Heron

[Mostyn]

I live in the UK. Last year I had a visit from a heron and he cleaned out
all my goldfish.
so since then I have rebuilt my pond and made it bigger so I can switch over
this year to Jap Koi Carp, I have put in a larger better filtration system
and pump, But my only fear is that dammed Heron, so if any one can sagest a
way to stop his visits this year especially after I restock with koi I would
be grateful.
Mostyn

[kathy]

Some suggestions for herons that
have worked for pond keepers are

- motion activated sprinker systems, setting two
in a cross pattern
- electric shock fence barriers
- a series of wires strung above the pond making it hard to land
- netting the pond

What works for you will depend on how your pond is situated and how
your yard is set up.Herons need some landing room as they have a wide
wing span but they can land away from the pond and walk in. They like
to stand and watch for their prey to swim by but they can float around
like a duck if needed.

For my pond having two labradors on guard duty took care of my heron
visitor. But it also helped that I was home and able to eject the dogs
from the sofa and out the door to do their duty ;-)

kathy

[~ Windsong ~]

"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> I live in the UK. Last year I had a visit from a heron and he cleaned out
> all my goldfish.
> so since then I have rebuilt my pond and made it bigger so I can switch
over
> this year to Jap Koi Carp, I have put in a larger better filtration system
> and pump, But my only fear is that dammed Heron, so if any one can sagest
a
> way to stop his visits this year especially after I restock with koi I
would
> be grateful.
=======================
I've had YEARS of experience with herons. We see them here about year
'round. The only thing that we found (other ponders I know in my area) that
worked was to NET the ponds with a fine bird netting. Once herons get a few
meals at your pond they will come back continuously. Some people may
suggest those motion spray things - but the herons will learn to come up
BEHIND them and so avoid being sprayed and startled. The nets also keep
out the other fish predators such as bullfrogs, snakes, King Fishers and
snapper/mud turtles. Just my 2¢ worth. :-)
--
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"People who want to share their religious views with you almost
never want you to share yours with them."
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Roy]

And from all the perverted news groups forums you patronize it appears
you have some experieince in more than Herons.........

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:07:34 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> I live in the UK. Last year I had a visit from a heron and he cleaned out
>===<>> all my goldfish.
>===<>> so since then I have rebuilt my pond and made it bigger so I can switch
>===<>over
>===<>> this year to Jap Koi Carp, I have put in a larger better filtration system
>===<>> and pump, But my only fear is that dammed Heron, so if any one can sagest
>===<>a
>===<>> way to stop his visits this year especially after I restock with koi I
>===<>would
>===<>> be grateful.
>===<>=======================
>===<>I've had YEARS of experience with herons. We see them here about year
>===<>'round. The only thing that we found (other ponders I know in my area) that
>===<>worked was to NET the ponds with a fine bird netting. Once herons get a few
>===<>meals at your pond they will come back continuously. Some people may
>===<>suggest those motion spray things - but the herons will learn to come up
>===<>BEHIND them and so avoid being sprayed and startled. The nets also keep
>===<>out the other fish predators such as bullfrogs, snakes, King Fishers and
>===<>snapper/mud turtles. Just my 2¢ worth. :-)


REMEMBER: "This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Hal]

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 00:43:37 GMT, "Mostyn" >
wrote:

>I live in the UK. Last year I had a visit from a heron and he cleaned out
>all my goldfish.
>so since then I have rebuilt my pond and made it bigger so I can switch over
>this year to Jap Koi Carp, I have put in a larger better filtration system
>and pump, But my only fear is that dammed Heron, so if any one can sagest a
>way to stop his visits this year especially after I restock with koi I would
>be grateful.
>Mostyn
>
The short version, clutter up the landing area. A heron can have a
6' wing span and can land and walk over to the pond, but won't land in
an area where something will touch it's wings. Some have used
overhead wires. I (With my wife's help.) turned my yard into a
junkyard of ornamental windmill, flags, wind chimes and flower pot
holders with a few plants like 6' dwarf maples and Miss Huff lantana.

This is my most vulnerable time of the year, because I just cut the
lantana brush left from last year's growth, but I suspect the taller
structures like the gazebo and my neighbors 10' fence (basketball
half-court) adjacent to the lantana bed discourage the heron from
landing in that corner of our small yard.

