctuation and spelling always
enter into the picture as they are grasping at straws just to kill
that urge to respond..............

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 04:50:08 GMT, (Steve) wrote:

>===<>Congratulations on another brilliant post, Roy.
>===<>
>===<>I know some people here don't like you but personally, I find you
>===<>truly inspiring. Sure, you don't know how to use punctuation. You
>===<>think noing is the same thing as knowing. You don't know the
>===<>difference between your and you're. And you rarely have anything
>===<>worthwhile to say. But you don't let these impairments slow you down.
>===<>You forge ahead, insulting everyone you can without regard for how
>===<>intelligent you look in the process. Yes, your courage is truly
>===<>inspiring.
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:09:36 GMT, (Roy) wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>In this persons and this forums case its persons of limited capacity
>===<>>mentally in regards to assessing and treating and keeping fish
>===<>>Or its this elite forums own word for something or other to
>===<>>differentiate them from the ones that do know...just like beignorants
>===<>>Vanilla pudding and his name for GF/Koi crosses.......
>===<>>
>===<>>Don't feel bad for notnoing it becasue of where your
>===<>>from...........most americans don't understand their lingo either, so
>===<>>how could you expect a person of another country to.


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Kerry]

Its none of your business on what I do or how I post or
feel.........when you pay my bills then you may be able to say what I
shold or should not do or how I should feel...........


On 16 Feb 2005 19:42:31 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:

>===<>Roy,
>===<>You're being just plain mean.
>===<>It's not healthy to be so abusive.


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Kerry]

Yet another Mr. Perfect that gets his panties in a wad when someone
does not post according to so called USENET
protocol...............hopefully they get wadded up enough to cut off
circulation to your gonads, and you are prevented from
spawning.............The world don;t need any more perfect assholes,
there is an overabundance of them already with the majority in this
group..........


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 04:16:40 GMT, Gary Woods
> wrote:

>===<>"kathy" > wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>You're being just plain mean.
>===<>>It's not healthy to be so abusive.
>===<>
>===<>Hey, he's a top poster; he can't help it... congenital thing...
>===<>
>===<>ObContent: My pond is frozen
>===<>
>===<>No, I didn't go anywhere; just lurking.
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
>===<>Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

Well shucks Kathy, thanks. I did design a tshirt years ago. After my first
visit from a heron I made up a tshirt with a O and a slash with a blue heron
inside and rec.ponds underneath. The heron didn't pay attention.
Bonnie
NJ
> kathy
>

[Derek Broughton]

Kerry wrote:

Aw @#$%^Y&. The twit's changed his handle again...
--
derek

[REBEL JOE]

Hi ko30p yea his list is growing soon we can start a group called people
on roys list



http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

[PlainBill]

How much lattitude is allowed?

I assume discusion of 'water features' should be permittted.

Reminders to "Watch out for alligators while trying to drain a swamp"
would seem to be on topic. (Especially relavent to some of my
projects).

Transporting live fish is obviously on topic.

But how about other creatures that live in water - such as turtles,
beaver or muskrats? And would this include other members of genus
(snapping turtles are on topic - but how about a desert tortise?)

And (after my last experince cleaning up the muck at the bottom of the
pond), is mud wrestling on topic?

We now return you to ponding.

PlainBill

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:11:23 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
> wrote:

>"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
>> Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
>
>Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
>posts, especially if they have a remote connection
>to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>
>rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
>groups for staying mostly on topic.
>
>Gail
>
>

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
-Thomas Paine

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Thu, (Kerry) *really Roy mugged* wrote:

>Its none of your business on what I do or how I post or
>feel.........when you pay my bills then you may be able to say what I
>shold or should not do or how I should feel...........
>
Wait a minute, aren't you retired and receiving SS? So theoretically.....

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[PlainBill]

Also OT, Roy.

It's good to see the Grapevine Police department has too much time
on their hands. I can just see the cross examination of the arresting
officer: "How did you know the drugs belonged to Mr. Porter?"

" Well, his dog brought them to him."

"I see. Do you own a dog?"

"Yes, a Goldern Retriever."

"Does he ever bring anything home that doesn't belong to you?"

"Well, yes."

Courtroom breaks up in laughter, case dismissed do to lack of probable
cause, officer reprimanded for stupidity.

PlainBill

On 16 Feb 2005 12:45:59 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:

>The water gardening labradors would like to submit this story to
>rec.ponds about a dog, some water and fetching
>
>Labrador busts owner on pot charge
>Associated Press
>
>GRAPEVINE, TX - The owner of J.D. the Labrador may be wishing his dog
>weren't such a good retriever.
>
>Matthew Porter and two friends were playing Frisbee golf in a suburban
>park Monday when a police officer who thought he smelled burning
>marijuana began questioning them.
>
>As the officer was checking for outstanding warrants, J.D. waded into a
>nearby creek and emerged with a plastic bag containing the drug...
>
>J.D. also faces no charges, but may have a new job opportunity.
>"People have been asking if we're going to recruit the dog for police
>work," said Grapevine police Sgt. Todd Dearing.
>
>
>entire article can be found here
>http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3042930

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression, for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself.
-Thomas Paine

[Derek Broughton]

~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:

> On Thu, (Kerry) *really Roy mugged* wrote:
>
>>Its none of your business on what I do or how I post or
>>feel.........when you pay my bills then you may be able to say what I
>>shold or should not do or how I should feel...........
>>
> Wait a minute, aren't you retired and receiving SS? So theoretically.....

Well, he's wrong anyway. Earthlink's terms of service make it clear that he
can lose his service for abusive newsgroup postings. So far, what I've
seen (since he abused Nedra) has been just short of that.

