Lets talk UV sterilizers!!!!!!

[perkinskr]

Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
Ken

[Billy]

"perkinskr" > wrote in message
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| Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
| Ken
|

I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in
addition to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that
*might* happen to pop up.

billy

[Todd Nicholson]

I use one on my fish only tank. No complaints. I'm not sure that I'd use
it on a reef tank though.

-Todd

"Billy" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> "perkinskr" > wrote in message
> news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
> | Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
> | Ken
> |
>
> I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in
> addition to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that
> *might* happen to pop up.
>
> billy
>
>

[CapFusion]

"perkinskr" > wrote in message
news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
> Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
> Ken
>

As Billy general stated, UV will kill any good / bad floating bacteria that
come in contact. It really depend on your view and regarding about what you
are trying to complish. In Reef type of setup, you normally do not need to
have UV device. Fish or any inhabitant of your tank should be able to
handling if if in a good health and the environment it in.

UV is like using antibiotic

CapFusion,...

[Steve]

Billy wrote:
> "perkinskr" > wrote in message
> news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
> | Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
> | Ken
> |
>
> I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in
> addition to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that
> *might* happen to pop up.
>
> billy
>
>
Hey,

With that being said: Do you think a UV would do good treating tap
water (along maybe with RO/DI) for top ups and water changes? I am
thinking of an RO/DI for drinking water and tank related water. Would a
UV be benificial in any way?

S.

--


--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.

[Ray Martini]

UV or no UV you should have an RO/DI unit for your tanks. Never use tap
water in a reef or FO tank.

I caught a great deal on Ebay for a 60gpd Kent Marine for $80 and the
filters and membrane were in great shape. I've also seen a couple of unknown
name units on Ebay for real short ching. That was going to be my buy when I
saw the Kent but that was pure luck.

"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> Billy wrote:
>> "perkinskr" > wrote in message
>> news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
>> | Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
>> | Ken
>> |
>>
>> I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in addition
>> to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that *might* happen to
>> pop up.
>>
>> billy
> Hey,
>
> With that being said: Do you think a UV would do good treating tap water
> (along maybe with RO/DI) for top ups and water changes? I am thinking of
> an RO/DI for drinking water and tank related water. Would a UV be
> benificial in any way?
>
> S.
>
> --
>
>
> --> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>

[Steve]

Ray Martini wrote:
> UV or no UV you should have an RO/DI unit for your tanks. Never use tap
> water in a reef or FO tank.
>
> I caught a great deal on Ebay for a 60gpd Kent Marine for $80 and the
> filters and membrane were in great shape. I've also seen a couple of unknown
> name units on Ebay for real short ching. That was going to be my buy when I
> saw the Kent but that was pure luck.
>
> "Steve" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Billy wrote:
>>
>>>"perkinskr" > wrote in message
>>>news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
>>>| Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
>>>| Ken
>>>|
>>>
>>>I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in addition
>>>to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that *might* happen to
>>>pop up.
>>>
>>>billy
>>
>>Hey,
>>
>>With that being said: Do you think a UV would do good treating tap water
>>(along maybe with RO/DI) for top ups and water changes? I am thinking of
>>an RO/DI for drinking water and tank related water. Would a UV be
>>benificial in any way?
>>
>>S.
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>>
>
>
>
Hey,

Yep, I have been realizing the problems with using tap water. I have
a little more algae than I want and have been trying out small changes
to get rid of it. My next step is an RO/DI unit, but I do want it for
drinking to! My LFS has one for $149 (CAD), but I think I am going to
spend the $$$ and get a really good one with a faucet that can be
mounted by my kitchen tap.

So, would a UV help any on top of RO/DI, or is it fairly pointless?

S.

--


--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.

[Ray Martini]

I'd say fairly pointless. RO/DI is something lik 98-99% pure.