Regards,

Hal

[~ Windsong ~]

"Roy" > wrote in message
...
> And from all the perverted news groups forums you patronize it appears
> you have some experieince in more than Herons.........
==================================
It appears you never learned to read HEADERS and use www.arin.com . Now
then, tell us what YOU were doing on all the sex and porn NGs Jabriol
(Antonio L. Santana-Candia) frequents? :-)
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[San Diego Joe]

"Mostyn" wrote:

> I live in the UK. Last year I had a visit from a heron and he cleaned out
> all my goldfish.
> so since then I have rebuilt my pond and made it bigger so I can switch over
> this year to Jap Koi Carp, I have put in a larger better filtration system
> and pump, But my only fear is that dammed Heron, so if any one can sagest a
> way to stop his visits this year especially after I restock with koi I would
> be grateful.
> Mostyn
>
>
I have a motion activated sprinkler called a scarecrow. I haven't had a
problem since (knock on wood). I may get a second one this year for better
coverage.

San Diego Joe
4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
Goldfish, a RES named Colombo and an Oscar.

[HendleyWM]

I only found them after doing a simple google search on your name,
seems your quite popular in those arenas. No denying it headers all
match, only the user name changes, right down to the style and DNS
given in headers. Your the one in need of a clue windbag..........

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:51:48 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Roy" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> And from all the perverted news groups forums you patronize it appears
>===<>> you have some experieince in more than Herons.........
>===<>==================================
>===<>It appears you never learned to read HEADERS and use www.arin.com . Now
>===<>then, tell us what YOU were doing on all the sex and porn NGs Jabriol
>===<>(Antonio L. Santana-Candia) frequents? :-)

[~ Windsong ~]

"HendleyWM" > wrote in message
...
> I only found them after doing a simple google search on your name,
> seems your quite popular in those arenas.

** No do a search on learning how to read headers and know which posts are
real and which are forgeries.

No denying it headers all
> match,

** And not one can be traced to my ISP. :-)

only the user name changes, right down to the style and DNS
> given in headers. Your the one in need of a clue windbag..........

** Nice try but no cigar. Learn how to read HEADERS, none of them
originated from my ISP. You didn't even notice he's using an old "dead"
e-mail account from years ago. You know why dummy? Because Jabriol doesn't
KNOW my new account names. :-)
--

Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Where the hell is Easy Street?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Koi-ichi]

So tell us windbag, did you get in the sack with this here Jabriol and
invite the heron to join or what? Sounds like a kind of kinky
threesome to me...........I bet there are a few here that would like
to try that......Perhaps if youj sprinkled some salt on Jabriol, and I
am sure you have it being the ardent ponder you claim to be, he may
have simply dissolved like a slug....now don;t get me wrong, I am not
callin Jabriol a slug, as he does seem like a really nice person who
has been hassled by a lunatic bitch.......but then again with being so
careless and inept as you are at many things, you wold spill salt on
yourself as well and probably meet an even worser fate......

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:14:59 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"HendleyWM" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> I only found them after doing a simple google search on your name,
>===<>> seems your quite popular in those arenas.
>===<>
>===<>** No do a search on learning how to read headers and know which posts are
>===<>real and which are forgeries.
>===<>
>===<>No denying it headers all
>===<>> match,
>===<>
>===<>** And not one can be traced to my ISP. :-)
>===<>
>===<>only the user name changes, right down to the style and DNS
>===<>> given in headers. Your the one in need of a clue windbag..........
>===<>
>===<>** Nice try but no cigar. Learn how to read HEADERS, none of them
>===<>originated from my ISP. You didn't even notice he's using an old "dead"
>===<>e-mail account from years ago. You know why dummy? Because Jabriol doesn't
>===<>KNOW my new account names. :-)

[Roy]

I see to keep things on topic you added Herons to your dire need for
Sex in NG's.............
Are you a slut or what? Ot are you looking for a Heron and Sex related
newsgroup forum? Sounds kinky to me, better watch it, beastiality is
illegal.



On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 15:14:59 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"HendleyWM" > wrote in message
...
>===<>> I only found them after doing a simple google search on your name,
>===<>> seems your quite popular in those arenas.
>===<>
>===<>** No do a search on learning how to read headers and know which posts are
>===<>real and which are forgeries.
>===<>
>===<>No denying it headers all
>===<>> match,
>===<>
>===<>** And not one can be traced to my ISP. :-)
>===<>
>===<>only the user name changes, right down to the style and DNS
>===<>> given in headers. Your the one in need of a clue windbag..........
>===<>
>===<>** Nice try but no cigar. Learn how to read HEADERS, none of them
>===<>originated from my ISP. You didn't even notice he's using an old "dead"
>===<>e-mail account from years ago. You know why dummy? Because Jabriol doesn't
>===<>KNOW my new account names. :-)

[~ Windsong ~]

"San Diego Joe" > wrote in message
news:1109010282.8f40b32416a08ce5dbb243328e28ffc9@t eranews...
> I have a motion activated sprinkler called a scarecrow. I haven't had a
> problem since (knock on wood). I may get a second one this year for better
> coverage.
==============
As long as the herons don't learn to come up BEHIND the sprinkler, you're in
good shape.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Where the hell is Easy Street?"
===============================

[Richard K]

But I assume you like when they come up behind you huh Windbag?