I fully agree that it's none of my business how he feels. He's entitled to
be a nasty old curmudgeon if he wants. However, it _is_ my businees if he
ruins my enjoyment of this newsgroup with malicious posts.
--
derek

[Benign Vanilla]

"Gail Futoran" > wrote in message
...
> "Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
>
> Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
> posts, especially if they have a remote connection
> to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>
> rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
> groups for staying mostly on topic.

Kathy's lab's are always welcome here, if you ask me.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[kathy]

Plain Bill wrote >>And (after my last experince cleaning up the muck at
the bottom of the pond), is mud wrestling on topic?

This could open a whole new avenue! :-)

kathy

[Mark and Kim Smith]

Gail Futoran wrote:

>"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
>
>>Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
>>
>>
>
>Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
>posts, especially if they have a remote connection
>to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>
>rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
>groups for staying mostly on topic.
>
>Gail
>
>
>
>
>

Thanks for the reply Gail. However, the question was more rhetorical
than anything. Or, at least, in reply to the usenet police. Off topic
means off topic. Ignore at your leisure.

[Donny]

The thing you don't like is someone with an different opinion and that
does not agree with you. Were you always a spolied little brat that
got only what he wanted and only his way when you were growing
up...evidently so and you expect such now............

Show me a malicious post, or a post that has been OT
dude............Whats good for one is good for others, show leaway to
one it should and will go to others, posy crap about dogs, so can
others, its already been stated its acceptable, so one persons posts
should not be treated any different now should they...........I
really think you spent too much times in a Salt mine and with your
perceived attitude of getting your way and only your way is
interfering with what life is really abnout..Get a clue dude.......

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 13:14:15 -0400, Derek Broughton
> wrote:

>===<>~ jan JJsPond.us wrote:
>===<>
>===<>> On Thu, (Kerry) *really Roy mugged* wrote:
>===<>>
>===<>>>Its none of your business on what I do or how I post or
>===<>>>feel.........when you pay my bills then you may be able to say what I
>===<>>>shold or should not do or how I should feel...........
>===<>>>
>===<>> Wait a minute, aren't you retired and receiving SS? So theoretically.....
>===<>
>===<>Well, he's wrong anyway. Earthlink's terms of service make it clear that he
>===<>can lose his service for abusive newsgroup postings. So far, what I've
>===<>seen (since he abused Nedra) has been just short of that.
>===<>
>===<>I fully agree that it's none of my business how he feels. He's entitled to
>===<>be a nasty old curmudgeon if he wants. However, it _is_ my businees if he
>===<>ruins my enjoyment of this newsgroup with malicious posts.


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Donny]

So therefore there is no distinction, other folks posts concerning
dogs should be welcome too....stay tuned for my posts of 19 various
water breed dogs.......Kathy is not any better than me or the man in
the moon..........y'all created this bed, now you have to lay in
it.............

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:23:39 -0500, "Benign Vanilla"
> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Gail Futoran" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> "Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
>===<>> ...
>===<>> > Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
>===<>>
>===<>> Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
>===<>> posts, especially if they have a remote connection
>===<>> to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>===<>>
>===<>> rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
>===<>> groups for staying mostly on topic.
>===<>
>===<>Kathy's lab's are always welcome here, if you ask me.


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Donny]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 09:13:21 -0700, PlainBill >
wrote:

>===<>How much lattitude is allowed?
Depends on who you are

>===<>
>===<>I assume discusion of 'water features' should be permittted.

Also depends on who youy are
>===<>
>===<>Reminders to "Watch out for alligators while trying to drain a swamp"
>===<>would seem to be on topic. (Especially relavent to some of my
>===<>projects).
>===<>
>===<>Transporting live fish is obviously on topic.

Why would it not be?
>===<>
>===<>But how about other creatures that live in water - such as turtles,
>===<>beaver or muskrats? And would this include other members of genus
>===<>(snapping turtles are on topic - but how about a desert tortise?)

Other can get by on posyting about snappers etc why not everyone
else.....
>===<>
>===<>And (after my last experince cleaning up the muck at the bottom of the
>===<>pond), is mud wrestling on topic?

Its pond related is it not?
>===<>
>===<>We now return you to ponding.
>===<>
>===<>PlainBill
>===<>
And the self appointed wanna be moderators in an unmoderated forum
think they can decide who and what can be posted all depending on if
they like the person or that person fits into their get on your knees
and pray to these self appointed gods desires............
Just like I said this forum is so one sided if it was a boat it would
have capsized long ago..........Either you have to go and run with the
so called dogs in charge or suffer the consequences they
throw...........

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Donny]

So theoretically what?
Wish I was receiving SS............shows you exactly what little you
do know, don't it?

And I have never mugged anything........besides if your looking for
the proper term its munged.....not
mugged............sheeeeeeeesh!Point me to the rule and regulation
that states I need to use my God given name...........go ahead show
me..........I can use any darn name I desire and change it every post
if I desire..........its my priviledge.........

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:23:38 -0800, ~ jan JJsPond.us
> wrote:

>===<>On Thu, (Kerry) *really Roy mugged* wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>Its none of your business on what I do or how I post or
>===<>>feel.........when you pay my bills then you may be able to say what I
>===<>>shold or should not do or how I should feel...........
>===<>>
>===<>Wait a minute, aren't you retired and receiving SS? So theoretically.....
>===<>
>===<> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Donny]

Evidently yuour kill file thing is not working or you all would not
have responded to my so called posts....sop much for your concept of
kill files...........No its not the kill file you like its the know it
all attitudes and only your way, and you all can;'t resist the
temptation to fire back...........See your no different than anyone
else is no matter how above all you may think you are..........