"Steve" > wrote in message
...
> Ray Martini wrote:
>> UV or no UV you should have an RO/DI unit for your tanks. Never use tap
>> water in a reef or FO tank.
>>
>> I caught a great deal on Ebay for a 60gpd Kent Marine for $80 and the
>> filters and membrane were in great shape. I've also seen a couple of
>> unknown name units on Ebay for real short ching. That was going to be my
>> buy when I saw the Kent but that was pure luck.
>>
>> "Steve" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Billy wrote:
>>>
>>>>"perkinskr" > wrote in message
>>>>news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
>>>>| Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
>>>>| Ken
>>>>|
>>>>
>>>>I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in
>>>>addition to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that *might*
>>>>happen to pop up.
>>>>
>>>>billy
>>>
>>>Hey,
>>>
>>>With that being said: Do you think a UV would do good treating tap water
>>>(along maybe with RO/DI) for top ups and water changes? I am thinking of
>>>an RO/DI for drinking water and tank related water. Would a UV be
>>>benificial in any way?
>>>
>>>S.
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>>
>>>--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> Hey,
>
> Yep, I have been realizing the problems with using tap water. I have a
> little more algae than I want and have been trying out small changes to
> get rid of it. My next step is an RO/DI unit, but I do want it for
> drinking to! My LFS has one for $149 (CAD), but I think I am going to
> spend the $$$ and get a really good one with a faucet that can be mounted
> by my kitchen tap.
>
> So, would a UV help any on top of RO/DI, or is it fairly pointless?
>
> S.
>
> --
>
>
> --> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>

[Steve]

Ray Martini wrote:
> I'd say fairly pointless. RO/DI is something lik 98-99% pure.
>
>
>
> "Steve" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Ray Martini wrote:
>>
>>>UV or no UV you should have an RO/DI unit for your tanks. Never use tap
>>>water in a reef or FO tank.
>>>
>>>I caught a great deal on Ebay for a 60gpd Kent Marine for $80 and the
>>>filters and membrane were in great shape. I've also seen a couple of
>>>unknown name units on Ebay for real short ching. That was going to be my
>>>buy when I saw the Kent but that was pure luck.
>>>
>>>"Steve" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Billy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"perkinskr" > wrote in message
>>>>>news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
>>>>>| Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
>>>>>| Ken
>>>>>|
>>>>>
>>>>>I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in
>>>>>addition to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that *might*
>>>>>happen to pop up.
>>>>>
>>>>>billy
>>>>
>>>>Hey,
>>>>
>>>>With that being said: Do you think a UV would do good treating tap water
>>>>(along maybe with RO/DI) for top ups and water changes? I am thinking of
>>>>an RO/DI for drinking water and tank related water. Would a UV be
>>>>benificial in any way?
>>>>
>>>>S.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Hey,
>>
>>Yep, I have been realizing the problems with using tap water. I have a
>>little more algae than I want and have been trying out small changes to
>>get rid of it. My next step is an RO/DI unit, but I do want it for
>>drinking to! My LFS has one for $149 (CAD), but I think I am going to
>>spend the $$$ and get a really good one with a faucet that can be mounted
>>by my kitchen tap.
>>
>>So, would a UV help any on top of RO/DI, or is it fairly pointless?
>>
>>S.
>>
>>--
>>
>>
>>--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>>
>
>
>
Ah, cool and good to know. Kind of figured, but thought I would ask
people that would know much better than me! Thanks!

S.

--


--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.

[Rich R]

I turn on my UV for two hours a day in a mixed tank,Fish and Rock. Little
rock ,,, little fish! I think it clears the water

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"Ray Martini" > wrote in message
...
> I'd say fairly pointless. RO/DI is something lik 98-99% pure.
>
>
>
> "Steve" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Ray Martini wrote:
>>> UV or no UV you should have an RO/DI unit for your tanks. Never use tap
>>> water in a reef or FO tank.
>>>
>>> I caught a great deal on Ebay for a 60gpd Kent Marine for $80 and the
>>> filters and membrane were in great shape. I've also seen a couple of
>>> unknown name units on Ebay for real short ching. That was going to be my
>>> buy when I saw the Kent but that was pure luck.
>>>
>>> "Steve" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>Billy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"perkinskr" > wrote in message
>>>>>news:pNoTd.9316$7z6.7960@lakeread04...
>>>>>| Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?
>>>>>| Ken
>>>>>|
>>>>>
>>>>>I firmly believe that the UV will kill organisms that I want, in
>>>>>addition to *perhaps* killing organisms that I don't want that *might*
>>>>>happen to pop up.
>>>>>
>>>>>billy
>>>>
>>>>Hey,
>>>>
>>>>With that being said: Do you think a UV would do good treating tap
>>>>water (along maybe with RO/DI) for top ups and water changes? I am
>>>>thinking of an RO/DI for drinking water and tank related water. Would a
>>>>UV be benificial in any way?
>>>>
>>>>S.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> Yep, I have been realizing the problems with using tap water. I have a
>> little more algae than I want and have been trying out small changes to
>> get rid of it. My next step is an RO/DI unit, but I do want it for
>> drinking to! My LFS has one for $149 (CAD), but I think I am going to
>> spend the $$$ and get a really good one with a faucet that can be mounted
>> by my kitchen tap.
>>
>> So, would a UV help any on top of RO/DI, or is it fairly pointless?
>>
>> S.
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>> --> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.
>>
>
>