On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:00:40 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"San Diego Joe" > wrote in message
>===<>news:1109010282.8f40b32416a08ce5dbb243328e28ffc9@t eranews...
>===<>> I have a motion activated sprinkler called a scarecrow. I haven't had a
>===<>> problem since (knock on wood). I may get a second one this year for better
>===<>> coverage.
>===<>==============
>===<>As long as the herons don't learn to come up BEHIND the sprinkler, you're in
>===<>good shape.

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:00:40 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>==============
>As long as the herons don't learn to come up BEHIND the sprinkler, you're in
>good shape.

You lost me. I walk up from behind my sprinkler, but I still have to get in
front of it to get to the pond. If people read the directions and have the
motion sensor pointed at the pond, I would think they would be fine. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 17:00:40 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:
>
> >==============
> >As long as the herons don't learn to come up BEHIND the sprinkler, you're
in
> >good shape.
>
> You lost me. I walk up from behind my sprinkler, but I still have to get
in
> front of it to get to the pond. If people read the directions and have the
> motion sensor pointed at the pond, I would think they would be fine. ~ jan
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~
===============================
She showed me a pic of the heron avoiding the spray by coming up behind the
thing, and fishing next to it. The herons learned to avoid the spray. I
can't explain it any better.
--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>===============================
>She showed me a pic of the heron avoiding the spray by coming up behind the
>thing, and fishing next to it. The herons learned to avoid the spray. I
>can't explain it any better.

Ooooh, she had it too close to the pond in that case. Kind of like that
heron video BV has a link to on his website, where the fish string is too
close to the pond and the heron just snaked it's head under. Gulp!
~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[Dragon Koi]

I trained my dog to kill them. If you're not good at dog training a rifle
that fires 22 shorts is sub-sonic.

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"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
|I live in the UK. Last year I had a visit from a heron and he cleaned out
| all my goldfish.
| so since then I have rebuilt my pond and made it bigger so I can switch
over
| this year to Jap Koi Carp, I have put in a larger better filtration system
| and pump, But my only fear is that dammed Heron, so if any one can sagest
a
| way to stop his visits this year especially after I restock with koi I
would
| be grateful.
| Mostyn
|
|

[Benign Vanilla]

"Mostyn" > wrote in message
...
> I live in the UK. Last year I had a visit from a heron and he cleaned out
> all my goldfish.
> so since then I have rebuilt my pond and made it bigger so I can switch
over
> this year to Jap Koi Carp, I have put in a larger better filtration system
> and pump, But my only fear is that dammed Heron, so if any one can sagest
a
> way to stop his visits this year especially after I restock with koi I
would
> be grateful.


Many ponders claim a motion activated sprinkler can help. Here is an example
of one on Amazon.com, http://ihmp.net/@/br.


--
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http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Benign Vanilla]

"Hal" > wrote in message
...
<snip>
> The short version, clutter up the landing area. A heron can have a
> 6' wing span and can land and walk over to the pond, but won't land in
> an area where something will touch it's wings. Some have used
> overhead wires. I (With my wife's help.) turned my yard into a
> junkyard of ornamental windmill, flags, wind chimes and flower pot
> holders with a few plants like 6' dwarf maples and Miss Huff lantana.
>
> This is my most vulnerable time of the year, because I just cut the
> lantana brush left from last year's growth, but I suspect the taller
> structures like the gazebo and my neighbors 10' fence (basketball
> half-court) adjacent to the lantana bed discourage the heron from
> landing in that corner of our small yard.

My Heron landed only on our swingset. We have not yet seen him on the
ground. I am ready and waiting to attack him with my sonic repulsion
weapons, if neccessary.


--
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Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com/animals/birds/heron
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
>
> >===============================
> >She showed me a pic of the heron avoiding the spray by coming up behind
the
> >thing, and fishing next to it. The herons learned to avoid the spray. I
> >can't explain it any better.
>
> Ooooh, she had it too close to the pond in that case. Kind of like that
> heron video BV has a link to on his website, where the fish string is too
> close to the pond and the heron just snaked it's head under. Gulp!
> ~ jan
>
> ~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

That video is here, http://www.iheartmypond.com/animals/birds/heron/.


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I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[kathy]

I was going to ask, but forgot, are
herons a protected bird in the UK
like they are in North America?

kathy

[kathy]

I spotted our heron first by the pond.
Second time he was on top of the shed.
Third time he was perched on the fence.