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Art James]

Be my guest........knock your socks off, and enjoy yourself.....


On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:18:36 -0500, (REBEL JOE)
wrote:

>===<>Hi ko30p yea his list is growing soon we can start a group called people
>===<>on roys list
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Art James]

Whats a matter Derek, your momma never teach yuy calling names is
bad..........see you are just like me dude....face it, your not any
better now are you?

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 10:38:15 -0400, Derek Broughton
> wrote:

>===<>Kerry wrote:
>===<>
>===<>Aw @#$%^Y&. The twit's changed his handle again...


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Mark and Kim Smith]

m.News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when posting to
any newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines, FAQs, or
"community standards" describing what is and is not considered
appropriate. Usenet can be a valuable resource if used properly. The
continued posting of off-topic articles is prohibited. Commercial
advertisements are off-topic in most newsgroups, especially regional
groups not specifically named for such. The presence of such articles in
a group is not indicative of the group's "intended" use. Please
familiarize yourself with basic Usenet netiquette before posting to a
newsgroup.

Roy wrote:

>Yea right water dogs have as much business being posted in rec.ponds
>as wet dog does....so if thats the case, then be prepared to start
>your kill files, as I will flood this dumbassed group with all kinds
>of stuff water related, .......y'all said it right here its acceptable
>as long as it has something to do with water....................lets
>see....ducks, river rafts, boating, yea boats are water related,
>skiing, swimimng, kayaking,, man this could get to be a lot of work
>but it will be worth it. Yep, copy pastes would be the fastest method
>instead of typing articles..........
>
>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:11:23 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
> wrote:
>
>
>
>>===<>"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
>>===<>> Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
>>===<>
>>===<>Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
>>===<>posts, especially if they have a remote connection
>>===<>to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>>===<>
>>===<>rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
>>===<>groups for staying mostly on topic.
>>===<>
>>===<>Gail
>>===<>
>>===<>
>>
>>
>
>
>REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
>Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
>the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
>helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
>diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
>Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS
>
>

[Gail Futoran]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Gail Futoran" > wrote
[snip]
>> Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
>> posts, especially if they have a remote connection
>> to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>>
>> rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
>> groups for staying mostly on topic.
>
> Kathy's lab's are always welcome here, if you ask me.

You betcha! :)

> --
> BV
> Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
> http://www.iheartmypond.com
> I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

Gail

[Gail Futoran]

"PlainBill" > wrote in message
...
> How much lattitude is allowed?

Reason ... :) Actually I like "community standards".
I try to hang around a ng long enough to get a feeling
for what those are before jumping in. (With some
groups you have to wade through a ton of OT &
spam posts to do that, unfortunately.)

> I assume discusion of 'water features' should be permittted.

So far there's been no problem with such topics
that I recall.

> Reminders to "Watch out for alligators while trying to drain a swamp"
> would seem to be on topic. (Especially relavent to some of my
> projects).

Yep.

> Transporting live fish is obviously on topic.
>
> But how about other creatures that live in water - such as turtles,
> beaver or muskrats? And would this include other members of genus
> (snapping turtles are on topic - but how about a desert tortise?)

We've had a lot of such posts because some ponders
have natural ponds or, like me, have ponds that were
designed to attract local wildlife - frogs, toads, snakes.
The ng is called rec.ponds, not rec.fish. :) We've
even had discussions revolving very large ponds or
what I might call small lakes on private property.

> And (after my last experince cleaning up the muck at the bottom of the
> pond), is mud wrestling on topic?

Depends on whether or not you provide beer. <g>

> We now return you to ponding.
>
> PlainBill

Gail

[Roy]

EXACTLY....and it should not be justy aimed at earthlink
customers..............and according to those standards that are in
place on USENET policy, water dogs are NOT considered on topic or
approropriate to post as is someones wifes business adventure or how
their stupid cat ate the canary...........That is unless your one of
the special ones that ADJUST the rules to meet their needs at the
time........

I am not hard to deal with or get along with by any means, but I do
not and will not take to one sided ness or abuse from anyone no matter
how small they may think it is without my defending my positions and
taking a stand. for my beliefs, especially when folks will make a
smart assed reply and then inform yu your kill filed, so yu do not get
a chance to even state why things are like they are.......No this
group is onesided, and is akin to a private little comfy club, with
their so called chain of command and seniority, and lack of really
knowing what they are posting in respnse to, but are so happy to jump
on the wagon and follow suit when one of the chosen few strikes
back........Can;t handle the facts of what things are and that there
is more ways to skin a cat than their way! No one in this forum has
the right or power or whatever to permit OT posts on someone elses
behalf.....its USENETS authority......not the members since this is an
unmoderated forum..........so why don;t one of those deadassed
noisemakers get off their butt and submit a request to change it to a
moderated group....well it owuld take a set of bylaws and some other
things in place first...........or perhaps start their own forum
moderated .......no too much trouble better and easier to set there
and call names, insults and jump on the bandwagon, whine and cry like
a bunch of babies, and pout they did not get their own way...........