[Steve]

Rich R wrote:
> I turn on my UV for two hours a day in a mixed tank,Fish and Rock. Little
> rock ,,, little fish! I think it clears the water
>
To clear the water eh? interesting. I use a bag of activated carbon in
there for a few days. Seems to clear things up pretty good, and it is
cheap to! I think I will only get an RO/DI, seems to make the most
sense to me. UV may be overkill!

S.

--


--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.

[perkinskr]

Let me ask a few questions.....
I have RO/DI, and I have good water parameters on everything. Now is it true
that sensitive like powder browns and blues can get ich at the least little
thing. water change, new tank mate, increase/decrease in temp,etc...
Also what about being a carrier? Real resilant fish ie. damsels, clown
fish, any hardy fish that does ok in less than perfect water. That fish
could be a carrier of a disease, or a parasite and not show any signs of it.
You buy the animal and bring it home and add him to your display. Now your
favorite fish (in my case a powder brown) has ich. I know UV kills good amd
bad bacteria soley in the water collum. Now the bad definatly outweighs the
bad in my opinion. So anyway what about putting one in a high flow great
quality one. use it for virgin tanks 24/7 use it a few days 2-3 before any
new additions and continue to run it abot 6-7 days after any new additions.
Should be long enough to see any potential signs of ich or other diseases.
then turn off light and just use it for extra flow.?
Does any of this make even the slightest bit of sense?
Ken

[Rich R]

So your saying to go with the UV?
I only use it becouse I like my fish to stay free of ich
and other problems and yes the water does get clear
when you run a UV and I still use carbon to!!
Lets face it we are all people that like to tinker
thats what gets us into this hobbie,
so keep looking and I guess you will make up your own mind!

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"perkinskr" > wrote in message
news:4dlUd.23588$7z6.18414@lakeread04...
> Let me ask a few questions.....
> I have RO/DI, and I have good water parameters on everything. Now is it
> true that sensitive like powder browns and blues can get ich at the least
> little thing. water change, new tank mate, increase/decrease in
> temp,etc...
> Also what about being a carrier? Real resilant fish ie. damsels, clown
> fish, any hardy fish that does ok in less than perfect water. That fish
> could be a carrier of a disease, or a parasite and not show any signs of
> it. You buy the animal and bring it home and add him to your display. Now
> your favorite fish (in my case a powder brown) has ich. I know UV kills
> good amd bad bacteria soley in the water collum. Now the bad definatly
> outweighs the bad in my opinion. So anyway what about putting one in a
> high flow great quality one. use it for virgin tanks 24/7 use it a few
> days 2-3 before any new additions and continue to run it abot 6-7 days
> after any new additions. Should be long enough to see any potential signs
> of ich or other diseases. then turn off light and just use it for extra
> flow.?
> Does any of this make even the slightest bit of sense?
> Ken
>
>

[unclenorm]

Hi Steve,
Most plants that produce RO/DI water for sale use a UV
filter as the final process in the line before bottling, it kills micro
bacteria which pass through the RO/DI unit. In most places it is a
health and safety requirement, ( we have such a business in the family
).
So my advice would be yes a good thing before the
water reaches your tank or your drinking glass. however I would not use
or recommend the use of one on the water in the tank it will kill more
of the beneficial things in the tank water than the none beneficial, it
cannot discriminate.
regards,
unclenorm.