Every time we scared him off, the labradors
and me.

kathy

[~ Windsong ~]

"kathy" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I spotted our heron first by the pond.
> Second time he was on top of the shed.
> Third time he was perched on the fence.
>
> Every time we scared him off, the labradors
> and me.
==========================
I must ask this... do you sit at the window from sun up to sun down guarding
your pond from herons? When happens if you have to go take a shower or run
to the grocery store? Who watches your pond until you get back?
--
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[kathy]

Carol, tediously, wrote >>I must ask this... do you sit at the window
from sun up to sun down guarding
your pond from herons? When happens if you have to go take a shower
or run
to the grocery store? Who watches your pond until you get back? <<

Yes, Carol. I do nothing all day but sit by the window and watch the
pond. The dogs are kept by my side at all times. I employ a shopper to
do all my grocery shopping. I haven't taken a bath or shower in, oh,
five years. I haven't taken a vacation, I haven't seen my kids sports
events. Why I even skipped the twins' graduation. And in all that time,
Carol, the heron NEVER came back.
And I will never, ever net my pond, just to tick you off. Hordes of
snakes, dozens of bullfrogs, platoons of herons and kingfishers could
arrive at my pond and CLEAN it out and I will never net my pond. Never,
ever, ever.

kathy

[Crashj]

On or about Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:04 GMT, "Dragon Koi"
> wrote something like:

>I trained my dog to kill them. If you're not good at dog training a rifle
>that fires 22 shorts is sub-sonic.

Oh, that will bring in the neighbors and the game commission post
haste. Remember, shooting one is a Federal rap here on the west shore
of the big salty pond.
If you are giong to pop them with the .22, there are fine shot shells
available in rimfire.
"How do I know ? I just do."
--
Crashj

[Anne Lurie]

Carol,

I know you are bitter -- from things that HAVE NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO
WITH THIS NEWSGROUP.

But, seriously, give it a rest. If not for yourself, for the rest of us
here.

You need to talk to someone -- but you do NOT deserve to take out your
frustrations on the rest of us.

Anne Lurie
Raleigh, NC




"~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
...
>
> "kathy" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> I spotted our heron first by the pond.
>> Second time he was on top of the shed.
>> Third time he was perched on the fence.
>>
>> Every time we scared him off, the labradors
>> and me.
> ==========================
> I must ask this... do you sit at the window from sun up to sun down
> guarding
> your pond from herons? When happens if you have to go take a shower or
> run
> to the grocery store? Who watches your pond until you get back?
> --
> Carol.... the frugal ponder...
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:03:25 GMT, Crashj wrote:

>If you are giong to pop them with the .22, there are fine shot shells
>available in rimfire.
>"How do I know ? I just do."

Must do a heck of a number on a liner pond. "Sorry honey, I hit the heron,
but also the pond, which I didn't notice as I went in for a congratulatory
Bud. The pond slowly leaked away and the fish didn't make it." Oops! ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
> Carol,
>
> I know you are bitter -- from things that HAVE NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO
> WITH THIS NEWSGROUP.

# No my dear YOU are the bitter one. I have nothing to be "bitter" about.

> But, seriously, give it a rest. If not for yourself, for the rest of us
> here.

# Give WHAT a rest?

> You need to talk to someone -

# About what?

- but you do NOT deserve to take out your
> frustrations on the rest of us.

# Who have I taken anything out on? You? ????? Are you some kind of
armchair psychiatrist? :-))) I simply thought it strange that someone
would spend all their waking hours somehow guarding their pond with a few
dogs. That's how her posts came across. Now please check out the
alt.support.mental.health NG. You may be happier there??!?!

> Anne Lurie
> Raleigh, NC
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Where the hell is Easy Street?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Dragon Koi]

You know, I am just kidding (except about the dog).
I did have someone tell me in CA State law says it's legal to protect your
livestock?

Also, If it is legal to use an electric fence. I guess it would be okay to
use an electric koi. If you took some of the floating koi that are supposed
to deter herons and hooked them up to the fence wire with a pin that pulled
like a grenade to make the conection after he had the koi out of the water.

Anyone have a link to the actual federal law?


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"Crashj" > wrote in message
...
| On or about Tue, 22 Feb 2005 07:59:04 GMT, "Dragon Koi"
| > wrote something like:
|
| >I trained my dog to kill them. If you're not good at dog training a rifle
| >that fires 22 shorts is sub-sonic.
|
| Oh, that will bring in the neighbors and the game commission post
| haste. Remember, shooting one is a Federal rap here on the west shore
| of the big salty pond.
| If you are giong to pop them with the .22, there are fine shot shells
| available in rimfire.
| "How do I know ? I just do."
| --
| Crashj

[Tommie]