On 17 Feb 2005 15:57:51 EST, Mark and Kim Smith
> wrote:

>===<>m.News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when posting to
>===<>any newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines, FAQs, or
>===<>"community standards" describing what is and is not considered
>===<>appropriate. Usenet can be a valuable resource if used properly. The
>===<>continued posting of off-topic articles is prohibited. Commercial
>===<>advertisements are off-topic in most newsgroups, especially regional
>===<>groups not specifically named for such. The presence of such articles in
>===<>a group is not indicative of the group's "intended" use. Please
>===<>familiarize yourself with basic Usenet netiquette before posting to a
>===<>newsgroup.
>===<>
>===<>Roy wrote:
>===<>
>===<>>Yea right water dogs have as much business being posted in rec.ponds
>===<>>as wet dog does....so if thats the case, then be prepared to start
>===<>>your kill files, as I will flood this dumbassed group with all kinds
>===<>>of stuff water related, .......y'all said it right here its acceptable
>===<>>as long as it has something to do with water....................lets
>===<>>see....ducks, river rafts, boating, yea boats are water related,
>===<>>skiing, swimimng, kayaking,, man this could get to be a lot of work
>===<>>but it will be worth it. Yep, copy pastes would be the fastest method
>===<>>instead of typing articles..........
>===<>>
>===<>>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:11:23 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
> wrote:
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>>>===<>"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
>===<>>>===<>> Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
>===<>>>===<>
>===<>>>===<>Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
>===<>>>===<>posts, especially if they have a remote connection
>===<>>>===<>to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
>===<>>>===<>
>===<>>>===<>rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
>===<>>>===<>groups for staying mostly on topic.
>===<>>>===<>
>===<>>>===<>Gail
>===<>>>===<>
>===<>>>===<>
>===<>>>
>===<>>>
>===<>>
>===<>>
>===<>>REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
>===<>>Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
>===<>>the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
>===<>>helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
>===<>>diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
>===<>>Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS
>===<>>
>===<>>


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Gary Woods]

"Gail Futoran" > wrote:

>We've had a lot of such posts because some ponders
>have natural ponds or, like me, have ponds that were
>designed to attract local wildlife - frogs, toads, snakes.
>The ng is called rec.ponds, not rec.fish. :)

Like me- my pond is about 2/3 acre, infested with too many large mouth bass
and one very well-fed koi, unoriginally named "Walter."

I do have various hardy lilies in plastic pails, and the occasional lotus
in a big Rubbermaid bushel tub.

As for attracting wildlife, it just turned out that way. My favorite is
the June pickeral frog orgy.


Gary Woods AKA K2AHC- PGP key on request, or at home.earthlink.net/~garygarlic
Zone 5/6 in upstate New York, 1420' elevation. NY WO G

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Thu, 17 , Donny (really funny old Roy) wrote:

>So theoretically what?
>Wish I was receiving SS............shows you exactly what little you
>do know, don't it?

Riiiight. I'm quite sure you mentioned got getting enough at one time, or
worried of losing what you do get....

>And I have never mugged anything........besides if your looking for
>the proper term its munged.....

Thanks for the corrected term. I'll remember that. Now what was that
comment you made about flaming grammar and spelling??? <beg>

>Point me to the rule and regulation
>that states I need to use my God given name...........go ahead show
>me..........I can use any darn name I desire and change it every post
>if I desire..........its my priviledge.........

I didn't say you couldn't, doesn't matter to me. Unlike Derek, I'm actually
getting a kick out this. In fact, as I was reading all your responses to
this OT thread I was feeling a bit left out, that you might pass me over
with your intriguing wit. ~ jan

Remember: If it bothers you, ignore Roy, Donny and/or Marie.
~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[tim chandler]

Wow! Exactly how long have you been off your medication? You have a
serious problem, really - get professional help! Or grow up, or both...

Happy Ponding,
Tim

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> EXACTLY....and it should not be justy aimed at earthlink
> customers..............and according to those standards that are in
> place on USENET policy, water dogs are NOT considered on topic or
> approropriate to post as is someones wifes business adventure or how
> their stupid cat ate the canary...........That is unless your one of
> the special ones that ADJUST the rules to meet their needs at the
> time........
>
> I am not hard to deal with or get along with by any means, but I do
> not and will not take to one sided ness or abuse from anyone no matter
> how small they may think it is without my defending my positions and
> taking a stand. for my beliefs, especially when folks will make a
> smart assed reply and then inform yu your kill filed, so yu do not get
> a chance to even state why things are like they are.......No this
> group is onesided, and is akin to a private little comfy club, with
> their so called chain of command and seniority, and lack of really
> knowing what they are posting in respnse to, but are so happy to jump
> on the wagon and follow suit when one of the chosen few strikes
> back........Can;t handle the facts of what things are and that there
> is more ways to skin a cat than their way! No one in this forum has
> the right or power or whatever to permit OT posts on someone elses
> behalf.....its USENETS authority......not the members since this is an
> unmoderated forum..........so why don;t one of those deadassed
> noisemakers get off their butt and submit a request to change it to a
> moderated group....well it owuld take a set of bylaws and some other
> things in place first...........or perhaps start their own forum
> moderated .......no too much trouble better and easier to set there
> and call names, insults and jump on the bandwagon, whine and cry like
> a bunch of babies, and pout they did not get their own way...........
>
>
>
> On 17 Feb 2005 15:57:51 EST, Mark and Kim Smith
> > wrote:
>
> >===<>m.News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when
posting to
> >===<>any newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines,
FAQs, or
> >===<>"community standards" describing what is and is not considered
> >===<>appropriate. Usenet can be a valuable resource if used properly. The
> >===<>continued posting of off-topic articles is prohibited. Commercial
> >===<>advertisements are off-topic in most newsgroups, especially regional
> >===<>groups not specifically named for such. The presence of such
articles in
> >===<>a group is not indicative of the group's "intended" use. Please
> >===<>familiarize yourself with basic Usenet netiquette before posting to
a
> >===<>newsgroup.
> >===<>
> >===<>Roy wrote:
> >===<>
> >===<>>Yea right water dogs have as much business being posted in
rec.ponds
> >===<>>as wet dog does....so if thats the case, then be prepared to start
> >===<>>your kill files, as I will flood this dumbassed group with all
kinds
> >===<>>of stuff water related, .......y'all said it right here its
acceptable
> >===<>>as long as it has something to do with
water....................lets
> >===<>>see....ducks, river rafts, boating, yea boats are water related,
> >===<>>skiing, swimimng, kayaking,, man this could get to be a lot of work
> >===<>>but it will be worth it. Yep, copy pastes would be the fastest
method
> >===<>>instead of typing articles..........
> >===<>>
> >===<>>On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 02:11:23 GMT, "Gail Futoran"
> > wrote:
> >===<>>
> >===<>>
> >===<>>
> >===<>>>===<>"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in
message
> ...
> >===<>>>===<>> Wow! Usenet police. What does OT mean??
> >===<>>>===<>
> >===<>>>===<>Off topic. Most groups don't mind a few off topic
> >===<>>>===<>posts, especially if they have a remote connection
> >===<>>>===<>to the group - like Kathy's post about water dogs. :)
> >===<>>>===<>
> >===<>>>===<>rec.ponds is, IMO (in my opinion), one of the better
> >===<>>>===<>groups for staying mostly on topic.
> >===<>>>===<>
> >===<>>>===<>Gail
> >===<>>>===<>
> >===<>>>===<>
> >===<>>>
> >===<>>>
> >===<>>
> >===<>>
> >===<>>REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
> >===<>>Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired
from selling GF (and sold
> >===<>>the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT
retired from
> >===<>>helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790
phoning is best for
> >===<>>diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get
your fish at Dandy Orandas
> >===<>>Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS
> >===<>>
> >===<>>
>
>
> REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
> Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from
selling GF (and sold
> the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired
from
> helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is
best for
> diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your
fish at Dandy Orandas
> Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[kathy]