[unclenorm]

Hi Ken,
Ich is normally a secondary problem not primary, fish that
catch ich are usualy stressed for some reason or other, more often than
not through less than ideal water conditions, or being harassed by
other tank inhabitants. For a UV unit to be effective it must have a
fairly low water flow or must be very long, I don't think a UV unit
would have much effect against ich but I'm not sure. A UV unit is not a
filter, it just zaps every thing that passes slowly through it with
ultraviolet radiation, anything that it kills is left in the water
column to be dealt with by whatever filtration you are using on your
tank.
In my experience the best cure for ich in a marine set up
is temperature increase along with hypo salinity administered in a
quarantine tank.
regards,
unclenorm.

[Steve]

unclenorm wrote:
> Hi Steve,
> Most plants that produce RO/DI water for sale use a UV
> filter as the final process in the line before bottling, it kills micro
> bacteria which pass through the RO/DI unit. In most places it is a
> health and safety requirement, ( we have such a business in the family
> ).
> So my advice would be yes a good thing before the
> water reaches your tank or your drinking glass. however I would not use
> or recommend the use of one on the water in the tank it will kill more
> of the beneficial things in the tank water than the none beneficial, it
> cannot discriminate.
> regards,
> unclenorm.
>
Hey,

Well that is an interesting tidbit to know for sure. From what I have
read of bottled water, the 'labeling' is not quite that intuitive. From
your statement 'however I would not use
> or recommend the use...' I just want to clarify that this is the UV
your are talking about. This is what I gathered from other posts in
this thread as well, don't use a UV on your tank-only on the water you
are topping off with/water changing. Correct?

S.

--


--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.

[CapFusion]

"perkinskr" > wrote in message
news:4dlUd.23588$7z6.18414@lakeread04...
> Let me ask a few questions.....
> I have RO/DI, and I have good water parameters on everything. Now is it
> true that sensitive like powder browns and blues can get ich at the least
> little thing. water change, new tank mate, increase/decrease in
> temp,etc...
> Also what about being a carrier? Real resilant fish ie. damsels, clown
> fish, any hardy fish that does ok in less than perfect water. That fish
> could be a carrier of a disease, or a parasite and not show any signs of
> it. You buy the animal and bring it home and add him to your display. Now
> your favorite fish (in my case a powder brown) has ich. I know UV kills
> good amd bad bacteria soley in the water collum. Now the bad definatly
> outweighs the bad in my opinion. So anyway what about putting one in a
> high flow great quality one. use it for virgin tanks 24/7 use it a few
> days 2-3 before any new additions and continue to run it abot 6-7 days
> after any new additions. Should be long enough to see any potential signs
> of ich or other diseases. then turn off light and just use it for extra
> flow.?
> Does any of this make even the slightest bit of sense?
> Ken
>

You can not really get rid of ich with UV or by anything else. All it does
are to reduce. UV will be most effective if it have long contact. The longer
it in contact with UV the more it will reduce.

To prevent ich or any infect any disease are to quarantine your fish. Have
your fish accliamate slowly to your tank environment. Adding new LR or
orament and such can cause disease out break. Every living thing are host of
something. When the body are stress, disease normally can overcome the host
defense system.

CapFusuion,...

[unclenorm]

Hi Steve;
Yes that is what I'm saying.
regards,
unclenorm.

[CapFusion]

"unclenorm" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hi Steve;
> Yes that is what I'm saying.
> regards,
> unclenorm.

unclenorm, can you include the comment to your reply?
It would make alot easier for those that follow the thread and without
search back.
TIA....

CapFusion,...

[Steve]

unclenorm wrote:
> Hi Steve;
> Yes that is what I'm saying.
> regards,
> unclenorm.
>
Hey,

Thanks, figured that was right! Just to mention: I do agree with
CapFusion in including the original post and <snipping> where
applicable. It keeps the flow of the threads and makes it much easier
to read. When doing this, always post below! Thanks again!

S.

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--> GNU/Linux is user friendly... it's just picky about its friends.

[George Patterson]

perkinskr wrote:
>
> Who has one? who likes them? who hates them?why?why?why?why?

I have two on my FO tank. I find I have fewer problems with them running than
not. Had one on my tank since the 70s and two since about 1990.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.

[George Patterson]

Steve wrote:
>
> With that being said: Do you think a UV would do good treating tap
> water (along maybe with RO/DI) for top ups and water changes?

I doubt it would do anything. Most tap water is pretty clean, as far as bacteria
and parasites goes.

George Patterson
I prefer Heaven for climate but Hell for company.