Frustrated Windsong?......too many irons in the fire, too many
husbands, make that ex-husbands and bad blood to flush, and is it not
about time your on the hunt for hubby number____?_____ as I am sure by
this time whay has to be a record for you in length of time married is
about due a change.........Ya kno0w some states do havea limit on the
amunt of times a person can be married, and I know from counting your
"HUSBANDS (ex that is)" on your website you would have exceeded that
amount in most states, which IIRC is somewhere in the neighborhood of
5 or 6 chances........But yea, I know, they were all at fault and not
you...........of all those loosers you have to pick em all. No
wonder your so down on males etc in the other forums, they certainly
show you no respect do they dearie? Such a perfect woman and can'[t
finds a perfect mate out of all those husbands, I would be bitter to
if I was you.........
Just Roy

On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 21:30:12 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>===<>
>===<>"Anne Lurie" > wrote in message
. com...
>===<>> Carol,
>===<>>
>===<>> I know you are bitter -- from things that HAVE NOTHING WHATSOEVER TO DO
>===<>> WITH THIS NEWSGROUP.
>===<>
>===<># No my dear YOU are the bitter one. I have nothing to be "bitter" about.
>===<>
>===<>> But, seriously, give it a rest. If not for yourself, for the rest of us
>===<>> here.
>===<>
>===<># Give WHAT a rest?
>===<>
>===<>> You need to talk to someone -
>===<>
>===<># About what?
>===<>
>===<>- but you do NOT deserve to take out your
>===<>> frustrations on the rest of us.
>===<>
>===<># Who have I taken anything out on? You? ????? Are you some kind of
>===<>armchair psychiatrist? :-))) I simply thought it strange that someone
>===<>would spend all their waking hours somehow guarding their pond with a few
>===<>dogs. That's how her posts came across. Now please check out the
>===<>alt.support.mental.health NG. You may be happier there??!?!
>===<>
>===<>> Anne Lurie
>===<>> Raleigh, NC

WINDSONG......the ability to play musical tunes by farting!

This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[kathy]

Dragon Koi wrote >>Anyone have a link to the actual
federal law?<<

I do :-)
http://laws.fws.gov/lawsdigest/migtrea.html

You can not "pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take,
capture or kill, possess"

That still leaves harsh language and dirty looks.

kathy

[Roy]

Yep not that your apt to read this post but here it is just the
same.
Applies to USA:
http://migratorybirds.fws.gov/intrnltr/mbta/mbtintro.html
And the Canuck version:
http://www.cws-scf.ec.gc.ca/enforce/law_1_e.cfm


On 23 Feb 2005 07:41:12 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:

>===<>Dragon Koi wrote >>Anyone have a link to the actual
>===<>federal law?<<
>===<>
>===<>I do :-)
>===<>http://laws.fws.gov/lawsdigest/migtrea.html
>===<>
>===<>You can not "pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take,
>===<>capture or kill, possess"
>===<>
>===<>That still leaves harsh language and dirty looks.
>===<>
>===<>kathy

WINDSONG......the ability to play musical tunes by farting!

This is worth repeating for benefit of al newbies!
Jo Ann asked Dr. Solo to remind people that while she has retired from selling GF (and sold
the business to Ken Fischer http://dandyorandas.com/) she has NOT retired from
helping people with sick GF and koi FOR FREE. 251-649-4790 phoning is best for
diagnosis. but, can try email put "help sick fish" in subject. Get your fish at Dandy Orandas
Dandy Orandas Dandy Orandas........you guys got that DANDY ORANDAS

[Hal]

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:03:25 GMT, Crashj
> wrote:

>If you are giong to pop them with the .22, there are fine shot shells
>available in rimfire.
>"How do I know ? I just do."

The pellets are tiny and are only effective for killing small
varmints, like rats at close range. I wouldn't even shoot a snake
with one that would be cruel. (I'd kill the snake with a stick.) I
feel the same about the heron. If I were to shoot one it would be
with something that would kill it, not wound it to fly away and die
somewhere someone else could watch it die. That someone else might
be more sensitive than I, plus he might call the Wildlife people.

Regards,

Hal

[Benign Vanilla]

"kathy" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> I spotted our heron first by the pond.
> Second time he was on top of the shed.
> Third time he was perched on the fence.
>
> Every time we scared him off, the labradors
> and me.

I find that usage of sonic warfare helps greatly. Our canine sonic brigade
works very well.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
...
>
> "kathy" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > I spotted our heron first by the pond.
> > Second time he was on top of the shed.
> > Third time he was perched on the fence.
> >
> > Every time we scared him off, the labradors
> > and me.
> ==========================
> I must ask this... do you sit at the window from sun up to sun down
guarding
> your pond from herons? When happens if you have to go take a shower or
run
> to the grocery store? Who watches your pond until you get back?

I certainly don't. Thank god the MD Herons have the same schedule as I do.


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[Benign Vanilla]

"kathy" > wrote in message
oups.com...