Roy,
In all my years on rec.ponds I have NEVER gotten a complaint
from USENET about OT labeled posts. I have a feeling it is not
high on their agenda.

Your language has been foul.
Where some of us have tried to use gentle humor to defuse you
you've been vicious.
Would you like someone to treat your wife, daughter or grandmother
the way you've treated Jan or Nedra.
That's what you've put forward to be judged by. And your 'dandy oranda'
posts, and your water dog posts, and your constant name changing.
I can't see any honor or dignity in this.

kathy

[Roy]

On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 23:07:39 GMT, "tim chandler" made an attempt to
make a reply but screwed up.
> wrote:
Not a dam thing worth reading, go take a hike Tchandle. You got your
chance to jump on the band wagon, hope it made your day dude!

REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Roy]

My language is not any worse now as it has been before and its not
worse than is typically heard daily in real life or on TV or anywhere
else.You just have a sheltered life.........HUMOR, yea right, if there
was any friendship or a knowedge of the other person perhaps, but the
way I view it from previous replies by y'allo its taken as smart
assed comment,........oh we don't pay attention to him ...duh! not a
problem really, so therefore I view it as sacarsim. If you want to
truly hear foul language I can easily oblige you or anyone else.
Ohhhhhh excuse me I used the foul word instead of the more politically
accepted word BUTT.
Oh just so yu can keep track you now have your first complaint of OT
posts, and the stir it has caused with some saying yes you can and
other no you can;t and others just to stupid or indicisive to make
their minds up one way or another........If you can dish it out be
prepapred to take it, along with anyone else......You had your chance
to ignore, but you choose to continue on........along with the rest of
the wagon riders...........BTW are you better than me or anyone else
that you deserve any special so called priveledges that you can
arbitraily post OT crap.......I think not!

As for me and Nedra that was between me and Nedra, it was when every
other wagon rider decided to get in on it, is when they too became
fair game, but evidently its more than they care to handle, but it
means nothing to me....Like I said I am easy to get along with, but
you wanna play games I can play games with the best of them. You wanna
do things right, I can do it right, you wanna bend the rules well I
can certainly do that to........I am flexible unlike the ridgid
backboned wagon riders, except the flexibiity in their so called
permitting to post unrelated crap, and who and who can't!

Have you seen me jerking Nedras chain since....no, why.........becasue
she just let it slide and is not as stupid as y'all in continually
stirring the pot.......

I'll post the Dandy Orandas as long as other OT crap is posted.....

I have to prove nothing to anyone on these forums....plain and simple,
and as radical as some are I am not as stupid as some to post my real
name to any newsforum PERIOD. I ama more than willing to send my
email to a bona fide email address if asked properly and I know the
person more...........And if I did not switch names you evidently
would not have even responded to this or any other posts, just like
the others, that are so kill file crazy.........so to me its a way to
get my point and my response out and it evidently works.......

Why was my water dog post anay different ly treated than you OT post?
I will always carry return crap a few steps further..........

On 17 Feb 2005 15:28:30 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:

>===<>Roy,
>===<>In all my years on rec.ponds I have NEVER gotten a complaint
>===<>from USENET about OT labeled posts. I have a feeling it is not
>===<>high on their agenda.
>===<>
>===<>Your language has been foul.
>===<>Where some of us have tried to use gentle humor to defuse you
>===<>you've been vicious.
>===<>Would you like someone to treat your wife, daughter or grandmother
>===<>the way you've treated Jan or Nedra.
>===<>That's what you've put forward to be judged by. And your 'dandy oranda'
>===<>posts, and your water dog posts, and your constant name changing.
>===<>I can't see any honor or dignity in this.
>===<>
>===<>kathy


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[kathy]

Amazing.
Words fail me.
And I suppose we should stop poking at Roy.
I hereby promise to stop reading Roy's posts,
under whatever name he puts them. I will ignore
his jibes. I won't make fun of his rants. They always
say the best way to deal with a bully is to ignore him.

kathy

[Yabbadoo]

Jan, I appreciate your elucidation of the acronym "Porg", thank you.

I'm 3,500+ miles away (on the other side of the Big Pond, aka the Atlantic)
and yes, we are familiar with Star Trek, the Next Generation (and the Borg).
Good series, but not as good as the original. My personal view, hopefully
non-contentious, since I enjoy the repeats of both, time after time.

At time of writing there's over 30 posts in this one thread, mostly sniping
and payback between just a few individuals. Given that ng's are available
and read world-wide, it's a pity that the content degenerates like this.
From my ISP list of 36000+ ng's, this is one of only two ng's which are
pond-related. The other isn't worth subscribing to, as it has no moderator
whatsoever and as a consequence is filled with posts of "spam", porn or
medication varieties.

To date I've posted here thrice - first one yielded detailed info I asked
for, a second gave good info to a pond newbie, the third (which you
responded to, Jan) satisfied my curiosity (possibly other readers too, given
the obscure derivation of "Porg"). Which, by definition and intent, is what
both ng's and the WWW are all about - sharing information.

Newbie (to this ng) I may be, but the sniping and carping exchanges devalue
both the ng and the contributors doing it.

I'm getting on (62), have a sense of humour and enjoy a good joke, but see
little humour and no merit in most of the extended dialogue here. Note I
kept ON topic (just) - "carping"? .... I apologise for any punctuation
errors (typos) but not for my spelling, which is English, the mother tongue.

Sincerely, Len.

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:08:30 GMT, "Yabbadoo" >
> >wrote:
>
>>what's a porg? "People Of Restricted Growth"
>>Len
>
> LOL! Well SOME people in here would surely fit that description. ;-)
>
> We say Pond Oriented Recreational Group. Originally though the word Porg
> was a play on Star Trek Next Generation, if not a fan this will not make
> much sense, but the Borg were half man, half machine aliens that wish to
> rule to the world:
>
> The Borg said:
> "We are _Borg_ resistant is futile, you will be assimilated."
> The Porg say:
> "We are Porg, resistant IS futile, you will be pond-elated."
>
> Btw, to join this latest "club" you have to PO Roy, and it doesn't take
> much lately. Just heed the advice when you do, ignore Roy, we all do....
> well except when he occasionally gives good pond advice, it's sometimes
> hard to tell between all the name calling and sarcasm. The Water Spaniel
> thread was interesting though, his, though he often mugs his handle.
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[kathy]

Hi Len,
I have taken the pledge. I think it is part of
being in Roy's Select Group of People Who Enrage Him.
Anyway I plan to ignore him from now on.

We always enjoy having folks from across the salt water
pond join us. And always hope to realize when we are
talking to them as it does no good to go on about raccoons,
but I did hear that some bullfrogs had shown up in the UK,
due to pet releases. ak! I have a dismal record with bullfrogs.

Once spring starts we'll get lots more questions about the usual
green water woes, string algae woes, how do I start up the pond
and the like and we'll get in a lot less trouble around here ;-)

kathy (also spells the Queen's English coming via Canada
in my youth)

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>rottenfish (Roy) responded to:

>What Mark and Kim Smith wrote which was snipped for brevity:
>
>>===<>m.News. EarthLink Members should use their best judgment when posting to
>>===<>any newsgroup. Many groups have charters, published guidelines, FAQs, or

Roy agreed:

>EXACTLY.. water dogs are NOT considered on topic

So you do what you consider wrong, than claim it so?

>I am not hard to deal with or get along with by any means

You would seriously have to change your latest postings to make me believe
that one.

> .......no too much trouble better and easier to set there
>and call names, insults and jump on the bandwagon, whine and cry like
>a bunch of babies, and pout they did not get their own way...........

What's that saying, "Pot calling the kettle black" ? tsk, tsk. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

Hi Len, you wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 01:01:35 GMT, "Yabbadoo" wrote:

>Jan, I appreciate your elucidation of the acronym "Porg", thank you.

You are most welcome, and I'm glad the Borg comparison wasn't lost on you.

As far as is currently happening in this thread. Note it is marked OT (Off
Topic), and for the most part the rest of the ponding related threads
should be good. Roy is gonna poke at some, as he's painted all who
currently post to RP with the same brush, when it was only one or two that
decided to nail him over the practice of being gleeful of pulling dead fish
out of a natural pond overstocked and suffering oxygen deprivation. In his
behalf, there wasn't much else he could do, they were junk fish (to him),
and he wasn't doing anything but cleaning up what nature had caused.
Unfortunately I guess the glee got to some here.

Every newsgroup has it Roy(s), they come and go. In rec.ponds we try to do
as K30 mentioned, most of us try to defuse them, kindly with humor.
Sometimes it works and sometimes not. Afterall, anger is usually 3 things:
frustration, fear, and I forgot the 3rd.... will have to pay better
attention to Dr.Phil's show next time he repeats them. :o/

Currently it is late winter in the northern latitude, with hints of spring,
many of us are suffering those affects, much like cabin fever. Come full
pond season in 2 months we won't have time, or take the time, for such
snipping events. So stay tuned, rec.ponds will improve, I promise.....
course Roy could always prove me wrong if he so chooses.... but I think
not. Most of us will soon bore and just ignore him and that will be that.
K30 says she's already going there. Myself, I just try to make sense of
what he's saying. I'm still scratching my head about him complaining about
complainers.