<snip>
> I haven't taken a bath or shower in, oh, five years.
<snip>

Now you are not being truthful. There is no way you have gone five years
without falling into your pond. I don't believe it. :)


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[kathy]

BV wrote >> there is now way you have gone five
years without falling into your pond<<

Shhhhhh! Don't tell the neighbors, I keep shampoo and
creme rinse out there!

kathy

[~ Windsong ~]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
> > I must ask this... do you sit at the window from sun up to sun down
> guarding
> > your pond from herons? When happens if you have to go take a shower or
> run
> > to the grocery store? Who watches your pond until you get back?
>
> I certainly don't. Thank god the MD Herons have the same schedule as I do.
==========================================>
Ours didn't. They came as soon as it was light enough for them to see,
before we were even awake most mornings. They also came back around
sundown. In spring and early summer they came and went all day long.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
http://www.heartoftn.net/users/windsong/index.html
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

On 23 Feb 2005 07:41:12 -0800, "kathy" > wrote:

>http://laws.fws.gov/lawsdigest/migtrea.html
>
>You can not "pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take,
>capture or kill, possess"
>
>That still leaves harsh language and dirty looks. kathy

As long as there nothing under "accidentally" tossing a broom at it, I can
live with that. ;) ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ jan JJsPond.us]

>On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:18:39 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:

>Ours didn't. They came as soon as it was light enough for them to see,
>before we were even awake most mornings. They also came back around
>sundown. In spring and early summer they came and went all day long.

Carol, you sooo live in the wrong area to have ponding as a hobby, I
commend you on your tenacity!

Below is only a recommendation for those to whom it applies, but if you
have the ponds close to the house or fencing, I've gone to some ponds where
the netting is up high, so one just walks right under, doesn't interfere
with pond plant growth or working in the pond that way. Course it takes
many sheets of it to get it up like that and than down to the ground around
the far edges, so Mr. Heron can't walk under also. ~ jan

~Power to the Porg, Flow On!~

[~ Windsong ~]

"~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
...
> >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:18:39 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:
>
> >Ours didn't. They came as soon as it was light enough for them to see,
> >before we were even awake most mornings. They also came back around
> >sundown. In spring and early summer they came and went all day long.
>
> Carol, you sooo live in the wrong area to have ponding as a hobby, I
> commend you on your tenacity!

## You go that right. Besides the herons there's the King Fishers, the
water snakes, the snapping turtles, huge bullfrogs... the list goes on and
on....

> Below is only a recommendation for those to whom it applies, but if you
> have the ponds close to the house or fencing, I've gone to some ponds
where
> the netting is up high, so one just walks right under, doesn't interfere
> with pond plant growth or working in the pond that way. Course it takes
> many sheets of it to get it up like that and than down to the ground
around
> the far edges, so Mr. Heron can't walk under also. ~ jan

## We considered something like that but chose the lower route. The nets
are about 24" above the water surface since it's draped over those wire
garden fences.


Carol.... the frugal ponder...
"Where the hell is Easy Street?"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"kathy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Carol, tediously, wrote >>I must ask this... do you sit at the window
> from sun up to sun down guarding
> your pond from herons? When happens if you have to go take a shower
> or run
> to the grocery store? Who watches your pond until you get back? <<
==================================
> Yes, Carol. I do nothing all day but sit by the window and watch the
> pond. The dogs are kept by my side at all times.

## That must be awful tedious and boring after months and months.

I employ a shopper to
> do all my grocery shopping. I haven't taken a bath or shower in, oh,
> five years.

## Oh, you poor thing! Maybe a neighbor can give you some relief??!?!?!

I haven't taken a vacation, I haven't seen my kids sports
> events. Why I even skipped the twins' graduation. And in all that time,
> Carol, the heron NEVER came back.

## Lucky you! Others have them come back day after day.....

> And I will never, ever net my pond, just to tick you off.

## Just to tick *me* off? I don't care if you lose your fish, why should
I? If you don't value them, I sure don't. Just curious, why would you
want to tick off a total stranger on Usenet? I ask a question and you want
to "tick me off?" Now that's Bizarre! You're the one who paid for your
fish, not me. It's your loss, not mine.

Hordes of
> snakes, dozens of bullfrogs, platoons of herons and kingfishers could
> arrive at my pond and CLEAN it out and I will never net my pond. Never,
> ever, ever.

## It's your money and your feeders.... :-)

> kathy

Carol.... the frugal ponder...
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[kathy]

Carol, Carol, Carol....

Irony
The term irony is derived from the Greek eiron (dissembler), and
denotes that the appearance of things differs from their reality,
whether in terms of meaning, situation, or action. That is, it is
ironical when there is a difference between what is spoken and what is
meant (see verbal irony ). what is thought about a situation and what
is actually the case; or what is intended by actions and what is their
actual outcome (see dramatic irony.)