So stay tune and delete anything marked OT, unless bored. :o) ~ jan
~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Roy]

Thats your perogative.......

On 17 Feb 2005 17:01:06 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:

>===<>Amazing.
>===<>Words fail me.
>===<>And I suppose we should stop poking at Roy.
>===<>I hereby promise to stop reading Roy's posts,
>===<>under whatever name he puts them. I will ignore
>===<>his jibes. I won't make fun of his rants. They always
>===<>say the best way to deal with a bully is to ignore him.
>===<>
>===<>kathy


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Yabbadoo]

Kathy, Jan - thank you for your welcome and sense.

UK is also in the Western hemisphere, it is currently mid-winter approaching
Spring. We are about 40 miles North of London. To date, no snow, ambient
temperature varying between 32 and 50 degrees F.
I have a small pond, self-dug, about 800 gallons, made about about 10 years
ago. It did have an eclectic mix of fish, but two major catastrophes
occurred, both within the last year.

1/ My birthday and Father's Day were a week apart last year - my family
bought me several small Koi from THe Japanese Koi Co - UK fishery about 2
miles away, the largest Koi supplier in the UK. Within a week my pond fish
mostly died - I was left with just 5 fish, and had major problems
hospitalising them, completely draining the pond, totally cleaning and
re-conditioning.

(Have since discovered that the Japanese Joi Co (Henlow, Bedfordshire) is
locally known as the One Stop Shop - customers only shop there once .... my
experience is not uncommon).

2/ Having found two more reliable suppliers (one, 25 miles, the other, about
10 miles away) restocked the pond last year with a few small Koi. They
thrived and survived just fine, till last week. Then came the heron ....
I'm now down to just 3 fish left. My carelessness - forgot to re-cover the
pond with a net frame I made.

With 10 years or more pond-keeping (and, prior to that, near 30 of
tropicals) I am fairly competant - pond fish in particular. I have water
testing kit, but have yet to successfully defeat blanket weed. Despite the
low temperature, my blanket weed is thriving, I'm taking it out by the
net-load. My water is clear and pure, and within limits for all tests.

I've had the "electronic" water treatment (the coil thing round the water
outlet from the filter) for several years - cost me £99 (about $170) and
it's worthless. Enzyme treatments do work, but at $30 a throw, expensive for
just a few weeks freedom - and I'm not happy about the reduced oxygen level
when they're employed.

Am thinking about the "I Tronic" solution - in UK, £120, ($218) but - read
the reviews. This works chemically by passing pond water over a copper
anode (thus introducing a copper salt into the pond). Seems like it's a
VERY fine line between annihilating the blanketweed (which it does, VERY
effectively) and poisoning the fish ... just a very few parts per million
and the water becomes toxic to fish.

Somewhat belatedly, I realise that I'm babbling on about
fish/ponds/prooblems in an OT thread. I will leave it here (since it started
as a "thank you" relevant to this thread) but will re-post as a new topic,
editing the text appropriately. Just one thing - the reference you made to
"Queen's" English ( I had merely said, "English", as opposed to the Webster
variety) Surely, such reference is potentially contentious - not only to
British republicans, but also to Canadians (particularly Quebec) and other
former colonial countries - Australians spring to mind ?

Like you, yes I'm looking forward to late April - not only for the pond but
also the resumption of that quintessential English pastime - outdoor bowls
(the Sir Francis Drake variety). Must be one of the very few games still
played that can trace its origins back over more than 500 years!

Sincerely, Len.

"Yabbadoo" > wrote in message
...
> Jan, I appreciate your elucidation of the acronym "Porg", thank you.
>
> I'm 3,500+ miles away (on the other side of the Big Pond, aka the
> Atlantic) and yes, we are familiar with Star Trek, the Next Generation
> (and the Borg). Good series, but not as good as the original. My personal
> view, hopefully non-contentious, since I enjoy the repeats of both, time
> after time.
>
> At time of writing there's over 30 posts in this one thread, mostly
> sniping and payback between just a few individuals. Given that ng's are
> available and read world-wide, it's a pity that the content degenerates
> like this. From my ISP list of 36000+ ng's, this is one of only two ng's
> which are pond-related. The other isn't worth subscribing to, as it has no
> moderator whatsoever and as a consequence is filled with posts of "spam",
> porn or medication varieties.
>
> To date I've posted here thrice - first one yielded detailed info I asked
> for, a second gave good info to a pond newbie, the third (which you
> responded to, Jan) satisfied my curiosity (possibly other readers too,
> given the obscure derivation of "Porg"). Which, by definition and intent,
> is what both ng's and the WWW are all about - sharing information.
>
> Newbie (to this ng) I may be, but the sniping and carping exchanges
> devalue both the ng and the contributors doing it.
>
> I'm getting on (62), have a sense of humour and enjoy a good joke, but see
> little humour and no merit in most of the extended dialogue here. Note I
> kept ON topic (just) - "carping"? .... I apologise for any punctuation
> errors (typos) but not for my spelling, which is English, the mother
> tongue.
>
> Sincerely, Len.
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
>> >On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:08:30 GMT, "Yabbadoo" >
>> >wrote:
>>
>>>what's a porg? "People Of Restricted Growth"
>>>Len
>>
>> LOL! Well SOME people in here would surely fit that description. ;-)
>>
>> We say Pond Oriented Recreational Group. Originally though the word Porg
>> was a play on Star Trek Next Generation, if not a fan this will not make
>> much sense, but the Borg were half man, half machine aliens that wish to
>> rule to the world:
>>
>> The Borg said:
>> "We are _Borg_ resistant is futile, you will be assimilated."
>> The Porg say:
>> "We are Porg, resistant IS futile, you will be pond-elated."
>>
>> Btw, to join this latest "club" you have to PO Roy, and it doesn't take
>> much lately. Just heed the advice when you do, ignore Roy, we all do....
>> well except when he occasionally gives good pond advice, it's sometimes
>> hard to tell between all the name calling and sarcasm. The Water Spaniel
>> thread was interesting though, his, though he often mugs his handle.
>>
>> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
>
>

[kathy]

Len wrote <<Just one thing - the reference you made to
"Queen's" English>>

As a Canadian born, and mostly educated, child of American
parents I just got bowled away by singing 'God Save the Queen'
growing up ;-)

kathy

[REBEL JOE]

You know I kinda like to read roys posts. He has sure made it
interesting in here LOL. He'll take this wrong I'm sure but I think all
groups need a troll, for a better word. just to livein up the group once
in a while. And I think I'd put roy up there with the best of um I
always read his posts.



http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND

[WJHenderson]

I for one do not consider myself a troll......but you do have your
opinion........But for your comment you just lost your place on my
list!


On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 10:52:10 -0500, (REBEL JOE)
wrote:

>===<>You know I kinda like to read roys posts. He has sure made it
>===<>interesting in here LOL. He'll take this wrong I'm sure but I think all
>===<>groups need a troll, for a better word. just to livein up the group once
>===<>in a while. And I think I'd put roy up there with the best of um I
>===<>always read his posts.
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>
>===<>http://community.webtv.net/rebeljoe/POND


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Derek Broughton]

Normally, I wouldn't bother, but since you went to such trouble to be
noticed...

Donny (Roy) wrote:

> The thing you don't like is someone with an different opinion and that
> does not agree with you.

Actually, I _love_ someone with different opinions. Ask anybody here, I'm
always game for an argument.

> Were you always a spolied little brat that
> got only what he wanted and only his way when you were growing
> up...evidently so and you expect such now............

Yeah, right. I'm not the one who's getting killfiled by everybody on this
group.

> Show me a malicious post, or a post that has been OT

I don't care about OTs, and you're welcome to the occasional one. This, of
course, is one. Malicious? Changing your handle to "Nedra Sucks"
definitely constitutes malicious. As I said, you've been pretty good since
then. Annoying, but within the bounds of acceptability.

> dude............Whats good for one is good for others, show leaway to
> one it should and will go to others, posy crap about dogs, so can
> others, its already been stated its acceptable, so one persons posts
> should not be treated any different now should they...........I

Absolutely not. However, both K30s recent posts about dogs have also been
about ponds, so they're acceptable anyway.

> really think you spent too much times in a Salt mine and with your
> perceived attitude of getting your way and only your way is

That's exactly what it is - your perception.

I find it pretty odd that you can be so sure I need to get my own way with
you, when I'm trying so hard not to even see your posts - but you just keep
changing your name so that they come through. Me, I always post with my
real name, and a real email address. If you just want to make my life
miserable, why don't you use email and leave the rest of the ponders alone.
--
derek

[Lilly]

Since Labs are water dogs, they are at least marginally on-topic. ;-)

Lilly

Benign Vanilla wrote:
> Kathy's lab's are always welcome here, if you ask me.

[kathy]

Lilly wrote >> Since Labs are water dogs, they are at least
marginally on-topic ;-)<<

Would you believe our two labs won't swim!
Defective labradors!

Another point for on topic the poor fellow threw his bag of pot into
a stream. And I want to build a stream someday...

kathy

[Derek Broughton]

kathy wrote:

> Lilly wrote >> Since Labs are water dogs, they are at least
> marginally on-topic ;-)<<
>
> Would you believe our two labs won't swim!
> Defective labradors!
>
> Another point for on topic the poor fellow threw his bag of pot into
> a stream. And I want to build a stream someday...

My two water dogs (German Shorthaired Pointers), too (and the previous two
as well). Only my first GSP and my Schnauzer have been swimmers.
--
derek

[Bonnie NJ]

And I want to build a stream someday...
>
> kathy
If you're looking for a location to build that stream - I know a good
location in NJ ;-)
Bonnie
NJ

[2pods]

> Another point for on topic the poor fellow threw his bag of pot into
> a stream. And I want to build a stream someday...
>
> kathy
>
Was it for the Stone(ed) Loaches ?

.....I'll get my coat....

Peter

[WJHenderson]

So why all the fuss when i posted about water spaniels?
duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


On 18 Feb 2005 10:33:38 -0800, "Lilly" >
wrote:

>===<>Since Labs are water dogs, they are at least marginally on-topic. ;-)
>===<>
>===<>Lilly
>===<>
>===<>Benign Vanilla wrote:
>===<>> Kathy's lab's are always welcome here, if you ask me.


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On Fri, 18 Feb Roy wrote:

>So why all the fuss when i posted about water spaniels?
>duh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I must not be getting all the posts, cause I didn't see no fuss.
~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Benign Vanilla]

"kathy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Lilly wrote >> Since Labs are water dogs, they are at least
> marginally on-topic ;-)<<
>
> Would you believe our two labs won't swim!
> Defective labradors!
>
> Another point for on topic the poor fellow threw his bag of pot into
> a stream. And I want to build a stream someday...
>

Is pot a good filter plant? :)


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
Come post on our forums...PLEASE!!!
http://www.iheartmypond.com/phpbb
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[kathy]

BV wrote
>Is pot a good filter plant? :)

hmmmm, there does seem to be lots of
information online about Hydroponic
growing systems...


kathy