In stable irony there is a constant perspective from which to perceive
the underlying meaning; whereas in unstable irony there is no
perspective that is not itself undercut ironically. (See allegory,
satire, point of view .)

Dramatic Irony is a situation in which the reader or audience knows
more about the immediate circumstances or future events of a story than
a character within it; thus the audience is able to see a discrepancy
between characters' perceptions and the reality they face. Characters'
beliefs become ironic because they are very different or opposite from
the reality of their immediate situation, and their intentions are
likewise different from the outcome their actions will have.

Audiences familiar--like the original Greek spectators--with the legend
of Oedipus know that the hero of Sophocles' tragedy is guilty of the
evil he seeks to punish, and they can therefore fully appreciate
Oedipus' blindness as he self-righteously hunts down the murderer of
Laius--not only blind that he is the murderer, but that Laius is his
father and that he is presently married to his own mother.

Similarly, Othello's hatred of Desdemona for cuckolding him is more
horrible and tragic because the audience knows he is deceived by Iago
and can watch every step of his error. Dramatic irony can produce comic
effects when the ignorance of characters merely makes them appear
ridiculous, or when the unintended results of their actions are
humorous.

Structural irony occurs when a double level of meaning is continued
throughout a work by means of some inherent feature such as a hero,
narrator, or persona who is either naive or fallible (a participant in
the story whose judgment is impaired by prejudice, personal interests
or limited knowledge).

In Swift's Gulliver's Travel's (1726), the narrator who recounts his
own travels is both naive and fallible: he credulously idealizes some
of the peoples he encounters despite their follies; and his judgments
are biased by conservative morality and personal pride. Narrow
conventional morality also biases Nelly Dean, the narrator of Emily
Bronte's Wuthering Heights (1847); and in Shakespeare's As You Like It,
the continuing disguise of Rosalind as the young man Ganymede leads to
multiple levels of dramatic and structural irony.

[Dragon Koi]

Thanks, Interesting. It doesn't say you can't beat the crap out of them and
break their legs. That's why they're so damn sneaky and fly away.
--
Try to beat the DragonKoi at Poker Champs...
https://secure.pokerchamps.com/pokerpublic/arequest?acode=DRAGONKOI

"kathy" > wrote in message
ups.com...
| Dragon Koi wrote >>Anyone have a link to the actual
| federal law?<<
|
| I do :-)
| http://laws.fws.gov/lawsdigest/migtrea.html
|
| You can not "pursue, hunt, take, capture, kill, attempt to take,
| capture or kill, possess"
|
| That still leaves harsh language and dirty looks.
|
| kathy
|

[Derek Broughon]

On Wed, 2005-23-02 at 13:18 -0600, ~ Windsong ~ wrote:
> "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > I certainly don't. Thank god the MD Herons have the same schedule as I do.
> ==========================================>
> Ours didn't. They came as soon as it was light enough for them to see,
> before we were even awake most mornings. They also came back around
> sundown. In spring and early summer they came and went all day long.

Ours had very clearly defined patterns. They'd fly over in the early
morning, feed all day in the creek to the north of us, then fly back at
dusk. I don't think they ever stopped at my pond in the morning, and
rarely before late afternoon.
--
derek

[Benign Vanilla]

"~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
...
>
> "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:18:39 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:
> >
> > >Ours didn't. They came as soon as it was light enough for them to see,
> > >before we were even awake most mornings. They also came back around
> > >sundown. In spring and early summer they came and went all day long.
> >
> > Carol, you sooo live in the wrong area to have ponding as a hobby, I
> > commend you on your tenacity!
>
> ## You go that right. Besides the herons there's the King Fishers, the
> water snakes, the snapping turtles, huge bullfrogs... the list goes on and
> on....

<snip>

Y'ad think you live in an amazon jungle. :)


--
BV
Webporgmaster of iheartmypond.com
http://www.iheartmypond.com
I'll be leaning on the bus stop post.

[~ Windsong ~]

"Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
...
>
> "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "~ jan JJsPond.us" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 13:18:39 -0600, "~ Windsong ~" <P@P> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Ours didn't. They came as soon as it was light enough for them to
see,
> > > >before we were even awake most mornings. They also came back around
> > > >sundown. In spring and early summer they came and went all day long.
> > >
> > > Carol, you sooo live in the wrong area to have ponding as a hobby, I
> > > commend you on your tenacity!
> >
> > ## You go that right. Besides the herons there's the King Fishers, the
> > water snakes, the snapping turtles, huge bullfrogs... the list goes on
and
> > on....
>
> <snip>
>
> Y'ad think you live in an amazon jungle. :)
==============================
Hey, I'm 6 miles from the nearest town and by a huge lake owned by the Cof E
= Gov. land full of wildlife. Besides the fish predators we also have
cranes, skinks, southern sliders and boxturtles, deer, possums, wood chucks,
rabbits, skunk, fox both red and blue, squirrels both gray and red, coyotes,
wild turkeys, loads of ducks and Canadian geese. I'm sure I forgot a few.
So yes, it's kinda like a Jungle here. :-)
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
I have a firm grip on reality.
Now I can strangle it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[~ Windsong ~]

"Derek Broughon" > wrote in message
. ca...
> On Wed, 2005-23-02 at 13:18 -0600, ~ Windsong ~ wrote:
> > "Benign Vanilla" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > I certainly don't. Thank god the MD Herons have the same schedule as I
do.
> > ==========================================>
> > Ours didn't. They came as soon as it was light enough for them to see,
> > before we were even awake most mornings. They also came back around
> > sundown. In spring and early summer they came and went all day long.
================================================== ====
> Ours had very clearly defined patterns. They'd fly over in the early
> morning, feed all day in the creek to the north of us, then fly back at
> dusk. I don't think they ever stopped at my pond in the morning, and
> rarely before late afternoon.
> --
> derek
========================
With as many as we had here, and being unable to tell them apart as
individuals, it hard to say what pattern they had. We would often see one
fishing our ponds while another sat in a tree or on the garage roof waiting
it's turn (I guess). Or one would be fishing in the ponds out front while
another was behind the house picking the breeding pools clean. We'd also
see one fishing the farm pond next door (they raise cattle). It was a
hopeless cause.... it came down to selling all the fish before we lost them
to these birds, or net the ponds and pools behind the house. The King
Fishers were also a problem, but to a lesser degree. Although we never saw
a crane by our ponds - we did see them fly overhead since we're so close to
the lake.
--
Carol.... the frugal ponder...
I have a firm grip on reality.
Now I can strangle it.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Crashj]

On or about 22 Feb 2005 15:29:09 -0800, "kathy" > wrote
something like:

>Carol, tediously, wrote
>>I must ask this... do you sit at the window from sun up to sun down
>> guarding your pond from herons?
>> When happens if you have to go take a shower or run
>>to the grocery store?
>>Who watches your pond until you get back? <<
>
>Yes, Carol. I do nothing all day but sit by the window and watch the
>pond. The dogs are kept by my side at all times. I employ a shopper to
>do all my grocery shopping.

Well, shucks, let me help a spell. You can bring your computer over to
the window and use my website to go shopping. We have most everything,
or access to stores that do, including groceries.
Help support my ponding habit, visit us and shop the internet at:
www.GoNowShop.com

"No, really"
--
Crashj

[kathy]

OOOoooooo,
548 chocolate offerings..... :-))))))))

kathy

[Crashj]

On or about 24 Feb 2005 12:02:58 -0800, "kathy" > wrote
something like:
>OOOoooooo,
>548 chocolate offerings..... :-))))))))
>
>kathy

Don't just sit there, buy something ;-)
You know you need it.
Lots of these stores have free shipping.
If you like chocolate, read about "MochaTonix™ - the fat-burning,
energy-enhancing brain booster that can help you think and feel your
very best."
A search on "pond filter" is very informative, also.
--
Crashj

[jedi]

"Crashj" > wrote in message
...
> On or about 24 Feb 2005 12:02:58 -0800, "kathy" > wrote
> something like:
> >OOOoooooo,
> >548 chocolate offerings..... :-))))))))
> >
> >kathy
>
> Don't just sit there, buy something ;-)
> You know you need it.
> Lots of these stores have free shipping.
> If you like chocolate, read about "MochaTonixT - the fat-burning,
> energy-enhancing brain booster that can help you think and feel your
> very best."
> A search on "pond filter" is very informative, also.
> --
> Crashj

OK, now you've tempted me. Post the link again would you please?

[Crashj]

On or about Fri, 25 Feb 2005 10:46:20 -0500, "jedi"
> wrote something like:

>
>"Crashj" > wrote in message
...
>> On or about 24 Feb 2005 12:02:58 -0800, "kathy" > wrote
>> something like:
>> >OOOoooooo,
>> >548 chocolate offerings..... :-))))))))
>> >
>> >kathy
>>
>> Don't just sit there, buy something ;-)
>> You know you need it.
>> Lots of these stores have free shipping.
>> If you like chocolate, read about "MochaTonixT - the fat-burning,
>> energy-enhancing brain booster that can help you think and feel your
>> very best."
>> A search on "pond filter" is very informative, also.
>> --
>> Crashj
>
>OK, now you've tempted me. Post the link again would you please?
>
sure:
http:/www.GoNowShop.com

You might start with the portal virtual tour button at the top.
Enjoy.
<;(^=< go fish
--
Crashj